• Re: GMail notification

    From DAN@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Thu Mar 16 20:02:53 2023
    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use to read this email account.
    Outlook, PopPeeper (free), etc can do this. IOS Mail on iphone can do it.

    Choose you device, choose your client, and then see the possibilities it offers.

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  • From MajorLanGod@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 18:28:52 2023
    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an
    email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to DAN on Thu Mar 16 19:44:32 2023
    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an
    email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client, in which case click the settings cog top-right of gmail, then
    see all set settings, scroll down to desktop notifications and turn new
    mail notifications on, you'll probably have to confirm you want them in
    your browsers permissions too ...

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Thu Mar 16 18:31:18 2023
    MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    Gmail is a service. WHAT client-side app/program are you using to
    monitor your e-mail? It should have its own notification system, or
    borrow the one in Windows, or both (you can select which to use).

    If "Gmail" means you are using a web browser (the local client) to
    connect to gmail.com, it depends on the web browser which was also
    unidentified by you.

    https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1075549?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop

    Notifications must be enabled in the web browser. Now it's your turn to research. Do an online search on "<yourWebBrowser> notifications".

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 16 16:51:32 2023
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:44:32 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >>> email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

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  • From James Tyler@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 01:30:00 2023
    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    Why is Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL, and even your local ISP providing
    Web mail if, as you say, in your view is far and away the worst possible
    way to do e-mail? Surely, they can save a lot of money by not employing
    people to look after the web based email and the security aspects of maintaining it. The OP is not new here. He knows what is good or convenient for him.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Thu Mar 16 19:01:00 2023
    Ken Blake wrote on 3/16/2023 4:51 PM:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:44:32 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >>>> email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    From what I've seen.
    Most people these days who use GMail in a browser prefer the browser over
    the stand-alone client approach.

    Since Chrome is the most common used browser, it makes sense for most to operate in that mode, especially with Chrome auto-logging on, the email
    is easily accessible with a simple click if not loaded automatically.

    Lol...not every one thinks like us old stand-alone email client long term users. In fact, to most of those Gmail-Chrome browser preferred users we
    are in the 'Luddite' category.


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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Fri Mar 17 03:01:35 2023
    On 2023-03-17 00:51, Ken Blake wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:44:32 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >>>> email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    I know for a fact that people that are not very computer savvy, find
    using mail in a web browser much easier than with a proper email
    application.

    For instance, the browser view is the same in any computer they happen
    to use. No need to even memorize the URL of the webmail, google finds it
    for them. just the login/pass.

    And in fact, they use other tools from inside the web browser as easy.

    --
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Fri Mar 17 06:36:48 2023
    Ken Blake wrote:

    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    Most of us here know, that, but as you say, most of the rest of people
    think of gmail as a website, or a phone app, they've never heard of smtp
    or imap.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 06:39:45 2023
    ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

    Since Chrome is the most common used browser, it makes sense for most to operate in that mode, especially with Chrome auto-logging on, the email
    is easily accessible with a simple click if not loaded automatically.

    I've not used it, but AIU your mailbox even works offline, if you access
    it with chrome (presumably via the the evil that is worker processes and
    local storage?)

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  • From MajorLanGod@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 14:12:28 2023

    Since Chrome is the most common used browser, it makes sense for most
    to operate in that mode, especially with Chrome auto-logging on, the
    email is easily accessible with a simple click if not loaded
    automatically.

    Lol...not every one thinks like us old stand-alone email client long
    term users. In fact, to most of those Gmail-Chrome browser preferred
    users we are in the 'Luddite' category.


    Back in the day I used Thunderbird (IIRC) and don't really remember who I switched to the Gmail client ussing Firefox.

    I didn't mean to stir up a storm. I just don't have the time right now to
    do any in-depth research and hoped that there might be a quick and dirty setting available.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to james.tyler@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 17 10:29:04 2023
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 01:30:00 +0000, James Tyler
    <james.tyler@hotmail.com> wrote:


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    Why is Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL, and even your local ISP providing
    Web mail if, as you say, in your view is far and away the worst possible
    way to do e-mail? Surely, they can save a lot of money by not employing >people to look after the web based email and the security aspects of >maintaining it.


    You are free to have an opinion different from mine. As I said, "at
    least in my view."


    The OP is not new here.

    Major Lan God? No, not new, but...

    He knows what is good or convenient for him.

