The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
hight, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't
connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

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On 2023-02-15 20:35, R2D2 wrote:

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
hight, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

Argh.

Run some application that emulates keyboard activity.

In the past, Xine did this, to impede the screensaver kicking in. I
think it made the bloq-num led to cycle. I suppose it wrote to the
keyboard to activate that key, twice each time.

I don't know if this is feasible today. Back then, keyboards were ps/2.

Oh, now that I think, I noticed this behavior on Linux. Can't say if
they did the same on Windows. You could try, leaving one machine running
xine displaying a video, one that demands low cpu load.


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R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
hight, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

Instead of turning off hibernation in power-saving modes, disable it.
In a command shell with elevated privileges, run:

powercfg /hibernate off
or
powercfg /h off

That toggles if hibernate mode is enabled or disabled. I've disabled
hibernate every since I setup my desktop PC, and it's never been
magically reenabled. It also removes hibernate as an option in the
Power Down menu, and elsewhere. To see what powercfg can do, run:

powercfg /?

Just in case the workstation somehow gets hibernate reenabled (could be
from an employee, too), you could schedule the above command as an event
in Task Schedule, like run it every hour (or shorter depending on what
is the interval for the low-power mode).

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On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:03:36 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop
hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
hight, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't
connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

Instead of turning off hibernation in power-saving modes, disable it.
In a command shell with elevated privileges, run:

powercfg /hibernate off
or
powercfg /h off

That toggles if hibernate mode is enabled or disabled. I've disabled >hibernate every since I setup my desktop PC, and it's never been
magically reenabled. It also removes hibernate as an option in the
Power Down menu, and elsewhere. To see what powercfg can do, run:

powercfg /?

Just in case the workstation somehow gets hibernate reenabled (could be
from an employee, too), you could schedule the above command as an event
in Task Schedule, like run it every hour (or shorter depending on what
is the interval for the low-power mode).

+1


KenW

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In article <6lcquh5em7g3p6hduvo089d7o1q5gl1qjt@4ax.com>,

R2D2 says...

Now user can't
connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

Why not show the user how to press the power button?

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VanguardLH wrote on 2/15/2023 4:03 PM:

R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop
hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
hight, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't
connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

Instead of turning off hibernation in power-saving modes, disable it.
In a command shell with elevated privileges, run:

powercfg /hibernate off
or
powercfg /h off

That toggles if hibernate mode is enabled or disabled. I've disabled hibernate every since I setup my desktop PC, and it's never been
magically reenabled. It also removes hibernate as an option in the
Power Down menu, and elsewhere. To see what powercfg can do, run:

powercfg /?

Just in case the workstation somehow gets hibernate reenabled (could be
from an employee, too), you could schedule the above command as an event
in Task Schedule, like run it every hour (or shorter depending on what
is the interval for the low-power mode).

+1

Fyi...Hiberation is turned off on all my devices and has been since
Windows 10.
I've yet to encounter Windows Update(Monthly Cumulative or Feature
Updates, or Win10/Win11 upgrade) turning it back on.
- 3 devices; Two on Win10 Pro 22H2, one Win11 Pr0 22H2



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Hello.

R2D2 <a@xx.ff> schrieb

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop >hibernation...

not really.
Just tell the User to shut windows down while holding shift-key.

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Unsteadyken wrote:

R2D2 says...

Now user can't connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and
wake the PC.

Why not show the user how to press the power button?

Because the user's finger won't reach from home to the office?

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R2D2 wrote:

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
night, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

To be clear, it is the office PC that hibernates - yes?

So if the office is unstaffed, there is nobody to wake up that PC in the morning.

Given what others have written here, your IT person should be able to
configure all the office PCs so they never hibernate - if not, get a
proper IT person.

However, there is a more energy-efficient alternative.

Configure all the office PCs so they respond to Wake-on-LAN. (There may
be a small subset of PCs that don't have this facility.)

Use an office router with the capablity to send the Wake-On-LAN command.
Configure the home users so they can communicate with the office
router. Your user then invokes the Wake-On-LAN command, directed at
the user's office PC - which then wakes up. User can then bring up VPN
to communicate with said office PC. A LAN-to-LAN VPN is a good solution
for this because it can also allow your office IT person to assist the
home user remotely.

The "work from home" requirement is better implemented where the
homeworker communicates with a server at the company office, using
Remote Desktop. If workers in the office also use Remote Desktop their
working environment can be the same (apart from selecting local versus
the office printer) from both locations. It also means that the users' computers don't need application maintenance - all the apps are held on
the server and maintained there.

Of course if the office is entirely cloud-based then there is no need
for any VPN.

Any half-way competent IT support person should understand all this and
be able to set it up. I'm retired, so I'm not going to volunteer; but
if you need a recommendation do ask.


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Graham J

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:01:22 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

Unsteadyken wrote:

R2D2 says...

Now user can't connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and
wake the PC.

Why not show the user how to press the power button?

Because the user's finger won't reach from home to the office?

