The goal is a free cross-platform PhotoShop replacement for what YOU do.
In a recent thread, a Windows user was thrilled to find that the free Paint.NET Windows software beat the payware PhotoShop for his needs.
*Results of paint.net app* <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/2abPbCbWw-8>
Knowing that he's also on Linux, I am of the impression Pinta is the cross platform macOS, Windows, Linux PhotoShop replacement for Paint.NET.
However... I use Paint.NET for anything PhotoShop can do, and as such, I haven't personally looked at Pinta (or at PhotoShop) in many years...
Maybe people on this newsgroup have used mac/Linux/Win Pinta recently?
A possible advantage of Pinta, is it works on macOS & Linux along
with Windows and BSD (so it's a cross platform Photoshop replacement).
NOTE: It's a fact that it's a cross platform app; it's an assessment
that it's a Photoshop replacement. The iKooks can't figure that out.
Has anyone on this newsgroup looked at Pinta recently, perhaps??? <https://snapcraft.io/pinta>
<https://www.pinta-project.com/releases/> <https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5501-pinta.html> <https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/pinta.html>
If so, would you kindly inform the rest of us how your tests worked out?
The goal is a free cross-platform PhotoShop replacement for what YOU do.
However... I use Paint.NET for anything PhotoShop can do, and as such, I haven't personally looked at Pinta (or at PhotoShop) in many years...
Maybe people on this newsgroup have used mac/Linux/Win Pinta recently?
Pinta-1.7bp-154.1.49-noarch.rpm is available for Suse-Leap-15.4
the package info says:
"Pinta is a free, open source drawing/editing appliaction designed after Paint.NET. Its goal is to provide users with a simple yet powerful way
to draw and manipulate images"
So I just installed it... no tests
Maybe you can find that drag box that I didn't see?
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJVmhkRM/paintnet-vs-pinta01.jpg> Missing drag box?
As much as I loathe Photoshop (similarly with Protools) for similar
reasons, I cannot understand how you can compare Paint.net with
Photoshop when you haven't looked at the later in many years.
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
3. Pinta (a free cross platform Paint.NET replacement with ease of use)
Pinta was an easy install on Ubuntu and seems to work. One of the few
things I've done with gimp is editing pngs for icons and it's awkward.
I'll have to try it with pinta. I never liked the number of children gimp spawns and so far pinta keeps to itself.
bad sector wrote:
Pinta-1.7bp-154.1.49-noarch.rpm is available for Suse-Leap-15.4
the package info says:
"Pinta is a free, open source drawing/editing appliaction designed
after Paint.NET. Its goal is to provide users with a simple yet
powerful way to draw and manipulate images"
So I just installed it... no tests
Hi bad sector,
Thanks for installing the Linux pinta as most people don't pitch in to
be part of the team, or report back - but you and Joel pitched in.
Kudos to you.
Please do let us know how it works out for you.
I installed it after I saw that you did, so I could be part of the team. <https://i.postimg.cc/bJVmhkRM/paintnet-vs-pinta01.jpg> Missing drag box?
It only had one fatal flaw in my quick test, which is pretty good as it
had a few niceties that weren't in Paint.NET (AFAIK).
Last I had tested pinta for the three things I care most about, it sucked compared to Paint.NET - but things have improved a _lot_ over the years.
What I care about may be different from what you care about but what I care about mostly is dead simple super efficient eminently obvious... a. Texting b. Curved arrows
c. Drawing boxes
Most programs do them horribly (e.g., Joel knows this with The GIMP but
even the venerable Irfanview does them poorly, as do most image editors).
The definition of poorly is it takes too many steps for something that
should be a single step, and then another minor step to adjust.
That's it. "Draw & adjust"
No drawing the text box first - that's just stupid.
No manual expanding needed of that text box if you go out of bounds.
If you want to move it, you just move it and keep going.
If you want to change the font in the middle of texting, you change it.
And you keep going. It's not an extra step ever. Just draw & adjust.
Same with size and all sorts of other text things (like italics or bold).
You draw and then adjust if necessary. One step. Max two.
That's it. "Draw & adjust". Two steps. Max.
Same thing with curved arrows.
You start click and end click and you adjust to curve around stuff.
If you want to make it dotted, you set that while you're doing it.
If you want to change the end shapes while you're doing it, you do that.
If you want to adjust the curve, you move it around while you're doing it.
If you want to change the width or the color (or whatever), you do that. That's it. "Draw & adjust". Two steps. Max.
Same with boxes around things, such as empty boxes to highlight stuff.
That's it. "Draw & adjust". Two steps. Max.
