T'bird is simply the vehicle to deliver/process your mail -- uninstalling/re-installing won't change anything.
I don't really understand where Thunderbird stores stuff so can I ask
if this is the procedure which is the best to use to safe all the email?
Thus, it's *likely* gmail's limit, Shirley?
Go into gmail's *All Mail* label (it is NOT a *folder*) and do major surgery/deletion. *All Mail* tracks/saves everything.
It might be easier to deal with that by accessing the account via
webmail, i.e. browser.
on Thunderbird 110.0b4 (64-bit) and it is STILL hanging.go to C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
So basically you don't like Thunderbird, and don't like it that
Thunderbird, perform well and fulfills the needs of 95% of its user.
I now notice this query is basically a repeat of one two weeks ago...
with no real agreement from you on whether suggestions works/failed.
On 2/22/2023 7:58 PM, mike wrote:
on Thunderbird 110.0b4 (64-bit) and it is STILL hanging.go to C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird
and copy the folder PROFILE and the file PROFILE.INI to a folder where
they are safe.
uninstall Thunderbird from the Control panel and delete the Thunderbird folder C:\Program Files\Mozilla Thunderbird and the C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird.
I'm frustrated. How can I best wipe out thunderbird without losing all my email?If you have IMAP then all of your email is stored on Googles Server. All you need to do is make your Imap account in
Thunderbird is hanging every time it's run. https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
I deleted the old Thunderbird that was hanging every time it was run.
I downloaded the very latest version of Thunderbird & re-installed it.
Thunderbird was STILL hanging every time it's run. https://i.postimg.cc/cCFV7ZHy/tbhanging.jpg
I deleted that latest version and downloaded & installed the beta version. Now I'm on Thunderbird 110.0b4 (64-bit) and it is STILL hanging.
I give up in frustration.
All I want to do is NOT have Thunderbird hang.
But I'm not a developer so I'm not going to debug it.
Given I use GMail and that I have 15GB of email in the IMAP server (Google keeps complaining it's almost full), what is the most graceful way to wipe out more than I did when I simply uninstalled and re-installed Thunderbird?
I don't really understand where Thunderbird stores stuff so can I ask if this is the procedure which is the best to use
to safe all the email?
(1) Find where the Thunderbird data directory currently resides on drive D:
Thunderbird: Settings > Account Settings > Server Settings > Message Storage > Local Directory
(2) Make a copy of that old drive D: thunderbird data directory copy D:\tb-data-directory F:\archive\tb-data-directory
(3) Make a new (empty) thunderbird data directory (wherever you want it).
mkdir D:\email\thunderbird\data\Gmail-Account-1
(4) Install Thunderbird using these settings
check the "Custom" box and put it where it should go for you
uncheck the "Install Maintenance Service" box
check the "Use Thunderbird as my default mail application" box
(5) Start Thunderbird
Create Profile
Name = Profile_starting_February_24_2023
I may take someone up on the advice to use portable thunderbird since I don't ever let any app put any data on the C:
drive nor do I let any app install into the C: program files directory.
If you have IMAP then all of your email is stored on Googles Server. All you need to do is make your Imap account in
the new TB and TB will download all google folders, inbox,trash,junk, etc etc.
Local Folders in your old profile can be copied to the same place in the new profile. Do This while TB is closed.
Add-ons can be installed manually.
This should get you 95% there. Custom settings are hard to cherry pick and move over.
On 23-02-2023 09:52 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
If you have IMAP then all of your email is stored on Googles Server. All you need to do is make your Imap account in the new TB and TB will download all google folders, inbox,trash,junk, etc etc.
Local Folders in your old profile can be copied to the same place in the new profile. Do This while TB is closed.
Add-ons can be installed manually.
This should get you 95% there. Custom settings are hard to cherry pick and move over.
I'm going to do it tomorrow so thanks for the heads up where I agree with
you that Thunderbird probably 'should' download all the stored IMAP
messages that are on the Google servers (all 15GB of it).