    Many people do things the way they do because they don't know what is
    good or convenient for them, nor that they have a choice (did Major
    Lan God know he had a choice? I can't be sure of course, but I suspect
    not). That's true of computer-related things as well as many other
    things.

    Most people who use gmail use it on the web because that's the way
    Google sets it up when they start with it, and they are unaware that
    they don't have to continue doing it that way.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 10:19:58 2023
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 06:36:48 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    Ken Blake wrote:

    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    Most of us here know, that,


    Yes.

    but as you say, most of the rest of people
    think of gmail as a website, or a phone app,

    Yes.

    they've never heard of smtp
    or imap.


    Yes, but I don't think having heard of smtp or imap is that
    important. Many people who use e-mail programs successfully (my wife,
    for example) have never heard of smtp or imap. Rather, they think
    that gmail is different from other kinds of e-mail and has to be done
    on the gmail web site.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 10:39:22 2023
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:01:00 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Ken Blake wrote on 3/16/2023 4:51 PM:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:44:32 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >>>>> email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    From what I've seen.
    Most people these days who use GMail in a browser prefer the browser over >the stand-alone client approach.


    Your experience is very different from mine. In my experience, by far,
    is that most people these days who use Gmail in a browser do it that
    way because they are unaware that they have a choice. I have many
    times told friends and relatives that they have a choice, and they
    have thanked me for letting them know that and prompting them to
    change to an e-mail client, which they liked much better.



    Since Chrome is the most common used browser,


    Alas, yes. I know it is. In my view, it's the second worst browser.
    Only Edge is worse (yes, I know, there are others here who don't
    agree. That's fine, each to his own). As is so often the case,
    popularity and quality don't necessarily go hand in hand.

    it makes sense for most to
    operate in that mode,


    Not to me. Again, each to his own.

    especially with Chrome auto-logging on, the email
    is easily accessible with a simple click if not loaded automatically.

    Lol...not every one thinks like us old stand-alone email client long term >users.


    You are certainly right about that.


    In fact, to most of those Gmail-Chrome browser preferred users we
    are in the 'Luddite' category.


    Probably right about that too.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Fri Mar 17 12:11:02 2023
    Ken Blake wrote on 3/17/2023 10:29 AM:
    On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 01:30:00 +0000, James Tyler
    <james.tyler@hotmail.com> wrote:


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    Why is Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, AOL, and even your local ISP providing
    Web mail if, as you say, in your view is far and away the worst possible
    way to do e-mail? Surely, they can save a lot of money by not employing
    people to look after the web based email and the security aspects of
    maintaining it.


    You are free to have an opinion different from mine. As I said, "at
    least in my view."


    The OP is not new here.

    Major Lan God? No, not new, but...

    He knows what is good or convenient for him.

    Many people do things the way they do because they don't know what is
    good or convenient for them, nor that they have a choice (did Major
    Lan God know he had a choice? I can't be sure of course, but I suspect
    not). That's true of computer-related things as well as many other
    things.

    Most people who use gmail use it on the web because that's the way
    Google sets it up when they start with it, and they are unaware that
    they don't have to continue doing it that way.

    Just about every email acquired free or via an internet provider sets up
    the account on the web(their hosted server). For the latter, those ip
    provided email addresses take a backseat to obtaining a free
    account(Gmail, Outlook.com, Yahoo)
    - the numbers tell the story on this population.
    Discount the Enterprise, SMB, EDU, GOV environment where admin controls
    email acct issuance, one is left with personal use of free(not isp
    provided) that obtain those free email addresses. Including the Aisa numbers(China blocks GMail in favor or country specific free web UI
    hosted or optionally the not-blocked Outlook.com) and other continents
    the personal usage still favors the 2.8+ billion free accounts using web
    UI and mobile devices.

    As noted numerous times with the advent of the mobile devices capable of autosetup in their included email app(even Outlook.com app for iOs and
    Android) email use, unless admin managed by Enterprise and SMB is via the mobile device and the web as an alternate - not email clients on desktop/laptop/tablet pcs.

    While it's safe to say most people aren't aware of imap, pop3, smtp but
    that's also somewhat of a concatenation way of looking at the total -
    even those using email clients don't need to be concerned with those
    terms - autosetup in the major email clients handles the configuration.
    - it hasn't mattered if a local install-able email client(Outlook,
    TBird, eM, Mailbird, Inky, etc) is available or even suggested the web as
    the alternate and the phone remains the leader in email retrieval.

    The numbers just are not there to say most use the Gmail web ui(and other
    free web UI services) because of ignorance of stand-alone email clients
    or not being aware of another way. They use it because it's simple and
    easy without the overhead of managing another separate client.

