CMOS battery? Crazy idea, I know.
It took me all day to solve this problem. My Samsung SATA 2.0 boot drive always work. The Barracuda SATA 3.0 SSD is finicky. I thought maybe a SATA 3.0 cable would work. Wrong. SATA 2.0 and SATA 3.0 are electrically identical. The SATA 3.0 cable I tried had an elbow that made it
troublesome. SATA 2.0 cable is not.
I thought why is Barracuda SATA 3.0 SSD is finicky? Maybe bigshot does not want to be slave. I rearranged the cables in the six available SATA ports. Then I renamed drive E: to drive D: in Win10 and everything worked.
I ran CrystalDiskInfo and CrystalDiskMark and everything was fantastic.
Saved me a bundle of money not buying a new PC workstation. 12GB of RAM
works good.
I read that weak CMOS battery can prevent detection of a drive. I have two >> SSD drives. One an old Samsung 500GB boots reliably. Drive D: is a new
Seagate Barracuda, 500GB that is not detected reliably. I've done
everything conceivable with the cables. I've read bad reviews on the
Barracuda.
BIOS program says CMOS battery is 3V whereas 3.3V might have been when it
was new.
Is it worth my time to buy a new CMOS battery?
Thanks
I read that weak CMOS battery can prevent detection of a drive. I have two >SSD drives. One an old Samsung 500GB boots reliably. Drive D: is a new >Seagate Barracuda, 500GB that is not detected reliably. I've done
everything conceivable with the cables. I've read bad reviews on the >Barracuda.
BIOS program says CMOS battery is 3V whereas 3.3V might have been when it
was new.
Is it worth my time to buy a new CMOS battery?
Thanks
When Macrium clones, it also only transfers the occupied
clusters, which is like a "free TRIM" in a sense. "dd"
transfers from SSD to SSD would transfer all blocks,
which burns up a lot of the free pool on the destination,
and can benefit from issuing a TRIM per partition
in the Optimize panel later.
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 23:07:55 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
When Macrium clones, it also only transfers the occupied
clusters, which is like a "free TRIM" in a sense. "dd"
transfers from SSD to SSD would transfer all blocks,
which burns up a lot of the free pool on the destination,
and can benefit from issuing a TRIM per partition
in the Optimize panel later.
I manually create and format the new partitions, and then use rsync to transfer
the files. That's also how I do my primary backup of data. In run level
1, with
any remaining user processes killed I run ...
time nice -n 19 ionice -n 7 rsync -auvxSHXAP --specials --sparse
--delete --exclude="lost+found" /home/dave/ /aback/home/dave/
Regards, Dave Hodgins
But being sans-automation, your UUIDs or BLKIDs aren't fit for
purpose until you put things back together again. At least
for boot materials, this is the case.
I read that weak CMOS battery can prevent detection of a drive. I have two SSD drives. One an old Samsung 500GB boots reliably. Drive D: is a new Seagate Barracuda, 500GB that is not detected reliably. I've done everything conceivable with the cables. I've read bad reviews on the Barracuda.
BIOS program says CMOS battery is 3V whereas 3.3V might have been when it
was new.
Is it worth my time to buy a new CMOS battery?
Thanks
I read that weak CMOS battery can prevent detection of a drive. I have
two
SSD drives. One an old Samsung 500GB boots reliably. Drive D: is a new
Seagate Barracuda, 500GB that is not detected reliably. I've done
everything
conceivable with the cables. I've read bad reviews on the Barracuda.
BIOS program says CMOS battery is 3V whereas 3.3V might have been when it
was new.
Is it worth my time to buy a new CMOS battery?
Thanks
Glad you got it figured out.
To answer your question though, a 3.0 volt CMOS battery is fine.
If the battery was too low, you'd simply lose your settings.
I did *once* have a battery around 2.6 volts that would not allow the
machine to post.
I read that weak CMOS battery can prevent detection of a drive. I have
two
SSD drives. One an old Samsung 500GB boots reliably. Drive D: is a new
Seagate Barracuda, 500GB that is not detected reliably. I've done
everything
conceivable with the cables. I've read bad reviews on the Barracuda.
