https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
The software vendor has for months been playing around with putting
ads – or at least in the case of the Start Menu, notifications – about >its services in the operating system as well as the Bing search
engine, PCs, and other products.
carly wrote:
The software vendor has for months been playing around with putting
ads – or at least in the case of the Start Menu, notifications
I realize that there have been reports of things like this for a
while, now, but for some reason I never see it on my machine.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu, I've never
seen any such ads.
the ads for Microsoft 365 in Settings/System are an annoyance.
No ads on my Start menu yet (W11 Home 22H2 22621.1555)
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
On 4/17/2023 4:02 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu, I've never
seen any such ads.
No ads on my Start menu yet (W11 Home 22H2 22621.1555)
the ads for Microsoft 365 in Settings/System are an annoyance.
I've got that MS365 ad in Settings/System. And a much bigger one in Settings/Accounts...
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
Christ, I can't imagine using 11 Home, having to put up with this BS.
People buying OEM devices just have it so shitty, compared to me,
having a self-assembled desktop, with the generic, retail Windows Pro.
On 18/04/2023 13:47, Joel wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
Christ, I can't imagine using 11 Home, having to put up with this BS. People buying OEM devices just have it so shitty, compared to me,
having a self-assembled desktop, with the generic, retail Windows Pro.
I have a brand new laptop which came with Windows 11 Home and have not
seen any of this.
However, my priority actions were installing Open-Shell and going
through a vast list of Microsoft, Windows or Edge settings to turn off everything that looks dodgy or non-essential.
MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
On 18/04/2023 13:47, Joel wrote:
I have a brand new laptop which came with Windows 11 Home and have not
Christ, I can't imagine using 11 Home, having to put up with this BS.
People buying OEM devices just have it so shitty, compared to me,
having a self-assembled desktop, with the generic, retail Windows Pro.
seen any of this.
Same here (was brand new eight months ago). So, despite what Joel
thinks/claims, having or not having these ads has probably nothing to do
with having OEM Windows versus retail, nor with having Home versus Pro.
On 18/04/2023 13:47, Joel wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
Christ, I can't imagine using 11 Home, having to put up with this BS. People buying OEM devices just have it so shitty, compared to me,
having a self-assembled desktop, with the generic, retail Windows Pro.
I have a brand new laptop which came with Windows 11 Home and have not
seen any of this.
However, my priority actions were installing Open-Shell and going
through a vast list of Microsoft, Windows or Edge settings to turn off everything that looks dodgy or non-essential.
I unticked all the nasty bits when setting up Windows and -
of course - have a local account instead of a Microsoft Account.
I'm taking delivery of my new laptop with Win 11 home tomorrow, as it >happens.
<https://www.costco.com/LG-Gram-15.6%22-Touchscreen-Laptop---12th- >Gen-Intel-i7-1260P---1080p---Windows-11.product.1665479.html>
A litle bit of sticker shock at $1099, but eight years ago I paid
$700 for a 13-inch screen, only 8 GB ram and 512 GB SSD, no
touchscreen, no backlit keyboard, so this upgrade seems like it's
worth the price. (It would be better if I could claim the $300 trade-
in allowance, but that is limited to laptops under 5 years old.)
On 4/18/2023 12:02 AM, AJL wrote:
On 4/17/2023 4:02 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu, I've never
seen any such ads.
No ads on my Start menu yet (W11 Home 22H2 22621.1555)
the ads for Microsoft 365 in Settings/System are an annoyance.
I've got that MS365 ad in Settings/System. And a much bigger one in Settings/Accounts...
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
Paul
MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
On 18/04/2023 13:47, Joel wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:I have a brand new laptop which came with Windows 11 Home and have not
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
Christ, I can't imagine using 11 Home, having to put up with this BS.
People buying OEM devices just have it so shitty, compared to me,
having a self-assembled desktop, with the generic, retail Windows Pro.
seen any of this.
Same here (was brand new eight months ago). So, despite what Joel thinks/claims, having or not having these ads has probably nothing to do
with having OEM Windows versus retail, nor with having Home versus Pro.
