• Re: Question on HDMI

    From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Fri Feb 3 23:55:21 2023
    MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote:

    Does HDMI do 5.1 audio, specifically under Win 11?

    https://www.samsung.com/in/support/tv-audio-video/why-to-use-hdmi-cables-hdmi-v-s-component-cables/
    "HDMI supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD for 7.1-channel sound"

    Since it supports 7.1, it should also support 5.1.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_comparison
    Look at the table to see how many channels are supported by each HDMI
    version.

    As to what, if any, audio is supported by the backpanel connectors for
    your motherboard depends on what that motherboard chose to support.
    You'll have to lookup the specs on your motherboard.

    https://boomspeaker.com/5-1-sound-from-pc-hdmi/

    Also, just because the mobo had HDMI audio support at its connector
    doesn't mean audio is supported at the other end of the HDMI cable, like
    at your monitor. You need to investigate what the hardware supports at
    each end of the HDMI cable.

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  • From MajorLanGod@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 4 05:40:37 2023
    Does HDMI do 5.1 audio, specifically under Win 11?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Sat Feb 4 02:39:44 2023
    On 2/4/2023 12:55 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
    MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote:

    Does HDMI do 5.1 audio, specifically under Win 11?

    https://www.samsung.com/in/support/tv-audio-video/why-to-use-hdmi-cables-hdmi-v-s-component-cables/
    "HDMI supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD for 7.1-channel sound"

    Since it supports 7.1, it should also support 5.1.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_comparison
    Look at the table to see how many channels are supported by each HDMI version.

    As to what, if any, audio is supported by the backpanel connectors for
    your motherboard depends on what that motherboard chose to support.
    You'll have to lookup the specs on your motherboard.

    https://boomspeaker.com/5-1-sound-from-pc-hdmi/

    Also, just because the mobo had HDMI audio support at its connector
    doesn't mean audio is supported at the other end of the HDMI cable, like
    at your monitor. You need to investigate what the hardware supports at
    each end of the HDMI cable.


    The least-encumbered standard is 8 channel LPCM ("free").
    This should work with the two speakers in your LCD display.
    LPCM stands for Linear Pulse Code Modulation which are
    uncompressed DAC voltage samples.

    The Dolby items are licensed technology. Hollywood content
    licenses some of this, and more than one audio track could
    be on the BluRay disc.

    My video card would have an HDAUDIO driver which
    handles computer sound to the 8 channel LPCM
    on the HDMI cable.

    The audio can be set up, as long as the gear is
    all cabled up. Then any CEC or ARC or eARC or
    whatever, can work.

    [Picture]

    https://i.postimg.cc/MZ0cNx89/HDMI-Audio-Maybe.gif

    I don't have any gear like this, no fancy Sound Bar, so
    cannot test TV Room Configurations. That's why I had to
    cheat a little in that picture, to show the dynamic
    possibilities in the system settings.

    The onboard RealTek analog audio chip, and its driver, would
    only be involved with ancient HDMI video cards that had a passthru
    digital connector on the top edge. Modern video cards have the HDAUDIO
    right on the video card, and it works as soon as a driver
    from the video card company is loaded.

    With Windows 10, all the drivers load automatically. In Device Manager
    I have:

    Sound, video and game controllers
    AMD High Definition Audio Device (Turned off - this is the GPU inside the CPU)
    NVidia High Definition Audio 8ch LPCM over HDMI
    Realtek Audio Analog audio choice

    The Windows controls allow you to configure the device used
    and the details of that port and its speaker configuration.
    Clicking the Test button, causes sound to come out of each
    speaker.

    Paul

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  • From MajorLanGod@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Sat Feb 4 21:46:57 2023
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:qorunrsxblp3$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:

    MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote:

    Does HDMI do 5.1 audio, specifically under Win 11?

    https://www.samsung.com/in/support/tv-audio-video/why-to-use-hdmi-cable s-hdmi-v-s-component-cables/ "HDMI supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD
    for 7.1-channel sound"

    Since it supports 7.1, it should also support 5.1.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_comparison
    Look at the table to see how many channels are supported by each HDMI version.

    As to what, if any, audio is supported by the backpanel connectors for
    your motherboard depends on what that motherboard chose to support.
    You'll have to lookup the specs on your motherboard.

    https://boomspeaker.com/5-1-sound-from-pc-hdmi/

    Also, just because the mobo had HDMI audio support at its connector
    doesn't mean audio is supported at the other end of the HDMI cable,
    like at your monitor. You need to investigate what the hardware
    supports at each end of the HDMI cable.


