• Startup Sound, when Windows Boots Up

    From jaugustine@verizon.net@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 14 15:34:45 2023
    Hi,

    I recently bought a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop with
    Windows 10 installed.

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on
    my Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked
    on "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected
    "Notification" sound from the list of "Program Events".
    There was NO "Windows startup" in the list. Only
    below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then
    clicked on "Apply" and "OK".

    Note: There are NO sound issues with this laptop.
    Volume is UP. I have heard a notification sound
    when I was prompted to update Java.

    Can anyone tell me what I might have overlooked?

    Thank You in advance, John

    ".

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what on Tue Feb 14 15:42:16 2023
    On 2/14/23 15:34, this is what jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    Hi,

    I recently bought a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop with
    Windows 10 installed.

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on
    my Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked
    on "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected
    "Notification" sound from the list of "Program Events".
    There was NO "Windows startup" in the list. Only
    below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then
    clicked on "Apply" and "OK".

    Note: There are NO sound issues with this laptop.
    Volume is UP. I have heard a notification sound
    when I was prompted to update Java.

    Can anyone tell me what I might have overlooked?

    Thank You in advance, John

    ".


    Did you hit the play button on the sound they said was the startup sound?
    It might not be there!

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Tue Feb 14 14:43:53 2023
    On 2/14/2023 2:34 PM, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    Hi,

    I recently bought a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop with
    Windows 10 installed.

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on
    my Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked
    on "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected
    "Notification" sound from the list of "Program Events".
    There was NO "Windows startup" in the list. Only
    below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then
    clicked on "Apply" and "OK".

    Note: There are NO sound issues with this laptop.
    Volume is UP. I have heard a notification sound
    when I was prompted to update Java.

    Can anyone tell me what I might have overlooked?

    Thank You in advance, John

    do you have fast startup enabled? It's in the power options

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Tue Feb 14 16:34:24 2023
    <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on my Dell Inspiron
    1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked on
    "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected "Notification"
    sound from the list of "Program Events". There was NO "Windows
    startup" in the list. Only below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then clicked on "Apply" and
    "OK".

    Did you go to C:\Windows\Media to check there is a "Windows Startup.wav"
    sound file? When you play it, do you hear anything? You may have to
    turn volume up a lot (and remember there are different sound categories
    for sound, so in Mixer make sure you are upping the System sound level).
    For me, that WAV file sounds like a single click of castanets, and not
    very loud, so it would be very easy to miss when Windows is loading.

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what VanguardLH on Tue Feb 14 17:38:51 2023
    On 2/14/23 17:32, this is what VanguardLH wrote:
    Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:

    jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on my Dell
    Inspiron 1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked on
    "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected
    "Notification" sound from the list of "Program Events". There was NO
    "Windows startup" in the list. Only below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then clicked on "Apply" and
    "OK".

    Did you hit the play button on the sound they said was the startup
    sound? It might not be there!

    For the "Windows Startup sound", that is not in the scrollable list of
    sound events (where you can pick a sound file, and then test play it).
    It is a separate option that has no way to select a sound file.

    The Sound Panel looks like:

    https://www.top-password.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/windows-sound-settings.png

    The "Play Windows Startup sound" is a separate option under the scroll
    list. You don't get to select what sound file gets used for that event.
    In the scrollable list, there is no entry for Windows startup sound.
    The only way to change that sound is to replace the sound file ("C:\Windows\Media\Windows Startup.wav").

    I change it so often (sarcasm intended), I've forgotten that tid-bit. Thanks.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Big Al on Tue Feb 14 16:32:29 2023
    Big Al <Bears@invalid.com> wrote:

    jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on my Dell
    Inspiron 1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked on
    "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected
    "Notification" sound from the list of "Program Events". There was NO
    "Windows startup" in the list. Only below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then clicked on "Apply" and
    "OK".

    Did you hit the play button on the sound they said was the startup
    sound? It might not be there!

    For the "Windows Startup sound", that is not in the scrollable list of
    sound events (where you can pick a sound file, and then test play it).
    It is a separate option that has no way to select a sound file.

