I received a Dell 8950, 12th gen i7, with a onboard graphics. The display
port is:

Dual-Mode DisplayPort 1.4
Connect an external display or a projector.
NOTE: Besides a DisplayPort connector, this port can also provide display output to a DVI or HDMI connector with a
DisplayPort 1.4 adapter (sold separately).

None of the monitors I have hanging around have HDMI. They do have DVD-D.
Is there such a thing as a dual mode display port to DVD-D adapter. Is so,
can you recommend a decent one?

I don't do gaming or video editing.

TIA

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Am Mittwoch, 14. September 2022, um 03:40:46 Uhr schrieb Boris:

None of the monitors I have hanging around have HDMI. They do have
DVD-D. Is there such a thing as a dual mode display port to DVD-D
adapter. Is so, can you recommend a decent one?

You can use an Adapter for that (both signals are digital and mostly
the same, but I don't know the exact signal level of the voltages).

Which resolution do you want to use with DVI?

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On 9/13/2022 11:40 PM, Boris wrote:

I received a Dell 8950, 12th gen i7, with a onboard graphics. The display port is:

Dual-Mode DisplayPort 1.4
Connect an external display or a projector.
NOTE: Besides a DisplayPort connector, this port can also provide display output to a DVI or HDMI connector with a
DisplayPort 1.4 adapter (sold separately).

None of the monitors I have hanging around have HDMI. They do have DVD-D.
Is there such a thing as a dual mode display port to DVD-D adapter. Is so, can you recommend a decent one?

I don't do gaming or video editing.

TIA

You have to check the details on the product, to make
sure it's the right one for the monitor. Many monitors
will be 1920x1080 @ 60Hz, and either adapter below would work.
An Apple Cinema monitor, one of the old ones, might require
the expensive adapter, as the Cinema monitor was dual link.
It's one DVI connector, but there are two "sets" of pins,
each one is termed to be a "link".

DP to DVI single link $20 [ 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 CRTRB ? ] https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvi2

DP to DVI dual link $163 [ 2560x1600 or higher ] https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvid2

I've put a notation next to the "most taxing" display mode.
Displaying at 30Hz or even 24Hz, is OK for movie night, but
not so good for normal monitor usage. That's why 60Hz is
a better metric, than pretending that 24Hz is impressive or something.
The DVI clock interface cannot go over 165MHz. On the cable
this is multiplied by 10, and is actually 1650MHz. You can
see the 2560x1600 @ 60Hz, the adapter is "loafing along" at
only 135MHz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

"Example display modes (single link):

SXGA (1280 × 1024) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (159 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (139 MHz)
UXGA (1600 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)

WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz) 154<165max

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (132 MHz)

Example display modes (dual link):

QXGA (2048 × 1536) @ 72 Hz with CVT blanking (2 × 163 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 144 Hz[6]
WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 120 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 154 MHz)

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 135 MHz) 135<165max

WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 146 MHz)
"

DVI single link, half the digital pins are working at the time.
DVI dual link, all the digital pins are working, to achieve the
higher resolution. And this is due to the DVI spec being moribund
and stopping at 165MHz. When clock rates have been climbing since
then (for HDMI and DP) and allowing much higher resolutions. There
is less interest (apparently), in making dual link DVI items. Maybe
it took two adapter chips rather than just one. You never know.
Some of these chips are re-purposed adapter chips used in TV sets
(on the TV set IO board). That is why some of them are so cheap.

Paul

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in news:tfs53t$2s4dh$1@dont-email.me:

On 9/13/2022 11:40 PM, Boris wrote:

I received a Dell 8950, 12th gen i7, with a onboard graphics. The

display

port is:

Dual-Mode DisplayPort 1.4
Connect an external display or a projector.
NOTE: Besides a DisplayPort connector, this port can also provide

display

output to a DVI or HDMI connector with a
DisplayPort 1.4 adapter (sold separately).

None of the monitors I have hanging around have HDMI. They do have

DVD-D.

Is there such a thing as a dual mode display port to DVD-D adapter. Is

so,

can you recommend a decent one?

I don't do gaming or video editing.

TIA

You have to check the details on the product, to make
sure it's the right one for the monitor. Many monitors
will be 1920x1080 @ 60Hz, and either adapter below would work.
An Apple Cinema monitor, one of the old ones, might require
the expensive adapter, as the Cinema monitor was dual link.
It's one DVI connector, but there are two "sets" of pins,
each one is termed to be a "link".

