around 50gb with bright flashing led when active?
around 50gb with bright flashing led when active?
On 3/15/2022 10:28 PM, bad sector wrote:
around 50gb with bright flashing led when active?
There hasn't been a decent design in a long time.
The 8GB OCZ RALLY2, now that had a nice LED. The LED only flashed
when the device was active. It behaved like you expect an activity
LED to behave.
Some of the premium flash drives now, they're fast... but have no
LED. The same company also makes ones with LEDs, but the LED has a
"breathing pattern", which serves no purpose. Then the user has to distinguish between "flashing and breathing"
versus "breathing alone".
SanDisk Extreme Go USB 3.1 Flash Drive 64GB
SDCZ800-064G Read 200MB/sec Write 100MB/sec Transparent slider (for
LED)
https://www.amazon.ca/Sandisk-Extreme-Type-Flash-Drive/dp/B01NARBPI7
Ones that come with the opaque slider, Sandisk Extreme USB (word Go
is missing, those don't have a LED.
This makes the selection process pretty finicky. If I was buying, I
would use my "usual algorithm", car drive to computer store, get
clerk to show me two or more models, examine the slider
and so on.
The packaging will not indicate whether a LED is present, whether it
has the annoying "breathing" light pattern or not, so you cannot rely
on the packaging for such details.
These are pigs that are mostly made of lipstick. Unfortunately.
Nobody knows how to design anything.
This one, for example, doesn't have a LED, and the write speed
information is contradictory. Mentions "380" and "150", and to me,
"100" is more believable.
https://www.amazon.ca/SanDisk-SDCZ880-128G-G46-Extreme-128GB-Solid/dp/B01MU8TZRV
And if there is even the remotest chance of it having a *plastic*
connector on it, don't buy it. I had a stick with a plastic barrel,
fail on the first day. The bullshit description does not help me
decide whether it has a proper barrel. You should only buy USB
sticks with the chrome steel standard barrel on the end, as those are
good for the rated 5000 insertion cycles. The barrels on chrome
steel, do not deform on insertion. The attempt to describe a
"metallic finish" is marketing bullshit for "yes sirree bob, I is
made of plastic".
https://www.amazon.ca/SanDisk-Extreme-Type-Flash-Drive/dp/B08KSJ144R/
I've even bought a pair of identical USB sticks, and one had a LED,
the second did not. One was made in China, one
in Malaysia or such. Mixed together at the store presumably.
A lotta lipstick, not much pig.
Paul
The entire USB interface whorehouse is already nothing but a huge scam. It shudda been put out of its misery years ago
bad sector wrote:
The entire USB interface whorehouse is already nothing but a huge scam. It shudda been put out of its misery years ago
What is your proposal for a replacement? What would be your new design?
Of other existing connector types, what do you suggest?
Thunderbolt? Thunderbolt started 11 years ago. USB started 26 years
ago. Thunderbolt required paying a royalty to Intel until recently.> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/intel-to-make-thunderbolt-3-royalty-free-in-bid-to-spur-adoption/
Did you buy a computer with a Thunderbolt interface? Why not?
Thunderbolt 3 will mutate into the USB 4 form factor.
Why not go back to the 30-year old SCSI fiber interface at 3 times the bandwidth of Thunderbolt? Cost. How much more are you willing to pay
for a better connector?
End users are abusive to connectors.
If you want to discuss crappy connections, why does your computer still
use the non-gold pin plug to connect external audio devices?
VanguardLH wrote:
bad sector wrote:
The entire USB interface whorehouse is already nothing but a huge
scam. It shudda been put out of its misery years ago
What is your proposal for a replacement? What would be your new design?
Of other existing connector types, what do you suggest?
eSata with extra deep connector socket plus an at least one inch deep
device body socket to grasp the plug end of a external mobile device
Thunderbolt? Thunderbolt started 11 years ago. USB started 26 years
ago. Thunderbolt required paying a royalty to Intel until recently.>
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/intel-to-make-thunderbolt-3-royalty-free-in-bid-to-spur-adoption/
another exercise in life-brevity i.e. planned obsolescence
Did you buy a computer with a Thunderbolt interface? Why not?