However, my priority actions were installing Open-Shell and going
through a vast list of Microsoft, Windows or Edge settings to turn off
everything that looks dodgy or non-essential.
Same here. I unticked all the nasty bits when setting up Windows and -
of course - have a local account instead of a Microsoft Account.
BTW, what is "Edge"!? :-)
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 14:11:16 +0100, MikeS wrote:
On 18/04/2023 13:47, Joel wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:I have a brand new laptop which came with Windows 11 Home and have not
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
Christ, I can't imagine using 11 Home, having to put up with this BS.
People buying OEM devices just have it so shitty, compared to me,
having a self-assembled desktop, with the generic, retail Windows Pro.
seen any of this.
However, my priority actions were installing Open-Shell and going
through a vast list of Microsoft, Windows or Edge settings to turn off
everything that looks dodgy or non-essential.
Care to share where you found that "vast list"?
I'm taking delivery of my new laptop with Win 11 home tomorrow, as it happens.
<https://www.costco.com/LG-Gram-15.6%22-Touchscreen-Laptop---12th- Gen-Intel-i7-1260P---1080p---Windows-11.product.1665479.html>
A litle bit of sticker shock at $1099, but eight years ago I paid
$700 for a 13-inch screen, only 8 GB ram and 512 GB SSD, no
touchscreen, no backlit keyboard, so this upgrade seems like it's
worth the price. (It would be better if I could claim the $300 trade-
in allowance, but that is limited to laptops under 5 years old.)
On 18/04/2023 14:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Its the Microsoft browser which I actually prefer (can hear the gasps of >horror from here!)
BTW, what is "Edge"!? :-)
On 4/17/2023 4:02 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu, I've never
seen any such ads.
No ads on my Start menu yet (W11 Home 22H2 22621.1555)
the ads for Microsoft 365 in Settings/System are an annoyance.
I've got that MS365 ad in Settings/System. And a much bigger one in >Settings/Accounts...
AJL wrote:
No ads on my Start menu yet (W11 Home 22H2 22621.1555)
Apparently they're calling them "badges" rather than "ads", and so far >they're only in insider builds ...
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu, I've never
seen any such ads.
But I did, that would be a big incentive to switch to Start11.
It's a small ad, so it isn't terrible, but the ads for Microsoft 365
in Settings/System are an annoyance.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:37:07 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
AJL wrote:
No ads on my Start menu yet (W11 Home 22H2 22621.1555)
Apparently they're calling them "badges" rather than "ads", and so far >>they're only in insider builds ...
Calling a leg a tail doesn't make it one.
On 18/04/2023 14:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:Its the Microsoft browser which I actually prefer (can hear the gasps of >horror from here!)
On 18/04/2023 13:47, Joel wrote:
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:I have a brand new laptop which came with Windows 11 Home and have not
[Picture] Settings/Accounts 22621.1555 W11 Home
https://i.postimg.cc/0Q0pNrk3/such-effective-advertising.gif
Christ, I can't imagine using 11 Home, having to put up with this BS.
People buying OEM devices just have it so shitty, compared to me,
having a self-assembled desktop, with the generic, retail Windows Pro. >>>>
seen any of this.
Same here (was brand new eight months ago). So, despite what Joel
thinks/claims, having or not having these ads has probably nothing to do
with having OEM Windows versus retail, nor with having Home versus Pro.
However, my priority actions were installing Open-Shell and going
through a vast list of Microsoft, Windows or Edge settings to turn off
everything that looks dodgy or non-essential.
Same here. I unticked all the nasty bits when setting up Windows and -
of course - have a local account instead of a Microsoft Account.
BTW, what is "Edge"!? :-)
MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
On 18/04/2023 14:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Its the Microsoft browser which I actually prefer (can hear the gasps of >>horror from here!)
BTW, what is "Edge"!? :-)
There's nothing really wrong with it, it's just a Chromium-based
browser by Microsoft. I prefer Firefox, and I use Google's own Chrome >browser as a secondary one, but Edge is perfectly fine to use, if you
like it.