BIOS program says CMOS battery is 3V whereas 3.3V might have been when it >>> was new.
Is it worth my time to buy a new CMOS battery?
Thanks
Glad you got it figured out.
To answer your question though, a 3.0 volt CMOS battery is fine.
If the battery was too low, you'd simply lose your settings.
I did *once* have a battery around 2.6 volts that would not allow the
machine to post.
Thanks for your reply.
Unfortunately, no matter what fiddling I could do, the Seagate Barracuda continued to show unreliable symptoms. Read/write errors and failure to detect at boot up. I ran Seagate tools that said the drive was slow, at one time. I read a bad review of Barracuda. We decided it's a bad drive. I have
a one year warranty. I bought a 3 TB WD HDD and installed it. I am now doing a backup. Then I will return the drive for a replacement Barracuda SSD.
SSD drives are very nice for instantaneous response, when they work.
I plan to run some large programs for medical imaging. When it comes to medical diagnostic imaging, one needs to do it oneself.
I read that weak CMOS battery can prevent detection of a drive. I have >>>> two
SSD drives. One an old Samsung 500GB boots reliably. Drive D: is a new >>>> Seagate Barracuda, 500GB that is not detected reliably. I've done
everything
conceivable with the cables. I've read bad reviews on the Barracuda.
BIOS program says CMOS battery is 3V whereas 3.3V might have been when >>>> it
was new.
Is it worth my time to buy a new CMOS battery?
Thanks
Glad you got it figured out.
To answer your question though, a 3.0 volt CMOS battery is fine.
If the battery was too low, you'd simply lose your settings.
I did *once* have a battery around 2.6 volts that would not allow the
machine to post.
Thanks for your reply.
Unfortunately, no matter what fiddling I could do, the Seagate Barracuda
continued to show unreliable symptoms. Read/write errors and failure to
detect at boot up. I ran Seagate tools that said the drive was slow, at
one
time. I read a bad review of Barracuda. We decided it's a bad drive. I
have
a one year warranty. I bought a 3 TB WD HDD and installed it. I am now
doing
a backup. Then I will return the drive for a replacement Barracuda SSD.
High
SSD drives are very nice for instantaneous response, when they work.
I plan to run some large programs for medical imaging. When it comes to
medical diagnostic imaging, one needs to do it oneself.
And you'll need a totally reliable drive for that.
Speaking of medical imaging, when I was at my dentist....when they tried
to take an x-ray, their computer crashed. After a few attempts, I told
them to try a different USB port.
All worked fine.
I should have had them deduct my technical services from my bill.
Thanks for your reply.I read that weak CMOS battery can prevent detection of a drive. I have >>>>> two
SSD drives. One an old Samsung 500GB boots reliably. Drive D: is a new >>>>> Seagate Barracuda, 500GB that is not detected reliably. I've done
everything
conceivable with the cables. I've read bad reviews on the Barracuda. >>>>>
BIOS program says CMOS battery is 3V whereas 3.3V might have been when >>>>> it
was new.
Is it worth my time to buy a new CMOS battery?
Thanks
Glad you got it figured out.
To answer your question though, a 3.0 volt CMOS battery is fine.
If the battery was too low, you'd simply lose your settings.
I did *once* have a battery around 2.6 volts that would not allow the
machine to post.
Unfortunately, no matter what fiddling I could do, the Seagate Barracuda >>> continued to show unreliable symptoms. Read/write errors and failure to
detect at boot up. I ran Seagate tools that said the drive was slow, at
one
time. I read a bad review of Barracuda. We decided it's a bad drive. I
have
a one year warranty. I bought a 3 TB WD HDD and installed it. I am now
doing
a backup. Then I will return the drive for a replacement Barracuda SSD.
High
SSD drives are very nice for instantaneous response, when they work.
I plan to run some large programs for medical imaging. When it comes to
medical diagnostic imaging, one needs to do it oneself.
And you'll need a totally reliable drive for that.
Speaking of medical imaging, when I was at my dentist....when they tried
to take an x-ray, their computer crashed. After a few attempts, I told
them to try a different USB port.
