Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising
with Google Calendar on Outlook?


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Outlook 2021
Windows 10

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In article <MPG.3e6e73d74f938f598971b@news.eternal-september.org>, Jim the Geordie wrote...

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising
with Google Calendar on Outlook?

I use gSyncit. Works really well, but it wasn't free.

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Phil, London

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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way
synchronising with Google Calendar on Outlook?

It's been over 3 years since I last used Outlook, and back then I was
not synchronizing Outlook to my Google Calendar. I was already sync'ing
to my Hotmail calendar via EAS (Exchange ActiveSync). Exchange syncs on
mail, tasks, calendar, and contacts. I didn't another calendar. I did
find the following MS help article on keeping Outlook sync'ed with
Google Calendar.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126

Google does have their Calendar API which allows sync between client and server; however, the client has to support the API. The problem with
using the API is the client needs a Google account (project) to submit
requests through it, and accounts come with an initial quota. While the
quota seems big to a single user, it is not when considering thousands
of users will me issuing requests many times per day. The account owner
has to pay to get higher quotas. Not sure Microsoft wants to be paying
Google to get higher request quotas in a Google account to provide an
adequate daily quota that would be large enough to handle all Outlook
users. Exchange has the sync built in. Google requires using the API
(which was their solution to provide Exchange-like services). Else,
you're stuck using CalDAV which MS Outlook does not support, so you have
to install an add-on to it.

The above article lets you "see" your Google Calendar in MS Outlook.
Seeing is not having full access, like creating and adding events in
Outlook to get synchronized up to the server. As the article mentions:

Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren¢t sent to your Google Calendar.
To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar from a browser.

So, to do full sync (2-ways), you have to install an add-on into
Outlook. Microsoft is skewed to using Exchange for full-sync on mail,
tasks, calendar, and contacts. Although other e-mail provider can
provide EAS access to your online account, Google refuses to pay
Microsoft for an Exchange license, and Microsoft refuses to pay Google
for a decent size request quota in a Google account.

That's for a free Google account. For G-Suite users, there is a sync
utility provided by Google.

https://www.slipstick.com/outlook/sync-outlook/sync-google-calendar-outlook/ Microsoft is working on a "Microsoft Cloud" solution that will sync
Gmail calendar & Contacts to Outlook using a Microsoft Exchange account.
It is available in Outlook 2016 for Mac and the Outlook app for
smartphones but is not yet available in Outlook for Windows.

I've not heard of Microsoft's "cloud" solution, but I do use their
Outlook app on my Android smartphone. However, again, I'm only using Microsoft's Calendar which is accessible via EAS. I've been using
Microsoft's services long before Gmail decided to copy them.

In the slipstick article, "Do you need a solution to sync Outlook and
Gmail Calendar and Contacts when Gmail ends ActiveSync?" Apparently
Google did have EAS support to Gmail, but dropped it.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-drops-exchange-activesync-support-for-free-email-accounts/

That was 10 years ago. Guess free EAS access to calendar and contacts
was biting into their revenue from their G-Suite products (Google Apps
renamed to G-Suite renamed to Google Workspace). Google Workspace is a
payware subscription:

https://workspace.google.com/pricing.html

At $72/year for a 1-year subscription, it's pricey for non-business use.
So, you're stuck trying to find a far more cost efficient solution which
is an add-on to Outlook. The slipstick article mentions some. I didn't
bother checking which are freeware and which are payware. The gSyncIt
add-on that Philip mention costs $20 (not subscriptionware).

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Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising
with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google Calender Url>
- Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from the
online Google Calender features.


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In article <tu2vba$1ee08$2@dont-email.me>, winstonmvp@gmail.com says...

Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google Calender Url>
- Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from the
online Google Calender features.

Not two-way.
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In article <xelofmz9uivw$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, V@nguard.LH says...

Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way
synchronising with Google Calendar on Outlook?

It's been over 3 years since I last used Outlook, and back then I was
not synchronizing Outlook to my Google Calendar. I was already sync'ing
to my Hotmail calendar via EAS (Exchange ActiveSync). Exchange syncs on mail, tasks, calendar, and contacts. I didn't another calendar. I did
find the following MS help article on keeping Outlook sync'ed with
Google Calendar.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126

Google does have their Calendar API which allows sync between client and server; however, the client has to support the API. The problem with
using the API is the client needs a Google account (project) to submit requests through it, and accounts come with an initial quota. While the quota seems big to a single user, it is not when considering thousands
of users will me issuing requests many times per day. The account owner
has to pay to get higher quotas. Not sure Microsoft wants to be paying Google to get higher request quotas in a Google account to provide an adequate daily quota that would be large enough to handle all Outlook
users. Exchange has the sync built in. Google requires using the API
(which was their solution to provide Exchange-like services). Else,
you're stuck using CalDAV which MS Outlook does not support, so you have
to install an add-on to it.