The TB data folder on the D: drive finally finished seven-zipping (*.7z). My current plan (which can change) is to use the portable tb version.
That way I'm told it will not splash crap all over the Windows filesystem.
All I want is to put thunderbird executables in C:\programs\tb
and then to put the thunderbird "data" and "settings" in D:\mail\tb
which I think is controlled by Thunderbird: Settings > Account Settings > Server Settings > Message Storage > Local Directory
However, it seems Thunderbird scatters crap all over the filesystem.
For example, I only just today found out that thunderbird puts garbage in
the Microsoft stupid location of c:\users\mike\appdata\roaming\thunderbird which is just about the dumbest place you can store stuff for a single-user computer. https://i.postimg.cc/jS4yt809/roaming.jpg
Is there any other folder I need to back up than those two?
Where is the Google authentication stored? (I use web oauth, not a phone!)
Do I need to back up the Google webauth files somewhere?
Where does Thunderbird put them so I don't have to do it all over again?
On 23-02-2023 08:18 knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:
So I don't really have much of a choice other than Thunderbird, but it
works ok except that I have to turn off all the web garbage in TB.
Other than the web garbage, thunderbird is fine, and besides, I don't have much choice since not many MUAs work well with Google authentication
lately.
My needs are simple. Read and write Google email. Without the web garbage. Just text.
There *is* stuff in the AppData\Thunderbird hierarchy!
There shouldn't be anything there since I didn't put it there.
mike wrote:
There *is* stuff in the AppData\Thunderbird hierarchy!
There shouldn't be anything there since I didn't put it there.
That is where thunderbird puts *everything*
I would agree with most of keith's recommendations, except I wouldn't be
in a rush to reconnect the 15GB gmail account, it might not be what you
want long term, but just use their webmail for a few days to read email.
The way gmail works is (despite what it looks like) everything is in one giant inbox, there might be one item, or the total number of items
that's choking TB, create an throwaway gmail account and use that for
testing first.
On 23-02-2023 09:52 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:
If you have IMAP then all of your email is stored on Googles Server.
All you need to do is make your Imap account in the new TB and TB will
download all google folders, inbox,trash,junk, etc etc.
Local Folders in your old profile can be copied to the same place in
the new profile. Do This while TB is closed.
Add-ons can be installed manually.
This should get you 95% there. Custom settings are hard to cherry
pick and move over.
I'm going to do it tomorrow so thanks for the heads up where I agree with
you that Thunderbird probably 'should' download all the stored IMAP
messages that are on the Google servers (all 15GB of it).
The TB data folder on the D: drive finally finished seven-zipping
(*.7z). My current plan (which can change) is to use the portable tb
version.
That way I'm told it will not splash crap all over the Windows filesystem.
Andy Burns wrote:
mike wrote:
There *is* stuff in the AppData\Thunderbird hierarchy!
There shouldn't be anything there since I didn't put it there.
That is where thunderbird puts *everything*
I would agree with most of keith's recommendations, except I wouldn't
be in a rush to reconnect the 15GB gmail account, it might not be what
you want long term, but just use their webmail for a few days to read
email.
The way gmail works is (despite what it looks like) everything is in
one giant inbox, there might be one item, or the total number of items
that's choking TB, create an throwaway gmail account and use that for
testing first.
The problem is almost certainly the 15GB in the gmail account. Any mail client faced with connecting to that will stall for a long time - many
hours, or perhaps days. It will appear to be "hanging".
The problem is almost certainly the 15GB in the gmail account.
On 23/02/2023 23:10, Graham J wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:Doubtful. I have 10G+ in my Panda-IMAP hierarchy, Thunderbird (and BetterBird) have no trouble with it.
mike wrote:
There *is* stuff in the AppData\Thunderbird hierarchy!
There shouldn't be anything there since I didn't put it there.
That is where thunderbird puts *everything*
I would agree with most of keith's recommendations, except I wouldn't
be in a rush to reconnect the 15GB gmail account, it might not be
what you want long term, but just use their webmail for a few days to
read email.
