Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
Which is a pity,
especially for microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
which is the busiest English language newsgroup
for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
-Â Â Â paganini.bofh.team
-Â Â Â freenews.netfront.net
Both are free newsservers.
If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
groups anymore.
On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
 Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
This is the status of Eternal September.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cm2v8kkbbds.fsf%40raybanana.net%3E
  "Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:38:23 +0100
   More than 11 years after Microsoft closed down their news server
and the
   microsoft support groups, and in the light of the current influx of spam
   from Google to the microsft.* groups, this hierarchy has now been
   removed from Eternal-September.
  "
*******
AIOE had a RAID failure a week ago (not a "degrade", a complete
and utter "fail").
It will be a number of weeks, to bring it up from scratch.
Reinstall INN. Redo all the peering, and so on.
At the current time, the rental machine in the COLO, answers
a ping on just one address, and that is about the level of
support you get in a COLO. When local DNS is re-added to the machine,
then the multiple machine names will work again.
  Paul
"Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
| You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
| - paganini.bofh.team
| - freenews.netfront.net
|
| Both are free newsservers.
| If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
| groups anymore.
|
I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
Chinese website.
Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
$30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
online.
Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than $30
to make a bank transfer
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
"Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
| You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
| - paganini.bofh.team
| - freenews.netfront.net
|
| Both are free newsservers.
| If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
| groups anymore.
|
I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
Chinese website.
Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
$30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
online.
On 2/2/2023 9:37 pm, Newyana2 wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
Per Paul said, Micro$oft has switched to web-based forums.
Microsoft Community
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.
|
A few yers ago I was making a side income selling my
shareware. Paypal showed up, which presented an easier
way for people to pay. But they insisted that software
authors open a bank account under their control. There
were horror stories of PP taking out peoples' money and
not returning it. It turned out they were not just a payment
service. They wanted optimum customer satisfaction, but
wanted the merchaants to be responsible. So if someone
bought software and then changed their mind, the author
would lose the payment *plus* the fee. Eventually, selling
software was threatening to cost money rather than gain it.
So I avoid PP partly out of principle, and partly because
they're just yet another unnecessary middleman sucking
money out of the transaction.
In message <trj4be$1ffi2$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2
<Newyana2@invalid.nospam> writes
Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than $30
to make a bank transfer
Good grief! That's daylight robbery.
"Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
| You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
| - paganini.bofh.team
| - freenews.netfront.net
|
| Both are free newsservers.
| If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
| groups anymore.
|
I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
Chinese website.
Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
$30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
online.
Thanks to you both. It sounds like maybe AIOE will eventually
bring them back. It's a shame with E-S. As you noted, David, there
are alternatives, but the MS groups were the only ones being
used. The VB6 group has actually been fairly active recently.
"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
| I also have been using Paypal for some years, no issues.
|
A few yers ago I was making a side income selling my
shareware. Paypal showed up, which presented an easier
way for people to pay. But they insisted that software
authors open a bank account under their control. There
were horror stories of PP taking out peoples' money and
not returning it. It turned out they were not just a payment
service. They wanted optimum customer satisfaction, but
wanted the merchaants to be responsible. So if someone
bought software and then changed their mind, the author
would lose the payment *plus* the fee. Eventually, selling
software was threatening to cost money rather than gain it.
So I avoid PP partly out of principle, and partly because
they're just yet another unnecessary middleman sucking
money out of the transaction.
In article <trgeb1$tcg3$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2@invalid.nospam
says...
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
They are still there on Paganini server
In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Mr. Man-wai Chang <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2/2/2023 9:37 pm, Newyana2 wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
Per Paul said, Micro$oft has switched to web-based forums.
Microsoft Community
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us
I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
This is the status of Eternal September.
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cm2v8kkbbds.fsf%40raybanana.net%3E
"Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:38:23 +0100
More than 11 years after Microsoft closed down their news server and the microsoft support groups, and in the light of the current influx of spam
from Google to the microsft.* groups, this hierarchy has now been
removed from Eternal-September.
In article <trgeb1$tcg3$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2@invalid.nospam
says...