    The Sound Panel looks like:

    https://www.top-password.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/windows-sound-settings.png

    The "Play Windows Startup sound" is a separate option under the scroll
    list. You don't get to select what sound file gets used for that event.
    In the scrollable list, there is no entry for Windows startup sound.
    The only way to change that sound is to replace the sound file ("C:\Windows\Media\Windows Startup.wav").

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  • From MajorLanGod@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 00:20:29 2023

    Did you go to C:\Windows\Media to check there is a "Windows Startup.wav" sound file? When you play it, do you hear anything? You may have to
    turn volume up a lot (and remember there are different sound categories
    for sound, so in Mixer make sure you are upping the System sound level).
    For me, that WAV file sounds like a single click of castanets, and not
    very loud, so it would be very easy to miss when Windows is loading.

    I just went and checked a bunch of the sounds in the\Media directory.
    Several of the preloaded files I would expect Windows to use did not sound
    when I played them. I checked the Sound Mixer and it is currently set at
    24. That is not all that loud, but I would expect to hear something. I have
    an app that plays streaming radio stations, and it is currently set at the
    same 25% output level and I can hear that just fine.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Tue Feb 14 22:46:26 2023
    MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote:


    Did you go to C:\Windows\Media to check there is a "Windows
    Startup.wav" sound file? When you play it, do you hear anything?
    You may have to turn volume up a lot (and remember there are
    different sound categories for sound, so in Mixer make sure you are
    upping the System sound level). For me, that WAV file sounds like a
    single click of castanets, and not very loud, so it would be very
    easy to miss when Windows is loading.

    I just went and checked a bunch of the sounds in the\Media directory.
    Several of the preloaded files I would expect Windows to use did not
    sound when I played them. I checked the Sound Mixer and it is
    currently set at 24. That is not all that loud, but I would expect to
    hear something. I have an app that plays streaming radio stations,
    and it is currently set at the same 25% output level and I can hear
    that just fine.

    Since you can pick your own sound file in a different location, you
    sure the sound file selected for a sound event is in C:\Windows\Media?
    If the sound files are elsewhere, it's possible those files or folders
    for them no longer exist, or got moved.

    When you pick a sound for a sound event, you can browse to find sound
    files other than in C:\Windows\Media. Alas, after picking a sound file,
    the Sounds box showing the selected file does not show the path to the
    sound file. I selected a different sound file for the New Mail
    Notification sound event. It is in a completely different folder (along
    with lots of other sound files). Yet all I see in the Sounds box is "youvegotmail.wav", not the path to where is the sound file.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Wed Feb 15 00:15:20 2023
    On 2/14/2023 7:20 PM, MajorLanGod wrote:

    Did you go to C:\Windows\Media to check there is a "Windows Startup.wav"
    sound file? When you play it, do you hear anything? You may have to
    turn volume up a lot (and remember there are different sound categories
    for sound, so in Mixer make sure you are upping the System sound level).
    For me, that WAV file sounds like a single click of castanets, and not
    very loud, so it would be very easy to miss when Windows is loading.

    I just went and checked a bunch of the sounds in the\Media directory.
    Several of the preloaded files I would expect Windows to use did not sound when I played them. I checked the Sound Mixer and it is currently set at
    24. That is not all that loud, but I would expect to hear something. I have an app that plays streaming radio stations, and it is currently set at the same 25% output level and I can hear that just fine.

    Each application has a mixer setting.

    "System Sounds" is an application of sorts.

    The final volume is "System Sounds" times "Master Volume".
    If either is turned down, you won't hear anything.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/g2jkwjzv/volume-mixer.gif

    The sound hardware, the register setting, it works in 1.5dB steps.
    There would be a correspondence between the slider and
    the steps in the hardware. And this is the degree of quantization
    of the volume control - it's not an analog control, but a digital
    one, and if you needed an "exact" volume, you can't have it.