The way gmail works is (despite what it looks like) everything is in
one giant inbox, there might be one item, or the total number of
items that's choking TB, create an throwaway gmail account and use
that for testing first.
The problem is almost certainly the 15GB in the gmail account. Any
mail client faced with connecting to that will stall for a long time -
many hours, or perhaps days. It will appear to be "hanging".
I might have argued with the gmail designers about IMAP-y things,
usually on Mark's side, but they aren't *that* incompetent.
I'm frustrated.
How can I best wipe out thunderbird without losing all my email?
Thunderbird is hanging every time it's run. https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
I deleted the old Thunderbird that was hanging every time it was run.
I downloaded the very latest version of Thunderbird & re-installed it.
On 23-02-2023 09:52 Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:Setting up a profile.ini manually is a sketchy task.
If you have IMAP then all of your email is stored on Googles Server. All you need to do is make your Imap account in
the new TB and TB will download all google folders, inbox,trash,junk, etc etc.
Local Folders in your old profile can be copied to the same place in the new profile. Do This while TB is closed.
Add-ons can be installed manually.
This should get you 95% there. Custom settings are hard to cherry pick and move over.
I'm going to do it tomorrow so thanks for the heads up where I agree with
you that Thunderbird probably 'should' download all the stored IMAP
messages that are on the Google servers (all 15GB of it).
The TB data folder on the D: drive finally finished seven-zipping (*.7z). My current plan (which can change) is to use
the portable tb version.
That way I'm told it will not splash crap all over the Windows filesystem.
All I want is to put thunderbird executables in C:\programs\tb
and then to put the thunderbird "data" and "settings" in D:\mail\tb
which I think is controlled by Thunderbird: Settings > Account Settings > Server Settings > Message Storage > Local Directory
However, it seems Thunderbird scatters crap all over the filesystem.
For example, I only just today found out that thunderbird puts garbage in
the Microsoft stupid location of c:\users\mike\appdata\roaming\thunderbird which is just about the dumbest place you can store stuff for a single-user computer. https://i.postimg.cc/jS4yt809/roaming.jpg
Is there any other folder I need to back up than those two?
Where is the Google authentication stored? (I use web oauth, not a phone!)
Do I need to back up the Google webauth files somewhere?
Where does Thunderbird put them so I don't have to do it all over again?
There *is* stuff in the AppData\Thunderbird hierarchy!
There shouldn't be anything there since I didn't put it there.
That is where thunderbird puts *everything*
I would agree with most of keith's recommendations, except I wouldn't be
in a rush to reconnect the 15GB gmail account, it might not be what you
want long term, but just use their webmail for a few days to read email.
The way gmail works is (despite what it looks like) everything is in one giant inbox, there might be one item, or the total number of items
that's choking TB, create an throwaway gmail account and use that for
testing first.
The problem is almost certainly the 15GB in the gmail account. Any mail client faced with connecting to that will stall for a long time many
hours, or perhaps days. It will appear to be "hanging".
What is your purpose in keeping all this email? This is a serious
question. Are you a lawyer who needs to keep everything?
Whatever, you need to get the volume of data stored in the gmail account
down to a few tens of MBytes and automatically archive or delete
anything old.
Andy Burns wrote:
mike wrote:
There *is* stuff in the AppData\Thunderbird hierarchy!
There shouldn't be anything there since I didn't put it there.
That is where thunderbird puts *everything*
I would agree with most of keith's recommendations, except I wouldn't be
in a rush to reconnect the 15GB gmail account, it might not be what you
want long term, but just use their webmail for a few days to read email.
The way gmail works is (despite what it looks like) everything is in one
giant inbox, there might be one item, or the total number of items
that's choking TB, create an throwaway gmail account and use that for
testing first.
The problem is almost certainly the 15GB in the gmail account. Any mail client faced with connecting to that will stall for a long time - many
hours, or perhaps days. It will appear to be "hanging".