The above article lets you "see" your Google Calendar in MS Outlook.
Seeing is not having full access, like creating and adding events in
Outlook to get synchronized up to the server. As the article mentions:

Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren?t sent to your Google Calendar.
To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar from a browser.

So, to do full sync (2-ways), you have to install an add-on into
Outlook. Microsoft is skewed to using Exchange for full-sync on mail,
tasks, calendar, and contacts. Although other e-mail provider can
provide EAS access to your online account, Google refuses to pay
Microsoft for an Exchange license, and Microsoft refuses to pay Google
for a decent size request quota in a Google account.

That's for a free Google account. For G-Suite users, there is a sync
utility provided by Google.

https://www.slipstick.com/outlook/sync-outlook/sync-google-calendar-outlook/ Microsoft is working on a "Microsoft Cloud" solution that will sync
Gmail calendar & Contacts to Outlook using a Microsoft Exchange account.
It is available in Outlook 2016 for Mac and the Outlook app for

So that's a yes to my question as I don't have an Exchange account.

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"...w¡ñ§±¤ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising
with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google Calender Url>
- Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from the
online Google Calender features.

Alas, that is 1-way sync: from server down to client. In Outlook, you
get to /see/ the events in the Google Calendar, but you cannot create or
edit them to get those changes up to the server. Microsoft noted 1-way
sync in:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126
Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren’t sent to your Google
Calendar. To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar from a
browser.

MS Outlook does not support Google's APIs to provide Exchange-like synchronization. MS Outlook does not support CalDAV, and needs an
add-on for that.

The OP said "(free)" which indicates he wants a free add-on, but being parenthesized could mean he would accept payware add-ons, too. He's
been given lots of candidates for both free and payware CalDAV add-ons.
He also never mentioned why the one he is using now is insufficient, so
we don't know what it didn't do that another add-on might.

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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

V@nguard.LH SAID (not says) ...

Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way
synchronising with Google Calendar on Outlook?

...

So that's a yes to my question as I don't have an Exchange account.

Nope. The answer to /your/ question is both yes and no.

Yes, for Outlook, an add-on is needed to add CalDAV support.

No, Caldav Synchronizer is not the only CalDAV add-on to Outlook. Your "(free)" means optional, not required; however, that add-on is not the
only free CalDAV add-on for Outlook. Now /you/ do the research on which
ones are free. There are free ones mentioned in the slipstick article.

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VanguardLH wrote on 3/5/2023 5:59 PM:

"...w¡ñ§±¤ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising
with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google Calender Url>
- Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from the
online Google Calender features.

Alas, that is 1-way sync: from server down to client. In Outlook, you
get to /see/ the events in the Google Calendar, but you cannot create or
edit them to get those changes up to the server. Microsoft noted 1-way
sync in:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126
Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren’t sent to your Google
Calendar. To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar from a
browser.

MS Outlook does not support Google's APIs to provide Exchange-like synchronization. MS Outlook does not support CalDAV, and needs an
add-on for that.

The OP said "(free)" which indicates he wants a free add-on, but being parenthesized could mean he would accept payware add-ons, too. He's
been given lots of candidates for both free and payware CalDAV add-ons.
He also never mentioned why the one he is using now is insufficient, so
we don't know what it didn't do that another add-on might.

Iirc the only MSFT product that works 2-ways (Entry local or online and
sync up-down) is Windows 10/11 included Mail client.
- granted the Calendar is unique to the email account setup in W10/11
Mail app, but it is free, but easily switchable between/amongst calendars.


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...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

VanguardLH wrote on 3/5/2023 5:59 PM:

"...w¡ñ§±¤ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising >>>> with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google Calender

   - Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from the
online Google Calender features.

Alas, that is 1-way sync: from server down to client.  In Outlook, you
get to /see/ the events in the Google Calendar, but you cannot create or
edit them to get those changes up to the server.  Microsoft noted 1-way
sync in:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126

   Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren’t sent to your Google
   Calendar. To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar from a >>    browser.

MS Outlook does not support Google's APIs to provide Exchange-like
synchronization.  MS Outlook does not support CalDAV, and needs an
add-on for that.

