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    From micky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 00:12:18 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.andrroid, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    Blue Mail for the PC.

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    Do any of you know or like Blue Mail?

    So I installed it on the PC and for initial signing in, it wants my
    Microsoft email, phone, or Skype account number. Huhh? When I tried
    to give it a regular email address, it said it was incorrect!!

    No other email program ever wanted that. In theory, it would connect
    them to my Skype account where they might have recordings of my long conversations with a friend (same friend). There's nothing shameful in
    them, but why do they need a MS login at all?

    Would this discourage you?


    (It would also let me sign in with a GitHub account or an organization
    that I'm working with!)

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  • From micky@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 00:39:12 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    Do any of you know or like Blue Mail?

    So I installed it on the PC and for initial signing in, it wants my
    Microsoft email, phone, or Skype account number. Huhh? When I tried
    to give it a regular email address, it said it was incorrect!!

    No other email program ever wanted that. In theory, it would connect
    them to my Skype account where they might have recordings of my long conversations with a friend (same friend). There's nothing shameful in
    them, but why do they need a MS login at all?

    Would this discourage you?


    (It would also let me sign in with a GitHub account or an organization
    that I'm working with!)

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to micky on Thu Mar 23 22:46:14 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    On 3/23/23 9:39 PM, micky wrote:
    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    Do any of you know or like Blue Mail?

    I started using it perhaps 5 years ago -- the gmail app seemed to insist
    on pushing mail and I didn't want that -- I wanted it to download mail
    only when I actually WANTED it, which was when I was on a trip. It
    behaves beautifully and I have had no regrets at all. I have 4 accounts
    on it, plus the unified account that it gives you that I don't use.

    So I installed it on the PC and for initial signing in, it wants my
    Microsoft email, phone, or Skype account number. Huhh? When I tried
    to give it a regular email address, it said it was incorrect!!

    Maybe that's a windows thing. I can see why it would want your email addresses, but not Skype. Since I signed up so long ago I don't
    remember what it wanted. I've usee Thunderbird/linux (v.38) for mail
    on my computer since it was Netscape .9 and see no reason to change.

    No other email program ever wanted that. In theory, it would connect
    them to my Skype account where they might have recordings of my long conversations with a friend (same friend). There's nothing shameful in
    them, but why do they need a MS login at all?

    Would this discourage you?

    Is there a reason you need it on your PC? Unless I really want
    something I won't give an app information about anything it doesn't
    actually need to operate.

    (It would also let me sign in with a GitHub account or an organization
    that I'm working with!)


    --
    Cheers, Bev
    (On going to war over religion:) "You're basically killing each other
    to see who's got the better imaginary friend." -- Rich Jeni

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Mar 24 05:50:01 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    micky wrote:

    No other email program ever wanted that.

    I don't know about BlueMail micky, but I've been in touch with the
    developer of FairMail (also the developer of NetGuard) who went to great lengths, emotionally and programatically, to ensure we can log into Google Accounts from Android without needing 2FA/2SV and by using only OAUth like Thunderbird does (and presumably, soon, the Thunderbird K9mail variant).

    Here are some URLs that will help you (and others) as one huuuuuuuuge
    advantage of NOT using the GMail app on Android is that the GMail app will _create_ an account on the Android phone (which is a horrid thing to do).
    <https://email.faircode.eu/> (best privacy aware MUA for Android, IMHO)
    <https://netguard.me/> (the only no-root free firewall & ad blocker hosts)

    Android works _better_ without the Google Account assigned to the phone.
    You just have to know which are the better clients to use than Google's.

    FairMail is one of them.
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.email>
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    Fixed the non-existent newsgroup from alt.comp.os.windows.11 [sic].

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Fri Mar 24 06:01:32 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    The Real Bev wrote:

    Is there a reason you need it on your PC? Unless I really want
    something I won't give an app information about anything it doesn't
    actually need to operate.

    I suspect most Windows users, even if they're on Android or iOS, use Thunderbird to get their mail (even if they have a Google Account).
    <https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/download/>

    As for micky's issue with BlueMail, I don't use it and I won't even test
    it, but I suspect there's this darn authorization issue to overcome.

    I know Thunderbird overcame it with OAUth methods (which essentially pull
    up a web browser, as I recall, to allow you to log in once to Google).

    Marcel Bokhorst went crazy (emotionally and programmatically) about a year
    ago when Google foisted 2FA/2SV on us without sufficient prior preparation,
    and then, rather cleverly so, Google allowed the MUA developers like those
    of K9Mail and FairMail to flounder until they found a way to do OAuth.