Is there an easy way to set up mail tests without a bona fide email account to test it against?
On 23-02-2023 17:40 Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> wrote:
The problem is almost certainly the 15GB in the gmail account. Any mail
client faced with connecting to that will stall for a long time many
hours, or perhaps days. It will appear to be "hanging".
What is your purpose in keeping all this email? This is a serious
question. Are you a lawyer who needs to keep everything?
Well, the entire 15GB didn't happen all at once, but my main purpose is simply accidental in that it's what my email consists of.
And no, I'm not a lawyer. This is personal email where "some" of it I'd
want to save, but it would take a long time to weed through every message.
And no, I'm not a lawyer. This is personal email where "some" of it I'd
want to save, but it would take a long time to weed through every message.
Sorry, i really don't want to offend you. But for me that's a typical behavior
of a "messie". You wanted to save 'some' of these mails but now they grew
to the 15GB-limit of your gmail account and it's already too much for you
to 'weed' it out. You've lost the oversight.
If you don't start to delete many of those mails now, there will be a day when you can't receieve any new mails - just because the storage limit is reached.
This is no problem of thunderbird or any other software. It's a problem of your mindset.
just my 2 cent
On 2/23/2023 9:09 PM, Paul wrote:and also place an auto forward in your old account so new emails all go
On 2/23/2023 8:26 PM, mike wrote:why not just get another free GMail address for testing?
Is there an easy way to set up mail tests without a bona fide email
account
to test it against?
It's not an easy way exactly, but hmailserver for Windows is available.
https://www.hmailserver.com/
https://www.hmailserver.com/download
I have one in a VM right now, but it's broken because I cannot figure
out how to fix some certificate in it. It may be faster to reinstall
it or something.
You can automate the filling of the thing, via a scripted email session.
To put 15GB of messages into hmailserver, would take a script
which is 15GB in size. You can mechanically generate the script
with AWK or PERL. You don't type 15GB of crap. Just repeat
the same subsection of script thousands of times.
Mail servers do not process messages quickly, and this is not
as easy as the program simply "copying" the 15GB of stuff you
are shoving into it. It might take all night to eat that much.
This is why, in corporate setups, you have a hundred Exchange servers :-)
You need that just for the horsepower.
*******
Check the "News" and "Mail" folders in the profile folder.
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Limits_-_Thunderbird
Paul
On 2/23/2023 8:26 PM, mike wrote:why not just get another free GMail address for testing?
Is there an easy way to set up mail tests without a bona fide email
account
to test it against?
It's not an easy way exactly, but hmailserver for Windows is available.
https://www.hmailserver.com/
https://www.hmailserver.com/download
I have one in a VM right now, but it's broken because I cannot figure
out how to fix some certificate in it. It may be faster to reinstall
it or something.
You can automate the filling of the thing, via a scripted email session.
To put 15GB of messages into hmailserver, would take a script
which is 15GB in size. You can mechanically generate the script
with AWK or PERL. You don't type 15GB of crap. Just repeat
the same subsection of script thousands of times.
Mail servers do not process messages quickly, and this is not
as easy as the program simply "copying" the 15GB of stuff you
are shoving into it. It might take all night to eat that much.
This is why, in corporate setups, you have a hundred Exchange servers :-)
You need that just for the horsepower.
*******
Check the "News" and "Mail" folders in the profile folder.
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Limits_-_Thunderbird
Paul
Mail servers do not process messages quickly, and this is not
as easy as the program simply "copying" the 15GB of stuff you
are shoving into it. It might take all night to eat that much.
This is why, in corporate setups, you have a hundred Exchange servers :-)
You need that just for the horsepower.
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:09:23 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Mail servers do not process messages quickly, and this is not
as easy as the program simply "copying" the 15GB of stuff you
are shoving into it. It might take all night to eat that much.
This is why, in corporate setups, you have a hundred Exchange servers :-)
You need that just for the horsepower.