    In fact it's entirely a possibility that most that claim that email
    clients are better options than web UI for personal use are really
    holding that opinion based on their preference to manage email data
    locally rather than on a web server, but since the majority of personal
    email originates initially on some form of remote hosted cloud
    environment that position is also skewing what most prefer - mobile and
    web UI.

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    ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Fri Mar 17 12:26:20 2023
    MajorLanGod wrote on 3/17/2023 7:12 AM:

    Since Chrome is the most common used browser, it makes sense for most
    to operate in that mode, especially with Chrome auto-logging on, the
    email is easily accessible with a simple click if not loaded
    automatically.

    Lol...not every one thinks like us old stand-alone email client long
    term users. In fact, to most of those Gmail-Chrome browser preferred
    users we are in the 'Luddite' category.


    Back in the day I used Thunderbird (IIRC) and don't really remember who I switched to the Gmail client ussing Firefox.

    I didn't mean to stir up a storm. I just don't have the time right now to
    do any in-depth research and hoped that there might be a quick and dirty setting available.


    Looks like you replied to my earlier post.


    Your issue got side-tracked and digressed once someone asked if your
    initial Q was based on using GMail in the web or an email client.
    - thereafter the digression started once another posted introduced/interjected that email clients are better than web UI without addressing your original question on notification methods in an email client.

    Sorry it went in another direction, even though its quite common for
    threads to digress with different unrelated(to the original Q)opinions.

    Usenet is what it is...just a BOG.
    'Bunch Of Guys' entertaining each other on an off-topic.

    Back to your initial question - without more information, Dan and Andy
    gave the best answer possible.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to winstonmvp@gmail.com on Fri Mar 17 14:41:26 2023
    "...w¡ñ§±¤ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    I didn't mean to stir up a storm. I just don't have the time right
    now to do any in-depth research and hoped that there might be a
    quick and dirty setting available.

    Back to your initial question - without more information, Dan and Andy
    gave the best answer possible.

    Just ensuring notifications are enabled in the web browser is not
    sufficient to get notification from the Gmail service (provided you have
    logged into Gmail using your web browser, and stay logged in)?

    In Firefox, go to about:preferences#privacy -> Permissions ->
    Notifications. I don't have Chrome to check there. I use Edge-Chromium instead where you go to edge://settings/content -> Notifications.

    That's how the Google article I mentioned says how to do it.

    Sorry, I don't want every damn site that wants to push notifications at
    me when web browsing, so I have notifications disabled. Google says notifications is how to do it, so see if it works for you.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 17 23:38:52 2023
    On 2023-03-17 20:11, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
    In fact it's entirely a possibility that most that claim that email
    clients are better options than web UI for personal use are really
    holding that opinion based on their preference to manage email data
    locally rather than on a web server, but since the majority of personal
    email originates initially on some form of remote hosted cloud
    environment that position is also skewing what most prefer - mobile and
    web UI.

    You can use gmail with an imap client with everything (almost) stored in
    the cloud as well.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Sat Mar 18 09:39:17 2023
    MajorLanGod wrote:

    I just don't have the time right now to do any in-depth research and
    hoped that there might be a quick and dirty setting available.

    As I mentioned, there is a quick and clean way to get notifications ...

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Sat Mar 18 15:10:57 2023
    On 2023-03-17 23:38, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-03-17 20:11, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
    In fact it's entirely a possibility that most that claim that email
    clients are better options than web UI for personal use are really
    holding that opinion based on their preference to manage email data
    locally rather than on a web server, but since the majority of
    personal email originates initially on some form of remote hosted
    cloud environment that position is also skewing what most prefer -
    mobile and web UI.

    You can use gmail with an imap client with everything (almost) stored in
    the cloud as well.

    In fact, one of the most asked question in the support web forum of my
    ISP, which allows old customers to keep our emails there, is how to make
    room for more emails because their quota is full.

    So I tell them to install an IMAP client and move whatever mails they
    wish to a local folder on their computers.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Thu Mar 30 17:34:54 2023
    On 3/17/2023 3:38 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-03-17 20:11, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
    In fact it's entirely a possibility that most that claim that email
    clients are better options than web UI for personal use are really
    holding that opinion based on their preference to manage email data
    locally rather than on a web server, but since the majority of
    personal email originates initially on some form of remote hosted
    cloud environment that position is also skewing what most prefer -
    mobile and web UI.