    Sound hardware has pretty good attenuation capability (there are
    effectively two attenuators that can be put in series), but what
    it lacks is unlimited gain. Your RealTek audio cannot amplify the
    2mV signal from a magnetic phono cartridge, to usable level. It
    can take the 70mV signal from a ceramic ("cheap") cartridge and
    that would work. If you plug an electret mic into the microphone
    input, apparently that has sufficient level for the computer sound.
    I don't know what a typical voltage value is for one of those. I
    have one here, which is amplified (four pin amp chip inside mic),
    and it can produce 1V signals, which is why I use that puppy.

    If a person wanted to screw with you, they could re-record a .wav
    in the system sound collection and attenuate it inside the file.
    Or even use a .wav file full of zeros. And then you would not
    hear anything. The amplitude encoded in the .wav file is important.
    A "normalized" file, would fill the Audacity window on the screen.

    Hollywood DVD audio, is at around -15dB or so (rough guess), and
    a bit on the weak side. This helps demonstrate what a "weak" source
    behaves like on a computer, when you can't hear your damn movie.

    Paul

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  • From jaugustine@verizon.net@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Wed Feb 15 15:25:37 2023
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 16:34:24 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on my Dell Inspiron
    1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked on
    "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected "Notification"
    sound from the list of "Program Events". There was NO "Windows
    startup" in the list. Only below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then clicked on "Apply" and
    "OK".

    Did you go to C:\Windows\Media to check there is a "Windows Startup.wav" >sound file? When you play it, do you hear anything? You may have to
    turn volume up a lot (and remember there are different sound categories
    for sound, so in Mixer make sure you are upping the System sound level).
    For me, that WAV file sounds like a single click of castanets, and not
    very loud, so it would be very easy to miss when Windows is loading.

    Hi Vanguard,

    There is a "Windows Startup.wav" in Windows\Media. I can hear
    the sound when I clicked on it via VLC. Note: I heard other sounds
    in the list of sounds via "Themes", "Sounds", but "Windows Startup"
    is NOT in the list of event sounds.

    Below the list of sounds window, "Play Windows Startup sound" is checked, but there is nothing in the slot below that. There is a "Test" button next to the slot, but not in bold print.

    John

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  • From sticks@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Wed Feb 15 15:08:43 2023
    On 2/15/2023 2:25 PM, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 16:34:24 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on my Dell Inspiron
    1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked on
    "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected "Notification"
    sound from the list of "Program Events". There was NO "Windows
    startup" in the list. Only below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then clicked on "Apply" and
    "OK".

    Did you go to C:\Windows\Media to check there is a "Windows Startup.wav"
    sound file? When you play it, do you hear anything? You may have to
    turn volume up a lot (and remember there are different sound categories
    for sound, so in Mixer make sure you are upping the System sound level).
    For me, that WAV file sounds like a single click of castanets, and not
    very loud, so it would be very easy to miss when Windows is loading.

    Hi Vanguard,

    There is a "Windows Startup.wav" in Windows\Media. I can hear
    the sound when I clicked on it via VLC. Note: I heard other sounds
    in the list of sounds via "Themes", "Sounds", but "Windows Startup"
    is NOT in the list of event sounds.

    Below the list of sounds window, "Play Windows Startup sound" is checked,
    but there is nothing in the slot below that. There is a "Test" button next to
    the slot, but not in bold print.

    John

    try this little reg edit

    <https://www.howtogeek.com/274010/how-to-change-the-windows-10-logoff-logon-and-shutdown-sounds-in-windows-10/>

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Wed Feb 15 17:07:10 2023
    <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 16:34:24 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

    <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on my Dell Inspiron
    1520 laptop with Windows 10.

    I pressed the Windows key and I key together. Clicked on
    "Personalization", ":Themes", "Sounds" . I selected "Notification"
    sound from the list of "Program Events". There was NO "Windows
    startup" in the list. Only below the list window.

    I checked "Play Windows Startup Sound", then clicked on "Apply" and
    "OK".

    Did you go to C:\Windows\Media to check there is a "Windows Startup.wav" >>sound file? When you play it, do you hear anything? You may have to
    turn volume up a lot (and remember there are different sound categories
    for sound, so in Mixer make sure you are upping the System sound level). >>For me, that WAV file sounds like a single click of castanets, and not
    very loud, so it would be very easy to miss when Windows is loading.