If it ever feels like there's a hundred Exchange servers, then my
colleagues and I have done something right when setting up the load
balancers that sit in front of the mail servers. The truth is, though, there's probably a lot fewer servers than you might think. For some
reason, management never likes to spend money on mail servers, beyond
the essentials. That's really why email is frequently slow, especially
during peak periods in the early morning as people are arriving to work,
and then again right after lunch as people are returning to their desks.
In between those times, the mail servers are usually only lightly
loaded.
If it's a greenfield situation where we're designing and building the
email architecture from scratch, we usually recommend a minimum of 2-3 servers for companies up to about 20k employees, 4-5 servers for 50k-60k employees, and then another server for every additional 10k employees.
Add a redundant pair, located at a backup facility, just in case.
Compare those numbers to the application servers, where the applications
are generating revenue, and you get pools with many more servers. You
always want to see pools with larger numbers of small servers, rather
than smaller pools of large servers. It's easier and more efficient to distribute the load across the server pool that way.
Worse, I've done a Google takeout but what comes back is either a bunch of 4GB files or a huge 15GB file, but it's in some incomprehensible format.
Graham J wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
mike wrote:
There *is* stuff in the AppData\Thunderbird hierarchy!
There shouldn't be anything there since I didn't put it there.
That is where thunderbird puts *everything*
I would agree with most of keith's recommendations, except I wouldn't be >>> in a rush to reconnect the 15GB gmail account, it might not be what you
want long term, but just use their webmail for a few days to read email. >>>
The way gmail works is (despite what it looks like) everything is in one >>> giant inbox, there might be one item, or the total number of items
that's choking TB, create an throwaway gmail account and use that for
testing first.
The problem is almost certainly the 15GB in the gmail account. Any mail
client faced with connecting to that will stall for a long time - many
hours, or perhaps days. It will appear to be "hanging".
On top of that mike is running Microsoft Defender which probably checks all of this 15GB-mess in realtime while connected.
Whatever, you need to get the volume of data stored in the gmail
account down to a few tens of MBytes and automatically archive or
delete anything old.
On 24-02-2023 07:52 Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> wrote:If you can get the IMAP email to download into TB, you can sort by sender or such and purge in large quantities. IIRC
And no, I'm not a lawyer. This is personal email where "some" of it I'dSorry, i really don't want to offend you. But for me that's a typical behavior
want to save, but it would take a long time to weed through every message. >>
of a "messie". You wanted to save 'some' of these mails but now they grew
to the 15GB-limit of your gmail account and it's already too much for you
to 'weed' it out. You've lost the oversight.
Yup. I'm not disagreeing that I'm a 'messie' in that the mail started years ago and just grew. Sort of like how bamboo grew past my neighbor's fence.
If you don't start to delete many of those mails now, there will be a day
when you can't receieve any new mails - just because the storage limit is
reached.
Yup. I know. I've known this for months. I made it worse by blind cc'ing myself on every mail I sent out too. I'm a messie. Shoot me. :)
This is no problem of thunderbird or any other software. It's a problem of >> your mindset.
just my 2 cent
Yup. But still, Thunderbird should handle the Google limits since I can't
be the only one who is using the full free limit of what Google provides.
I'm sure some people are paying for extended amounts so TB should do it.
BTW, I've been importing the Thunderbird into emClient for a while now. https://i.postimg.cc/GpRBB3zL/emclient.jpg
It's not clear to me, from the message, if it's waiting just for a
password, or if it's actually importing anything but I figured I'd try it
out since wasbit suggested it - and it's not necessarily off topic for this newsgroup because the first step is an import of "data & settings" from TB.
If it takes more than a few hours, then I'll have to kill it though.
But what I'd really want is a MUA that can read the Google takeout file!
On 2/23/2023 10:19 PM, Zaidy036 wrote:Would one of these help? <https://www.mailsware.com/blog/how-to-export-selected-emails-from-gmail/> <https://www.reddit.com/r/GMail/comments/e5yxo2/using_gmail_takeout_can_i_download_selected_date/>
On 2/23/2023 9:09 PM, Paul wrote:and also place an auto forward in your old account so new emails all go
On 2/23/2023 8:26 PM, mike wrote:why not just get another free GMail address for testing?
