Lately my machine has been crunching away for reasons previously unknown.
I asked on the Windows newsgroup and they suggested running Memory Hogs. https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/23/memory-hogs/ http://michaels-tech-notes.info/software-database/ https://www.michaels-tech-notes.info/app/download/3888974/MemoryHogs.exe
It turns out, at least so far, that Thunderbird is likely what's hanging. https://i.postimg.cc/sg6DpCc9/hung.jpg
The problem now is I don't know how to debug WHY Thunderbird is hanging.
What would you do next if you found out it was Thunderbird hanging the
CPU?
I use the portable version of Thunderbird for my email. I haven't had
any of that problem for years.
On 8.2.2023 11:16, <@.> wrote:
I use the portable version of Thunderbird for my email. I haven't had
any of that problem for years.
I'm more interested in debugging Thunderbird since it must work.
There's something wrong with TB 91.5.0 - but I don't know what.
It's the debugging help that I need more than a workaround right now.
To be honest, with respect to your suggestion, ever since portable apps
came out, I could never understand why people use portable apps over the installed apps (for their own machines) - or vice versa for that matter.
I don't know what a portable app does on your personal machine that a normally installed app doesn't do that matters in terms of CPU hanging.
Anyway, I installed another debugger which confirms it's Thunderbird
hanging but I still need more Win10 debugging advice to figure out why. https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/what_is_hang.html
Here is a screen shot of the Nirsoft WhatIsHang reporting TB hanging too. https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
On 8.2.2023 11:16, <@.> wrote:
I use the portable version of Thunderbird for my email. I haven't had any of that problem for years.
I'm more interested in debugging Thunderbird since it must work.
There's something wrong with TB 91.5.0 - but I don't know what.
It's the debugging help that I need more than a workaround right now.
To be honest, with respect to your suggestion, ever since portable apps
came out, I could never understand why people use portable apps over the installed apps (for their own machines) - or vice versa for that matter.
I don't know what a portable app does on your personal machine that a normally installed app doesn't do that matters in terms of CPU hanging.
Anyway, I installed another debugger which confirms it's Thunderbird
hanging but I still need more Win10 debugging advice to figure out why. https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/what_is_hang.html
Here is a screen shot of the Nirsoft WhatIsHang reporting TB hanging too. https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
Lately my machine has been crunching away for reasons previously unknown.
I asked on the Windows newsgroup and they suggested running Memory Hogs. https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/23/memory-hogs/ http://michaels-tech-notes.info/software-database/ https://www.michaels-tech-notes.info/app/download/3888974/MemoryHogs.exe
It turns out, at least so far, that Thunderbird is likely what's hanging. https://i.postimg.cc/sg6DpCc9/hung.jpg
The problem now is I don't know how to debug WHY Thunderbird is hanging.
What would you do next if you found out it was Thunderbird hanging the CPU?
If you run Process Explorer as Administrator, you can
sometimes get a little more info.
Disable all add-ons in Thunderbird, exit, reload, and retest.
Disable anti-virus scanning of both incoming and outgoing e-mail
traffic. It is superfluous, anyway.
Use a default profile to eliminate any tweaking to settings. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-thunderbird-profiles
Lately my machine has been crunching away for reasons previously
unknown.
I asked on the Windows newsgroup and they suggested running Memory
Hogs.
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/23/memory-hogs/ http://michaels-tech-notes.info/software-database/ https://www.michaels-tech-notes.info/app/download/3888974/MemoryHogs.exe
It turns out, at least so far, that Thunderbird is likely what's
hanging.
https://i.postimg.cc/sg6DpCc9/hung.jpg
The problem now is I don't know how to debug WHY Thunderbird is
hanging. What would you do next if you found out it was Thunderbird
hanging the CPU?
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Disable anti-virus scanning of both incoming and outgoing e-mail
traffic. It is superfluous, anyway.
I have the Windows Defender anti virus.
Is it scanning my incoming/outgoing email?
Use a default profile to eliminate any tweaking to settings.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-thunderbird-profiles
I don't think I've "tweaked" any settings other than by the menus.
Why would Thunderbird hang just because I set it up how I like it?
My more important question is to find a Windows debugging tool that will
tell me what is it in Thunderbird that is causing it to hang.
Do you know what debugging to perform after WhatIsHanged tells you this? https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
On 09-02-2023 00:30 VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Disable all add-ons in Thunderbird, exit, reload, and retest.
Thanks for that advice.
