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    From scbs29@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 11:52:12 2023
    Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
    TIA
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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 07:46:34 2023
    On 3/3/2023 6:52 AM, scbs29 wrote:
    Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
    TIA


    https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-to-uninstall-microsoft-edge/

    setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall

    That is a standard technique for Chrome or Chromium browser.
    There is a setup.exe next to a 150MB .zip file (you see only
    two files in the folder). The setup.exe uses the contents of
    the .zip file, for install or uninstall.

    This is not particularly a Windows way of doing things. That ZIP file.

    Also, the syntax of the command, varies with product. Chrome
    and Chromium don't use exactly the same command.

    *******

    So that uninstalls "msedge.exe" the browser.

    But it does not uninstall “Microsoft Edge WebView2”, which
    should be a separate piece of software, and the OS uses that.
    While you would think that was only for help files (the
    successor to .chm), it can also be doing graphics for
    applications or the like.

    I don't know the story on the rest of it.

    Can a Windows Update bring in yet another MSEdge package ?

    https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-update-policies#microsoft-edge-webview-policies

    I would think something like a 22H2 major update would
    bring in a fresh copy. But you can use GRC InControl, to
    prevent delivery on Microsofts schedule.

    For Windows 10, the job does not look too bad. But
    my biggest fear would be missing a detail, and it comes back.
    You don't want things like this to drag on, because it
    weakens your resolve.

    https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-uninstall-microsoft-edge

    Paul

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/03/2023 11:52, scbs29 wrote:<br>
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    <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
    TIA
    </pre>
    </blockquote>
    By default Edge should never start at boot up. How did this happen
    on your machine?.<br>
    <br>
    To answer your question directly, NO it won't cause any problems as
    long as you decide to madly remove the edge from your machine. DON'T
    REMOVE edge from your machine but you can stop it from starting at
    boot up. <br>
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    Hope this answers your question directly and to the point.<br>
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    <q>So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.</q>
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 18:15:08 2023
    scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
    Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
    TIA

    No(answer to your Q)

    You can disable Edge on Startup.
    - Edge's Settings/System/
    => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
    extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
    Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's Default Apps.
    Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'



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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Mar 3 18:20:40 2023
    Paul wrote on 3/3/2023 5:46 AM:

    Can a Windows Update bring in yet another MSEdge package ?

    Edge still updates after a feature update in the background or on use.
    Since installers are point in time code(e.g. 22H2 upgrade or clean
    install is code released/signed off prior to 22H2 release last fall)
    - i.e. an outdated version that will be updated after initial logon.


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  • From Fokke Nauta@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 16:28:44 2023
    On 03/03/2023 12:52, scbs29 wrote:
    Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is this likely to cause any problems ?
    TIA

    No, not at all.

    Fokke Nauta

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  • From DanS@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 13 14:25:51 2023
    =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
    wrote in news:ttu62t$pa7m$1@dont-email.me:

    scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
    Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is
    this likely to cause any problems ? TIA

    No(answer to your Q)

    You can disable Edge on Startup.
    - Edge's Settings/System/
    => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
    extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
    Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's
    Default Apps. Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'

    -"Continue running background extensions/apps when Edge is closed"

    Almost as stupid a default setting as Explorer's "Hide Extensions of Known Filetypes"

    When I close Edge, I'm done with it, close it. WTF?! (Not my main browser.)

    ...otherwise, what, leave 20 (or more) edge processes runnig the background with crash
    after crash of the extensions/plugins that affect the entire PC when it comes out of sleep,
    and is nearly unusable?

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to DanS on Tue Mar 14 12:39:35 2023
    DanS wrote on 3/13/2023 7:25 AM:
    =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
    wrote in news:ttu62t$pa7m$1@dont-email.me:

    scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
    Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is
    this likely to cause any problems ? TIA

    No(answer to your Q)

    You can disable Edge on Startup.
    - Edge's Settings/System/
    => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
    extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
    Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's
    Default Apps. Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'

    -"Continue running background extensions/apps when Edge is closed"

    Almost as stupid a default setting as Explorer's "Hide Extensions of Known Filetypes"

    When I close Edge, I'm done with it, close it. WTF?! (Not my main browser.)

