• OT: Grey lines in LibreOffice Writer

    From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 19 16:27:45 2023
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer,
    grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't
    want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Wed Apr 19 13:22:07 2023
    On 4/19/2023 10:27 AM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer, grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta

    Is the email an HTML email ?

    I would think a vanilla text would behave as a vanilla text.

    Whereas the HTML in an HTML email, can be composed by "evil"
    composition tools. Perhaps I could start with Seamonkey Composer,
    make some fancy material, paste it into an email tool and send it.
    Then the recipient will have a mess to clean up.

    Texts which are "micro-positioned" exist as single characters
    in a tool. It is hard to convince any subsequent tool, to
    "do the right thing" and put all the characters back into a full string.

    M y d o g h a s f l e a s ===> My dog has fleas # Hard to fix when characters
    # are separately packaged...

    The copy/paste buffer can have multiple representations in it.
    The HTML version could be thick with material, including
    the usage of tables to "force" a particular format or style.

    When even I have mild problems with copy/pasta, I might
    use Notepad as an intermediary.

    email ---> Notepad window ------------> LibreOffice Writer window
    copy paste, reselect, copy paste

    You might be able to cause the copy/paste buffer to "drop" the undesired format.

    You can print to PDF, wipe over text, then paste.
    No, that does not fix a "fleas" problem.

    You can print to PDF, then open the PDF in LibreOffice. If
    you open in Draw for example, the result would be useless.
    If Writer will open a PDF, perhaps the PDF does not have the
    table information that originated in the source tool.

    Finally, there are copy buffer manipulation tools for Windows, which
    can show you the available representations, and you can
    select one that way, without using Notepad as described above.

    https://techpp.com/2022/02/10/best-clipboard-managers-for-windows/

    If you're a power user, Powershell has Get-Clipboard .

    https://www.pdq.com/powershell/get-clipboard/

    get-clipboard

    Without even getting fancy, she may be able to get the text
    out of the Terminal window, with a single command. Without
    parameters, you get the text.

    Paul

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what Fokke Nauta on Wed Apr 19 16:18:03 2023
    On 4/19/23 10:27, this is what Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer, grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in
    MS Word. She doesn't want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta
    Right click -> paste special -> unformatted text.
    That will remove all html etc coding. Might fix the issue.
    --
    Al

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  • From Brian Gregory@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Wed Apr 19 21:33:55 2023
    On 19/04/2023 15:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer,
    grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't
    want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta

    My guess is she will find they go away if she goes to the "View" menu
    and disables "Table Boundaries".

    However if that is what they are, she doesn't need to disable them
    because they are only there to help you position yourself in the
    document when editing it. They do not show if you print it out or if you convert it to a PDF for distribution.

    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Big Al on Thu Apr 20 09:41:50 2023
    On 19/04/2023 22:18, Big Al wrote:
    On 4/19/23 10:27, this is what Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I
    recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer,
    grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't
    want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta
    Right click -> paste special -> unformatted text.
    That will remove all html etc coding.   Might fix the issue.


    Thanks. I will tell her.

    Fokke

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Brian Gregory on Thu Apr 20 09:45:56 2023
    On 19/04/2023 22:33, Brian Gregory wrote:
    On 19/04/2023 15:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I
    recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer,
    grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't
    want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta

    My guess is she will find they go away if she goes to the "View" menu
    and disables "Table Boundaries".

    However if that is what they are, she doesn't need to disable them
    because they are only there to help you position yourself in the
    document when editing it. They do not show if you print it out or if you convert it to a PDF for distribution.


    Thanks. That worked. I will tell her.

    Fokke

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Paul on Thu Apr 20 09:40:52 2023
    On 19/04/2023 19:22, Paul wrote:
    On 4/19/2023 10:27 AM, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I
    recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer,
    grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't
    want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta

    Is the email an HTML email ?

    She is using hotmail from her browser.

    I would think a vanilla text would behave as a vanilla text.

    What does it mean, vanilla text?

    Whereas the HTML in an HTML email, can be composed by "evil"
    composition tools. Perhaps I could start with Seamonkey Composer,
    make some fancy material, paste it into an email tool and send it.
    Then the recipient will have a mess to clean up.

