# ss -l -p -n | fgrep port_in_question Must be run as root!will give you the program name(s) usig that port, maybe
That leaves only ~30 other reasons to not like Linux (at least for a
desktop environment).
Hi All,
Ages ago someone in these parts mentioned that
they did not like Linux because they could not
figure out who was using a particular port.
Alan Browne used his or her keyboard to write :
That leaves only ~30 other reasons to not like Linux (at least for a
desktop environment).
At least Windows works nice with Linux and even includes the shells.
A dual boot Windows:Linux is the best of both worlds, in fact.
But the best part about Linux is that it's not the infamous walled garden.
In fact, Linux is the exact opposite of the insurmountable walled garden.
Which is why Linux can do everything you'd ever want it to do. For free.
The walled garden can't do anything outside the walled garden. At all.
Unlike Linux/Android, all my devices that I use daily are seamlessly integrated and slickly so.
Indeed began using a nice new app today that
I believe a client will enjoy integrating into our ongoing workflow.
And I network my Mac and share files with other devices quite easily
while controlling access narrowly (much as one does in Windows or Linux).
So, your "walled garden" nonsense has withered to death...
Alan Browne used his or her keyboard to write :
Unlike Linux/Android, all my devices that I use daily are seamlessly
integrated and slickly so.
How is Linux or Windows not already seamlessly integrated with Android?
Indeed began using a nice new app today that I believe a client will
enjoy integrating into our ongoing workflow.
I hope your client aren't clueless enough to buy iOS devices, none of which integrate with anything outside Apple's unsurmountable walled garden.
And I network my Mac and share files with other devices quite easily
while controlling access narrowly (much as one does in Windows or Linux).
Only stupid people say a Mac integrates well outside the walled garden.
So, your "walled garden" nonsense has withered to death...
It's only trolls like you & Trump who love to build walls like Apple does.
Unlike Linux/Android, all my devices that I use daily are
seamlessly integrated and slickly so. Indeed began using a
nice new app today that I believe a client will enjoy
integrating into our ongoing workflow.
On 2023-02-18 20:14, T wrote:
Hi All,
Ages ago someone in these parts mentioned that
they did not like Linux because they could not
figure out who was using a particular port.
</lurk>
Nice!
That leaves only ~30 other reasons to not like Linux (at least for a
desktop environment).
<lurk>
On 2/19/2023 1:18 PM, Alan Browne wrote:Never, ever :-D
Unlike Linux/Android, all my devices that I use daily are seamlessly
integrated and slickly so. Indeed began using a
nice new app today that I believe a client will enjoy integrating into
our ongoing workflow.
A dick-wagging contest on teh USENET ?
Cool.
That's never happened before.
On 2/19/23 09:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-02-18 20:14, T wrote:
Hi All,
Ages ago someone in these parts mentioned that
they did not like Linux because they could not
figure out who was using a particular port.
</lurk>
Nice!
That leaves only ~30 other reasons to not like Linux (at least for a desktop environment).
Linux desktops (not gnome) are now quite polished. But
your are correct: 29 of those 30 reason s are "I can't
learn anything new". The remaining 1 of 30 is that
M$ has won the applications war and your can't get
the software you want to run on Linux.
The vast majority of my customer do not even know
what OS they are running. They only know the names
of the software. Well except the name of their
browser, which they routinely call "Google".
Of the 28 years doing this, I have only found a small
number of business that benefited from a Linux server
and zero that could use Linux workstations due to the
lack of software.
:'(
That's never happened before.Never, ever :-D
How is Linux or Windows not already seamlessly integrated with Android?
Simplest example are Apple apps such as Notes, Reminders and Message
(and others) all using the connective tissue of iCloud.
This experience
began to get very slick and smooth about 10 years ago and is always improving. Latest app being Freeform which I'll begin using more this
coming week.
There is nothing as cross device seamless as the few apps I mention
above in the Linux/Windows/Android world with the sole exception (maybe)
of calendars and maybe e-mail via IMAP.
Indeed began using a nice new app today that I believe a client will
enjoy integrating into our ongoing workflow.
I hope your client aren't clueless enough to buy iOS devices, none of which >> integrate with anything outside Apple's unsurmountable walled garden.
My clients, being very able, intelligent and successful business people
run their company administration and day to day on Apple systems.
There are a bunch of Android tablets there too to support equipment from a vendor who doesn't provide his app on iPad OS.