The OP said "(free)" which indicates he wants a free add-on, but being
parenthesized could mean he would accept payware add-ons, too.  He's
been given lots of candidates for both free and payware CalDAV add-ons.
He also never mentioned why the one he is using now is insufficient, so
we don't know what it didn't do that another add-on might.

Iirc the only MSFT product that works 2-ways (Entry local or online and
sync up-down) is Windows 10/11 included Mail client.
 - granted the Calendar is unique to the email account setup in W10/11
Mail app, but it is free, but easily switchable between/amongst calendars.

I use
Outlook4Gmail
see
https://outlook4gmail.scand.com/download/

Jim

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In article <tu49b1$1l2b9$1@dont-email.me>, winstonmvp@gmail.com says...

VanguardLH wrote on 3/5/2023 5:59 PM:

"...w¡ñ§±?ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising >>> with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google Calender Url> >> - Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from the
online Google Calender features.

Alas, that is 1-way sync: from server down to client. In Outlook, you
get to /see/ the events in the Google Calendar, but you cannot create or edit them to get those changes up to the server. Microsoft noted 1-way sync in:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126
Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren?t sent to your Google
Calendar. To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar from a
browser.

MS Outlook does not support Google's APIs to provide Exchange-like synchronization. MS Outlook does not support CalDAV, and needs an
add-on for that.

The OP said "(free)" which indicates he wants a free add-on, but being parenthesized could mean he would accept payware add-ons, too. He's
been given lots of candidates for both free and payware CalDAV add-ons.
He also never mentioned why the one he is using now is insufficient, so
we don't know what it didn't do that another add-on might.

Iirc the only MSFT product that works 2-ways (Entry local or online and
sync up-down) is Windows 10/11 included Mail client.
- granted the Calendar is unique to the email account setup in W10/11
Mail app, but it is free, but easily switchable between/amongst calendars.

The reason I use Google and not outlook calendar is that Outlook on
android does not like notifications on IMAP accounts and despite much
searching I have never found a way round that, including contacting MS.
One the other hand I do not use Gmail on android is that neither allow
polling intervals less than 15 minutes.

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Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

In article <tu49b1$1l2b9$1@dont-email.me>, winstonmvp@gmail.com says...

VanguardLH wrote on 3/5/2023 5:59 PM:

"...w¡ñ§±?ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way synchronising >>>>> with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google Calender Url> >>>> - Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from the
online Google Calender features.

Alas, that is 1-way sync: from server down to client. In Outlook, you
get to /see/ the events in the Google Calendar, but you cannot create or >>> edit them to get those changes up to the server. Microsoft noted 1-way
sync in:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126
Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren?t sent to your Google
Calendar. To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar from a >>> browser.

MS Outlook does not support Google's APIs to provide Exchange-like
synchronization. MS Outlook does not support CalDAV, and needs an
add-on for that.

The OP said "(free)" which indicates he wants a free add-on, but being
parenthesized could mean he would accept payware add-ons, too. He's
been given lots of candidates for both free and payware CalDAV add-ons.
He also never mentioned why the one he is using now is insufficient, so
we don't know what it didn't do that another add-on might.

Iirc the only MSFT product that works 2-ways (Entry local or online and
sync up-down) is Windows 10/11 included Mail client.
- granted the Calendar is unique to the email account setup in W10/11
Mail app, but it is free, but easily switchable between/amongst calendars.

The reason I use Google and not outlook calendar is that Outlook on
android does not like notifications on IMAP accounts and despite much searching I have never found a way round that, including contacting MS.
One the other hand I do not use Gmail on android is that neither allow polling intervals less than 15 minutes.

I don't know what is "does not like notifications on IMAP accounts". I
have the Outlook for Android app polling 3 accounts: Hotmail (EAS),
Gmail (cloud to Google Mail API), and my ISP (IMAP). I get new-mail notifications on each. I only subscribe to MS Calendar (under my
Hotmail account), so I don't know if you mean you don't get
notifications for calendar events on non-MS accounts.

IMAP has never supported anything other than e-mail. There is no
support for contacts or calendar sync under the IMAP protocol.

Outlook for Android lets you select only 1 calendar account. I picked
Hotmail. I could pick Gmail. I think they can be merged. When looking
at Calendar, and tap on the upper left calendar icon, I can pick which calendars to view (in the one view of calendars). Currently I only have Hotmail's calendar selected, but I could select Gmail's calendar, too.
I recall doing that in the past. However, I saw duplicate events
because I was synchronizing my Google and MS calendars until I decided
to drop Google's calendar. Those calendar syncs are not using IMAP.