Is there an easy way to set up mail tests without a bona fide email
account
to test it against?
It's not an easy way exactly, but hmailserver for Windows is available.
https://www.hmailserver.com/
https://www.hmailserver.com/download
I have one in a VM right now, but it's broken because I cannot figure
out how to fix some certificate in it. It may be faster to reinstall
it or something.
You can automate the filling of the thing, via a scripted email session. >>>
To put 15GB of messages into hmailserver, would take a script
which is 15GB in size. You can mechanically generate the script
with AWK or PERL. You don't type 15GB of crap. Just repeat
the same subsection of script thousands of times.
Mail servers do not process messages quickly, and this is not
as easy as the program simply "copying" the 15GB of stuff you
are shoving into it. It might take all night to eat that much.
This is why, in corporate setups, you have a hundred Exchange servers
:-)
You need that just for the horsepower.
*******
Check the "News" and "Mail" folders in the profile folder.
https://kb.mozillazine.org/Limits_-_Thunderbird
Paul
to new one. then if new works OK delete or copy or send to new what you
want from the old one
On 2/24/2023 2:16 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:09:23 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
Mail servers do not process messages quickly, and this is not
as easy as the program simply "copying" the 15GB of stuff you
are shoving into it. It might take all night to eat that much.
This is why, in corporate setups, you have a hundred Exchange servers :-) >>> You need that just for the horsepower.
If it ever feels like there's a hundred Exchange servers, then my
colleagues and I have done something right when setting up the load
balancers that sit in front of the mail servers. The truth is, though,
there's probably a lot fewer servers than you might think. For some
reason, management never likes to spend money on mail servers, beyond
the essentials. That's really why email is frequently slow, especially
during peak periods in the early morning as people are arriving to work,
and then again right after lunch as people are returning to their desks.
In between those times, the mail servers are usually only lightly
loaded.
If it's a greenfield situation where we're designing and building the
email architecture from scratch, we usually recommend a minimum of 2-3
servers for companies up to about 20k employees, 4-5 servers for 50k-60k
employees, and then another server for every additional 10k employees.
Add a redundant pair, located at a backup facility, just in case.
Compare those numbers to the application servers, where the applications
are generating revenue, and you get pools with many more servers. You
always want to see pools with larger numbers of small servers, rather
than smaller pools of large servers. It's easier and more efficient to
distribute the load across the server pool that way.
I was told that:
1) The message handling speed of a server, was 20 messages per second.
2) There were 100 Exchange servers. There could well have been other
server types besides that.
After an email "outage", we would be told there would be a
12 to 24 hour delay until the backlog was processed. I don't
know if that aligns with your experience or not.
I do not yet understand the
main difference between what Thunderbird puts into these two locations?
C:\Users\mike\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\
Account Settings > Server Settings > Message Storage > Local Directory
I think what you're getting at is that I should use "empty" Thunderbird
"for a few days" to see if it's something non-mail-related that is causing Thunderbird to hang.
Is there an easy way to set up mail tests without a bona fide email account to test it against?
Do you think it could be this bug? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1812386
If so, that has been fixed in Betterbird, as mentioned here. https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html
On 23-02-2023 06:28 mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
After all this time with Thunderbird hanging on me on composition windows,
I think I accidentally got closer to where the thunderbird bug is located.
When I was using Thunderbird (normal & beta) it was Thunderbird 110.0b4 (64-bit) but I kept using the same profile and/or the same user setup.
Multiple times I deleted Thunderbird and installed the latest Windows
version and even the latest beta release, but they all hung up on the composition window. Every single time. MemoryHogs v1.45 & Nir Sofer WhatIsHang v1.27 both proved beyond any doubt that it was Thunderbird,
and only Thunderbird, which was hanging up, on the composition window.
But why?