Thunderbolt 3 will mutate into the USB 4 form factor.
couldn't care less
Now my turn. Why haven't I bought two or three other new laptops
since my Asus G73 and why am I not likely to buy another at all for
some (read a loooooong) time to come?
designed like myself for a million insertions with little risk of
tiring
bad sector wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
bad sector wrote:
The entire USB interface whorehouse is already nothing but a huge
scam. It shudda been put out of its misery years ago
What is your proposal for a replacement? What would be your new design? >>> Of other existing connector types, what do you suggest?
eSata with extra deep connector socket plus an at least one inch deep
device body socket to grasp the plug end of a external mobile device
That would go backward in bandwidth. SATA-3 has 6Gbps max bandwidth (theoretical, not actual). USB-3.0 goes to 5 Gbps, USB-3.1 goes to
10Gbps and UASP, USB-3.2 to 10-20 Gbps, Thunderbolt to 40 Gbps, and
USB-4 (based on Thunderbolt) is 40 Gbps. Sometimes you find builds that
have internal HDDs with a USB3 port instead of SATA. Users will
dismantle an old build thinking to repurpose the old HDDs in a new
build, but find the HDDs have USB ports. SATA-3 performs still faster
than USB-3.0, but that's because SATA-3 is 6 Gpbs versus USB3.0 at 5
Gbps. But USB is evolving to higher bandwidths, like for USB 4.3 Gen
2x2, than SATA can support.
eSATA connectors supply no power. Your external eSATA device has to get power from a walwart. For an eSATA device, you have the cable from
computer to eSATA device, and a power adapter to the eSATA device. USB, firewire, and thunderbolt suppy power. Yeah, a modified eSATA connector could get designed that includes power lines, like the combo SATA+PWR connectors used for internal drives, or maybe your desktop PC has an
eSATAp (powered eSATA) port which means your external device needs one,
too, but you're still stuck with the lower bandwidth of eSATA compared
to USB-4 or Thunderbolt. If you have an eSATA connector on the
backpanel of your desktop PC, is it double wide to include the power connector (looks like the extra wide internal SATA+pwr connector), or
look like an eSATAp port?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5R3IpwMl1Ts/maxresdefault.jpg
No idea if eSATAp will take off. I haven't found mobos with them. With users migrating to SSDs for storage, and getting mobos with m.2 NVMe
slots to use with NVMe SSDs which are using PCI for direct to CPU
transfer, SATA is dying out. NVMe in onboard, so no connecting external
SSD NVMe drives. For external SSDs, or even internal non-NVMe SSDs,
you're stuck with [e]SATA which went stagnant. There is no SATA-4 in
the works. There are no plans to extend SATA bandwidth beyond 6 Gbps.
There is SATA-3.2 Express, but that relies on the PCIe bus for achieving
more than the 6 Gbps transfer speed. SATA-3 Express failed. m.2 and
NVMe (using PCIe) surpassed it.
Thunderbolt? Thunderbolt started 11 years ago. USB started 26 years
ago. Thunderbolt required paying a royalty to Intel until recently.>
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/05/intel-to-make-thunderbolt-3-royalty-free-in-bid-to-spur-adoption/
another exercise in life-brevity i.e. planned obsolescence
Huh? Removing the royalty means MORE hardware designers will adopt Thunderbolt whether exhibited as plain Thunderbolt, or implemented in
USB-4.
SATA is stagnant (dead). SATAe failed. Few computers have an eSATAp
port (I haven't found any, but there may be some). NVMe is already available, but only for internal drives since it involve PCIe.
Thunderbolt (innate, or integrated into USB-4) will kill any eSATA[p] or
SATA interface.
Just what is your design that obviates obsolescence? ALL computer
hardware eventually becomes obsolete. So do the features in smart TVs, operating systems, and anything connected to computers. Else,
technology would stagnate, and you'd still be using an 5 MB MFM drive
with a specialty controller card.
Did you buy a computer with a Thunderbolt interface? Why not?
Thunderbolt 3 will mutate into the USB 4 form factor.
couldn't care less
So, you really aren't interest in a better hardware storage interface.
What were you trying to convey by saying "The entire USB interface
whorehouse is already nothing but a huge scam. It shudda been put out of
its misery years ago"? What's the "scam"? What is so miserable about
USB?
Now my turn. Why haven't I bought two or three other new laptops
since my Asus G73 and why am I not likely to buy another at all for
some (read a loooooong) time to come?
Because your current but 12-year old hardware meets your current needs despite the hardware is obsolescent. That's not an excuse to condemn
newer hardware that exceeds what you have.
I have an equally old Acer laptop that is still usable. Not better, not faster, nor in any way excels my latest desktop PC build, or even a
younger netbook, but it still works. When my prior desktop build got
zapped by lightning (it bypassed the UPS - high voltage goes where it
wants), I was without a computer. I hooked a monitor, keyboard, and
mouse to the old laptop, and used that while ordering parts and doing
the new build. The experience was frustrating and slow, but it worked.
Its battery was dead, but it worked on A/C power. Would I use it now
that I have a fresh new build? No way! I used it because it was all I
had at the time.