If you look at my threads, you'll see millions of examples... <https://i.postimg.cc/tgvzsMRm/scrcpy25.jpg> Connect over Wi-Fi sans USB <https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: === Android <https://i.postimg.cc/g2yNftw0/scrcpy15.jpg> Trick to pin batch shortcut
Looking at my logs, I last installed Pinta in May of 2022, about a year ago <https://github.com/PintaProject/Pinta/releases/download/2.0.2/Pinta.exe>
So I just downloaded the latest version and will run a quick test for a. Texting
b. Curved arrows
c. Drawing boxes
Here are the latest pointers for Windows users... <https://www.pinta-project.com/releases/> <https://github.com/PintaProject/Pinta/releases/download/2.1.1/Pinta.exe> Name: Pinta.exe
Size: 57072926 bytes (54 MiB)
SHA256: CDD43F411F99449ABCF720148B669D270CAFC617B45F192B8136AC4175484E29
It wants to go into C:\Program Files\Pinta
I put it where it belongs at C:\app\editor\pic\pinta
It didn't create a desktop shortcut so I made one and put it in my menus. c:\menu\editor\pic\pinta.lnk TARGET=C:\app\editor\pic\pinta\Pinta.exe
1. Texting
Pretty good. Only one major flaw (unless I missed how to do it).
You can text without having to draw a box first.
Good news is it will change the text font on the fly mid command.
And the color, size, outline, and all that good texty stuff.
Drat. You can't _move_ the text without extra actions.]
(See image where Paint.NET has a corner drag point.)
2. Curved arrows
Good news for starters, as you can draw a line and then you can add
points to change the curve of the line without having to re-select.
I don't think Paint.NET did that (although Paint.NET curves are
some of the best on the planet, if not the best, IMHO).
And you can change the line color mid command, which is good.
You can change the line style mid command, which is good.
You can change the shape mid command, which is good.
You can change the line width mid command, which is good.
It's actually nicer than Paint.NET in one way because you can add as
many inflection points as you like. It doesn't have the types
of arrow ends that Paint.NET has but it has arrows so that's OK.
But again, there is no drag point that I can find.
This is a serious lack of critical functionality but it may exist
by some other method that isn't obvious yet to me.
3. Drawing boxes
Good news also in that you can draw a box, and then you can add
inflection points to that box, so you can change its shape at will
almost infinitely (presumably) - which Paint.NET doesn't do (AFAIK).
And you can change the line color mid command, which is good.
You can change the line style mid command, which is good.
You can change the shape mid command, which is good.
You can change the line width mid command, which is good.
Yet again, it has the same fatal flaw of the lack of ability
to drag it to a new location mid command (unless I missed it).
4. It used many of the keyboard combinations that Paint.NET used,
e.g., control+d to deselect, and control+x to cut, and control+z
to return to the previous selection, etc., so that was good.
In summary, in my test, it's as good (and slightly better in some ways,
if not as polished as Paint.NET... but ... but...
But unless it can drag (a) text (b) lines and (c) boxes mid
command, it's lacking a critical component for ease of use.
Maybe you can find that drag box that I didn't see? <https://i.postimg.cc/bJVmhkRM/paintnet-vs-pinta01.jpg> Missing drag box?
1. PhotoShop (a super expensive - compared to free - complicated mess)
I'm 79 but so busy that it'll be many a long moon before I get to do any
hands-on with it. I can say though that the early paint-shop had the
right idea about what people wanna do with a paint prog. I too use the
gimp and am ready to throw myself face down on the floor in adoration of
it every week but for drawing-n-painting it's freakin useless, photoshop
I've never even touched. As for the name Pinta, a pint o'what? It also
recalls the great little Pinto that got a bad rap courtesy of GM :-)
I'm 79 but so busy that it'll be many a long moon before I get to do any hands-on with it. I can say though that the early paint-shop had the
right idea about what people wanna do with a paint prog. I too use the
gimp and am ready to throw myself face down on the floor in adoration of
it every week but for drawing-n-painting it's freakin useless, photoshop
I've never even touched. As for the name Pinta, a pint o'what? It also recalls the great little Pinto that got a bad rap courtesy of GM :-)
photoshop elements is $60-70 street price, not even close to expensive,
let alone 'super expensive'.
bad sector wrote:
I'm 79 but so busy that it'll be many a long moon before I get to do
any hands-on with it. I can say though that the early paint-shop had
the right idea about what people wanna do with a paint prog. I too use
the gimp and am ready to throw myself face down on the floor in
adoration of it every week but for drawing-n-painting it's freakin
useless, photoshop I've never even touched. As for the name Pinta, a
pint o'what? It also recalls the great little Pinto that got a bad rap
courtesy of GM :-)
I can't disagree with you that the earliest "paint" program seemed to do "basic" stuff we all grew out teeth on before moving to the others... <https://i.postimg.cc/xjXSP6QY/app-editor-pic.jpg> c:\app\editor\pic\ {artweaver,faststone,fotor,fotosketcher,ghostscript,gimp,imagemagick, inkscape,irfanview,jsware_crop,krita,morph,paint.net,paintstar,photodemon, photopad,pinta,vicman_last_good_version,xnview,psp_shareware,photome,etc.}
I've tested _every_ free image-editing program ever suggested (AFAIK) on
the Windows, digital photo & freeware newsgroups for something like two decades (I am not counting - it's just been since the beginning of time).
