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  • How do people build a personal web site nowadays?

    From gtr@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 30 13:08:56 2023
    Long ago I had a web site with GoDaddy and I maintained it, but that was in
    the Apache days of dogpile searches (way before google) and a page of web
    sites I liked (again, before search engines were widespread).

    How do people go about it nowadays?

    a. Which place has cheap domains?
    b. I would probably edit the HTML by hand.
    c. I would expect only 100 visitors (at most) a month.

    What else do you need to know?

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  • From Stan Brown@21:1/5 to gtr on Mon Jan 30 13:18:01 2023
    On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 13:08:56 -0800, gtr wrote:

    Long ago I had a web site with GoDaddy and I maintained it, but that was in the Apache days of dogpile searches (way before google) and a page of web sites I liked (again, before search engines were widespread).

    How do people go about it nowadays?

    a. Which place has cheap domains?
    b. I would probably edit the HTML by hand.
    c. I would expect only 100 visitors (at most) a month.

    What else do you need to know?

    These aren't Windows 10 questions. And "which place has cheap
    domains" varies from month to month.

    --
    Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
    Shikata ga nai...

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/01/2023 21:08, gtr wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:tr9bkp$3emlb$1@dont-email.me"><br>
    <br>
    How do people go about it nowadays? <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    These days people just buy a domain and the rest is free on:
    Microsoft Azure, Google Firebase Hosting, Netlify, Github Pages, and
    Cloudflare Pages. There are others as well that will allow you to
    host a free static website. By static I mean - HTML, CSS and
    JavaScript. Even certificate is free these days so your website can
    use https:// blah-blah.tk<br>
    <br>
    Domain can be bought very cheaply from every where or you can also
    get a free domain such as .TK / .ML / .GA / .CF / .GQ. these are
    TLDs but you can create your own sub-domains as well. When you get
    the free domain, you can link it to your website. It's quite easy
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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to gtr on Mon Jan 30 22:39:24 2023
    "gtr" <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote

    | a. Which place has cheap domains?
    | b. I would probably edit the HTML by hand.
    | c. I would expect only 100 visitors (at most) a month.
    |

    I'm registered via Namecheap and hosting on Knownhost.
    I think it's $13/month. That includes real hosting, control of
    the server space, PHP, web logs, full email service, https
    certificate, etc.
    You can get it for $3-5. Maybe even less. But those sites
    may put ads on your pages and don't expect you to really
    use the site much.

    So it's up to you. If you don't live under a bridge and you
    can afford a real host, I'd suggest the $10-15 range. That's
    if you write your own code, which is what I do. For people
    who know nothing but want to advertise their small business,
    there are sites like Wix that let you make a page by drag/drop.
    But then you don't actually have a site. Your URL forwards
    to their database and they spit out a pile of javascript crap
    to your visitors, who will need javascript enabled to see your
    site, because there isn't actually a website there. There are
    no webpages and virtually no HTML.

    Does that help? Managing a website is fairly easy, but it's
    also fairly esoteric. There's no such thing as a handbook that
    just tells you about FTP, cPanel, .htaccess, PHP, and the
    other tidbits that you'll need to figure out. But it's more a
    problem of finding out how to find it out than anything else.

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  • From Bill@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 00:26:43 2023
    On 1/30/2023 10:39 PM, Newyana2 wrote:

    Does that help? Managing a website is fairly easy, but it's
    also fairly esoteric. There's no such thing as a handbook that
    just tells you about FTP, cPanel, .htaccess, PHP, and the
    other tidbits that you'll need to figure out. But it's more a
    problem of finding out how to find it out than anything else.


    The quick way to deal with all this is to "Find out how someone else is
    doing it". I am familiar with some rather large institutions for which
    this is a basic procedure--and not one just used for building web sites.

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  • From Newyana2@21:1/5 to Bill on Tue Jan 31 07:56:27 2023
    "Bill" <nonegiven@att.net> wrote

    | The quick way to deal with all this is to "Find out how someone else is
    | doing it". I am familiar with some rather large institutions for which
    | this is a basic procedure--and not one just used for building web sites.
    |

    I guess that's what gtr is trying to do. I often find reddit useful
    for such things. Though the people there are often impatient with
    general questions.

    I think that in the case of webmastering, there are also problems
    caused by just "seeing how someone else does it". That's the
    cause of ubiquitous websites by people who don't know how to
    code and just pass around javascript snippets to do "cool stuff".
    Or the Wordpress kids who base a site on that package but don't
    know they need to keep their plugins updated, so they produce
    some of the most dangerous sites online because people hack
    their plugins. They're typically using WYSIWYG software and don't
    actually understand the whole thing. They just got a tip that if they
    put the right plugin in the right folder, their site can have comments.

    Another version is the software that spits out a file full of
    bloated CSS and JSON, with virtually no HTML. It's nearly unreadable
    as code. Often even the text content is embedded in script. Only
    the newest browsers can see the page. Because it's actually not
    a page. It's really a software program. You can ask those people
    how they did it. They'll probably say, "Well, after I bring the boss
    his coffee, I come in here and press this button."