    Texts which are "micro-positioned" exist as single characters
    in a tool. It is hard to convince any subsequent tool, to
    "do the right thing" and put all the characters back into a full string.

        M y  d o g  h a s  f l e a s   ===>   My dog has fleas       # Hard
    to fix when characters
                                                                     # are
    separately packaged...

    The copy/paste buffer can have multiple representations in it.
    The HTML version could be thick with material, including
    the usage of tables to "force" a particular format or style.

    When even I have mild problems with copy/pasta, I might
    use Notepad as an intermediary.

    So do I sometimes.

        email ---> Notepad window ------------> LibreOffice Writer window
        copy       paste, reselect, copy        paste

    You might be able to cause the copy/paste buffer to "drop" the undesired format.

    You can print to PDF, wipe over text, then paste.
    No, that does not fix a "fleas" problem.

    You can print to PDF, then open the PDF in LibreOffice. If
    you open in Draw for example, the result would be useless.
    If Writer will open a PDF, perhaps the PDF does not have the
    table information that originated in the source tool.

    Finally, there are copy buffer manipulation tools for Windows, which
    can show you the available representations, and you can
    select one that way, without using Notepad as described above.

       https://techpp.com/2022/02/10/best-clipboard-managers-for-windows/

    If you're a power user, Powershell has Get-Clipboard .

       https://www.pdq.com/powershell/get-clipboard/

          get-clipboard

    Without even getting fancy, she may be able to get the text
    out of the Terminal window, with a single command. Without
    parameters, you get the text.

       Paul

    Thanks, but I think this is all too complicated for her.
    But perhaps copying first to notepad may do the trick.

    Fokke

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Thu Apr 20 10:36:23 2023
    Fokke Nauta wrote:

    Paul wrote:

    Is the email an HTML email ?

    She is using hotmail from her browser.

    Ah, so she's actually copying html content from a web browser, not
    copying from an actual email program

    I would think a vanilla text would behave as a vanilla text.

    What does it mean, vanilla text?

    plain text, not html

    I'll stick with my original suggestion, paste using ctrl-alt-shift-v
    Big Al's suggestion is the mouse equivalent

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Apr 20 13:23:46 2023
    On 20/04/2023 11:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:

    Paul wrote:

    Is the email an HTML email ?

    She is using hotmail from her browser.

    Ah, so she's actually copying html content from a web browser, not
    copying from an actual email program

    Yes, that's correct.
    But she sent her mail to me, and I copied the text from my mail program (Thunderbird) to my LibreOffice Writer. The same result, grey lines.

    I would think a vanilla text would behave as a vanilla text.

    What does it mean, vanilla text?

    plain text, not html

    Thanks. Learned something again.

    I'll stick with my original suggestion, paste using ctrl-alt-shift-v
    Big Al's suggestion is the mouse equivalent

    I wasn't aware of this, but it's really good to know!

    Fokke

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Thu Apr 20 08:01:18 2023
    "Fokke Nauta" <usenet@solfon.nl> wrote

    | Thanks, but I think this is all too complicated for her.
    | But perhaps copying first to notepad may do the trick.
    |

    I also do that quite a bit. The Clipboard can hold numerous
    formats. By pasting to Notepad you filter out all but plain
    text. I regularly do the same when copying from something
    like a RichEdit window into an email. I'm composing email
    as plain text, but the formatting still gets messed up if I
    don't filter it through Notepad, showing that there's some
    bleed-through between formats.

    You could also have her switch to plain text email,
    which is safer, but I'm guessing she'd need an actual email
    program for that.

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 20 16:14:41 2023
    On 20/04/2023 14:01, Newyana2 wrote:
    "Fokke Nauta" <usenet@solfon.nl> wrote

    | Thanks, but I think this is all too complicated for her.
    | But perhaps copying first to notepad may do the trick.
    |

    I also do that quite a bit. The Clipboard can hold numerous
    formats. By pasting to Notepad you filter out all but plain
    text. I regularly do the same when copying from something
    like a RichEdit window into an email. I'm composing email
    as plain text, but the formatting still gets messed up if I
    don't filter it through Notepad, showing that there's some
    bleed-through between formats.