    There is a "Windows Startup.wav" in Windows\Media. I can hear the
    sound when I clicked on it via VLC. Note: I heard other sounds in
    the list of sounds via "Themes", "Sounds", but "Windows Startup" is
    NOT in the list of event sounds.

    Below the list of sounds window, "Play Windows Startup sound" is
    checked, but there is nothing in the slot below that. There is a
    "Test" button next to the slot, but not in bold print.

    The playback to test a sound file selection ONLY works for sound events
    in the scrollable list. The option "Play Windows Startup sound" is NOT
    in the scrollable list of sound events, so you cannot select a different
    sound file nor play it using the Test button. The selection is fixed.

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  • From jaugustine@verizon.net@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 16 09:11:30 2023
    <SNIP>
    There is a "Windows Startup.wav" in Windows\Media. I can hear the
    sound when I clicked on it via VLC. Note: I heard other sounds in
    the list of sounds via "Themes", "Sounds", but "Windows Startup" is
    NOT in the list of event sounds.

    Below the list of sounds window, "Play Windows Startup sound" is
    checked, but there is nothing in the slot below that. There is a
    "Test" button next to the slot, but not in bold print.

    The playback to test a sound file selection ONLY works for sound events
    in the scrollable list. The option "Play Windows Startup sound" is NOT
    in the scrollable list of sound events, so you cannot select a different >sound file nor play it using the Test button. The selection is fixed.

    Hi Vanguard,

    My other Win10 laptop (I hear Startup sound) Themes, Sounds looks the
    same as the one with no Startup sound issue.

    Motive for this, so I know Windows is finished booting up.

    ALTERNATIVE:

    I remember some time ago, on a Windows XP PC, there was a sub-folder called "Start Menu" or "Start". I put a program or link in that sub-folder
    to launch a program called "Memo" (reminder of appointments, etc.).

    Is there a similar place in Windows 10 that I could put a sound file?

    Thanks in advance, John

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Thu Feb 16 08:45:37 2023
    <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

    My other Win10 laptop (I hear Startup sound) Themes, Sounds looks the
    same as the one with no Startup sound issue.

    Motive for this, so I know Windows is finished booting up.

    ALTERNATIVE:

    I remember some time ago, on a Windows XP PC, there was a sub-folder
    called "Start Menu" or "Start". I put a program or link in that
    sub-folder to launch a program called "Memo" (reminder of
    appointments, etc.).

    Is there a similar place in Windows 10 that I could put a sound
    file?

    When the Windows Startup sound plays is not when Windows is done
    loading. You also have to wait until your Windows account loads, so you
    have a Windows session to do anything. Similarly, when the Logon sound
    plays, that is not when your user profile is done loading.

    You can use Task Scheduler to run a program on login, but that is not
    when Windows is done loading all services and startup programs. In Task Scheduler define an event that "runs on logon". I suspect if you just
    specify the .wav file that a default player will load. You could
    specify whichever program you want to play a sound file providing the
    program has a CLI (command-line interface) that accepts command-line
    arguments to specify the sound file to the program.

    You can use Powershell to play an audio file, but the command shell for Powershell might remain open.

    powershell -c (New-Object Media.SoundPlayer "C:\Windows\Media\Windows Startup.wav").PlaySync();

    Obviously you can specify whatever sound file you want in the command
    line argument.

    You have not yet disclosed if you found a "Windows Startup.wav" file in
    the C:\Windows\Media folder, and what you hear when you play it.

    Have you yet looked at the sound levels in the Mixer app?

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  • From jaugustine@verizon.net@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 10:55:20 2023
    <SNIP>
    When the Windows Startup sound plays is not when Windows is done
    loading. You also have to wait until your Windows account loads, so you
    have a Windows session to do anything. Similarly, when the Logon sound >plays, that is not when your user profile is done loading.

    You can use Task Scheduler to run a program on login, but that is not
    when Windows is done loading all services and startup programs. In Task >Scheduler define an event that "runs on logon". I suspect if you just >specify the .wav file that a default player will load. You could
    specify whichever program you want to play a sound file providing the
    program has a CLI (command-line interface) that accepts command-line >arguments to specify the sound file to the program.