All worked fine.
I should have had them deduct my technical services from my bill.
More than that Philo,
Further back in this thread I thought I said I replaced the Seagate
Barracuda with a good one. I also bought a 3TB WD HDD for backup. Prior to swapping out the bad Barracuda, I made a backup to the 3TB WD HDD. When I tried to restore, I ran into CPU overheating problems. Not every thermal grease is OK. Second try was "Kryonaut Ultra High Performance Thermal
Grease" from thermal grizzly. Overheating problem was solved and restore is working.
The CPU I have may be heat damaged. I checked, the best CPU for this
Gigabyte main board is Intel Q9650. I had an Intel Q9650 CPU but it burned out. Temperature reached 126C. then screen went blank. I ordered another Q9650 CPU from a reputable supplier. I'll start again.
Heat death of a CPU is slow. During slow death, Win10 is a bugger. If you
see RunTimeBroker in Task Manager, you know you're in trouble. While it
looks like a software problem it is more likely to be a cooling problem. I have a gaming case. I could install two more fans. I ordered 4 RAM heat spreaders. I'll do a before and after check with my IR Laser temperature
gun.
Unfortunately, no matter what fiddling I could do, the Seagate
Barracuda
continued to show unreliable symptoms. Read/write errors and failure to >>>> detect at boot up. I ran Seagate tools that said the drive was slow, at >>>> one
time. I read a bad review of Barracuda. We decided it's a bad drive. I >>>> have
a one year warranty. I bought a 3 TB WD HDD and installed it. I am now >>>> doing
a backup. Then I will return the drive for a replacement Barracuda SSD. >>>> High
SSD drives are very nice for instantaneous response, when they work.
I plan to run some large programs for medical imaging. When it comes to >>>> medical diagnostic imaging, one needs to do it oneself.
And you'll need a totally reliable drive for that.
Speaking of medical imaging, when I was at my dentist....when they tried >>> to take an x-ray, their computer crashed. After a few attempts, I told
them to try a different USB port.
All worked fine.
I should have had them deduct my technical services from my bill.
More than that Philo,
Further back in this thread I thought I said I replaced the Seagate
Barracuda with a good one. I also bought a 3TB WD HDD for backup. Prior
to swapping out the bad Barracuda, I made a backup to the 3TB WD HDD.
When I tried to restore, I ran into CPU overheating problems. Not every
thermal grease is OK. Second try was "Kryonaut Ultra High Performance
Thermal Grease" from thermal grizzly. Overheating problem was solved and
restore is working.
The CPU I have may be heat damaged. I checked, the best CPU for this
Gigabyte main board is Intel Q9650. I had an Intel Q9650 CPU but it
burned out. Temperature reached 126C. then screen went blank. I ordered
another Q9650 CPU from a reputable supplier. I'll start again.
Heat death of a CPU is slow. During slow death, Win10 is a bugger. If you
see RunTimeBroker in Task Manager, you know you're in trouble. While it
looks like a software problem it is more likely to be a cooling problem.
I have a gaming case. I could install two more fans. I ordered 4 RAM heat
spreaders. I'll do a before and after check with my IR Laser temperature
gun.
The screen went blank ?
The CPU has THERMTRIP. If the temperature goes high enough (implying
the heatsink fell off the CPU), the CPU sends THERMTRIP to the motherboard and THERMTRIP causes PS_ON# to be deasserted. That shuts off the power
and removes +12V running VCore. The fans should go off.
The CPU protects itself.
I have an E8400, which is 1/2 of a 9650. It draws 11W at idle and
43W flat out. Your processor would be double that amount.
Maybe your VCore is a bit too high ? The joint between CPU and heatsink
would have to be absolutely dry, for it to get that hot. Even with
a tiny heatsink with fan running, it should do better than that on
cooling. For one thing, the CPU uses throttling to try to avoid
a temperature that high. And that's one reason why it shouldn't
be hitting 126C. It has one defense mechanism, that reduces CPU
capability as a tradeoff for temp. To hit 126C, you really need an
air gap between CPU and heatsink. Like if the push pins aren't fastened
or something.