Yeah... we have yet to buy the "very long fnger" app :D

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 00:13:43 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

VanguardLH wrote on 2/15/2023 4:03 PM:

R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

Fyi...Hiberation is turned off on all my devices and has been since
Windows 10.
I've yet to encounter Windows Update(Monthly Cumulative or Feature
Updates, or Win10/Win11 upgrade) turning it back on.
- 3 devices; Two on Win10 Pro 22H2, one Win11 Pr0 22H2

Try working with 120+ desktops and 60+ laptops. We also have problems
with Windows reseting the USB hibernation on laptops, while NOT
reseting the remaining settings.

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On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:23:58 +0000, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop
hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
night, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't
connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

To be clear, it is the office PC that hibernates - yes?

So if the office is unstaffed, there is nobody to wake up that PC in the >morning.

Given what others have written here, your IT person should be able to >configure all the office PCs so they never hibernate - if not, get a
proper IT person.

We've done that, but either windows of the HP app ocasionallt resets
the hibernation settings.

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On 2/16/2023 10:13 AM, R2D2 wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 00:13:43 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote on 2/15/2023 4:03 PM:

R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

Fyi...Hiberation is turned off on all my devices and has been since
Windows 10.
I've yet to encounter Windows Update(Monthly Cumulative or Feature
Updates, or Win10/Win11 upgrade) turning it back on.
- 3 devices; Two on Win10 Pro 22H2, one Win11 Pr0 22H2

Try working with 120+ desktops and 60+ laptops. We also have problems
with Windows reseting the USB hibernation on laptops, while NOT
reseting the remaining settings.

With Intel ME, you can remotely control PCs, as long as they're
networked and +5VSB DC power is available on the chipset.

One of the reasons all the refurb off-lease PCs have Intel ME,
is they've come from a corporate environment set up with them.

My Optiplex 780 refurb has Q45 chipset, Intel NIC, and working
Intel ME suited to AMT.

http://pds4.egloos.com/pds/200706/04/57/ps_adts003.pdf

There are various features you want in your PCs, to make
them manageable. None of my consumer-grade PCs have Intel ME.

On the Optiplex 780, there is an embedded processor in the
Q45 chipset (in the Southbridge) that is running the Minux
operating system. That is the entity the IT guy is
interacting with, to tip a managed PC upright again.
The main processor can be without power, but the Q45
embedded processor is running all the time (until you
pull the power plug out of the wall).

Paul

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R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

Fyi...Hiberation is turned off on all my devices and has been since
Windows 10. I've yet to encounter Windows Update(Monthly Cumulative
or Feature Updates, or Win10/Win11 upgrade) turning it back on.

Try working with 120+ desktops and 60+ laptops. We also have problems
with Windows reseting the USB hibernation on laptops, while NOT
reseting the remaining settings.

As I recall, Task Scheduler events can be pushed by domain policy. Why
isn't hibernation disabled in all those workstations in the sysprep
image? Lack of hibernation does not preclude low-power state. If the workstation that is used for VPN from home is getting powered off, why
it is out where anyone can access it?

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R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:23:58 +0000, Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk>
wrote:

R2D2 wrote:

The "work from home" thing is getting ruined because of PC/laptop
hibernation...

User has laptop at home with a VPN to connect to office PC. During the
night, PC hibernates... shuting down the network board. Now user can't
connect to PC, and someone from IT has to go and wake the PC.

We've switch off hybernation on PCs, but sometimes Windows update will
turn it on again. Or, in the case of HP desktops, it's HP's own
software that re-starts the hibernation mode...

One more reason why we need to have at least 1 IT person on site...

To be clear, it is the office PC that hibernates - yes?

So if the office is unstaffed, there is nobody to wake up that PC in the >>morning.

Given what others have written here, your IT person should be able to >>configure all the office PCs so they never hibernate - if not, get a
proper IT person.

We've done that, but either windows of the HP app ocasionallt resets
the hibernation settings.

Are the users of the laptop to which getting VPN'ed logging in with admin-permissioned accounts, or restricted accounts? If logging in
under admin, you're allowing them to do your job as sysadmin.

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R2D2 wrote on 2/16/2023 8:13 AM:

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 00:13:43 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

VanguardLH wrote on 2/15/2023 4:03 PM:

R2D2 <a@xx.ff> wrote:

Fyi...Hiberation is turned off on all my devices and has been since
Windows 10.
I've yet to encounter Windows Update(Monthly Cumulative or Feature
Updates, or Win10/Win11 upgrade) turning it back on.
- 3 devices; Two on Win10 Pro 22H2, one Win11 Pr0 22H2

Try working with 120+ desktops and 60+ laptops. We also have problems
with Windows reseting the USB hibernation on laptops, while NOT
reseting the remaining settings.

The point made WU doesn't enable Hibernation.
Not coded to do so.
Something else is in play. 180 devices, 180 users give or take a few,,
1800 fingers.
One issue that prevents hibernation from being permanently disabled is
a corrupt power profile - to resolve it needs to be reset to default,
device restarted, hibernation turned of via admin command prompt(or
Powershell admin), then properly reconfigured from default setting
- what happens, if 180 devices with mutliple users have access to the
power settings...it's likely a losing battle until that access is blocked
by admin or GPO management.


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