I'm older than you, but still under my life expectancy of 91 years
(according to Social Security anyway) where if when you say "early paint shop" you mean PaintShop Pro shareware, the main caveat I have with the PSP setup msi is that it _destroys_ your carefully crafted right-click menus!
And, when you delete Paint Shop Pro in frustration, it leaves fragments behind in your right-click context menu that you have to find & delete.
For that reason alone, I will _never_ install PSP again, but if others need the program, here are the pointers to the latest known good version. <https://web.archive.org/web/20220205033721/http://www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro/>
Note you can't get the last known good version of PSP from here: <http://www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro/>
As far as I know, the last known good version is 5.03 (IMHO).
Bear in mind there are a _lot_ of dead ends with PSP nowadays.
For example, this purports to be PSP version 5.03 <https://winworldpc.com/product/paint-shop-pro/5x>
Name: JASC Paint Shop Pro 5.03 Update.7z
Size: 4135963 bytes (4039 KiB)
SHA256: 9BCE9AC19B2608B947A7F01B012398EEEF8E96D36F7686B4E024738A315AB842
That unzips to
Name: psp503up.exe
Size: 4113688 bytes (4017 KiB)
SHA256: A8511907E9748F1F2D882D991430E459157100A055A1DC04A7C9236F20DB4BD9
But that's just an update to the 5.00 or 5.01 version which has to
already be installed for this update to bump either of them to version
5.03.
Hence, my advice is the last known good version is "only" found here: <https://web.archive.org/web/20220205033721/http://www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro/>
As always, we're a well-honed team, so if you know of a better location
for the last known good version of PSP, please let all of us know where.
I agree with you on PSP5 being the last useful version, but 25 years is really too old to be usable today, isn't it? Does it even install?
I you want something like that have a look at Photofiltre: https://www.photofiltre-studio.com/
I think photopea.com is the most obvious free alternative
for photoshop, because it is both cross-platform (running in the
browser on ios, android, windows, mac, linux, etc..) and convenient
(no need to install any software).
It is also powerful, since it supports advanced editing
(like using layer masks, which paint.net doesn't seem to support).
https://forums.getpaint.net/topic/120062-layer-masks/
I keep logs of every test I run and it looks like I tested photofiltre
on 7/2/2022 at 3:18pm (which isn't in my long term archives yet). <https://i.postimg.cc/3JNFrCp9/picture-editors.jpg> New & old archive
It seems that fotofiltre intantly failed its initial software tests.
Here's my log, verbatim.
<http://www.photofiltre.com/download-en.htm>
PhotoFiltre 11 is shareware and is limited to a 30-day trial period. At
the end of the 30-day trial period, if you want to continue using it you
will need to purchase a registration key. If, on the other
hand you no longer want to continue using the program you must remove it
from your system immediately.
<http://photofiltre.free.fr/>
<http://photofiltre.free.fr/frames_en.htm>
PhotoFiltre is free for a private or educational use. <http://photofiltre.free.fr/download_en.htm> <http://photofiltre.free.fr/utils/PhotoFiltre-en-653.zip>
Name: PhotoFiltre-en-653.zip
Size: 1970704 bytes (1924 KiB)
SHA256: 1962098ABCFC484A883A55DE33F37AC3A38E257B6272BBCBB2E301BC9A49546E
That's all I remember as I only give a program one strike & it's out.
Looking back, it's confusing though since it says it's free for
personal use on one location and it says that it's not in another.
What is it?
Version 7.2.1 is the Last Freeware Version and can be found here:
https://www.photofiltre-studio.com/pf7-en.htm
On 07-04-2023 18:02 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
photoshop elements is $60-70 street price, not even close to expensive,
let alone 'super expensive'.
I must have missed your comparison of elements vs pinta and paint-net.
Can you point to the link where you reported your extensive comparisons?
TIA
Only extraordinary assertions require extraordinary proof.
The goal is a free cross-platform PhotoShop replacement for what YOU do.
In a recent thread, a Windows user was thrilled to find that the free >Paint.NET Windows software beat the payware PhotoShop for his needs.
