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  • upgrade to Windows 11, choice: Yes or Yes....

    From Rink@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 20:03:41 2023
    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
    "Get it"
    or
    "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-windows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>


    No is no answer.....

    Rink

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Rink on Mon Feb 6 00:09:16 2023
    On 05/02/2023 19:03, Rink wrote:
    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
        "Get it"
    or
        "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-windows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>

    No is no answer.....

    What is the best method of making damn sure that a PC with Windows 10 on
    it will receive updates to Windows 10 (including what used to be termed
    service packs) but will not ever be upgraded to Windows 11?

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11? I know that my PC is capable
    because I've seen the message saying words to the effect of "this PC is
    capable of being updated; we'll let you know when the upgrade is available".

    Unless I can change the UI of Win 11 to Win 10 (which in turn is changed
    to Win 7 via Classic Shell), I don't want to go anywhere near Win 11.
    From setting up other people's new PCs (when I don't chance to
    experiment, as I would if it was my own PC), Win 11 is horrible.

    Why do Microsoft feel the need to keep changing the UI (eg the Start
    Menu, the Quick Launch icons on the task bar, etc) every time they bring
    out a new version? Why can't they leave the "controls" the same even
    when they upgrade the "engine" (to use a car analogy)?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to Rink on Sun Feb 5 20:57:55 2023
    On 2/5/2023 2:03 PM, Rink wrote:
    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
        "Get it"
    or
        "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-windows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>

    No is no answer.....

    Rink

    You can block the "upgrade".

    https://www.grc.com/freepopular.htm

    InControl

    (left-most picture here, shows entering a Win version and release, to be maintained)

    https://www.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/incontrol-windows-target-release-update-1536x595.png

    That should mark some things in your Windows Update as "under the
    control of your organization".

    On Pro, there is a GPEDIT.msc page with that setting, and you
    enter the OS you want, and the release (22H2) you want to stop at.
    For a Home user, that grc utility is easy to use.

    Paul

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Rink on Sun Feb 5 19:33:02 2023
    On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:03:41 +0100, Rink wrote:

    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
    "Get it"
    or
    "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-windows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>


    No is no answer.....

    Not unlike WAY too many sites that give you only one choice for their
    cookies: "I accept".

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Feb 5 19:36:24 2023
    On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:57:55 -0500, Paul wrote:
    On Pro, there is a GPEDIT.msc page with that setting, and you
    enter the OS you want, and the release (22H2) you want to stop at.
    For a Home user, that grc utility is easy to use.

    I'm a Pro user, and grc was easy for me to use too. :-)

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 19:35:23 2023
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 00:09:16 +0000, NY wrote:
    What is the best method of making damn sure that a PC with Windows 10 on
    it will receive updates to Windows 10 (including what used to be termed service packs) but will not ever be upgraded to Windows 11?


    Get the free incontrol.exe from GRC.com. Steve Gibson (site owner)
    pioneered the standard utility to block forced updates to Windows 10,
    and he has since updated it to let you pick the version of Windows
    beyond which you are not willing to upgrade.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl on Mon Feb 6 09:55:16 2023
    In message <trouid$2lb7k$2@dont-email.me>, Rink <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> writes
    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
    "Get it"
    or
    "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-wind >ows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>

    No is no answer.....

    Rink

    Can you schedule it for 50 years hence?
    --
    John Hall "Do you have cornflakes in America?"
    "Well, actually, they're American."
    "So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
    Bill Bryson: "Notes from a Small Island"

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 03:22:32 2023
    On 2023-02-06 01:09, NY wrote:
    On 05/02/2023 19:03, Rink wrote:
    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
         "Get it"
    or
         "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-windows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>

    No is no answer.....

    What is the best method of making damn sure that a PC with Windows 10 on
    it will receive updates to Windows 10 (including what used to be termed service packs) but will not ever be upgraded to Windows 11?

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.


    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From milsabords@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 13:06:28 2023
    NY a couché sur son écran :

    Unless I can change the UI of Win 11 to Win 10 (which in turn is changed to Win 7 via Classic Shell), I don't want to go anywhere near Win 11. From setting up other people's new PCs (when I don't chance to experiment, as I would if it was my own PC), Win 11 is horrible.

    Open Shell and Explorer Patcher work well on Win11. On my laptop I have
    the Win7 UI.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Feb 6 12:23:35 2023
    Carlos E.R. wrote:

    NY wrote:

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.

    Doesn't prevent Windows10 from saying "You might be able to reconfigure
    your hardware to allow upgrade to Windows11".

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  • From dyno dan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 6 08:21:23 2023
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 09:55:16 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk>
    wrote:

    In message <trouid$2lb7k$2@dont-email.me>, Rink ><rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> writes
    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
    "Get it"
    or
    "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-wind >>ows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>

    No is no answer.....

    Rink

    Can you schedule it for 50 years hence?