    ...otherwise, what, leave 20 (or more) edge processes runnig the background with crash
    after crash of the extensions/plugins that affect the entire PC when it comes out of sleep,
    and is nearly unusable?


    Yes, the option can be disabled too, even though not directly related to
    the op question.
    - i.e. Does removing Edge from Startup options at boot(really Windows loading, the boot process is complete before startup items load) cause
    any problems.

    The processes running in the background are more related to apps that use
    Edge code, not Startup.

    Extensions are end-user installed options
    - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
    features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.


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  • From knuttle@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 14 16:53:47 2023
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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to knuttle on Tue Mar 14 14:47:03 2023
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:53:47 -0400, knuttle wrote:
    On 3/14/2023 3:39 PM, ...w񧱤 wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.


    I have Firefox set as my default browser, and have never run Edge.

    I just checked the Task Manager.

    In the Services; there are two Edge identified operations Edgeupdate and edgeupdatem.

    I have the same two, marked "Stopped". Services.msc shows both of
    them as Microsoft Edge Update Service, and adds a third: Microsoft
    Edge Elevation Service. edgeupdate is marked Automatic and the other
    two are marked Manual, but none of the three are actually running.
    (All three have a dependency on Remote Procedure Call, which is
    disturbing from a security standpoint.)

    MicrosoftEdgeElevationService -- "Description: Keeps Microsoft Edge
    up to update. If this service is disabled, the application will not
    be kept up to date."

    So Edge needs not one, not two, but THREE services to keep it
    updated. Good old Microsoft!

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Wed Mar 15 11:24:31 2023
    On 3/14/2023 5:47 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:53:47 -0400, knuttle wrote:
    On 3/14/2023 3:39 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
     - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
    features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.


    I have Firefox set as my default browser, and have never run Edge.

    I just checked the Task Manager.

    In the Services; there are two Edge identified operations Edgeupdate and
    edgeupdatem.

    I have the same two, marked "Stopped". Services.msc shows both of
    them as Microsoft Edge Update Service, and adds a third: Microsoft
    Edge Elevation Service. edgeupdate is marked Automatic and the other
    two are marked Manual, but none of the three are actually running.
    (All three have a dependency on Remote Procedure Call, which is
    disturbing from a security standpoint.)

    MicrosoftEdgeElevationService -- "Description: Keeps Microsoft Edge
    up to update. If this service is disabled, the application will not
    be kept up to date."

    So Edge needs not one, not two, but THREE services to keep it
    updated. Good old Microsoft!

    Everything depends on RPC. The OS cannot survive without it.

    Remote Procedure Calls have always been handling Local Procedure Calls,
    even back when we were making our own OS at work. There is no
    distinction between an RPC to 127.0.0.1 and an RPC to 192.168.0.2 .

    This has been around for a long time. And if anyone tells you "I invented that",
    chances are they're full of crap. When we put that in our OS, we "borrowed"
    the idea from someone else. (But they wouldn't tell me who.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_procedure_call

    "Request–response protocols date to early distributed computing in the late 1960s,
    theoretical proposals of remote procedure calls as the model of network
    operations date to the 1970s, and practical implementations date to the early 1980s."

    Today, if you wanted to slow it down, you could always add crypto.

    Paul

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to knuttle on Wed Mar 15 11:00:39 2023
    knuttle wrote on 3/14/2023 1:53 PM:
    On 3/14/2023 3:39 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
    DanS wrote on 3/13/2023 7:25 AM:
    =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
    wrote in news:ttu62t$pa7m$1@dont-email.me:

    scbs29 wrote on 3/3/2023 4:52 AM:
    Hello all
    If I remove Microsoft Edge from starting on boot up, is
    this likely to cause any problems ? TIA

    No(answer to your Q)

    You can disable Edge on Startup.
       - Edge's Settings/System/
       => Disable Startup Boost and Continue running background
    extensions/apps when Edge s closed.
    Ensure you set another browser as default in Win10/11's
    Default Apps. Don't disable the 3 Edge items in 'Services'

    -"Continue running background extensions/apps when Edge is closed"

    Almost as stupid a default setting as Explorer's "Hide Extensions of
    Known Filetypes"

    When I close Edge, I'm done with it, close it. WTF?! (Not my main
    browser.)