*Results of paint.net app* <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/2abPbCbWw-8>
Knowing that he's also on Linux, I am of the impression Pinta is the cross >platform macOS, Windows, Linux PhotoShop replacement for Paint.NET.
However... I use Paint.NET for anything PhotoShop can do, and as such,
I haven't personally looked at Pinta (or at PhotoShop) in many years...
Maybe people on this newsgroup have used mac/Linux/Win Pinta recently?
A possible advantage of Pinta, is it works on macOS & Linux along
with Windows and BSD (so it's a cross platform Photoshop replacement).
NOTE: It's a fact that it's a cross platform app; it's an assessment
that it's a Photoshop replacement. The iKooks can't figure that out.
Has anyone on this newsgroup looked at Pinta recently, perhaps???
<https://snapcraft.io/pinta>
<https://www.pinta-project.com/releases/> <https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5501-pinta.html> <https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/pinta.html>
If so, would you kindly inform the rest of us how your tests worked out?
The goal is a free cross-platform PhotoShop replacement for what YOU do.
Andy Burnelli <nospam@nospam.net> wrote:
The goal is a free cross-platform PhotoShop replacement for what YOU do.
In a recent thread, a Windows user was thrilled to find that the free
Paint.NET Windows software beat the payware PhotoShop for his needs.
*Results of paint.net app*
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.photo.digital/c/2abPbCbWw-8>
Knowing that he's also on Linux, I am of the impression Pinta is the cross >> platform macOS, Windows, Linux PhotoShop replacement for Paint.NET.
However... I use Paint.NET for anything PhotoShop can do, and as such,
I haven't personally looked at Pinta (or at PhotoShop) in many years...
Maybe people on this newsgroup have used mac/Linux/Win Pinta recently?
A possible advantage of Pinta, is it works on macOS & Linux along
with Windows and BSD (so it's a cross platform Photoshop replacement).
NOTE: It's a fact that it's a cross platform app; it's an assessment
that it's a Photoshop replacement. The iKooks can't figure that out.
Has anyone on this newsgroup looked at Pinta recently, perhaps???
<https://snapcraft.io/pinta>
<https://www.pinta-project.com/releases/>
<https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5501-pinta.html>
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/pinta.html>
If so, would you kindly inform the rest of us how your tests worked out?
The goal is a free cross-platform PhotoShop replacement for what YOU do.
Hey, Andy, I just purchased a year of:
---
Photography (20GB)
Edit photos in Lightroom and then transform them with Photoshop. Get
both plus 20GB of cloud storage.
US$9.99/mo
---
Directly from Adobe's site. I had some credit that was usable for it,
and wanted to just see what I was missing. It definitely is a top
notch app. May or may not renew it, a year from now, of course. I'd
like to take that length of time to see if it's useful, beyond what
paint.net already provided me.
David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Hi Joel
Do you share your photographs on-line?
If so, may I ask where?
It depends why I took them, sometimes I put them on imgur.com, and
show the link wherever appropriate. Occasionally I put one on
Facebook.
Hi Joel
Do you share your photographs on-line?
If so, may I ask where?
On 22/05/2023 13:51, Joel wrote:
David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Hi Joel
Do you share your photographs on-line?
If so, may I ask where?
It depends why I took them, sometimes I put them on imgur.com, and
show the link wherever appropriate. Occasionally I put one on
Facebook.
OK, thanks. I'll share this recent one with you!
https://ibb.co/k8DHRpn
Taken nearby! :-)
On 22/05/2023 14:04, David Brooks wrote:
On 22/05/2023 13:51, Joel wrote:
David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Hi Joel
Do you share your photographs on-line?
If so, may I ask where?
It depends why I took them, sometimes I put them on imgur.com, and
show the link wherever appropriate. Occasionally I put one on
Facebook.
OK, thanks. I'll share this recent one with you!
https://ibb.co/k8DHRpn
Taken nearby! :-)
In case of doubt, they ARE real! They flew there!
On 5/22/23 09:21, this is what David Brooks wrote:
On 22/05/2023 14:04, David Brooks wrote:I was going to ask, they look wooden. Beautiful.
On 22/05/2023 13:51, Joel wrote:
David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Hi Joel
Do you share your photographs on-line?
If so, may I ask where?
It depends why I took them, sometimes I put them on imgur.com, and
show the link wherever appropriate. Occasionally I put one on
Facebook.
OK, thanks. I'll share this recent one with you!
https://ibb.co/k8DHRpn
Taken nearby! :-)
In case of doubt, they ARE real! They flew there!
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 297 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 06:15:29 |
| Calls: | 6,666 |
| Files: | 12,213 |
| Messages: | 5,336,023 |