As a matter of principle, I don't ever use addons or plugins in anything.
Not Firefox. Not Thunderbird. Not Chrome. Nothing.
Well, I recently had to add the Irfanview plugins.
But there are no addons or plugins that I've added to FF or TB.
Disable anti-virus scanning of both incoming and outgoing e-mail
traffic. It is superfluous, anyway.
I have the Windows Defender anti virus. Is it scanning my
incoming/outgoing email?
How would I know?
Use a default profile to eliminate any tweaking to settings.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-thunderbird-profiles
I don't think I've "tweaked" any settings other than by the menus.
Why would Thunderbird hang just because I set it up how I like it?
My more important question is to find a Windows debugging tool that will
tell me what is it in Thunderbird that is causing it to hang.
Do you know what debugging to perform after WhatIsHanged tells you this? https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
On 09-02-2023 00:30 VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Disable all add-ons in Thunderbird, exit, reload, and retest.
Thanks for that advice.
As a matter of principle, I don't ever use addons or plugins in anything.
Not Firefox. Not Thunderbird. Not Chrome. Nothing.
Well, I recently had to add the Irfanview plugins.
But there are no addons or plugins that I've added to FF or TB.
Disable anti-virus scanning of both incoming and outgoing e-mail
traffic. It is superfluous, anyway.
I have the Windows Defender anti virus.
Is it scanning my incoming/outgoing email?
How would I know?
Use a default profile to eliminate any tweaking to settings.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-thunderbird-profiles
I don't think I've "tweaked" any settings other than by the menus.
Why would Thunderbird hang just because I set it up how I like it?
My more important question is to find a Windows debugging tool that will
tell me what is it in Thunderbird that is causing it to hang.
Do you know what debugging to perform after WhatIsHanged tells you this? https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Disable anti-virus scanning of both incoming and outgoing e-mail
traffic. It is superfluous, anyway.
I have the Windows Defender anti virus.
Is it scanning my incoming/outgoing email?
No. E-mail scanning is superfluous. There no more pest detection with
or without e-mail traffic scanning. Whenever a file is created, like
saving an e-mail, or detaching an attached file (which is a MIME part
inside the body of the e-mail), the on-demand (real-time) AV scanner
gets used, the same one used to interrogate the e-mail traffic. E-mail scanning will sooner detect malware, but not afford more detection than
the on-access scanner. All e-mail AV scanning does is delay delivery of
the e-mail traffic to the client or to the server possibly causing
timeouts.
On 08-02-2023 05:51 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
If you run Process Explorer as Administrator, you can
sometimes get a little more info.
Thanks for that advice. I'll try that because what I want to do is find out WHY Thunderbird is hanging now that I know it's Thunderbird that's hanging. https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
One question I have is what is a "hidden process", which is a switch I had
to manually turn on in the suggested Memory Hogs program.
Memory Hogs Show Hidden Processes = off by default (I turned it on)
mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
On 09-02-2023 00:30 VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
I thought Thunderbird disabled Javascripting, by default, but I don't
know if there is an override possibly in the GUI config screens or in about:config.
I thought Thunderbird disabled Javascripting, by default, but I don't
know if there is an override possibly in the GUI config screens or in about:config.
On 2/8/2023 12:20 PM, mike wrote:
On 08-02-2023 05:51 Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
If you run Process Explorer as Administrator, you can
sometimes get a little more info.
Thanks for that advice. I'll try that because what I want to do is
find out
WHY Thunderbird is hanging now that I know it's Thunderbird that's
hanging.
https://i.postimg.cc/Vsg7ShQL/tbhung.jpg
One question I have is what is a "hidden process", which is a switch I
had
to manually turn on in the suggested Memory Hogs program.
Memory Hogs Show Hidden Processes = off by default (I turned it on)
There is a "Suspended" process. The image remains in memory,
but the thing does not receive time slices. The inventor of this
idea, thinks that the process can "start faster" this way. But
we don't know, during the current session, whether it will ever
start again or not.
VanguardLH wrote:
mike <this@address.is.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Disable anti-virus scanning of both incoming and outgoing e-mail
traffic. It is superfluous, anyway.
I have the Windows Defender anti virus.
Is it scanning my incoming/outgoing email?