DP to DVI single link $20 [ 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 CRTRB ? ] https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvi2

DP to DVI dual link $163 [ 2560x1600 or higher ] https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvid2

I've put a notation next to the "most taxing" display mode.
Displaying at 30Hz or even 24Hz, is OK for movie night, but
not so good for normal monitor usage. That's why 60Hz is
a better metric, than pretending that 24Hz is impressive or something.
The DVI clock interface cannot go over 165MHz. On the cable
this is multiplied by 10, and is actually 1650MHz. You can
see the 2560x1600 @ 60Hz, the adapter is "loafing along" at
only 135MHz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

"Example display modes (single link):

SXGA (1280 × 1024) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (159 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (139 MHz)
UXGA (1600 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)

WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)

154<165max

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (132 MHz)

Example display modes (dual link):

QXGA (2048 × 1536) @ 72 Hz with CVT blanking (2 × 163 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 144 Hz[6]
WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 120 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 154

MHz)

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 135

MHz) 135<165max

WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 146

MHz)

"

DVI single link, half the digital pins are working at the time.
DVI dual link, all the digital pins are working, to achieve the
higher resolution. And this is due to the DVI spec being moribund
and stopping at 165MHz. When clock rates have been climbing since
then (for HDMI and DP) and allowing much higher resolutions. There
is less interest (apparently), in making dual link DVI items. Maybe
it took two adapter chips rather than just one. You never know.
Some of these chips are re-purposed adapter chips used in TV sets
(on the TV set IO board). That is why some of them are so cheap.

Paul

Thanks for the reply.

The connector looks like a DVI-I dual link connector, with it's 3x8 block
of pinouts and the other four pinouts. Can I assume that a dual link DVI-
I connector is used on all StarTech's display port converter cables, but
not all pins are wired, depending on it's intended use? Or is the picture incorrect?

(You may notice that I'm posting on aioe.org, instead of E-S. For some
unknown reason, to me, E-S gave me a 441: Excessive nymshifting. I rarely post, but read a lot. I've probably posted three times in the last week.
I did read on Narkive that there was a discussion of E-S probably turning
on nymshifting discipline measures about a month ago.)

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Boris <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:XnsAF129F385F5E2nospamnospaminvalid@46.165.242.91:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in news:tfs53t$2s4dh$1@dont-email.me:

On 9/13/2022 11:40 PM, Boris wrote:

I received a Dell 8950, 12th gen i7, with a onboard graphics. The

display

port is:

Dual-Mode DisplayPort 1.4
Connect an external display or a projector.
NOTE: Besides a DisplayPort connector, this port can also provide

display

output to a DVI or HDMI connector with a
DisplayPort 1.4 adapter (sold separately).

None of the monitors I have hanging around have HDMI. They do have

DVD-D.

Is there such a thing as a dual mode display port to DVD-D adapter.
Is

so,

can you recommend a decent one?

I don't do gaming or video editing.

TIA

You have to check the details on the product, to make
sure it's the right one for the monitor. Many monitors
will be 1920x1080 @ 60Hz, and either adapter below would work.
An Apple Cinema monitor, one of the old ones, might require
the expensive adapter, as the Cinema monitor was dual link.
It's one DVI connector, but there are two "sets" of pins,
each one is termed to be a "link".

DP to DVI single link $20 [ 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 CRTRB ? ]
https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvi2

DP to DVI dual link $163 [ 2560x1600 or higher ]
https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvid2

I've put a notation next to the "most taxing" display mode.
Displaying at 30Hz or even 24Hz, is OK for movie night, but
not so good for normal monitor usage. That's why 60Hz is
a better metric, than pretending that 24Hz is impressive or something.
The DVI clock interface cannot go over 165MHz. On the cable
this is multiplied by 10, and is actually 1650MHz. You can
see the 2560x1600 @ 60Hz, the adapter is "loafing along" at
only 135MHz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

"Example display modes (single link):

SXGA (1280 × 1024) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (159 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (139 MHz)
UXGA (1600 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)

WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)

154<165max

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (132 MHz)

Example display modes (dual link):

QXGA (2048 × 1536) @ 72 Hz with CVT blanking (2 × 163 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 144 Hz[6]
WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 120 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 154

MHz)

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 135

MHz) 135<165max

WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 146

MHz)

"

DVI single link, half the digital pins are working at the time.
DVI dual link, all the digital pins are working, to achieve the
higher resolution. And this is due to the DVI spec being moribund
and stopping at 165MHz. When clock rates have been climbing since
then (for HDMI and DP) and allowing much higher resolutions. There
is less interest (apparently), in making dual link DVI items. Maybe
it took two adapter chips rather than just one. You never know.
Some of these chips are re-purposed adapter chips used in TV sets
(on the TV set IO board). That is why some of them are so cheap.

Paul

Thanks for the reply.

The connector looks like a DVI-I dual link connector, with it's 3x8
block of pinouts and the other four pinouts. Can I assume that a dual
link DVI- I connector is used on all StarTech's display port converter cables, but not all pins are wired, depending on it's intended use? Or
is the picture incorrect?

(You may notice that I'm posting on aioe.org, instead of E-S. For some unknown reason, to me, E-S gave me a 441: Excessive nymshifting. I
rarely post, but read a lot. I've probably posted three times in the
last week. I did read on Narkive that there was a discussion of E-S
probably turning on nymshifting discipline measures about a month ago.)