Someone suggested Thunderbird Portable, which I discounted for the longest time as it's still Thunderbird, isn't it? Anyway, in desperation, I finally installed the Thunderbird portable, and the hang went away (or so I
thought) so I was happy to proudly declare that TB portable was the fix.
The Thunderbird portable I'm using is 102.10.0 (64-bit) at the moment.
With the Thunderbird portable, using a brand new profile that started out empty, Thunderbird no longer hung when I was in a composition window.
Success, right?
Well... no.
After a few days of use on Portable with default settings, I turned off the HTML and went to TEXT and then kaboom! TB hung like before. Every time.
When I switched from HTML back to TEXT, TB stopped hanging.
So I think the bug is Thunderbird composition on TEXT only.
But I need to test it further to be sure of that.
The result is that there is a vicious bug in TB when it is set for TEXT composition. This nasty bug disappears the moment you switch to HTML composition.
I do not know how to tell the Thunderbird developers this problem.
Do you?
If so, that has been fixed in Betterbird, as mentioned here.
https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html
Looking at BetterBird, it seems to be an offshoot of Thunderbird. https://www.betterbird.eu/index.html
On 26-04-2023 00:26 mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
If so, that has been fixed in Betterbird, as mentioned here.
https://www.betterbird.eu/releasenotes/index.html
Looking at BetterBird, it seems to be an offshoot of Thunderbird.
https://www.betterbird.eu/index.html
So I install BetterBird, and lo and behold, in one way it _is_ better than Thunderbird, so I think Thunderbird is a goner for me forever, as I really don't want to learn another MUA if I don't have to do that just for bugs.
Then I ran a few compositions with the HTML setup in the default configuration of (Tools | Account Settings | Composition & Addressing | Compose messages in HTML format = checked) and it was nicely fast.
Then, after a while, I switched that to unchecked and it instantly got noticebly slower during a composition. A lot slower. But it did not HANG!
That's the good news.
It didn't hang when I turned off HTML compositions.
But it did get a LOT slower (if you can notice it, that's a LOT!).
Nope, I can't see slow composition in Betterbird 102.10.0-bb33 (64-bit)
on my W10 box, but all my accounts have had "Compose messages in HTML
format" un-checked since sometime last century.
So, I wouldn't blame either, it is more likely to be something else on
your system.
so there isn't much more I can do to try to make TB work.
On 23-02-2023 06:28 mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
After all this time with Thunderbird hanging on me on composition
windows, I think I accidentally got closer to where the
thunderbird bug is located.
When I was using Thunderbird (normal & beta) it was Thunderbird
110.0b4 (64-bit) but I kept using the same profile and/or the same
user setup.
Multiple times I deleted Thunderbird and installed the latest
Windows version and even the latest beta release, but they all
hung up on the composition window. Every single time. MemoryHogs
v1.45 & Nir Sofer WhatIsHang v1.27 both proved beyond any doubt
that it was Thunderbird, and only Thunderbird, which was hanging
up, on the composition window.
But why?
Someone suggested Thunderbird Portable, which I discounted for the
longest time as it's still Thunderbird, isn't it? Anyway, in
desperation, I finally installed the Thunderbird portable, and the
hang went away (or so I thought) so I was happy to proudly declare
that TB portable was the fix.
The Thunderbird portable I'm using is 102.10.0 (64-bit) at the
moment.
With the Thunderbird portable, using a brand new profile that
started out empty, Thunderbird no longer hung when I was in a
composition window.
Success, right?
Well... no.
After a few days of use on Portable with default settings, I
turned off the HTML and went to TEXT and then kaboom! TB hung like
before. Every time.
When I switched from HTML back to TEXT, TB stopped hanging.
So I think the bug is Thunderbird composition on TEXT only.
But I need to test it further to be sure of that.
The result is that there is a vicious bug in TB when it is set for
TEXT composition. This nasty bug disappears the moment you switch
to HTML composition.
I do not know how to tell the Thunderbird developers this problem.
Do you?
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