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
They are still there on Paganini server
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote
| Switch to news.mixmin.net:563 . Does not appear
| to support port 119.
|
| news.mixmin.net/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
|
That seems to work, but it looks like only about half
the posts are there. ?
On Fri, 3 Feb 2023 15:18:04 -0000, Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
In article <trgeb1$tcg3$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2@invalid.nospam
says...
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
They are still there on Paganini server
Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet server on the planet
stops carrying them, which is something that hasn't happened in many
decades, AFAIK.
Individual servers may decide to stop carrying a specific newsgroup, or individual servers may have technical issues, but the rest of the Usenet infrastructure carries on.
It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar.
Micro$oft could have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet.
On 4/2/2023 3:55 am, Ant wrote:
I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar. Micro$oft could
have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet. It's do-able. They got
the money to do it anyway. ;)
I remember the days of Vsiaul Foxpro being talked about in relevant
Usenet newsgroups.
I think I have one Big-8 group in my list, and I've never
posted to it.
On 4/2/2023 3:55 am, Ant wrote:
I still remember when newsgroup users got mad for them wanting to shut
down their msnews.microsoft.com usenet server. They backed out and
years(?) later, it was finally shut down. :( I still prefer newsgroups
over web forums. Yes, I'm an old fart. ;P
It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar. Micro$oft could
have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet. It's do-able.
They got
the money to do it anyway. ;)
I remember the days of Vsiaul Foxpro being talked about in relevant
Usenet newsgroups.
On 03/02/2023 15:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
...
Which is a pity,
especially for microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
which is the busiest English language newsgroup
for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
-Â Â Â paganini.bofh.team
-Â Â Â freenews.netfront.net
Both are free newsservers.
If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
groups anymore.
I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
no idea if they work.
I just tried <microsoft.public.windowsxp.general> on
News.Individual.net. It works, and there are plenty of recent (2023)
posts there.
On 2023-02-03 14:42, Rink wrote:
Op 2-2-2023 om 16:40 schreef Paul:
On 2/2/2023 8:37 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
...
Which is a pity,
especially for microsoft.public.windowsxp.general ,
which is the busiest English language newsgroup
for Windows XP, as Newyana2 already wrote.
You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
-Â Â Â paganini.bofh.team
-Â Â Â freenews.netfront.net
Both are free newsservers.
If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
groups anymore.
I have a bunch of microsoft.* groups listed on News.Individual.NET, but
no idea if they work.
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
It's sad to see newsgroups gone from Micro$oft's radar.
You speak as though that happened recently, rather than nearly 13 years ago?
Micro$oft could have sync between Micro$oft Community and Usenet.
Actually, MS did implement a forums to NNTP bridge, I never used it so
have no idea how kludgy it was, but I can imagine ...
<https://web.archive.org/web/20100430183455/http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/>
For a company doing user support a web forum seems to have advantages.
They (as administrator) can remove posts, remove posters, edit posts
(even of other people), have private messages... Ah, and add photos,
which on Windows issues do help.
Paul wrote:
I think I have one Big-8 group in my list, and I've never
posted to it.
Similar, my groups are mostly uk.* and alt.*
with just three comp.* groups
On 4/2/2023 6:51 pm, Carlos E.R. wrote:
For a company doing user support a web forum seems to have advantages.
They (as administrator) can remove posts, remove posters, edit posts
(even of other people), have private messages... Ah, and add photos,
which on Windows issues do help.
I don't remmeber M$ newsgroups in Usenet being spammed or abused. I
dunno whether they were moderated back then ...
On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
"Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
| You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
| - paganini.bofh.team
| - freenews.netfront.net
|
| Both are free newsservers.
| If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
| groups anymore.
|
  I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
Chinese website.
   Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
$30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
online.
There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
a flood :-)
The flood conducted via AIOE, resulted in the admin getting
angry and doing some stuff he shouldn't have. One of the
few times I saw Paolo lose his cool.
The little things add up, so "we can't have nice things".