Paul
"Why look a gift horse in the mouth?" Currently a Quad Q8400 is plugged into >Gigabyte MOBO. For convenience I connect using RDP. CPU use is 3%. >Temperatures are 40C., 36C., 32C. and 36C. I think core#1 shows heat damage. >Electromigration occurs when things get too hot.
"Why look a gift horse in the mouth?" Currently a Quad Q8400 is plugged >>into
Gigabyte MOBO. For convenience I connect using RDP. CPU use is 3%. >>Temperatures are 40C., 36C., 32C. and 36C. I think core#1 shows heat >>damage.
Electromigration occurs when things get too hot.
You just have to purchase ssd's from a good manufacture !
KenW
The Intel 9650 CPU I ordered was delivered and with Halnziye: Silver
Thermal Paste. Let's compare specs:
Halnziye: HY710 10g Silver Thermal Paste.
Halnziye HY710 10g Silver Thermal Paste has decent level of thermal conductivity at 3.17W/mk. It's capable of providing long-term stability
for your machine, remaining operational through temperatures between 22
and 464 degrees Fahrenheit.
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. specs
Thermal Conductivity 12,5 W/mk
Viscosity 120-170 Pas
Specific Weight 3.7g/cm3
Temperature -200 °C / +350 °C
Capacity 1.5ml / 5,55 g 3ml / 11.1g
The units are Watts per meter per degree Kevin. Using a thin layer reduces "meters". Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut comes with a spatula with which one can apply a thin layer. Halnziye HY710 has thermal conductivity at 3.17W/mk.
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut has Thermal Conductivity 12,5 W/mk
12.5/3.17 = 3.94 or almost 4 times the thermal conductivity, Ceteris
paribus, "holding other things constant." This is a very important
scientific concept for you who have studied multivariable calculus.
The remedy for an overheating CPU is to use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut
thermal grease and to use as thin a layer as possible.
The Intel 9650 CPU came from a reputable company who sold me 4x 2GB DDR2
RAM. I only needed 2 modules. When I first plugged in the two RAM modules (now for a total of 12GB), it created a heat crisis for the old Q9650 that crashed and eventually burnt up. If I only knew what I know now at first.
Now I will have a Q9650 in a GIGABYTE main board, 6 SSD ports, 2x 500GB
SSD drives and one 3TB WD HDD. Also a bunch of other stuff that is not
part of this discussion.
Why such a proliferation of inadequate thermal grease products? Gresham's
law is a monetary principle stating that "bad money drives out good". Likewise, so many people settle for bad grease. I've spent a lot of money
on bad grease.
Why such a proliferation of inadequate thermal grease products? Gresham's
law is a monetary principle stating that "bad money drives out good".
Likewise, so many people settle for bad grease. I've spent a lot of money
on bad grease.
The good grease worked for me. On the new Q9650 all the cores are below
40C. It can take two weeks for grease to 'set'. That means the idle state gets cooler and cooler.
Typical low CPU load core temperatures of the Q9650 are:[snip]
31C., 31C., 28C. and 32C.
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal grease works great! However, the MOBO
manual suggests that optional fans be installed to avoid overheating. The manual can be found by Google'n 'Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L .PDF'
I have a Cougar MX330-X gaming case whose manual can be found here: https://cougargaming.com/fileadmin/downloads/USERS_MANUAL/MX330_X_usermanual.pdf
Note that 5 optional fans can be installed. CPU and Fan N are installed
and their 4-pin fan headers are occupied. According to the MOBO manual
there are 2 3-pin fan headers up for grabs.
According to the BIOS, installed fans can be set to sound an alarm if fans fail or CPU exceeds 80C. However, the beep speaker has been silent for a
long time. There is an little known beep code. The absence of a beep confirmation at boot time indicates something is wrong. Maybe what is
wrong is the beep speaker?
"Why look a gift horse in the mouth?" Currently a Quad Q8400 is plugged >>into
Gigabyte MOBO. For convenience I connect using RDP. CPU use is 3%. >>Temperatures are 40C., 36C., 32C. and 36C. I think core#1 shows heat >>damage.
Electromigration occurs when things get too hot.