No. E-mail scanning is superfluous. There no more pest detection with
or without e-mail traffic scanning. Whenever a file is created, like
saving an e-mail, or detaching an attached file (which is a MIME part
inside the body of the e-mail), the on-demand (real-time) AV scanner
gets used, the same one used to interrogate the e-mail traffic. E-mail
scanning will sooner detect malware, but not afford more detection than
the on-access scanner. All e-mail AV scanning does is delay delivery of
the e-mail traffic to the client or to the server possibly causing
timeouts.
Email scanning is better done at the mail server, and works very well.
On Wed, 8 Feb 2023 10:53:52 +0530, mike wrote:
Lately my machine has been crunching away for reasons previously unknown.
I asked on the Windows newsgroup and they suggested running Memory Hogs.
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/23/memory-hogs/
http://michaels-tech-notes.info/software-database/
https://www.michaels-tech-notes.info/app/download/3888974/MemoryHogs.exe
It turns out, at least so far, that Thunderbird is likely what's hanging.
https://i.postimg.cc/sg6DpCc9/hung.jpg
The problem now is I don't know how to debug WHY Thunderbird is hanging.
What would you do next if you found out it was Thunderbird hanging the CPU?
For email there are alternatives - use the web interface on your
browser.
If you really want to download email and save locally -
rather than use IMAP - try using Alpine as an alternative to
Thunderbird. You want to read the mail rather than debug the heap of
junk that Thunderbird turned into some time ago. There are better
things to do with your life!
Chinese spy balloon? - Mozilla Thunderbird
Inbox - Mozilla Thunderbird
mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
For email there are alternatives - use the web interface on your
browser.
Each to his own of course, but as far as I'm concerned, that's far and
away the worst possible way to do e-mail. There are many e-mail
clients available, and to me even the worst of them is better than
doing it in a browser.
If you really want to download email and save locally - rather than
use IMAP - try using Alpine as an alternative to Thunderbird. You
want to read the mail rather than debug the heap of junk that
Thunderbird turned into some time ago. There are better things to do
with your life!
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
Chinese spy balloon? - Mozilla Thunderbird
Inbox - Mozilla Thunderbird
You sure jump to conclusions without any reason to be so suspicious.
...
All that is what you can read Thunderbird conspiracies into, but I wouldn't as I'm sure you had the same conversations with your buddies using TB too.
My more important question is to find a Windows debugging tool that will
tell me what is it in Thunderbird that is causing it to hang.
Javascript is allowed to run when
you choose to render HTML-formatted e-mails
You sure jump to conclusions without any reason to be so suspicious.
The title falls into the realm of spam and phish e-mails. Obviously I
could not see the content of the e-mail assuming you weren't viewing a
web page inside of Thunderbird. My telescope still cannot bend around
the curvature of the Earth.
All that is what you can read Thunderbird conspiracies into, but I wouldn't >> as I'm sure you had the same conversations with your buddies using TB too.
And none of that used HTML, and you didn't open any web pages inside of
Tbird from links in the e-mail? None of the messages were huge in size,
or had lots of large attachments?
Someone here claimed Javascript is never allowed to execute from
messages (but is necessary for some functions within Tbird, and
Javascript is needed by add-ons yet you've kept the one you have without testing by disabling it temporarily). Javascript is allowed to run when
you choose to render HTML-formatted e-mails in a web tab; i.e., you're allowing Tbird to render the HTML e-mail as a web page. Add-ons (that
use Javascript), any userchrome.css customizations use Javascript, and
any web rendering uses Javascript, and Javascript can get stuck in
loops, especially if some resources are blocked that the script within
the page expects to be, by default, to be available, like with ad
blockers whose purpose is to break web pages.
Which e-mail protocols are you using in Tbird? POP only see the Inbox
folder in your account while IMAP can see (and syncs on) all the
subscribed folders. Did you yet try using the webmail client to your
account to check sizes of messages sitting in your account? What is
your refresh rate for mail polls?
VanguardLH wrote:
Javascript is allowed to run when
you choose to render HTML-formatted e-mails
You keep saying that without any evidence, send yourself an html email containing
<script>alert("BOO!");</script>
do you get a javascript popup message when reading it?
VanguardLH wrote:
Javascript is allowed to run when
you choose to render HTML-formatted e-mails
You keep saying that without any evidence, send yourself an html email containing
<script>alert("BOO!");</script>
do you get a javascript popup message when reading it?
On 09-02-2023 01:05 VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
You sure jump to conclusions without any reason to be so suspicious.