    No matter what motive you apply to it, what happened was people couldn't
    wait the months it took the MUA developers (other than Thunderbird) to
    catch up, so they implemented the 2FA/2SV like sheep led to slaughter.

    Months after Google implemented its Draconian rules, both K-9 Mail and Fair Mail were able to get past Google's walled garden to use OAUth.

    I suspect, but I don't know, that this authorization issue is what's
    hanging up micky - but I'll let the others who know more than I do confirm
    or deny that suspicion as user error is just as likely as subterfuge.
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    Fixed the alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows.11

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 07:57:50 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    Am 24.03.23 um 05:39 schrieb micky:
    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    I switched from K-9 to bluemail and then back to K-9 when bluemail ran
    into a privacy issue a year or two ago.

    I would never use it on a "real computer". There I want open source and
    cross platform: That means Thunderbird.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Fri Mar 24 08:04:31 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 24/03/2023 05:50, Andy Burnelli wrote:

    I don't know about BlueMail micky, but I've been in touch with the
    developer of FairMail

    FairMail is one of them.

    Just FYI, and anyone else who's trying to look for it, it is
    *FairEmail*, not "FairMail".
    I use it with my Android phone.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Chris Green@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Fri Mar 24 09:19:04 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 24.03.23 um 05:39 schrieb micky:
    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    I switched from K-9 to bluemail and then back to K-9 when bluemail ran
    into a privacy issue a year or two ago.

    I would never use it on a "real computer". There I want open source and
    cross platform: That means Thunderbird.

    For what it's worth (not very much to all you GUI users I suspect) I
    use mutt, a Linux command line/text mode mail program to manage my
    mail.

    When I'm away from home I simply use ssh to connect to my home system
    (usually from my laptop) to read mail.

    If I don't have my laptop and I do have my 'phone (doesn't happen very
    often but does occasionally) then I use ssh from Termux on my 'phone
    to read E-Mail.

    Same program, same editor, same familiar environment whereever and
    whenever I read mail.

    --
    Chris Green
    ยท

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 12:00:31 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    In article <tvjhlf$2gft5$2@solani.org>, hugybear@gmx.ch says...

    Am 24.03.23 um 05:39 schrieb micky:
    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    I switched from K-9 to bluemail and then back to K-9 when bluemail ran
    into a privacy issue a year or two ago.

    I would never use it on a "real computer". There I want open source and
    cross platform: That means Thunderbird.

    Since when can you get Thunderbird on Android?

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to micky on Fri Mar 24 09:43:12 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    On 3/24/2023 12:39 AM, micky wrote:
    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    Do any of you know or like Blue Mail?

    So I installed it on the PC and for initial signing in, it wants my
    Microsoft email, phone, or Skype account number. Huhh? When I tried
    to give it a regular email address, it said it was incorrect!!

    No other email program ever wanted that. In theory, it would connect
    them to my Skype account where they might have recordings of my long conversations with a friend (same friend). There's nothing shameful in
    them, but why do they need a MS login at all?

    Would this discourage you?


    (It would also let me sign in with a GitHub account or an organization
    that I'm working with!)

    I gave it the keys to my house, and it feeds the dog when I'm away.
    But I don't have a dog.

    Paul

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 15:22:08 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    Am 24.03.23 um 13:00 schrieb Jim the Geordie:
    In article <tvjhlf$2gft5$2@solani.org>, hugybear@gmx.ch says...

    Am 24.03.23 um 05:39 schrieb micky:
    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    I switched from K-9 to bluemail and then back to K-9 when bluemail ran
    into a privacy issue a year or two ago.

    I would never use it on a "real computer". There I want open source and
    cross platform: That means Thunderbird.

    Since when can you get Thunderbird on Android?

    K-9. Just in case.
    And I talked about "real computers" and not toy-like devices which are
    never really under control of the user.

    --
    Gutta cavat lapidem (Ovid)

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri Mar 24 14:15:34 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Jeff Layman wrote:

    FairMail is one of them.

    Just FYI, and anyone else who's trying to look for it, it is
    *FairEmail*, not "FairMail".
    I use it with my Android phone.

    Thanks. I gave the link the first time I posted, as I generally go to the
    extra trouble to dig up the links so others always benefit from my posts.