You just have to purchase ssd's from a good manufacture !
KenW
[spippage]
Typical low CPU load core temperatures of the Q9650 are:[snip]
31C., 31C., 28C. and 32C.
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal grease works great! However, the MOBO
manual suggests that optional fans be installed to avoid overheating. The
manual can be found by Google'n 'Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L .PDF'
I have a Cougar MX330-X gaming case whose manual can be found here:
https://cougargaming.com/fileadmin/downloads/USERS_MANUAL/MX330_X_usermanual.pdf
Note that 5 optional fans can be installed. CPU and Fan N are installed
and their 4-pin fan headers are occupied. According to the MOBO manual
there are 2 3-pin fan headers up for grabs.
According to the BIOS, installed fans can be set to sound an alarm if fans >> fail or CPU exceeds 80C. However, the beep speaker has been silent for a
long time. There is an little known beep code. The absence of a beep
confirmation at boot time indicates something is wrong. Maybe what is
wrong is the beep speaker?
I should also mention that on one side of the MX330-X case are cutouts for switches labeled 'FAN1' and "FAN2'. The 2 3-pin fan headers on the MOBO seem to report to the BIOS. Switched fan power would not so report. The question is which fans should be connected to the 2 3-pin fan headers and which
should be power switched? And where to get the power?
Thanks.
Norm Why wrote:
[spippage]
Typical low CPU load core temperatures of the Q9650 are:[snip]
31C., 31C., 28C. and 32C.
Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal grease works great! However, the MOBO
manual suggests that optional fans be installed to avoid overheating.
The manual can be found by Google'n 'Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L .PDF'
I have a Cougar MX330-X gaming case whose manual can be found here:
https://cougargaming.com/fileadmin/downloads/USERS_MANUAL/MX330_X_usermanual.pdf
Note that 5 optional fans can be installed. CPU and Fan N are installed
and their 4-pin fan headers are occupied. According to the MOBO manual
there are 2 3-pin fan headers up for grabs.
According to the BIOS, installed fans can be set to sound an alarm if
fans fail or CPU exceeds 80C. However, the beep speaker has been silent
for a long time. There is an little known beep code. The absence of a
beep confirmation at boot time indicates something is wrong. Maybe what
is wrong is the beep speaker?
I should also mention that on one side of the MX330-X case are cutouts
for switches labeled 'FAN1' and "FAN2'. The 2 3-pin fan headers on the
MOBO seem to report to the BIOS. Switched fan power would not so report.
The question is which fans should be connected to the 2 3-pin fan headers
and which should be power switched? And where to get the power?
Thanks.
A motherboard can have fan headers that only provide power (+12V and GND). Check your manual for details like that.
A motherboard will have at least three channels with RPM counters.
(+12V, GND, RPM). The RPM signal is 2ppr, two pulses per revolution.
THe most exotic headers, are ones with speed control. In the old days,
the three pin connector could have voltage control of the +12V pin.
There would be a 100uF cap next to the fan header plus a transistor.
On modern motherboards, the header is a four pin, and has +12V GND RPM
PWM.
The PWM is a pulse width modulation control that sets the fan speed.
The RPM has the 2ppr thing. The +12V in this case stays at +12V.
You save the fan headers with working RPM pin, for the fans that have
an RPM signal :-)
The cheapest case cooling fans, have no RPM signal. They just have
+12V and GND. You connect them to unmonitored headers, or get
a Molex to fan adapter and power the fan that way,
The next level of fan has an RPM signal. You can plug those to
a three or four pin header equipped with RPM.
The CPU fan header pretty well always has RPM. The CPU cooler
has the third wire with the RPM signal on it. The more modern
CPU fans have all four wires +12V GND RPM PWM, even if you're
not using the PWM and have decided to run the fan at full speed.
Based on the above, you have a pool of electromechanical devices,
you have your various fan headers, you have molex connectors, now
you head off and do your planning.
Nothing says you need seven fans, to have a "lucky" computer.
My newest machine, has one fan on the back (to establish a
low delta_T between inside case air temp and external ambient).
It has a second fan positioned as a blower over VCore, as
VCore doesn't have proper cooling and runs at 65C surface temp.