The one IMAP account that I have is with my ISP. They don't support an
API (yet someone else with an API to support) to their calendar or
contacts, and they don't support CalDAV, so my ISP is not listed as a
source for a calendar in the list of those I can select to view in
Outlook's calendar.

After adding an account to Outlook for Android, is your IMAP provider
shown in the list of calendar sources from which you can select to merge
into Outlook's calendar?

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Jim Dell <Jim.Dell@gmail.com> wrote:

I use Outlook4Gmail
see https://outlook4gmail.scand.com/download/

https://outlook4gmail.scand.com/features/

Calendar sync, which the OP wants, is not included in the free version.
The full version costs $30 which does have calendar sync.

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VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:mtxeg17zpjoz.dlg@v.nguard.lh:

Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

In article <tu49b1$1l2b9$1@dont-email.me>, winstonmvp@gmail.com
says...

VanguardLH wrote on 3/5/2023 5:59 PM:

"...w¡ñ§±?ñ " <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Jim the Geordie wrote on 3/5/2023 2:40 AM:

Is Caldav Synchronizer the only (free) way to get two way
synchronising with Google Calendar on Outlook?

Subscribe to the Google calendar *.ics url in Outlook.
Outlook/File/Account Settings/Internet Calendar/New/<Google
Calender Url>
- Note: Obtain the Url for the Google calendar ics format from
the
online Google Calender features.

Alas, that is 1-way sync: from server down to client. In Outlook,
you get to /see/ the events in the Google Calendar, but you cannot
create or edit them to get those changes up to the server.
Microsoft noted 1-way sync in:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/see-your-google-calendar-
in-outlook-c1dab514-0ad4-4811-824a-7d02c5e77126
Note: Changes you make in Outlook aren?t sent to your Google
Calendar. To update your Google calendar, open Google Calendar
from a browser.

MS Outlook does not support Google's APIs to provide Exchange-like
synchronization. MS Outlook does not support CalDAV, and needs an
add-on for that.

The OP said "(free)" which indicates he wants a free add-on, but
being parenthesized could mean he would accept payware add-ons,
too. He's been given lots of candidates for both free and payware
CalDAV add-ons. He also never mentioned why the one he is using now
is insufficient, so we don't know what it didn't do that another
add-on might.

Iirc the only MSFT product that works 2-ways (Entry local or online
and sync up-down) is Windows 10/11 included Mail client.
- granted the Calendar is unique to the email account setup in
W10/11
Mail app, but it is free, but easily switchable between/amongst
calendars.

The reason I use Google and not outlook calendar is that Outlook on
android does not like notifications on IMAP accounts and despite much
searching I have never found a way round that, including contacting
MS. One the other hand I do not use Gmail on android is that neither
allow polling intervals less than 15 minutes.

I don't know what is "does not like notifications on IMAP accounts".
I have the Outlook for Android app polling 3 accounts: Hotmail (EAS),
Gmail (cloud to Google Mail API), and my ISP (IMAP). I get new-mail notifications on each. I only subscribe to MS Calendar (under my
Hotmail account), so I don't know if you mean you don't get
notifications for calendar events on non-MS accounts.

IMAP has never supported anything other than e-mail. There is no
support for contacts or calendar sync under the IMAP protocol.

Outlook for Android lets you select only 1 calendar account. I picked Hotmail. I could pick Gmail. I think they can be merged. When
looking at Calendar, and tap on the upper left calendar icon, I can
pick which calendars to view (in the one view of calendars).
Currently I only have Hotmail's calendar selected, but I could select
Gmail's calendar, too. I recall doing that in the past. However, I
saw duplicate events because I was synchronizing my Google and MS
calendars until I decided to drop Google's calendar. Those calendar
syncs are not using IMAP.

The one IMAP account that I have is with my ISP. They don't support
an API (yet someone else with an API to support) to their calendar or contacts, and they don't support CalDAV, so my ISP is not listed as a
source for a calendar in the list of those I can select to view in
Outlook's calendar.

After adding an account to Outlook for Android, is your IMAP provider
shown in the list of calendar sources from which you can select to
merge into Outlook's calendar?

Forgetting the Calendar problem for the moment. The reason I don't use
Outlook on my Samsung Android is that I cannot get notifications on
either of my IMAP accounts. It seems I am not alone as there are several suggestions on the web, to solve what seems to be a common problem. None
of these work for me. Symptoms: installed IMAP email account - go to
account - click on (?) which takes you to Help and feedback - click
'test push notifications' - ERROR MESAGE 'An error ocurred. Please
contact support for assistance'. If it is any help, if I delete both my
IMAP accounts and leave my Gmail account, then the notifications work
fine.

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