Odd. I notice that E-S picked up this post, but I still can't post
directly to E-S. Due to different injection point?

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On 9/14/2022 6:43 PM, Boris wrote:

Boris <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in news:XnsAF129F385F5E2nospamnospaminvalid@46.165.242.91:

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in news:tfs53t$2s4dh$1@dont-email.me:

On 9/13/2022 11:40 PM, Boris wrote:

I received a Dell 8950, 12th gen i7, with a onboard graphics. The

display

port is:

Dual-Mode DisplayPort 1.4
Connect an external display or a projector.
NOTE: Besides a DisplayPort connector, this port can also provide

display

output to a DVI or HDMI connector with a
DisplayPort 1.4 adapter (sold separately).

None of the monitors I have hanging around have HDMI. They do have

DVD-D.

Is there such a thing as a dual mode display port to DVD-D adapter.
Is

so,

can you recommend a decent one?

I don't do gaming or video editing.

TIA

You have to check the details on the product, to make
sure it's the right one for the monitor. Many monitors
will be 1920x1080 @ 60Hz, and either adapter below would work.
An Apple Cinema monitor, one of the old ones, might require
the expensive adapter, as the Cinema monitor was dual link.
It's one DVI connector, but there are two "sets" of pins,
each one is termed to be a "link".

DP to DVI single link $20 [ 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 CRTRB ? ]
https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvi2

DP to DVI dual link $163 [ 2560x1600 or higher ]
https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-video-products/dp2dvid2

I've put a notation next to the "most taxing" display mode.
Displaying at 30Hz or even 24Hz, is OK for movie night, but
not so good for normal monitor usage. That's why 60Hz is
a better metric, than pretending that 24Hz is impressive or something.
The DVI clock interface cannot go over 165MHz. On the cable
this is multiplied by 10, and is actually 1650MHz. You can
see the 2560x1600 @ 60Hz, the adapter is "loafing along" at
only 135MHz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface

"Example display modes (single link):

SXGA (1280 × 1024) @ 85 Hz with GTF blanking (159 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (139 MHz)
UXGA (1600 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with GTF blanking (161 MHz)

WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (154 MHz)

154<165max

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (132 MHz)

Example display modes (dual link):

QXGA (2048 × 1536) @ 72 Hz with CVT blanking (2 × 163 MHz)
HDTV (1920 × 1080) @ 144 Hz[6]
WUXGA (1920 × 1200) @ 120 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 154

MHz)

WQXGA (2560 × 1600) @ 60 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 135

MHz) 135<165max

WQUXGA (3840 × 2400) @ 30 Hz with CVT-RB blanking (2 × 146

MHz)

"

DVI single link, half the digital pins are working at the time.
DVI dual link, all the digital pins are working, to achieve the
higher resolution. And this is due to the DVI spec being moribund
and stopping at 165MHz. When clock rates have been climbing since
then (for HDMI and DP) and allowing much higher resolutions. There
is less interest (apparently), in making dual link DVI items. Maybe
it took two adapter chips rather than just one. You never know.
Some of these chips are re-purposed adapter chips used in TV sets
(on the TV set IO board). That is why some of them are so cheap.

Paul

Thanks for the reply.

The connector looks like a DVI-I dual link connector, with it's 3x8
block of pinouts and the other four pinouts. Can I assume that a dual
link DVI- I connector is used on all StarTech's display port converter
cables, but not all pins are wired, depending on it's intended use? Or
is the picture incorrect?

(You may notice that I'm posting on aioe.org, instead of E-S. For some
unknown reason, to me, E-S gave me a 441: Excessive nymshifting. I
rarely post, but read a lot. I've probably posted three times in the
last week. I did read on Narkive that there was a discussion of E-S
probably turning on nymshifting discipline measures about a month ago.)

Odd. I notice that E-S picked up this post, but I still can't post
directly to E-S. Due to different injection point?

Look at the native resolution of your monitor. If the resolution is
low enough, to be covered by a single link converter, then the
cheap converter type (many models available) will suffice.

There aren't that many high-resolution monitors, with only
dual link connectors on them. The Apple Cinema would be an
example. At some point, interest would shift to various
versions of HDMI, to cover 2K or 4K monitors, and the DVI
would be kicked to the curb at that point.

Many times, the connector can be filled with pins, whether
single link or dual link. Seeing a full matrix, doesn't really
confirm anything about the product.

*******

As far as E-S is concerned, your activity should really be tracked by

posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19o9J3FKYVvsEllX4syk1Z4"

the specific account, rather than by

Boris <nospam@nospam.invalid>

If Ray was tracking by <nospam@nospam.invalid> , then it might
appear many people are sharing the same fake email and are
nym shifters. I don't think Ray would get this wrong, as
to what "item" he counts his nyms against. Boris should
be counted against the internal version of "U2FsdGVkX19o9J3FKYVvsEllX4syk1Z4", and since there is only the one nym, you would not have broken
any rules.

Paul

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