Edge is my backup browser and still the
primary handler for some file/link types.
Ken Blake wrote on 4/17/2023 4:02 PM:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org wrote:Start11 presence has no bearing on deploying ads.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu, I've never
seen any such ads.
But I did, that would be a big incentive to switch to Start11.
It's a small ad, so it isn't terrible, but the ads for Microsoft 365
in Settings/System are an annoyance.
The ads are targeted for OneDrive and M365(both cloud based or cloud >integration, syncable applications/apps)
I prefer Firefox, and I use Google's own Chrome
browser as a secondary one, but Edge is perfectly fine to use, if you
like it.
I agree with almost everything you say, but I'll just add a quick
comment about my personal preferences:
I think Firefox is the best browser available. I think Edge is the
worst browser available. I think Chrome is next to the worst browser >available.
I don't really have a secondary browser, but occasionally I need a web
page that doesn't work in Firefox, and I reluctantly use Edge instead.
"Personal preferences." We're all different.
On 18/04/2023 14:41, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
BTW, what is "Edge"!? :-)
Its the Microsoft browser which I actually prefer (can hear the gasps of horror from here!)
I agree with almost everything you say, but I'll just add a quick
comment about my personal preferences:
I think Firefox is the best browser available. I think Edge is the
worst browser available. I think Chrome is next to the worst browser available.
I don't really have a secondary browser, but occasionally I need a web
page that doesn't work in Firefox, and I reluctantly use Edge instead.
"Personal preferences." We're all different.
On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 09:52:14 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Blake wrote on 4/17/2023 4:02 PM:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org wrote:Start11 presence has no bearing on deploying ads.
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_start_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting into the
Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and services. If responses on
Reddit is any indication, the response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu, I've never
seen any such ads.
But I did, that would be a big incentive to switch to Start11.
It's a small ad, so it isn't terrible, but the ads for Microsoft 365
in Settings/System are an annoyance.
The ads are targeted for OneDrive and M365(both cloud based or cloud
integration, syncable applications/apps)
I was responding to "ads it's putting into the Windows 11 Start Menu."
Are you saying that ads in the Windows 11 Start Menu are also in the
Start 11 Start Menu? If so, I don't see them here.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Edge is my backup browser and still the
primary handler for some file/link types.
but is that because you chose it to be the default for some things, or
MS made it too difficult for you to use firefox
Most sensible people are using Microsoft Browser. Microsoft and Google
are the two corporations that sets the standard for all things Internet.
The rest will follow like headless chickens.
On 4/18/2023 6:15 PM, ? Good Guy ? wrote:
Most sensible people are using Microsoft Browser. Microsoft and Google
are the two corporations that sets the standard for all things Internet.
The rest will follow like headless chickens.
Edge, and Chrome, are fine implementations of the Chromium base. But >Firefox is really a better "standard for all things Internet", when it
comes to a browser, because it's fully open source, and cross-platform.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 06:18:30 -0400, Joel Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/18/2023 6:15 PM, ? Good Guy ? wrote:
Most sensible people are using Microsoft Browser. Microsoft and Google
are the two corporations that sets the standard for all things Internet. >>> The rest will follow like headless chickens.
Edge, and Chrome, are fine implementations of the Chromium base. But >>Firefox is really a better "standard for all things Internet", when it >>comes to a browser, because it's fully open source, and cross-platform.
We all have different tastes of course, but the main reason I so
greatly dislike Edge and Chrome and greatly prefer Firefox is that as
far as I'm concerned Firefox's UI is *much* better.
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 06:18:30 -0400, Joel Crump <joelcrump@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 4/18/2023 6:15 PM, ? Good Guy ? wrote:
Most sensible people are using Microsoft Browser. Microsoft and Google >>>> are the two corporations that sets the standard for all things Internet. >>>> The rest will follow like headless chickens.
Edge, and Chrome, are fine implementations of the Chromium base. But >>>Firefox is really a better "standard for all things Internet", when it >>>comes to a browser, because it's fully open source, and cross-platform.