    You could also have her switch to plain text email,
    which is safer, but I'm guessing she'd need an actual email
    program for that.

    That's true. She is using Hotmail in her browser.

    Fokke

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  • From Herbert Kleebauer@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Thu Apr 20 16:56:40 2023
    On 20.04.2023 09:41, Fokke Nauta wrote:

    Fokke Nauta
    Right click -> paste special -> unformatted text.
    That will remove all html etc coding.   Might fix the issue.


    Thanks. I will tell her.

    From the LibreOffice help:

    Paste Unformatted Text
    Paste only the text contents, without any formatting.

    Choose Edit - Paste Special - Paste Unformatted Text.

    Right-click to open the context menu and choose Paste Special - Unformatted Text.

    Ctrl + Alt + Shift + V.

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  • From Unsteadyken@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 20 15:50:44 2023
    In article <kac8k3FjqffU1@mid.individual.net>,

    Fokke Nauta says...

    But perhaps copying first to notepad may do the trick.


    PureText is a tiny tray utility that removes all text formatting from
    your clipboard and optionally pastes the resulting pure text to the
    active window with a single hotkey.

    http://stevemiller.net/PureText/

    It has been a fixture on my computers for years, recommended

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Unsteadyken on Thu Apr 20 22:59:59 2023
    On 20/04/2023 16:50, Unsteadyken wrote:
    In article <kac8k3FjqffU1@mid.individual.net>,

    Fokke Nauta says...

    But perhaps copying first to notepad may do the trick.


    PureText is a tiny tray utility that removes all text formatting from
    your clipboard and optionally pastes the resulting pure text to the
    active window with a single hotkey.

    http://stevemiller.net/PureText/

    It has been a fixture on my computers for years, recommended


    Thanks!
    This is a very good idea and utility.
    I'm gonna try it.

    Fokke

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Herbert Kleebauer on Thu Apr 20 23:00:55 2023
    On 20/04/2023 16:56, Herbert Kleebauer wrote:
    On 20.04.2023 09:41, Fokke Nauta wrote:

    Fokke Nauta
    Right click -> paste special -> unformatted text.
    That will remove all html etc coding.   Might fix the issue.


    Thanks. I will tell her.

    From the LibreOffice help:

    Paste Unformatted Text
    Paste only the text contents, without any formatting.

    Choose Edit - Paste Special - Paste Unformatted Text.

    Right-click to open the context menu and choose Paste Special -
    Unformatted Text.

    Ctrl + Alt + Shift + V.


    Thanks.

    Fokke

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Thu Apr 20 23:19:17 2023
    On 2023-04-20 13:23, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    On 20/04/2023 11:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    Fokke Nauta wrote:

    Paul wrote:

    Is the email an HTML email ?

    She is using hotmail from her browser.

    Ah, so she's actually copying html content from a web browser, not
    copying from an actual email program

    Yes, that's correct.
    But she sent her mail to me, and I copied the text from my mail program (Thunderbird) to my LibreOffice Writer. The same result, grey lines.

    Because Thunderbird also displays the html post unless you configure it
    to display plain text.

    You can copy-paste as plain text, but then of course all formatting is lost.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Thu Apr 20 19:56:16 2023
    On 4/19/23 07:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer,
    grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't
    want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta


    I am a little late to this, sorry. It may have
    already been answered.

    When pasting from eMail to Writer, do a
    <shift><ctrl><<V>
    and select plain text.

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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to Fokke Nauta on Fri Apr 21 09:52:11 2023
    On 19/04/2023 16:27, Fokke Nauta wrote:
    Hi all,

    A friend of mine is using LibreOffice Writer on her desktop. I recently installed the most recent version.
    It works fine, but when she copies text from her e-mail into Writer,
    grey lines appear which look a bit like tables in MS Word. She doesn't
    want this. How can she get rid of those lines?
    Many thanks in advance.

    Fokke Nauta

    The problem has been solved.
    Many thanks for your help, also behalf of my friend.

    Fokke

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