    There is a free program available called StopUpdates10 (https://www.greatis.com/stopupdates10/) that allows just that. I'm
    using it. It works and I have not had any problems with it.

    -dan z-
    __


    --
    Protect your civil rights!
    Let the politicians know how you feel.
    Join or donate to the NRA today! http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR014887
    (use cut and paste to your browser if necessary)

    Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Feb 6 14:34:39 2023
    On 2023-02-06 13:23, Andy Burns wrote:
    Carlos E.R. wrote:

    NY wrote:

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.

    Doesn't prevent Windows10 from saying "You might be able to reconfigure
    your hardware to allow upgrade to Windows11".

    LOL. What a pest.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Ken Blake@21:1/5 to me@privacy.net on Mon Feb 6 08:32:55 2023
    On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 00:09:16 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 05/02/2023 19:03, Rink wrote:
    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
        "Get it"
    or
        "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-windows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>

    No is no answer.....

    What is the best method of making damn sure that a PC with Windows 10 on
    it will receive updates to Windows 10 (including what used to be termed >service packs) but will not ever be upgraded to Windows 11?

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11? I know that my PC is capable >because I've seen the message saying words to the effect of "this PC is >capable of being updated; we'll let you know when the upgrade is available".

    Unless I can change the UI of Win 11 to Win 10 (which in turn is changed
    to Win 7 via Classic Shell), I don't want to go anywhere near Win 11.

    I run Windows 11 with Start 11 ($4.99 but with a 30-day free trial).
    It makes the UI almost exactly like Windows 7's


    From setting up other people's new PCs (when I don't chance to
    experiment, as I would if it was my own PC), Win 11 is horrible.

    Why do Microsoft feel the need to keep changing the UI (eg the Start
    Menu, the Quick Launch icons on the task bar, etc) every time they bring
    out a new version? Why can't they leave the "controls" the same even
    when they upgrade the "engine" (to use a car analogy)?


    I almost completely agree. As far as I'm concerned, it's OK to have a
    changed interface as an option, but the old interface should also
    remain as an option.

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  • From Mark Lloyd@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Mon Feb 6 11:58:33 2023
    On 2/6/23 06:23, Andy Burns wrote:
    Carlos E.R. wrote:

    NY wrote:

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.

    Doesn't prevent Windows10 from saying "You might be able to reconfigure
    your hardware to allow upgrade to Windows11".
    I don't think it would force you to reconfigure, so you won't get Win 11.

    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Beam me aboard, Scotty!" [-] "Will a 2 x 4 do, Captain?"

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  • From Sam E@21:1/5 to Stan Brown on Mon Feb 6 12:00:52 2023
    On 2/5/23 21:33, Stan Brown wrote:
    On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 20:03:41 +0100, Rink wrote:

    Years ago it was humor, but now it's reality:

    For a "Free upgrade to Windows 11", you have two choices:
    "Get it"
    or
    "Schedule it"....

    <https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reportedly-shows-full-screen-windows-11-upgrade-ads-with-two-yes-buttons/>


    No is no answer.....

    Not unlike WAY too many sites that give you only one choice for their cookies: "I accept".

    There's always the 'back' button.

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  • From Mark Lloyd@21:1/5 to Carlos E.R. on Mon Feb 6 11:56:52 2023
    On 2/5/23 20:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    [snip]

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.

    or disable secure boot.

    --
    Mark Lloyd
    http://notstupid.us/

    "Beam me aboard, Scotty!" [-] "Will a 2 x 4 do, Captain?"

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Mark Lloyd on Mon Feb 6 19:54:04 2023
    Mark Lloyd wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    Carlos E.R. wrote:

    NY wrote:

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears
    that the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.

    Doesn't prevent Windows10 from saying "You might be able to
    reconfigure your hardware to allow upgrade to Windows11".

    I don't think it would force you to reconfigure, so you won't get Win 11.

    I won't force you, but I think the suggestion is what annoys people?

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Wed Feb 8 18:50:05 2023
    On 2023-02-06 20:54, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mark Lloyd wrote:
    Andy Burns wrote:
    Carlos E.R. wrote:
    NY wrote:

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears
    that the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.

    Doesn't prevent Windows10 from saying "You might be able to
    reconfigure your hardware to allow upgrade to Windows11".

    I don't think it would force you to reconfigure, so you won't get Win 11.

    I won't force you, but I think the suggestion is what annoys people?

    There are degrees of annoyance. Finding the system upgraded on my back
    is very annoying, but without TPM it won't.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Mark Lloyd on Wed Feb 8 18:50:48 2023
    On 2023-02-06 18:56, Mark Lloyd wrote:
    On 2/5/23 20:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:

    [snip]

    Is there an easy way to "denature" the PC hardware so it appears that
    the PC is not capable of running Win 11?

    Disable TPM.

    or disable secure boot.

    Maybe W10 would refuse to boot that way.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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