    That's really not exaggeration. Most "webmasters" today would never
    recognize anything of the code in their webpages. Few even know how
    to use FTP. Microsoft started that with their Front Page WYSIWYG
    software. At this point, much of it is automated and one or two steps
    removed by the person managing the site.

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  • From Jim the Geordie@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 15:15:45 2023
    In article <trb365$3qm56$1@dont-email.me>, Newyana2@invalid.nospam
    says...

    "Bill" <nonegiven@att.net> wrote

    | The quick way to deal with all this is to "Find out how someone else is
    | doing it". I am familiar with some rather large institutions for which
    | this is a basic procedure--and not one just used for building web sites.
    |

    I guess that's what gtr is trying to do. I often find reddit useful
    for such things. Though the people there are often impatient with
    general questions.

    I think that in the case of webmastering, there are also problems
    caused by just "seeing how someone else does it". That's the
    cause of ubiquitous websites by people who don't know how to
    code and just pass around javascript snippets to do "cool stuff".
    Or the Wordpress kids who base a site on that package but don't
    know they need to keep their plugins updated, so they produce
    some of the most dangerous sites online because people hack
    their plugins. They're typically using WYSIWYG software and don't
    actually understand the whole thing. They just got a tip that if they
    put the right plugin in the right folder, their site can have comments.

    Another version is the software that spits out a file full of
    bloated CSS and JSON, with virtually no HTML. It's nearly unreadable
    as code. Often even the text content is embedded in script. Only
    the newest browsers can see the page. Because it's actually not
    a page. It's really a software program. You can ask those people
    how they did it. They'll probably say, "Well, after I bring the boss
    his coffee, I come in here and press this button."

    That's really not exaggeration. Most "webmasters" today would never recognize anything of the code in their webpages. Few even know how
    to use FTP. Microsoft started that with their Front Page WYSIWYG
    software. At this point, much of it is automated and one or two steps
    removed by the person managing the site.

    I use a paid for copy of M$ Expression Web. I believe it is now free.
    It is WYSIWYG, but the HTML sometimes needs a bit of tweaking

    --
    Jim the Geordie

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?@21:1/5 to gtr on Tue Jan 31 11:07:55 2023
    gtr wrote on 1/30/2023 2:08 PM:
    Long ago I had a web site with GoDaddy and I maintained it, but that was in the Apache days of dogpile searches (way before google) and a page of web sites I liked (again, before search engines were widespread).

    How do people go about it nowadays?

    a. Which place has cheap domains?
    b. I would probably edit the HTML by hand.
    c. I would expect only 100 visitors (at most) a month.

    What else do you need to know?
    The normal route
    Obtain a domain
    Use application software to build your web site
    Link your web site to the domain

    For many, the simple route - obtain your domain from GoDaddy, use their
    free version of 'Website Builder' software(or optionally free web site
    building software) to build your web site, upgrade your Website builder
    acct to the premium version to connect/link the domain and web site.

    Chronology:
    GoDaddy first provided domain registration under the GoDaddy brand name
    in 1999. Google and its online search engine pre-dated the GoDaddy brand
    name by about 1 year(1998). Additional individual entrepreneur funding
    for Google also started in 1998(Cofounder of Sun and and founder of
    Amazon) - by 1999 shortly before GoDaddy brand name Google had $25
    million investor supported funding. A year later Google began ad related search(revenue, cash flow, etc).


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  • From Philip Herlihy@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 1 13:03:32 2023
    In article <MPG.3e4340fe15fe1648989701@news.eternal-september.org>, Jim the Geordie wrote...


    I use a paid for copy of M$ Expression Web. I believe it is now free.
    It is WYSIWYG, but the HTML sometimes needs a bit of tweaking

    I'm still using an old (Vs 6) version of Dreamweaver, which I like (though I don't like the subscription model, or I'd have upgraded). Together with using the Developer Tools (F12) in Chrome, Edge or Firefox. I understand that Visual Studio "Code" is free, and offers an up-to-date environment for developing HTML, CSS and JavaScript - might be worth a look. Expression Web was quite good, but is now very dated.

    --

    Phil, London

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  • From Big Al@21:1/5 to this is what gtr on Wed Feb 1 09:52:28 2023
    On 1/30/23 16:08, this is what gtr wrote:
    Long ago I had a web site with GoDaddy and I maintained it, but that was in the Apache days of dogpile searches (way before google) and a page of web sites I liked (again, before search engines were widespread).

    How do people go about it nowadays?

    a. Which place has cheap domains?
    b. I would probably edit the HTML by hand.
    c. I would expect only 100 visitors (at most) a month.

    What else do you need to know?
    I found a free site that gave me a subdomain of theirs (I picked the extension like "als-home".
    I use it simply to ftp files onto the site.
    I develop locally just using a text editor. My stuff is maybe a bit complex, java.script, multiple pages etc, but
    nothing like interactive forms or such.
    The free account requires me to log in via their web portal once every 26 days or so. I have a recurring calendar
    event for 23 days to remind me.

    AL

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