    My reason for asking: Running on a basic laptop - Acer Aspire 5 - and
    recently upgraded froma pair of cheap external speakers to a Klipst
    stereo plus subwoofer. Makes a great difference just adding better bass
    to stereo. That got me thinking about the great 5.1 setup I had with my
    tower I no longer have. That mobo had all the plugs, etc. for true 5.1. I
    would have to at a minimum add some software to deliver 5.1 sound, and
    just wanted to make sure HDMI can handle it.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to MajorLanGod on Sat Feb 4 17:20:32 2023
    On 2/4/2023 4:46 PM, MajorLanGod wrote:
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:qorunrsxblp3$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:

    MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote:

    Does HDMI do 5.1 audio, specifically under Win 11?

    https://www.samsung.com/in/support/tv-audio-video/why-to-use-hdmi-cable
    s-hdmi-v-s-component-cables/ "HDMI supports Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD
    for 7.1-channel sound"

    Since it supports 7.1, it should also support 5.1.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_comparison
    Look at the table to see how many channels are supported by each HDMI
    version.

    As to what, if any, audio is supported by the backpanel connectors for
    your motherboard depends on what that motherboard chose to support.
    You'll have to lookup the specs on your motherboard.

    https://boomspeaker.com/5-1-sound-from-pc-hdmi/

    Also, just because the mobo had HDMI audio support at its connector
    doesn't mean audio is supported at the other end of the HDMI cable,
    like at your monitor. You need to investigate what the hardware
    supports at each end of the HDMI cable.


    My reason for asking: Running on a basic laptop - Acer Aspire 5 - and recently upgraded froma pair of cheap external speakers to a Klipst
    stereo plus subwoofer. Makes a great difference just adding better bass
    to stereo. That got me thinking about the great 5.1 setup I had with my
    tower I no longer have. That mobo had all the plugs, etc. for true 5.1. I would have to at a minimum add some software to deliver 5.1 sound, and
    just wanted to make sure HDMI can handle it.


    There are a couple situations with sound.

    Some of them, the source media already has content with
    the correct number of channels.

    Passing this content to the equipment, it just comes out
    of the speakers, and only a volume control (on the peripheral)
    is offered for interaction. The computer does little to influence
    the audio.

    In analog sound systems, different brands use HRTF. There was
    a key patent for this, various small chip companies were using it,
    then Creative managed to buy the patent and it then stripped
    the other small companies (which were licensing it) of using it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-related_transfer_function

    In this rant, you can see that some aspects of sound transformation,
    were degraded.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/40qhph/how_creative_nearly_brought_back_great_pc_audio/

    All I remember, is at least some sound cards, would allow transforming
    from a 2 channel setup to 5.1 (which isn't guaranteed to sound great),
    and perhaps from 7.1 to 5.1 (where there is sufficient information
    content to do a good job). But you might not see this offered in
    GUI interfaces, they way it used to be offered in older OSes.

    If you have a six channel FLAC recording, it might not come out
    of the speakers properly.

    So while it is fun to pretend your brand new 5.1 or 7.1 amp and
    speakers will be "functional all the time", for a lot of the time
    it'll be in 2.0 mode or 2.1 mode ("yay, my sub works").

    Early in Windows 10, the custom graphical equalizer might have worked
    on your PC, but for all I know, it might have been stomped out
    for good now. My Soundmax had an equalizer.

    Sound on Windows, has almost as sad a history as sound on Linux (PulseAudio). There was at least one competing sound standard, that might have concentrated on the sound aspect and not the ego of the developer.

    So if you can't figure out, at a given instant, why the sound
    seems "goofy" and not a correct projection, sound has a long
    history, and lots of twists and turns.

    Paul

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  • From Carlos E.R.@21:1/5 to Paul on Sun Feb 5 00:48:13 2023
    On 2023-02-04 23:20, Paul wrote:
    On 2/4/2023 4:46 PM, MajorLanGod wrote:
    VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in news:qorunrsxblp3$.dlg@v.nguard.lh:
    MajorLanGod <lonelydad58@gmail.com> wrote:


    Sound on Windows, has almost as sad a history as sound on Linux (PulseAudio). There was at least one competing sound standard, that might have concentrated on the sound aspect and not the ego of the developer.

    So if you can't figure out, at a given instant, why the sound
    seems "goofy" and not a correct projection, sound has a long
    history, and lots of twists and turns.

    New twist on Linux: Pipewire.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PipeWire

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.

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