    You can use Powershell to play an audio file, but the command shell for >Powershell might remain open.

    powershell -c (New-Object Media.SoundPlayer "C:\Windows\Media\Windows Startup.wav").PlaySync();

    Obviously you can specify whatever sound file you want in the command
    line argument.

    You have not yet disclosed if you found a "Windows Startup.wav" file in
    the C:\Windows\Media folder, and what you hear when you play it.

    I did in an earlier reply. There is a "Windows Startup.wav" present.

    Have you yet looked at the sound levels in the Mixer app?

    I did not search for the Mixer app yet. I have heard other notification sounds such as when I plug in a USB flash drive, etc.

    The missing Startup sound is NO major issue. I can live without that
    sound.

    Thanks Vanguard, and others, for all your responses, John

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Fri Feb 17 11:16:57 2023
    <jaugustine@verizon.net> wrote:

    <SNIP>
    When the Windows Startup sound plays is not when Windows is done
    loading. You also have to wait until your Windows account loads, so you >>have a Windows session to do anything. Similarly, when the Logon sound >>plays, that is not when your user profile is done loading.

    You can use Task Scheduler to run a program on login, but that is not
    when Windows is done loading all services and startup programs. In Task >>Scheduler define an event that "runs on logon". I suspect if you just >>specify the .wav file that a default player will load. You could
    specify whichever program you want to play a sound file providing the >>program has a CLI (command-line interface) that accepts command-line >>arguments to specify the sound file to the program.

    You can use Powershell to play an audio file, but the command shell for >>Powershell might remain open.

    powershell -c (New-Object Media.SoundPlayer "C:\Windows\Media\Windows Startup.wav").PlaySync();

    Obviously you can specify whatever sound file you want in the command
    line argument.

    You have not yet disclosed if you found a "Windows Startup.wav" file in
    the C:\Windows\Media folder, and what you hear when you play it.

    I did in an earlier reply. There is a "Windows Startup.wav" present.

    Have you yet looked at the sound levels in the Mixer app?

    I did not search for the Mixer app yet. I have heard other notification sounds such as when I plug in a USB flash drive, etc.

    The missing Startup sound is NO major issue. I can live without that sound.

    Thanks Vanguard, and others, for all your responses, John

    Are you actually starting your computer with a cold boot, or from
    hibernation? Hibernation brings the computer back to the same state
    when Windows was last used. Since you'd be in a Windows session when
    you went into hibernation mode, there would be no Windows startup. With hibernation, you're skipping loading of Windows. Instead you are
    loading into memory an image of the state of Windows at the time it went
    into hibernation.

    There is no Windows startup when resuming from hibernation.

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  • From jaugustine@verizon.net@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 09:39:22 2023
    <SNIP>
    I did in an earlier reply. There is a "Windows Startup.wav" present. >>>
    Have you yet looked at the sound levels in the Mixer app?

    I did not search for the Mixer app yet. I have heard other notification >> sounds such as when I plug in a USB flash drive, etc.

    The missing Startup sound is NO major issue. I can live without that
    sound.

    Thanks Vanguard, and others, for all your responses, John

    Are you actually starting your computer with a cold boot, or from >hibernation? Hibernation brings the computer back to the same state
    when Windows was last used. Since you'd be in a Windows session when
    you went into hibernation mode, there would be no Windows startup. With >hibernation, you're skipping loading of Windows. Instead you are
    loading into memory an image of the state of Windows at the time it went
    into hibernation.

    There is no Windows startup when resuming from hibernation.

    Hi Vanguard,

    I am getting use to no startup sound.

    I do NOT use hibernation. I boot up from a complete
    shut down PC.

    I will not check back for any more responses to my post since I am use to the no Startup sound.

    Again Thanks, John

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Sat Feb 18 11:19:43 2023
    On 2/18/2023 9:39 AM, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    <SNIP>
    I did in an earlier reply. There is a "Windows Startup.wav" present. >>>>
    Have you yet looked at the sound levels in the Mixer app?