    You can use gmail with an imap client with everything (almost) stored in
    the cloud as well.


    The huge reason to use Thunderbird or some other such email client is so
    you can check ALL your email accounts, from any number of providers,
    from one place, and see if you have ANY new email in any account in one
    glance. I recently had a conversation with someone who had no clue such
    a thing was possible.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to Bob F on Fri Mar 31 06:56:45 2023
    On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 17:34:54 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

    The huge reason to use Thunderbird or some other such email client is so
    you can check ALL your email accounts, from any number of providers,
    from one place, and see if you have ANY new email in any account in one >glance.


    I agree that that's an important reason to use an e-mail client rather
    than a web site, *if* you have more than one e-mail account. However
    the great majority of e-mail users have only a single account, so
    that's not any reason at all for most people, let alone a *huge*
    reason.


    I recently had a conversation with someone who had no clue such
    a thing was possible.

    That's not surprising. Probably most people have no clue such
    a thing is possible.

    Most people also have no idea that you can configure an e-mail client
    (all of them? most of them?) to have multiple "inboxes" to sort mail
    from different senders into different places.

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Bob F on Fri Mar 31 13:24:58 2023
    Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 3/17/2023 3:38 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2023-03-17 20:11, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
    In fact it's entirely a possibility that most that claim that email
    clients are better options than web UI for personal use are really
    holding that opinion based on their preference to manage email data
    locally rather than on a web server, but since the majority of
    personal email originates initially on some form of remote hosted
    cloud environment that position is also skewing what most prefer -
    mobile and web UI.

    You can use gmail with an imap client with everything (almost) stored in the cloud as well.


    The huge reason to use Thunderbird or some other such email client is so
    you can check ALL your email accounts, from any number of providers,
    from one place, and see if you have ANY new email in any account in one glance. I recently had a conversation with someone who had no clue such
    a thing was possible.

    I don't disagree with you (on the usefulness of a real email client),
    but, unless that changed recently, Gmail's web-client can do the same,
    collect the email of all the user's other accounts.

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  • From Brian Gregory@21:1/5 to Ken Blake on Fri Mar 31 16:17:55 2023
    On 16/03/2023 23:51, Ken Blake wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:44:32 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >>>> email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.


    You've never tried to search for that email about a year ago where
    someone, not sure who, mentioned their new xyz then?

    That is soooo much easier with gmail in a web browser than in any email
    client I've ever used.

    --
    Brian Gregory (in England).

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  • From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to Brian Gregory on Fri Mar 31 18:43:27 2023
    Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
    On 16/03/2023 23:51, Ken Blake wrote:
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:44:32 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >>>> email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client


    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    You've never tried to search for that email about a year ago where
    someone, not sure who, mentioned their new xyz then?

    That is soooo much easier with gmail in a web browser than in any email client I've ever used.

    Well, then it must be really, really easy ("with gmail in a web
    browser", because it's *trivial* in something like Thunderbird [1].

    I.e. you search on Date(s) (or Age) and a string in the Body.

    FWIW, I have a two-decade++ archive and frequently do searches in it
    (or in parts of it). Piece of Tiramisu!

    [1] Not that Thunderbird is such a great email client, but just to show
    how elementary this functionality/need is.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Brian Gregory on Fri Mar 31 13:23:33 2023
    Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:

    Ken Blake wrote:

    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

    DAN wrote:

    MajorLanGod wrote:

    Is there a way to have Gmail ping or make some other noise when I get an >>>>> email, especially if it is from a specific person/address?

    This would be a function of the email client you use

    I assume the O/P wants to use a web browser, rather than an email
    client

    Most people who use gmail do it in a browser, not because they want
    to, but because they think that's the way it is, and they have no
    other alternative. They don't realize that using a browser (at least
    in my view) far and away the worst possible way to do e-mail. Any
    email client--even the worst of them--is a much better choice.

    You've never tried to search for that email about a year ago where
    someone, not sure who, mentioned their new xyz then?

    That is soooo much easier with gmail in a web browser than in any email client I've ever used.

    I've found the search in my choice of e-mail client (eM Client) to be
    extremely good. Not only can I search on substrings, but I can also use
    regex, plus I specify the scope of the search, like in the current
    folder, recurse into subfolders, all folders, in just the Subject, or in Subject, or sender, or in the body, or a combo of those conditions.