We all have different tastes of course, but the main reason I so
greatly dislike Edge and Chrome and greatly prefer Firefox is that as
far as I'm concerned Firefox's UI is *much* better.
Yes, I happen to agree with that, I prefer Firefox for that reason as
well, but the way it universally supports OS platforms, as an open
source project, is its greatest advantage, to my way of thinking and >analyzing.
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org
wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_sta
rt_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting
into the Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and
services. If responses on Reddit is any indication, the
response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu,
I've never seen any such ads.
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote in >news:bojr3i1t23ndsa5v06acj347kesv03skgs@4ax.com:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org
wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_sta
rt_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting
into the Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and
services. If responses on Reddit is any indication, the
response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu,
I've never seen any such ads.
When moving to Windows 10 from 7/XP, right of the bat I went with Classic/OpenShell,
and I bought a couple seats of Start 10. For @ $5, PayPal'd, that's almost free, super
low effort.
I even gave a good 60 or 90 seconds to the intrinsic Win 10 Start Menu to win me
over...sadly, it would never be able to.
I don't understand why MS doesn't just give you
options.
Instead of *replacing* the start menu, why not *add* a start menu style, and >the user can choose which to use.
Yes, I'm resistent to change, when it makes it harder to use. There are two people I
work with that I upgraded from 7 to 10. Both of them just left the stock start menu
there, even though I recommended at least going to OpenShell.
On a work PC, limited s/w titles used, a few desktop icons (a row maybe, not an edge
to edge full screen matrix!) and the start menu most likely rarely gets used.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:54:07 +0000, DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote in
news:bojr3i1t23ndsa5v06acj347kesv03skgs@4ax.com:
On Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:15:36 -0500, carly@midford.org
wrote:
https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/17/microsoft_windows_sta
rt_ads/
Microsoft is looking for user feedback on ads it's putting
into the Windows 11 Start Menu for its products and
services. If responses on Reddit is any indication, the
response hasn't been great.
Since I use Start 11, rather than the built-in Start menu,
I've never seen any such ads.
When moving to Windows 10 from 7/XP, right of the bat I went with Classic/OpenShell,
and I bought a couple seats of Start 10. For @ $5, PayPal'd, that's almost free, super
low effort.
I even gave a good 60 or 90 seconds to the intrinsic Win 10 Start Menu to win me
over...sadly, it would never be able to.
I gave it a lot more than 60-90s seconds. I gave it several weeks, to
learn it, understand it, and evaluate it. I didn't want to make a
hasty decision.
I don't understand why MS doesn't just give you
options.
Because Microsoft always knows what's best, and those of us who don't
agree with them are just stupid.
It's arrogance!
Instead of *replacing* the start menu, why not *add* a start menu style, and >> the user can choose which to use.
Yes, yes, yes! If Microsoft wants to provide something new that it
thinks is better, they should make it an option. They can even make it
the default and have the old way remain as an option. But they should
NEVER take away the old way.
Yes, I'm resistent to change, when it makes it harder to use. There are two people I
work with that I upgraded from 7 to 10. Both of them just left the stock start menu
there, even though I recommended at least going to OpenShell.
I know a lot more than two people who stuck with the new way and
avoided Classic Shell, Start 10 or whatever, despite my
recommendations. That's fine with me. It's their choice, not mine.
On a work PC, limited s/w titles used, a few desktop icons (a row maybe, not an edge
to edge full screen matrix!) and the start menu most likely rarely gets used.
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:54:07 +0000, DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
I don't understand why MS doesn't just give you
options.
Because Microsoft always knows what's best, and those of us who don't
agree with them are just stupid.
It's arrogance!
Ken Blake wrote on 4/19/2023 3:27 PM:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:54:07 +0000, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
I don't understand why MS doesn't just give you
options.
Because Microsoft always knows what's best, and those of us who don't
agree with them are just stupid.
It's arrogance!
It's more in relation to 'who' is the targeted audience
You, I and many others in this group have not been the target audience
for a very long, long time.