    ...otherwise, what, leave 20 (or more) edge processes runnig the
    background with crash
    after crash of the extensions/plugins that affect the entire PC when
    it comes out of sleep,
    and is nearly unusable?


    Yes, the option can be disabled too, even though not directly related
    to the op question.
      - i.e. Does removing Edge from Startup options at boot(really Windows
    loading, the boot process is complete before startup items load) cause
    any problems.

    The processes running in the background are more related to apps that
    use Edge code, not Startup.

    Extensions are end-user installed options
      - like any browser, ymmmv and use at your own risk. Eisable related
    features that use them has always been a clear path to instability.


    I have Firefox set as my default browser, and have never run Edge.

    I just checked the Task Manager.

    In the Services; there are two Edge identified operations Edgeupdate and edgeupdatem.

    There are no Edge identified programs in the Start up

    and App History has Edge Identified but there is no activity noted

    Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the
    default browser or not.

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 15 14:55:31 2023
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:00:39 -0700, ...w񧱤 wrote:
    Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the default browser or not.

    Which applications would those be, pray tell?

    --
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    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Thu Mar 16 05:43:06 2023
    On 3/15/2023 5:55 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:00:39 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
    Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the
    default browser or not.

    Which applications would those be, pray tell?


    It is not likely a reliance on MSEdge.exe as a runtime, but a reliance
    on WebView2 which you see running occasionally. The identifier string here "yxz26nhyzhsrt" hints it is third party, but it did not remain third-party for long.
    Microsoft has two of those strings that it normally stamps its Apps with. The DLL would communicate with WebView2, but that file is too small to be a web engine itself.

    https://venturebeat.com/business/microsoft-acquires-web-based-video-editor-clipchamp/

    File 3023 \PROGRA~1\WindowsApps\CLIPCH~2.0_N\CLIPCH~1.CLI\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll

    C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Clipchamp.Clipchamp_2.5.15.0_neutral__yxz26nhyzhsrt\Clipchamp\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll

    News and Interests ("Widgets") could be running off that.
    As an example of a "suspected customer". Which means it is
    also possible someone could craft some other Widget-class item.

    But it is also possible for a developer to pack their own
    engine. I believe there is a Chrome engine you can get
    for such things (the byte count might be 20% of a full browser).
    If you pack your own engine, then the application you wrote,
    won't break after a Windows Update or a Windows Upgrade.

    Paul

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Mar 17 02:27:53 2023
    Paul wrote on 3/16/2023 2:43 AM:
    On 3/15/2023 5:55 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:00:39 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
    Normal, Window includes applications that rely on Edge whether its the
    default browser or not.

    Which applications would those be, pray tell?


    It is not likely a reliance on MSEdge.exe as a runtime, but a reliance
    on WebView2 which you see running occasionally. The identifier string here "yxz26nhyzhsrt" hints it is third party, but it did not remain
    third-party for long.
    Microsoft has two of those strings that it normally stamps its Apps with.
    The
    DLL would communicate with WebView2, but that file is too small to be a web engine itself.

    https://venturebeat.com/business/microsoft-acquires-web-based-video-editor-clipchamp/


    File 3023 \PROGRA~1\WindowsApps\CLIPCH~2.0_N\CLIPCH~1.CLI\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll


    C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\Clipchamp.Clipchamp_2.5.15.0_neutral__yxz26nhyzhsrt\Clipchamp\Microsoft.Web.WebView2.Core.dll


    News and Interests ("Widgets") could be running off that.
    As an example of a "suspected customer". Which  means it is
    also possible someone could craft some other Widget-class item.

    But it is also possible for a developer to pack their own
    engine. I believe there is a Chrome engine you can get
    for such things (the byte count might be 20% of a full browser).
    If you pack your own engine, then the application you wrote,
    won't break after a Windows Update or a Windows Upgrade.

       Paul

    Webview2 uses Edge's rendering engine.
    Apps that integrate/need the internet or integrate with online MSFT services/features(like OneDrive, Photos, Cortana, Maps, maybe even the
    Clock app if Spotify app is configured for use with Clock, etc.) come to mind

    The under-the-hood cross application sharing is quite significant.

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