    Google's search sucks. It is far too greedy, and finds stuff that you
    didn't even specify. That's why their server-side rules (which are
    actually searches) suck, too. Not even a stop-clause to control the
    flow of a message through the filters. Rules in e-mail clients, even
    the poor choices, is far superior than what Google provides at their
    server. Even compared to other e-mail providers that have server-side
    rules, like my ISP (Comcast) and Hotmail/Outlook.com, server-side rules
    (er, searches) with Gmail super suck slimy toad balls.

    In addition, with a webmail client, you get to look at just ONE account
    at a time. If you want to view multiple accounts, you have to open
    multiple tabs or windows to load each account. A local e-mail client is
    an aggregator: all accounts in one place. Yes, you can have Gmail poll
    other e-mail accounts (but only using POP or IMAP), but trying to figure
    out which e-mail came through which account requires you view headers.
    Also, Gmail will use progressively longer polling intervals when
    checking for new messages at other accounts. First one is 5 minutes, if
    no new messages then the next poll is 10 minutes, and this repeats with
    the polling interval getting longer and longer until it is just over an
    hour. That means if you've not received new messages for awhile,
    someone could send you a new one, especially in reply to yours, but
    Gmail might not poll the other account for an hour. So much for
    immediacy in e-mail communication. I use Gmail to poll another account
    that is rarely used to keep it alive. If the account isn't logged into
    for a month, it goes inactive, and eventually deleted. Under Accounts
    and Import section in Gmail's settings, currently Gmail reports the last
    poll of the other account is 55 minutes (yep, pretty much the hour I remembered). When I look at the history of mail polls of the other
    account, the intervals were 69, 69, 67, 68, and 57 minutes (with the
    last one still counting up since the next mail poll has yet to happen).
    With an e-mail client that supports IMAP PUSH or IMAP IDLE, it gets
    notified as soon as a new message gets pushed into your account on the
    server; else, you can configure the mail polling intervals, like 5, 10,
    15, 20 minutes, or whatever you like (1 minute is considered rude and
    wasteful of the e-mail provider's services).

    If you're into HTML formatting of your e-mails, Gmail sucks for that.
    E-mail clients provide far superior HTML formatting. If you're into
    text only for viewing e-mails, local clients are far better. The
    webmail client to Gmail is going to show you HTML for HTML formatted
    e-mails. There is no plain-text option to view messages, by default.

    With webmail, you have to configure your web browser to allow
    notifications (oh, joy, anyone that wants to push notices at you can
    then do so) to see when new messages arrive, and you'll only get those notifications after logging into your Gmail account, and only during a
    web session with Gmail that you keep open (don't close the web browser).
    An e-mail client running in the background can tell you when new
    messages arrive, and can even popup alerts giving info on the new
    messages rather than some vague indicator having you then revisit Gmail
    to see what they are.

    The only things going for Gmail are it is free, and they have decent
    inbound spam filtering (but suck at outbound spam filtering). The last advantage is used by some folks to chain their e-mail accounts together:
    they tell senders to use the Gmail address, Gmail filters out spam, and
    their other account polls the Gmail account, so the server-side spam
    filters get used at the 2nd account, and their local client polls the
    2nd account. In addition to compounding the spam filtering, the
    server-side filters are far superior at most other e-mail providers, so
    the route could be Gmail -> crappy Gmail filters -> yanked to other
    account -> much better filters at other account -> local e-mail client
    filters in e-mail client. I did that for awhile a few years back,
    but decided to not bother trying to conjoin Gmail's spam filtering with
    my primary account's spam filtering, especially after my primary account
    got much better at spam filtering.

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to All on Sun Apr 2 10:32:55 2023
    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:01:00 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

    Lol...not every one thinks like us old stand-alone email client
    long term users. In fact, to most of those Gmail-Chrome browser
    preferred users we are in the 'Luddite' category.

    Yes, and Luddites may have corespondents of similar fixed ideas. And
    then wonder who it's a lot of trouble to deal with commercial
    messages (and I don't mean spam).

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  • From mechanic@21:1/5 to mechanic on Mon Apr 3 12:19:45 2023
    On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 10:32:55 +0100, mechanic wrote:

    On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 19:01:00 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

    Lol...not every one thinks like us old stand-alone email client
    long term users. In fact, to most of those Gmail-Chrome browser
    preferred users we are in the 'Luddite' category.

    Yes, and Luddites may have corespondents of similar fixed ideas. And
    then wonder who it's a lot of trouble to deal with commercial
    messages (and I don't mean spam).

    oops, s/who/why - remember to check before posting!

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