The title falls into the realm of spam and phish e-mails. Obviously I
could not see the content of the e-mail assuming you weren't viewing a
web page inside of Thunderbird. My telescope still cannot bend around
the curvature of the Earth.
Which is exactly _why_ you shouldn't jump to wild conclusions.
It's what racists do. > It's also how marketing works.
They hint at something and then let you built your own spurious story.
When solving technical problems, it doesn't help to jump to wild
conclusions but you're certainly welcome to ask if it was a nefarious
email.
It wasn't.
All that is what you can read Thunderbird conspiracies into, but I
wouldn't
as I'm sure you had the same conversations with your buddies using TB
too.
Lately my machine has been crunching away for reasons previously unknown.
I asked on the Windows newsgroup and they suggested running Memory Hogs. https://www.ghacks.net/2017/01/23/memory-hogs/ http://michaels-tech-notes.info/software-database/ https://www.michaels-tech-notes.info/app/download/3888974/MemoryHogs.exe
It turns out, at least so far, that Thunderbird is likely what's hanging. https://i.postimg.cc/sg6DpCc9/hung.jpg
The problem now is I don't know how to debug WHY Thunderbird is hanging.
What would you do next if you found out it was Thunderbird hanging the CPU?
On 2/9/2023 8:30 AM, mike wrote:
On 09-02-2023 01:05 VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
You sure jump to conclusions without any reason to be so suspicious.
The title falls into the realm of spam and phish e-mails. Obviously I
could not see the content of the e-mail assuming you weren't viewing a
web page inside of Thunderbird. My telescope still cannot bend around
the curvature of the Earth.
Which is exactly _why_ you shouldn't jump to wild conclusions.
It's what racists do. > It's also how marketing works.
They hint at something and then let you built your own spurious story.
I don't know why Vanguard is helping you after the last two ridiculous
posts of yours? YOU are the one who has jumped to "wild conclusions"
along with a little name calling. He should have told you to fuck off
after this post.
When solving technical problems, it doesn't help to jump to wild
conclusions but you're certainly welcome to ask if it was a nefarious
email.
Again, here is where YOU jump to conclusions. His reaction was to check
for some of the typical things that cause hanging in e-mail. Then you
post a mile long page of all the shit you talked about that nobody gives
a flying fuck on, and call him names. That was sure helpful on your part.
It wasn't.
All that is what you can read Thunderbird conspiracies into, but I
wouldn't
as I'm sure you had the same conversations with your buddies using TB
too.
Yeah, you need some help. Try alt.kooks
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
You sure jump to conclusions without any reason to be so suspicious.
The title falls into the realm of spam and phish e-mails. Obviously I
could not see the content of the e-mail assuming you weren't viewing a
web page inside of Thunderbird. My telescope still cannot bend around
the curvature of the Earth.
Which is exactly _why_ you shouldn't jump to wild conclusions.
It's what racists do.
I gave up on Tbird around 3+ years years after several trials the
last of which lasted 6 months. So, I defer ultimate analysis to actual
Tbird users. As I recall, you could load e-mails in a web tab inside of Tbird;
VanguardLH wrote:
I gave up on Tbird around 3+ years years after several trials the
last of which lasted 6 months. So, I defer ultimate analysis to actual
Tbird users. As I recall, you could load e-mails in a web tab inside of
Tbird;
About the only pages I ever see TB load in a web tab, are the TB release notes, not emails, if someone installs an add-on to do it, that's their look-out
Andy Burns wrote:
About the only pages I ever see TB load in a web tab, are the TB release
notes
And the "View -> Message Body As -> Original HTML" menu option is no
longer present?
VanguardLH wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
About the only pages I ever see TB load in a web tab, are the TB release >>> notes
And the "View -> Message Body As -> Original HTML" menu option is no
longer present?
Of course it is, but it only renders a html email in the message pane
area, not in a web tab, and it doesn't run any javascript.
As a matter of principle, I don't ever use addons or
plugins in anything. Not Firefox. Not Thunderbird. Not
Chrome. Nothing.
I'm only using TB for email on Windows, using IMAP only.
On Android I use the TB K9 mail user agent.
I never use a web browser to get email on any platform.
I think what I'm going to do is delete TB and reinstall it.
What's holding me up is I don't want to lose the email.
I think I'll follow the advice to install the portable TB instead.
That advice said the mail folders would be saved in that portable folder.
My biggest worry about uninstalling & re-installing TB is losing my mail.
But since it's all on IMAP, I probably won't lose a thing.
Still. I worry.
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