And I network my Mac and share files with other devices quite easilyOnly stupid people say a Mac integrates well outside the walled garden.
while controlling access narrowly (much as one does in Windows or Linux). >>
Only people who do it all of the time know that to be a fact.
So, your "walled garden" nonsense has withered to death...
It's only trolls like you & Trump who love to build walls like Apple does.
Bringing up Trump as an insult against me is pretty lame. But then you
do you - Lame fits you like a glove.
Keep on your walled garden myth too.
On 2/19/2023 1:18 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
Unlike Linux/Android, all my devices that I use daily are seamlessly
integrated and slickly so. Indeed began using a
nice new app today that I believe a client will enjoy integrating into
our ongoing workflow.
A dick-wagging contest on teh USENET ?
On 2/19/2023 7:28 PM, T wrote:
Of the 28 years doing this, I have only found a small
number of business that benefited from a Linux server
and zero that could use Linux workstations due to the
lack of software.
On my very first job at work, as a newly minted grad,
there were no computers! Imagine my shocked face.
I did my first design, using my programmable calculator
used in university. Nobody whined there about anything,
just nose to grindstone, git-er done.
Then, my next job, was working in a group *designing* computers.
The irony. Ouch.
On 2/19/23 09:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-02-18 20:14, T wrote:
Hi All,
Ages ago someone in these parts mentioned that
they did not like Linux because they could not
figure out who was using a particular port.
</lurk>
Nice!
That leaves only ~30 other reasons to not like Linux (at least for a
desktop environment).
Linux desktops (not gnome) are now quite polished. But
your are correct: 29 of those 30 reason s are "I can't
learn anything new". The remaining 1 of 30 is that
M$ has won the applications war and your can't get
the software you want to run on Linux.
The vast majority of my customer do not even know
what OS they are running. They only know the names
of the software. Well except the name of their
browser, which they routinely call "Google".
Of the 28 years doing this, I have only found a small
number of business that benefited from a Linux server
and zero that could use Linux workstations due to the
lack of software.
On 2023-02-19 19:28, T wrote:
On 2/19/23 09:48, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-02-18 20:14, T wrote:
Hi All,
Ages ago someone in these parts mentioned that
they did not like Linux because they could not
figure out who was using a particular port.
</lurk>
Nice!
That leaves only ~30 other reasons to not like Linux (at
least for a desktop environment).
Linux desktops (not gnome) are now quite polished. But
your are correct: 29 of those 30 reason s are "I can't
learn anything new". The remaining 1 of 30 is that
M$ has won the applications war and your can't get
the software you want to run on Linux.
I don't think the learning anything new has much to do with
it. More that the early years of Linux were harder to
implement things for the average computer user - by that
time most "average" people could do basics like install the
OS on a new computer - because MS made that process easy
enough. MS were a decade+ ahead.
On apps, yep, the productivity apps, esp. Word and Excel
coupled to creativity apps (such as Photoshop) are really
what made Linux desktop unappealing to most people.
OpenOffice worked well enough but was not easily compatible
with large co. operations.
Personally I've always felt Linux was quite clunky -
recently using Ubuntu which isn't bad - but I no longer
have use for that either.
My first "serious" job was assisting an engineer who wrote navigation
s/w for military aircraft. All in assembler.
The worst is trying to troubleshoot an issue...especially with help from Linux-based
newsgroups.
The condescendig attitudes and insults hurled at you just because you used the 'non-
Linux' term for something,
or because you didn't want to spend 8 hours searching the
web for answers all the while typing out cryptic commands rife with command-line
paramters that you struggle with to get correct, for hours on end with no solution is
sight!!
On 20 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> posted some news <news:08OIL.22457$Kqu2.337@fx01.iad>:
My first "serious" job was assisting an engineer who wrote navigationIf you don't know the difference between an assembly language and an assembler, then it's more likely that you didn't do what you claim you did.
s/w for military aircraft. All in assembler. >
On 2023-02-20 12:47, DanS wrote:
The worst is trying to troubleshoot an issue...especially with help
from Linux-based newsgroups.
The condescendig attitudes and insults hurled at you just because you
used the 'non-Linux' term for something,
... something like using the wrong word on a serious sail boaters tub.
You'd think the boat would sink if you used the word "right" or "rope" instead of "line".
On 2023-02-20 20:10, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-02-20 12:47, DanS wrote:
The worst is trying to troubleshoot an issue...especially with help
from Linux-based newsgroups.
