• STX-II *tonal characteristics*?

    From bad sector@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 19 12:22:03 2021
    http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/Audio_Card/Essence_STX_II/E9122_Essence_STX_II_User_Manual.pdf

    I bought this card like in another life because the Crosshair mobo
    (also bought in another life) onboard 1/8" audio connectors aren't
    worth a shit (continuous crackling and things) making music work
    IMPOSSIBLE. This card has the 1/4" jacks as well!!! Going through
    my things I just found the bundled pair of small pliers and these 3
    chips. Very nice idea for the pliers, maybe other makers could start
    bundling other computer-handy tools, bits-&-pieces, cpu-paste and stuff :-))

    BUT...

    p-11 says the (supplied) 3 chips will "change the tonal characteristics" without so much as giving a hint as to in what way, something one
    would want to know BEFOREHAND! Are all manufacturers this freakin'
    stupid?

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to bad sector on Fri Nov 19 13:37:33 2021
    On 11/19/2021 12:22 PM, bad sector wrote:
    http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/Audio_Card/Essence_STX_II/E9122_Essence_STX_II_User_Manual.pdf

    I bought this card like in another life because the Crosshair mobo
    (also bought in another life) onboard 1/8" audio connectors aren't
    worth a shit (continuous crackling and things) making music work
    IMPOSSIBLE. This card has the 1/4" jacks as well!!! Going through
    my things I just found the bundled pair of small pliers and these 3
    chips. Very nice idea for the pliers, maybe other makers could start
    bundling other computer-handy tools, bits-&-pieces, cpu-paste and stuff :-))

    BUT...

    p-11 says the (supplied) 3 chips will "change the tonal characteristics" without so much as giving a hint as to in what way, something one
    would want to know BEFOREHAND! Are all manufacturers this freakin'
    stupid?

    Some commercial DAC chips, have high impedance outputs. Like
    one megohm to ten megohms. This means for the next circuit in
    line in the chain, they have no "driving power". An opamp with
    FET inputs and 10^12 input impedance, helps quell any
    audio rolloff.

    ---- 1 megohm ---+-----> instrumentation amp ---> and so on
    | unity gain follower
    Cin
    |
    GND

    When you substitute a 741 in the circuit, it sounds
    like a phone booth on the output. All the high frequencies
    disappear.

    At a guess, the "tonal characteristic" is "low pass filter".

    If they offered you anything, it could have been a chip
    puller for some 8 pin DIPs. It was popular at some time
    in past years, to be swapping out opamps and seeing if
    there was less effect on higher audio frequencies.

    There might be a web page or two on this topic out there.

    There are probably more opamps in SMT format than DIP,
    which means the variety of opamps available might be
    limited in some way. But there would be no way for
    an end user to "insert" a surface mount opamp, and so
    this hobby of amp swapping would need adapters of some sort.
    Instead of 8 pin DIP, the surface mount ones might
    have five contacts (diff in, out, VCC, GND). The 8 pin DIP
    had enough pins on it, to do dual opamps in one pack.
    If someone hands you an 8 pin DIP, it could be
    a single op amp or a dual op amp.

    Opamps come in a variety of operating voltages. In the
    old days, the supply limit was +/-18V, for a total of
    36 volts between VCC and GND. But later on, there were
    some (ostensibly) 5V opamps, where the opamp had a charge
    pump inside to make a negative bias, and the opamp could
    "swing to the rail". The old 18V bipolar opamps, the
    output might swing +/-15V and the amp could not
    "swing to the rails". There are some opamps for things
    like cellphones, where VCC = +1.0 volts and the amp
    has a very low range of output voltages. These might
    be used in hearing aids.

    As a result of this, at least a bit of care is required
    in vetting amps to shove in the hole :-) Don't be shoving
    the one volt item in there, or there will be magic smoke.
    The sockets presented, will have no armament to protect
    from catastrophe. You have to know what you're doing,
    and the damn documentation should explain stuff like this
    if the intent is for the user to be running off to
    Radio Shack for Opamps.

    When I was in school, one afternoon I had a lab, and it
    had to do with high frequency rolloff. And we were given
    a 741 each, to play with. So what I did, is left the lab
    and ran across the street to the Radio Shack, and got
    a CMOS amp with 6MHz gain bandwidth, and I did my lab
    with that :-) That's why I tell these little jokes about
    Radio Shack, because I've actually done that in a real
    world situation (play the part of an opamp snob :-) ).

    Paul

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  • From bad sector@21:1/5 to Paul on Fri Nov 19 15:59:34 2021
    On 11/19/21 1:37 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 11/19/2021 12:22 PM, bad sector wrote:
    http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/Audio_Card/Essence_STX_II/E9122_Essence_STX_II_User_Manual.pdf




    I bought
    this card like in another life because the Crosshair mobo

    (also bought in another life) onboard 1/8" audio connectors aren't
    worth a shit (continuous crackling and things) making music work
    IMPOSSIBLE. This card has the 1/4" jacks as well!!! Going through
    my things I just found the bundled pair of small pliers and these
    3 chips. Very nice idea for the pliers, maybe other makers could
    start bundling other computer-handy tools, bits-&-pieces, cpu-paste
    and stuff :-))

    BUT...

    p-11 says the (supplied) 3 chips will "change the tonal
    characteristics"

    without so much as giving a hint as to in what way, something one

    would want to know BEFOREHAND! Are all manufacturers this freakin'

    stupid?