  Paul
Op 3-2-2023 om 17:31 schreef Paul:
On 2/3/2023 9:05 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
"Rink" <rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote
| You can still read the microsoft.* hierarchy on the newsservers:
| - paganini.bofh.team
| - freenews.netfront.net
|
| Both are free newsservers.
| If you can post, I don't know, because I do not follow microsoft.*
| groups anymore.
|
  I just tried Netfront. It worked fine, but says I can't post.
What would be the point of a newsgroup where you can't post?!
I tried to visit the domain, netfront.net. It seems to be a
Chinese website.
   Individual.net looks like an option, but it costs me more than
$30 to make a bank transfer, I would never use PayPal, and
I don't trust the security with either. I'm happy paying a few
dollars per year, but I'm not happy giving out payment details
online.
There were some floods a while back. The flood conducted
via netfront.net, resulted in the operator of that server
taking it read-only. That's the "zero labor" way to stop
a flood :-)
I think you mean news.neodome.net ......
As a matter to interest to anyone who cares, I have two rec* groupsand the other nine are all alt*.
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts.
If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple
news servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.
Ken Blake wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple
news servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.
I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
Several such servers were mentioned in this (long) thread, but why not
just look on 'your' server!? :-)
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
Yes.
See, new traffic.
https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
But you can't get headers there. (It might require logging in
and the function might still be disabled for all I know.)
What read-only servers can a person consult ?
Well, there is a server, which closed to posting after
the mid-year 2022 posting flood. I've been using it for
testing of slrn in Win11 bash shell (because it has a
legacy OVERVIEW.FMT message).
export NNTPSERVER=news.netfront.net
slrn --create # populate ~/.jnewsrc with groups
Connecting to host news.netfront.net ... # port 119
grep ^microsoft .jnewsrc | wc -l # count the groups, returns "1772"
grep windowsxp .jnewsrc # returns "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general"
# and a bunch more.
By adding that server to your Thunderbird or similar NNTP
client, you can do header analysis, and see where we're posting from.
See, easy :-)
This is what SLRN looks like in bash shell on Windows 11.
[Picture]
https://i.postimg.cc/nrNw1Yf1/some-kinda-hobby2.gif
The beauty of the Internet, is none of it is reliable.
In the tap water sense. Enjoy whatcha got, while it lasts.
We've waited around a month or six weeks, for that
server to come back to operation.
Paul
On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news >> >servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:22:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:
On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
Yes.
Thanks.
Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news >> >> >servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.
Not you, Mayayana.
Why does he have a new nym?
Beats me.Why does it beat you? You have told us before that "Just in case there's
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news >>>>> servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.
Not you, Mayayana. Why does he have a new nym?
[...]
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
No, Thunderbird can not.
You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.
In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.
Ken Blake wrote on 3/20/2023 8:48 AM:
Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.
You probably meant to say Windows XP (not Windows 98)
- 98 predates XP by 2.5 years
- OE was included in ME the black-sheep o/s released after 98x and
prior to XP
- OE 4.0 was included in 98, 5.0 in 98SE, 5.5 in ME, and 6.0 in XP
fyi- those OE version numbers(above) also coincided with IE version
numbers.
The first consumer version of Windows without Outlook Express was >Vista(reeased in 2007)
Vista's included email client was Windows MailNot much different than OE, a few features missing(no Identities) but
the biggest change was using *.eml and *.nws files instead of OE's
archaic *.dbx files, the other significant changes was Windows Mail's use
of a separate database/different code for built-in backup, a few other >under-hood changes.
...but still an old dog with a just a different fur coat
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:
[Late response due to extended absence.]
Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
the MS groups have been among the best because they had
a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news >>>> servers/accounts.
I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
No, Thunderbird can not.
You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.
But can't you have a 'global inbox' like you can for e-mail, so that
all your articles from multiple servers are in one 'view'? (I use a
global inbox for e-mail in Thunderbird, but do not use thunderbird for
news.)
In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.
I also use a local proxy server (Hamster), but with a different
newsreader (tin).
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| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 297 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 08:24:09 |
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