The condescendig attitudes and insults hurled at you just because you
used the 'non-Linux' term for something,
... something like using the wrong word on a serious sail boaters tub.
You'd think the boat would sink if you used the word "right" or "rope"
instead of "line".
Not everybody is insulting.
This is Usenet, some people seem to love hurling insults, no matter what group.
Try to post an amateur photo to a photo group.
On 20 Feb 2023, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> posted some news <news:08OIL.22457$Kqu2.337@fx01.iad>:
My first "serious" job was assisting an engineer who wrote navigation
s/w for military aircraft. All in assembler.
If you don't know the difference between an assembly language and an assembler, then it's more likely that you didn't do what you claim you did.
Same with your incorrect claim that Apple's walled garden is a myth.
You're on the wrong newsgroup for all those lies to be believed here.
Go to an Apple newsgroup where those religious fanatics will love you.
The worst is trying to troubleshoot an issue...especially with help from Linux-based
newsgroups.
The condescendig attitudes and insults hurled at you just because you used the 'non-
Linux' term for something, or because you didn't want to spend 8 hours searching the
web for answers all the while typing out cryptic commands rife with command-line
paramters that you struggle with to get correct, for hours on end with no solution is
sight!!
The worst is trying to troubleshoot an issue...especially with help from Linux-basedused the 'non-
newsgroups >
The condescendig attitudes and insults hurled at you just because you
Linux' term for something, or because you didn't want to spend 8hours searching the
web for answers all the while typing out cryptic commands rife withcommand-line
paramters that you struggle with to get correct, for hours on endwith no solution is
sight!!
On 2023-02-20 20:10, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-02-20 12:47, DanS wrote:
The worst is trying to troubleshoot an issue...especially with help
from Linux-based newsgroups.
The condescendig attitudes and insults hurled at you just because you
used the 'non-Linux' term for something,
... something like using the wrong word on a serious sail boaters tub.
You'd think the boat would sink if you used the word "right" or "rope"
instead of "line".
Not everybody is insulting.
This is Usenet, some people seem to love hurling insults, no matter what group.
Try to post an amateur photo to a photo group.
As soon as you get use to the command line, you will
find it a lot easier to use most of the time than
the GUI's, but not all the time. Use what works
for you. That is part of the power of Linux.
On 2/20/23 11:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-02-20 20:10, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2023-02-20 12:47, DanS wrote:
The worst is trying to troubleshoot an issue...especially with help
from Linux-based newsgroups.
The condescendig attitudes and insults hurled at you just because
you used the 'non-Linux' term for something,
... something like using the wrong word on a serious sail boaters
tub. You'd think the boat would sink if you used the word "right" or
"rope" instead of "line".
Not everybody is insulting.
This is Usenet, some people seem to love hurling insults, no matter
what group.
Try to post an amateur photo to a photo group.
Carlos,
He is right about the Linux newsgroups. They
are ass holes.
The distro's forums, on the other hand, are
wonderful.
-T
Hi All,
Ages ago someone in these parts mentioned that
they did not like Linux because they could not
figure out who was using a particular port.
I just had to trace one down. You just have to
use the command line:
On 21/02/2023 05:12, T wrote:
As soon as you get use to the command line, you will
find it a lot easier to use most of the time than
the GUI's, but not all the time. Use what works
for you. That is part of the power of Linux.
That may be, but folks please discover the power of Windows that is PowerShell?
Most Windows users completely skip this, and miss productivity advantages from automation scripting in that environment.
In an ideal world, there would be much more discussion of that in these newsgroups, but given that GUI interfaces tempt users to point and click, game playing is as far as most get.
Never cared much for Power Shell.
I program mostly in Raku, which is cross platform.
On 2/21/23 02:30, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-02-21 06:14, T wrote:
On 2/20/23 11:17, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Carlos,
He is right about the Linux newsgroups. They
are ass holes.
I participate in several Linux newsgroups. Are you saying I am an ass
hole?
Obviously not. You are a mensch.
Since you speak Spanish, the best way to describe
the jerks over on the Linux newsgroups would be
¿Quién es más macho?
T wrote:
Never cared much for Power Shell. I program mostly in Raku, which is
cross platform.
So is powershell, though I've never used it on Linux or macOS
He is right about the Linux newsgroups. They
are ass holes.
I participate in several Linux newsgroups. Are you saying I
am an ass hole?
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