The CPU cooler is huge, and it has a fan with both
RPM and PWM.
And that's it.
If the case air is getting too hot (warm cloud around
CPU cooler), then I use the 37.5mm thick fan and put it
in the back of the computer for exhaust.
Generally you aim for a "direction" of airflow. Like input
on the front, exhaust on the back. And arrange the fans
so they're not working against one another. For example,
it's pretty hard to install a "side" fan in the door, and
arrange it so it has a deterministic airflow. I did do a
seven fan setup once, and one of the fans, if you held
a tissue next to the fan, there was zero airflow, which
tells you the fans were working against one another.
I have a Cougar MX330-X gaming case whose manual can be found here:[snip]
https://cougargaming.com/fileadmin/downloads/USERS_MANUAL/MX330_X_usermanual.pdf
Note that 5 optional fans can be installed. CPU and Fan N are installed
and their 4-pin fan headers are occupied. According to the MOBO manual
there are 2 3-pin fan headers up for grabs.
According to the BIOS, installed fans can be set to sound an alarm if
fans fail or CPU exceeds 80C. However, the beep speaker has been silent
for a long time. There is an little known beep code. The absence of a
beep confirmation at boot time indicates something is wrong. Maybe what
is wrong is the beep speaker?
I should also mention that on one side of the MX330-X case are cutouts
for switches labeled 'FAN1' and "FAN2'. The 2 3-pin fan headers on the
MOBO seem to report to the BIOS. Switched fan power would not so report.
The question is which fans should be connected to the 2 3-pin fan headers
and which should be power switched? And where to get the power?
Thanks.
A motherboard can have fan headers that only provide power (+12V and GND). Check your manual for details like that.
A motherboard will have at least three channels with RPM counters.
(+12V, GND, RPM). The RPM signal is 2ppr, two pulses per revolution.
THe most exotic headers, are ones with speed control. In the old days,
the three pin connector could have voltage control of the +12V pin.
There would be a 100uF cap next to the fan header plus a transistor.
On modern motherboards, the header is a four pin, and has +12V GND RPM
PWM.
The PWM is a pulse width modulation control that sets the fan speed.
The RPM has the 2ppr thing. The +12V in this case stays at +12V.
You save the fan headers with working RPM pin, for the fans that have
an RPM signal :-)
The cheapest case cooling fans, have no RPM signal. They just have
+12V and GND. You connect them to unmonitored headers, or get
a Molex to fan adapter and power the fan that way,
The next level of fan has an RPM signal. You can plug those to
a three or four pin header equipped with RPM.
The CPU fan header pretty well always has RPM. The CPU cooler
has the third wire with the RPM signal on it. The more modern
CPU fans have all four wires +12V GND RPM PWM, even if you're
not using the PWM and have decided to run the fan at full speed.
Based on the above, you have a pool of electromechanical devices,
you have your various fan headers, you have molex connectors, now
you head off and do your planning.
Nothing says you need seven fans, to have a "lucky" computer.
My newest machine, has one fan on the back (to establish a
low delta_T between inside case air temp and external ambient).
It has a second fan positioned as a blower over VCore, as
VCore doesn't have proper cooling and runs at 65C surface temp.
The CPU cooler is huge, and it has a fan with both
RPM and PWM.
And that's it.
If the case air is getting too hot (warm cloud around
CPU cooler), then I use the 37.5mm thick fan and put it
in the back of the computer for exhaust.
Generally you aim for a "direction" of airflow. Like input
on the front, exhaust on the back. And arrange the fans
so they're not working against one another. For example,
it's pretty hard to install a "side" fan in the door, and
arrange it so it has a deterministic airflow. I did do a
seven fan setup once, and one of the fans, if you held
a tissue next to the fan, there was zero airflow, which
tells you the fans were working against one another.
Paul
You just have to purchase ssd's from a good manufacture !
KenW
I discovered that it is advised to turn off Indexing Services on an SSD. Windows does not do this automatically. Indexing imposes to much I/O on an SSD.
You just have to purchase ssd's from a good manufacture !
KenW
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