    I did not search for the Mixer app yet. I have heard other notification
    sounds such as when I plug in a USB flash drive, etc.

    The missing Startup sound is NO major issue. I can live without that >>> sound.

    Thanks Vanguard, and others, for all your responses, John

    Are you actually starting your computer with a cold boot, or from
    hibernation? Hibernation brings the computer back to the same state
    when Windows was last used. Since you'd be in a Windows session when
    you went into hibernation mode, there would be no Windows startup. With
    hibernation, you're skipping loading of Windows. Instead you are
    loading into memory an image of the state of Windows at the time it went
    into hibernation.

    There is no Windows startup when resuming from hibernation.

    Hi Vanguard,

    I am getting use to no startup sound.

    I do NOT use hibernation. I boot up from a complete
    shut down PC.

    I will not check back for any more responses to my post since I am use to
    the no Startup sound.

    Again Thanks, John

    Did you look at the picture I posted ?

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/g2jkwjzv/volume-mixer.gif

    It shows some sound options you can expect to find on
    Windows 10 or Windows 11. The Volume Mixer, which is
    accessible via a right-click of the speaker icon
    in the taskbar right-hand corner.

    System Sounds has its own slider for setting the volume.
    If that slider were set to zero, all system sounds would
    be muted.

    Since it is possible only your Startup sound is missing,
    it could be that your audio endpoint service is on
    delayed start, and the OS has played the sound...
    but it went into the vacuum of space because the
    sound subsystem was not in a running state at the time.

    There are a few ingredients necessary to make the
    sound subsystem work. And one of the dependencies
    isn't even properly listed in the Endpoint Builder.
    Sound, as a result, has the odd rough edge.

    Frequently, total silence is caused by the output
    port selection being wrong. This can be caused by
    manually installing a video card driver, and the
    sound driver available for HDMI sound, grabs the output
    away from the normal analog audio.

    Paul

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  • From Mr. Man-wai Chang@21:1/5 to jaugustine@verizon.net on Sun Feb 19 00:22:28 2023
    On 15/2/2023 4:34 am, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    Hi,

    I recently bought a Dell Inspiron 1525 laptop with
    Windows 10 installed.

    When I boot up, I do NOT hear a sound like I hear on
    my Dell Inspiron 1520 laptop with Windows 10.


    I don't own any Dell devices, but my Win 10 has NEVDER had a startup
    sound. You sure that it's not Dell's company anthem? :)

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Paul on Sat Feb 18 13:25:36 2023
    Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

    On 2/18/2023 9:39 AM, jaugustine@verizon.net wrote:
    <SNIP>
    I did in an earlier reply. There is a "Windows Startup.wav" present. >>>>>
    Have you yet looked at the sound levels in the Mixer app?

    I did not search for the Mixer app yet. I have heard other notification
    sounds such as when I plug in a USB flash drive, etc.

    The missing Startup sound is NO major issue. I can live without that >>>> sound.

    Thanks Vanguard, and others, for all your responses, John

    Are you actually starting your computer with a cold boot, or from
    hibernation? Hibernation brings the computer back to the same state
    when Windows was last used. Since you'd be in a Windows session when
    you went into hibernation mode, there would be no Windows startup. With >>> hibernation, you're skipping loading of Windows. Instead you are
    loading into memory an image of the state of Windows at the time it went >>> into hibernation.

    There is no Windows startup when resuming from hibernation.

    Hi Vanguard,

    I am getting use to no startup sound.

    I do NOT use hibernation. I boot up from a complete
    shut down PC.

    I will not check back for any more responses to my post since I am use to
    the no Startup sound.

    Again Thanks, John

    Did you look at the picture I posted ?

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/g2jkwjzv/volume-mixer.gif

    It shows some sound options you can expect to find on
    Windows 10 or Windows 11. The Volume Mixer, which is
    accessible via a right-click of the speaker icon
    in the taskbar right-hand corner.

    System Sounds has its own slider for setting the volume.
    If that slider were set to zero, all system sounds would
    be muted.

    Since it is possible only your Startup sound is missing,
    it could be that your audio endpoint service is on
    delayed start, and the OS has played the sound...
    but it went into the vacuum of space because the
    sound subsystem was not in a running state at the time.