You have options - use as is, use Win11 grouping, use something else.
- something else has been the norm for many for decades because
tweakability via 'toys' or 3rd party apps has and stil exists.
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Blake wrote on 4/19/2023 3:27 PM:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:54:07 +0000, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
I don't understand why MS doesn't just give you
options.
Because Microsoft always knows what's best, and those of us who
don't agree with them are just stupid.
It's arrogance!
It's more in relation to 'who' is the targeted audience
You, I and many others in this group have not been the target
audience for a very long, long time.
You have options - use as is, use Win11 grouping, use something else.
- something else has been the norm for many for decades because
tweakability via 'toys' or 3rd party apps has and stil exists.
I think change is good. It's a constant force, in this industry, the
guts of Windows 10 had changed almost completely, during its
existence, I saw how 20H2 ran on my old computer, it was a disaster,
and yet when I first upgraded to Win10, in 2015, it was a breeze.
Win11's changes are something that takes getting used to. So, get
used to it. Deal with it. Learn it. It's the same as it ever was,
every freakin' time Microsoft releases a Windows upgrade, people want
the old look and feel back. Let's just realize that it's meant to
evolve.
I think change is good. It's a constant force, in this industry, the
guts of Windows 10 had changed almost completely, during its
existence, I saw how 20H2 ran on my old computer, it was a disaster,
and yet when I first upgraded to Win10, in 2015, it was a breeze.
Win11's changes are something that takes getting used to. So, get
used to it. Deal with it. Learn it. It's the same as it ever was,
every freakin' time Microsoft releases a Windows upgrade, people want
the old look and feel back. Let's just realize that it's meant to
evolve.
Going from a perfectly good operating system like Windows 7 to the POS
it is today doesn't sound like it's evolving.
If anyone wants to find out what a good operating system really is, try
MX Linux.
https://mxlinux.org/
Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
I think change is good. It's a constant force, in this industry,
the guts of Windows 10 had changed almost completely, during its
existence, I saw how 20H2 ran on my old computer, it was a
disaster, and yet when I first upgraded to Win10, in 2015, it was
a breeze. Win11's changes are something that takes getting used
to. So, get used to it. Deal with it. Learn it. It's the same
as it ever was, every freakin' time Microsoft releases a Windows
upgrade, people want the old look and feel back. Let's just
realize that it's meant to evolve.
Going from a perfectly good operating system like Windows 7 to the
POS it is today doesn't sound like it's evolving.
It's interesting that you invoke Win7, because even that had a heavy footprint, at its release in 2009. Microsoft is always supporting
relatively new hardware, I happened to build a new machine in 2021,
because I had the money from the stimulus payments, so upgrading from
Win10 to 11 made a lot of sense. But even *10*, in recent builds, is
more hardware hungry, than the unchanged "system requirements" really
say.
If anyone wants to find out what a good operating system really is,
try MX Linux.
https://mxlinux.org/
I would certainly recommend GNU/Linux on the desktop, to anyone whose hardware can't run current builds of Windows.
If anyone wants to find out what a good operating system really is,
try MX Linux.
https://mxlinux.org/
I would certainly recommend GNU/Linux on the desktop, to anyone whose
hardware can't run current builds of Windows.
You didn't take the time to look around.
MX-21.3_x64 “ahs”, an “Advanced Hardware Support” release for very >recent hardware, with 6.0 kernel and newer graphics drivers and
firmware. 64 bit only. Works for all users, but especially if you use
AMD Ryzen, AMD Radeon RX graphics, or 9th/10th/11th generation Intel >hardware.
https://mxlinux.org/download-links/
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Blake wrote on 4/19/2023 3:27 PM:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 21:54:07 +0000, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
I don't understand why MS doesn't just give you
options.
Because Microsoft always knows what's best, and those of us who don't
agree with them are just stupid.
It's arrogance!
It's more in relation to 'who' is the targeted audience
You, I and many others in this group have not been the target audience
for a very long, long time.
You have options - use as is, use Win11 grouping, use something else.