Some consumers buy stuff because it's new or different. Some consumers research before buying to determine if they're getting bang for the
buck. If your criteria doesn't mandate spending on new hardware, OS,
and apps, or faster, or more storage, or whatever then stick with what
works. My primary car is a 2002. Still works. None of all the
gimmicks in the 2018, but those aren't needed for the basic use of a
car. It rattles, has rust, so-so MPH, no passenger air bag, no head
unit to pair to my smartphone (which is 3 years old, and was introduced
6 years ago, is unsupported so no OS updates), and other features many consumers think are needed. As a commuter car, it still works. Didn't
stop me from getting a newer car with lots more gimmicks, but I put the
most wear on the old car (which is now a classic being over 20 years
old).
Obviously you're not getting newer storage interfaces on your old
computer, but that doesn't obviate newer and faster is available, is not
yet obsolescent since it is still evolving rather than stagnant, like
SATA, and are [soon] available if you really do want to get away from
the "entire USB interface whorehouse".
designed like myself for a million insertions with little risk of
tiring
Can be done. Get the user out the equation, and the abuse disappears.
USB-C is rated for 10,000 insertions. That's a rating based on the
connector format. Some USB-C connectors are rated to 20K insertions, or more. Depends on how much you're willing to spend on quality. Military grade USB connectors that are waterproof, have a ratching ring for
secure connects and strain relief, and high insertion count are unlikely
to find their way into the consumer-grade computer parts market where
you buy computer parts, or buy pre-built computers using consumer-grade parts.
If insertion rating will never be high enough to warrant your
acceptance, get shorty USB cables to leave plugged into your computers.
Wear on the computer's USB ports (the ones hardest to replace) will be minimalized since only the other end will plug ito the device's USB
cable. The shorty USB cable can be easily replaced after 10 years it
takes to come close to the insertion rating count. Oh, those insertion ratings are a minimum, so you get at least that many barring user abuse
which is obviously to most likely cause for failure. No matter how
protected or robust a connector, it can be damaged by users.
bad sector wrote:
I call it a scam because on both my laptop and my desktop of a total of
maybe a dozen usb ports 8 are so loose that they cannot be used.
How is a hardware spec responsible for user abuse, or poor/low quality components? Never had a loose USB port on my desktop PCs (many builds), laptops, netbooks, or smartphones. I've had to replace USB ports for
users that are very rough on their USB ports. You can even damage wall outlets when plugging in power cords. With USB-C ports, you can insert
them either way, but USB-A ports require a specific orientation. Don't
jam in the cable, but instead insert to see if there is resistance, and
if so then rotate the plug 180 degrees. Pull straight out, not at an
angle. There are military-grade USB port you could use to replace the consumer-grade, or poor-grade, ones in the laptop, but they cost more.
There are military USB ports that remove the user from doing the
alignment, and instead have a lock-ring to pull down the connector into
the plug to protect the connection from the grunts.
The USB ports in the desktop can be replaced, even those in the case
(top, front, or backpanel), and USB ports in drive bays or back slots
can be easily replaced. USB ports in laptops are harder to replace only because dismantling a laptop is a more difficult than dismantling a
desktop case. Thereafter be more gentle on your USB insertions, or use shorty USB extenders where they stay plugged in to minimize wear on the laptop's USB ports, and the vast majority of the wear is on the other
end of the shorty USB extender (the end that plugs into devices).
Shorty USB cables are cheap, and super easy to replace. USB hubs would
also reduce wear on the USB case ports.
Somehow you have me confused with someone who replaces usb ports, or
is this alt.comp.hardware.technicians?
That said, I have to admit that that the original standard designers
cannot be held responsible for what manufacturers will do with them.
I'm thinking of 5" usb wifi transceivers that can almost flip a light
'book on its back. You call THAT 'user' abuse?
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I have an unpowered USB hub (no walmart needed nor having to store) in
my laptop's tote bag. That lets me plug in a keyboard, mouse, and more low-powered USB devices, and more than what the single USB port on the
laptop would allow. At home, I added a powered USB hub when I ran out
of USB port since the addition of the A/C adapter wasn't a problem with
a desktop PC.
"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:9dml9jwfjrnu.dlg@v.nguard.lh...
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I have an unpowered USB hub (no walmart needed nor having to store) in
my laptop's tote bag. That lets me plug in a keyboard, mouse, and more
low-powered USB devices, and more than what the single USB port on the
laptop would allow. At home, I added a powered USB hub when I ran out
of USB port since the addition of the A/C adapter wasn't a problem with
a desktop PC.
Of further note is that a USB2 hub can provide enough power to run an external HDD without the use of a 'Y' lead if it's plugged into a USB3 port.
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