    There are a few ingredients necessary to make the
    sound subsystem work. And one of the dependencies
    isn't even properly listed in the Endpoint Builder.
    Sound, as a result, has the odd rough edge.

    Frequently, total silence is caused by the output
    port selection being wrong. This can be caused by
    manually installing a video card driver, and the
    sound driver available for HDMI sound, grabs the output
    away from the normal analog audio.

    Paul

    Might Fast Startup skip by the sound event too fast? That's a hybrid of shutdown and hibernation.

    I disable Fast Startup as one of the initiation tasks when setting up a
    fresh install of Windows 10. I don't have super-slow HDDs. For the OS partitions, I use a 1 TB NVMe m.2 SSD, so startup is pretty quick. As I recall, during the build, I tested the difference, and Fast Startup was
    only a few seconds faster, but it gets in the way of hitting F5 to get
    to the BIOS screens, and I can't get at the boot-time menu to select
    which OS to load. I only have Windows 10 and Macrium Reflect to select
    from, but I want the choice if an update or new software install fucks
    over the computer, and I need to restore from a backup image.

    I've found forums where the user complained there was no startup sound
    when Fast Startup was enabled, but there was a startup sound when Fast
    Startup was disabled.

    Fast Startup causes too many other problems, too. The hybrid hibernate
    might make the startup faster, but it makes shutdown take longer, so you
    really haven't shortened the entire startup/shutdown process. However,
    many folks walk away from their computers when they shutdown, so they
    won't notice it takes longer, but they won't see if there was a hanging
    process or other process on shutdown, either.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Sat Feb 18 19:25:43 2023
    On 2/18/2023 2:25 PM, VanguardLH wrote:


    Might Fast Startup skip by the sound event too fast? That's a hybrid of shutdown and hibernation.

    I disable Fast Startup as one of the initiation tasks when setting up a
    fresh install of Windows 10. I don't have super-slow HDDs. For the OS partitions, I use a 1 TB NVMe m.2 SSD, so startup is pretty quick. As I recall, during the build, I tested the difference, and Fast Startup was
    only a few seconds faster, but it gets in the way of hitting F5 to get
    to the BIOS screens, and I can't get at the boot-time menu to select
    which OS to load. I only have Windows 10 and Macrium Reflect to select
    from, but I want the choice if an update or new software install fucks
    over the computer, and I need to restore from a backup image.

    I've found forums where the user complained there was no startup sound
    when Fast Startup was enabled, but there was a startup sound when Fast Startup was disabled.

    Fast Startup causes too many other problems, too. The hybrid hibernate
    might make the startup faster, but it makes shutdown take longer, so you really haven't shortened the entire startup/shutdown process. However,
    many folks walk away from their computers when they shutdown, so they
    won't notice it takes longer, but they won't see if there was a hanging process or other process on shutdown, either.

    Fast Startup is a hibernated kernel (Ring0, includes drivers). The
    drivers do a warm start. The fresh desktop session that goes
    with it, should really be able to signal "startup" if it wanted.
    The svchosts (Ring3), as far as I know, are started from scratch.

    But, because audio relies upon those services, and a service
    could have a delayed start, the startup sound temporally could
    be rather close to the delayed services start. I don't really know if
    they are clever enough to queue them up, when sound is not
    running. I would guess if a sound falls in the forest,
    no one would hear.

    On my Windows 10 VM, I'm not finding these. The Win11 I'm typing
    on, is as shown.

    Plug and Play Manual
    Multimedia Class Scheduler None on W11
    Windows Audio Automatic
    Windows Audio Endpoint Builder Automatic

    Hibernation only records used memory. Which is why the hibernation
    time is a good bit faster than a "pathological calculation". If
    my hiberfil.sys is 32GB (50% of 64GB) and the disk writes at 100MB/sec,
    I will probably never see a hibernation that takes five minutes.
    Ten seconds average would be closer (W11 should be slower).
    The memory compressor used, would be an LZO or LZ4 class
    compressor ("light" variety) so it does not impede the process too much.

    Paul

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