- something else has been the norm for many for decades because
tweakability via 'toys' or 3rd party apps has and stil exists.
I think change is good. It's a constant force, in this industry, theBefore this group was added to the servers, 'like the old' started as
guts of Windows 10 had changed almost completely, during its
existence, I saw how 20H2 ran on my old computer, it was a disaster,
and yet when I first upgraded to Win10, in 2015, it was a breeze.
Win11's changes are something that takes getting used to. So, get
used to it. Deal with it. Learn it. It's the same as it ever was,
every freakin' time Microsoft releases a Windows upgrade, people want
the old look and feel back. Let's just realize that it's meant to
evolve.
The 'like the old' mentality occurs with the release of every new o/s.
Going from a perfectly good operating system like Windows 7 to the POS
it is today doesn't sound like it's evolving.
If anyone wants to find out what a good operating system really is, try
MX Linux.
https://mxlinux.org/
Windows 7 is the last version of Windows which was usable without
tweaks.
I think change is good.
I even put up my own web page of fixes: ><https://brownmath.com/general/7tip.htm>
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
I even put up my own web page of fixes: ><https://brownmath.com/general/7tip.htm>
That link led me to: https://discountelectronics.com/ , which is interesting, they really do have some deals, if one is OK with
non-brand-new gear. Probably wouldn't be what I'd go with, but
definitely an interesting business, that others here might want to
check out.
If anyone wants to find out what a good operating system
really is, try MX Linux.
https://mxlinux.org/
snip <
I forget little. I clearly recall mentioning that all those Win7-likers
will, no matter what their preference, adopt Win10 and later Windows o/s.
- granted some of those folks are no longer contributing in this 10/11 group(or maybe filtered out for a variety of reasons) it's likley they
are running Win10, Win11 or in limited cases(in this group) some version
or Linux.
Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
I think change is good.
You're entitled to your opinion.
But in _my_ opinion "latest and greatest" is quite often an oxymoron.
I've discovered that it's really useful to learn from the young
people, in a given era, just as I was a pioneer when I was that age,
people today can give us insight, into newer ways of utilizing
technology.
The 'like the old' mentality occurs with the release of every new o/s.
Before this group was added to the servers, 'like the old' started as
soon as the Win10 group was set for being carried across nntp servers.
There are some parts of Win10/11 I don't prefer. That doesn't mean I care
to waste time tweaking something for my preference. There's plenty to
gained by using Windows search via the Start Button to find something and supplemented by online articles(some good, a good share outdated instructions, some horrible, some old where the writer just changed the
date to make it look current).
I forget little. I clearly recall mentioning that all those Win7-likers
will, no matter what their preference, adopt Win10 and later Windows o/s.
- granted some of those folks are no longer contributing in this 10/11 group(or maybe filtered out for a variety of reasons) it's likley they
are running Win10, Win11 or in limited cases(in this group) some version
or Linux.
It's like a perennial - the same(like the old) appears every year in
Windows groups - nothing wrong with holding the opinion, but MSFT has
little history(if any at all) of accommodating a return to yesteryear.
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
Going from a perfectly good operating system like Windows 7 to the POS
it is today doesn't sound like it's evolving.
It's interesting that you invoke Win7, because even that had a heavy
footprint, at its release in 2009.
I think your memory is failing you. Windows 7 did *not* have "a heavy
footprint" [1]. It had a smaller footprint than its predecessor (Vista)
and for example allowed ex-XP netbooks with 1GB of memory to live on
(quite) a bit longer.
[1] Or everybody has been lying all the time. (Never used Windows 7
myself. Went from Vista to 8.1.)
Win 11 looks a mess, with the centralised menu that has to be bludgeoned
into providing access to standard things like Control Panel / Settings.
I've not had enough time to play with Win 11 to see how it can be
tweaked, and whether Classic Shell will restore Win 7 (and older) functionality, because I've always been fixing people's problems rather
than having time to experiment on a PC that I can reconfigure to my
heart's content.
Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
I think change is good. It's a constant force, in this industry, the
guts of Windows 10 had changed almost completely, during its
existence, I saw how 20H2 ran on my old computer, it was a disaster,
and yet when I first upgraded to Win10, in 2015, it was a breeze.
Win11's changes are something that takes getting used to. So, get
used to it. Deal with it. Learn it. It's the same as it ever was,
every freakin' time Microsoft releases a Windows upgrade, people want
the old look and feel back. Let's just realize that it's meant to
evolve.
Going from a perfectly good operating system like Windows 7 to the POS
it is today doesn't sound like it's evolving.
It's interesting that you invoke Win7, because even that had a heavy footprint, at its release in 2009.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
Going from a perfectly good operating system like Windows 7 to the POS
it is today doesn't sound like it's evolving.
It's interesting that you invoke Win7, because even that had a heavy
footprint, at its release in 2009.
I think your memory is failing you. Windows 7 did *not* have "a heavy
footprint" [1]. It had a smaller footprint than its predecessor (Vista)
and for example allowed ex-XP netbooks with 1GB of memory to live on >(quite) a bit longer.
[1] Or everybody has been lying all the time. (Never used Windows 7
myself. Went from Vista to 8.1.)
I mean, I wouldn't be that surprised, if it was less so than Vista,
because Vista was, also, a huge jump, but there's no question, that a
lot of in-use machines, at the time of 7's release, in 2009, were not
able to upgrade, from XP.
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
Johnny <johnny@invalid.net> wrote:
I think change is good. It's a constant force, in this industry, the
guts of Windows 10 had changed almost completely, during its
existence, I saw how 20H2 ran on my old computer, it was a disaster,
and yet when I first upgraded to Win10, in 2015, it was a breeze.
Win11's changes are something that takes getting used to. So, get
used to it. Deal with it. Learn it. It's the same as it ever was,
every freakin' time Microsoft releases a Windows upgrade, people want
the old look and feel back. Let's just realize that it's meant to
evolve.
Going from a perfectly good operating system like Windows 7 to the POS
it is today doesn't sound like it's evolving.
It's interesting that you invoke Win7, because even that had a heavy
footprint, at its release in 2009.
I think your memory is failing you. Windows 7 did *not* have "a heavy footprint" [1]. It had a smaller footprint than its predecessor (Vista)
and for example allowed ex-XP netbooks with 1GB of memory to live on
(quite) a bit longer.
[...]
[1] Or everybody has been lying all the time. (Never used Windows 7
myself. Went from Vista to 8.1.)
On 4/22/2023 3:20 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:[...]
I think your memory is failing you. Windows 7 did *not* have "a heavy footprint" [1]. It had a smaller footprint than its predecessor (Vista)
and for example allowed ex-XP netbooks with 1GB of memory to live on (quite) a bit longer.
[...]
[1] Or everybody has been lying all the time. (Never used Windows 7
myself. Went from Vista to 8.1.)
Windows 7 with 2GB of RAM, was a bit limited. Some IT people were complaining, that when Windows Update would scan the crap out of the
PC (several times a day), the Windows Update code would use up all the
system RAM, and the users complained "they could not do any work".
(Which looks bad for a Corporate IT guy :-) )
Windows 7 with 2GB of RAM, was a bit limited. Some IT people were
complaining, that when Windows Update would scan the crap out of the
PC (several times a day), the Windows Update code would use up all the
system RAM, and the users complained "they could not do any work".
(Which looks bad for a Corporate IT guy :-) )
Probably IT people with a small IT department or/and of a small
company, because letting users' machines run Windows Update is not the
way to deploy updates in a corporate environment. 'We' already knew not
to do it that way in the (late) 1990s.
But yes, Windows Update has been a dog most of the time. It seems to
be better on this Windows 11 laptop, but that has a much faster CPU,
much more memory and a much faster 'disk' (SSD) than 'we'/I had in the NT/XP/etc. days, so that's comparing apples to oranges.
agree with them are just stupid.I don't understand why MS doesn't just give you
options.
Because Microsoft always knows what's best, and those of us who don't
It's arrogance!
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