    Some commercial DAC chips, have high impedance outputs. Like one
    megohm to ten megohms. This means for the next circuit in

    line in the chain, they have no "driving power". An opamp with

    FET inputs and 10^12 input impedance, helps quell any audio rolloff.

    ---- 1 megohm ---+-----> instrumentation amp ---> and so on

    | unity gain follower

    Cin

    |

    GND

    When you substitute a 741 in the circuit, it sounds like a phone
    booth on the output. All the high frequencies disappear.


    At a guess, the "tonal characteristic" is "low pass filter".

    that one I don't need, actually this card is more than what I do
    need except for the reliable 1/4" jacks which are a must
    until the minis get totally redesigned with many sprung
    contacts that cnnot fatigue.


    As a result of this, at least a bit of care is required in vetting
    amps to shove in the hole :-) Don't be shoving
    the one volt item in there, or there will be magic smoke. The
    sockets presented, will have no armament to protect
    from catastrophe. You have to know what you're doing, and the damn documentation should explain stuff like this if the intent is for
    the user to be running off to Radio Shack for Opamps.

    When I was in school, one afternoon I had a lab, and it had to do
    with high frequency rolloff. And we were given
    a 741 each, to play with. So what I did, is left the lab and ran
    across the street to the Radio Shack, and got a CMOS amp with 6MHz
    gain bandwidth, and I did my lab with that :-) That's why I tell
    these little jokes about Radio Shack, because I've actually done
    that in a real world situation (play the part of an opamp snob :-)
    ).

    :-)

    Thank you, I'm very happy to just leave as was, keeping the nice little pliers!

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  • From KenW@21:1/5 to forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov on Fri Nov 19 15:08:26 2021
    On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:59:34 -0500, bad sector
    <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov> wrote:

    On 11/19/21 1:37 PM, Paul wrote:
    On 11/19/2021 12:22 PM, bad sector wrote:
    http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/Audio_Card/Essence_STX_II/E9122_Essence_STX_II_User_Manual.pdf




    I bought
    this card like in another life because the Crosshair mobo

    (also bought in another life) onboard 1/8" audio connectors aren't
    worth a shit (continuous crackling and things) making music work
    IMPOSSIBLE. This card has the 1/4" jacks as well!!! Going through
    my things I just found the bundled pair of small pliers and these
    3 chips. Very nice idea for the pliers, maybe other makers could
    start bundling other computer-handy tools, bits-&-pieces, cpu-paste
    and stuff :-))

    BUT...

    p-11 says the (supplied) 3 chips will "change the tonal
    characteristics"

    without so much as giving a hint as to in what way, something one

    would want to know BEFOREHAND! Are all manufacturers this freakin'

    stupid?

    Some commercial DAC chips, have high impedance outputs. Like one
    megohm to ten megohms. This means for the next circuit in

    line in the chain, they have no "driving power". An opamp with

    FET inputs and 10^12 input impedance, helps quell any audio rolloff.

    ---- 1 megohm ---+-----> instrumentation amp ---> and so on

    | unity gain follower

    Cin

    |

    GND

    When you substitute a 741 in the circuit, it sounds like a phone
    booth on the output. All the high frequencies disappear.


    At a guess, the "tonal characteristic" is "low pass filter".

    that one I don't need, actually this card is more than what I do
    need except for the reliable 1/4" jacks which are a must
    until the minis get totally redesigned with many sprung
    contacts that cnnot fatigue.


    As a result of this, at least a bit of care is required in vetting
    amps to shove in the hole :-) Don't be shoving
    the one volt item in there, or there will be magic smoke. The
    sockets presented, will have no armament to protect
    from catastrophe. You have to know what you're doing, and the damn
    documentation should explain stuff like this if the intent is for
    the user to be running off to Radio Shack for Opamps.

    When I was in school, one afternoon I had a lab, and it had to do
    with high frequency rolloff. And we were given
    a 741 each, to play with. So what I did, is left the lab and ran
    across the street to the Radio Shack, and got a CMOS amp with 6MHz
    gain bandwidth, and I did my lab with that :-) That's why I tell
    these little jokes about Radio Shack, because I've actually done
    that in a real world situation (play the part of an opamp snob :-)
    ).

    :-)

    Thank you, I'm very happy to just leave as was, keeping the nice little pliers!


    I was helping another tech move a telephone system. The customer had
    time tones go off in the factory and the system couldn't do it without
    help. Went to Radio Shack and got some parts to build something. The
    tech could not stop talking about it for months. Score ten for Ham
    Radio and computers.


    KenW

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