    *FairEmail*, privacy aware email by Marcel Bokhorst, FairCode BV, FOSS
    Free, ad free, gsf free, 4.6 star, 24.3K reviews, 500K+ Downloads
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.email>
    <https://email.faircode.eu/>
    <https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail/releases>
    <https://f-droid.org/en/packages/eu.faircode.email/>
    <https://www.xda-developers.com/fairemail-email-app-privacy-conscious-android/>
    <https://www.xda-developers.com/fairemail-open-source-privacy-friendly-email/>

    It's important for me to state that some Google apps, not many, but certainly the GMail MUA does it, do nefarious unexpected things (surprise!) so you
    really can't use those Google apps unless you don't care what the app does.

    A year ago, just one of those (multiple!) Draconian differences with Google almost made Marcel of FairEmail give up - which Google did on purpose (imho).
    <https://www.ghacks.net/2022/05/19/fairemail-developer-calls-it-quits-and-pulls-apps-from-google-play/>

    Google would love to have the same restrictive walled garden Apple has.
    Luckily no other MUA does the nasty things that the GMail client does.

    Luckily, there are always better alternatives to the Google apps
    and these clients are generally FOSS and few contain GSF spyware.

    Note that K-9 Mail was taken over by Mozilla & it has a lower rating.
    *K-9 Mail* by K-9 Dog Walkers
    Free, ad free, gsf free, 3.1 star 97K reviews 5M+ Downloads
    <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9>
    <https://k9mail.app/>
    <https://f-droid.org/packages/com.fsck.k9/>
    <https://github.com/thundernest/k-9/releases>
    <https://www.amazon.com/K-9-Dog-Walkers-Mail/dp/B004JK61K0/>
    --
    Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
    which, in this case, is to faithfully try to help the original poster.

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  • From Andy Burnelli@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Fri Mar 24 14:20:13 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    Jim the Geordie wrote:

    Since when can you get Thunderbird on Android?

    Look up who now owns K-9 Mail...
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-9_Mail>

    Look up all the guesses as to what future naming may be:
    <https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/268499/k-9-mail-becomes-mozilla-thunderbird-android>

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Jim the Geordie on Fri Mar 24 08:38:53 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    On 3/24/23 5:00 AM, Jim the Geordie wrote:
    In article <tvjhlf$2gft5$2@solani.org>, hugybear@gmx.ch says...

    Am 24.03.23 um 05:39 schrieb micky:
    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    I switched from K-9 to bluemail and then back to K-9 when bluemail ran
    into a privacy issue a year or two ago.

    I would never use it on a "real computer". There I want open source and
    cross platform: That means Thunderbird.

    Since when can you get Thunderbird on Android?

    Re-read that last paragraph. Something about "real computer"...

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting
    them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for
    no good reason. - Jack Handy

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 24 10:11:17 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows.11

    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 00:39:12 -0400, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com>
    wrote:

    Blue Mail for the PC.

    Was: alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.mobile.andrroid,alt.comp.os.windows.11

    I've been using K-9 for email on my phone. it's good but it's not
    perfect for me. A friend uses Blue Mail, and when I looked at it, it
    works on the PC too!

    Do any of you know or like Blue Mail?


    I use Blue Mail on my Android phone and I like it. I don't use it on
    my Windows 11 PC; I use Thunderbird there, and I'm happy with that
    too..

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Andy Burnelli on Fri Mar 24 18:58:57 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On 24/03/2023 14:20, Andy Burnelli wrote:
    Jim the Geordie wrote:

    Since when can you get Thunderbird on Android?

    Look up who now owns K-9 Mail...
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-9_Mail>

    Look up all the guesses as to what future naming may be:
    <https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/268499/k-9-mail-becomes-mozilla-thunderbird-android>

    Updated news here: <https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/03/thunderbird-for-android-k-9-mail-february-progress-report/>

    I'm not sure why they keep using the expression "Thunderbird for android
    K-9". From the very start the devs said that there would be no news
    client included. So it's not like TB at all, only like many other
    email-only clients.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Minoru Osaka@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Mar 25 18:17:38 2023
    XPost: comp.mobile.android, alt.comp.os.windows-11

    On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 18:58:57 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:

    I'm not sure why they keep using the expression "Thunderbird for android K-9". From the very start the devs said that there would be no news
    client included. So it's not like TB at all, only like many other
    email-only clients.

    My guess is marketing did a survey and people had "brand recognition" for thunderbird but not so much for k-9.

    I've seen that happen where a new company bought an old company and the new marketing ran surveys of which of the old brands were already well
    recognized. Then they named all the new products those old brand names.

    Confusing as all hell if you knew the old brand names because the new brand names referred to a different product technically but none of that mattered
    to marketing.

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