Just wondering, I can carry a SATA ssd in my pocket
just as easily as a US(eless)B dongle and could get
more capacity plus gigamultiples of speed (not to
mention reliability issues). Do any MoBo makers do
this yet?

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On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:45:01 -0500, bad sector <forgetski@postit_invalid_.gov> wrote:

Just wondering, I can carry a SATA ssd in my pocket
just as easily as a US(eless)B dongle and could get
more capacity plus gigamultiples of speed (not to
mention reliability issues). Do any MoBo makers do
this yet?

You're looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA
My ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX MB purchased in 2012 has one eSATA external connection.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

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On 11/18/21 12:05 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:45:01 -0500, bad sector <forgetski@postit_invalid_.gov> wrote:

Just wondering, I can carry a SATA ssd in my pocket just as easily
as a US(eless)B dongle and could get more capacity plus
gigamultiples of speed (not to mention reliability issues). Do any
MoBo makers do this yet?

You're looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA

My ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX MB purchased in 2012 has one eSATA external connection.

My asus g73 laptop doesn't but I just see that my crosshair-IV
mobo has two of them. One of the uses I'd have for it is the
perpetual migration of files between the two as I'm on the
laptop in the day and on the desktop in the evening. I don't
wanna network them as that would require both to run at
the same time and wouldn't work on the road at all.

What I had in mind were maybe a few deep recessed sata ports
in computers into which one could half-insert ruggedized mobile
ssd's built with that in mind, a bit like large usb drives but better
held in a recessed port.

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On 11/18/21 12:05 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:45:01 -0500, bad sector <forgetski@postit_invalid_.gov> wrote:

Just wondering, I can carry a SATA ssd in my pocket just as easily
as a US(eless)B dongle and could get more capacity plus
gigamultiples of speed (not to mention reliability issues). Do any
MoBo makers do this yet?

You're looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA

My ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX MB purchased in 2012 has one eSATA external connection.

Regards, Dave Hodgins

thanks, those are impressive tx rates, with 5G and wifi
one might even use a mobile drive without taking it
out of the shirt pocket :-)

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On 11/18/2021 8:50 AM, bad sector wrote:

On 11/18/21 12:05 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:45:01 -0500, bad sector
<forgetski@postit_invalid_.gov> wrote:

Just wondering, I can carry a SATA ssd in my pocket just as easily
as a US(eless)B dongle and could get more capacity plus
gigamultiples of speed (not to mention reliability issues). Do any
MoBo makers do this yet?

You're looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA

My ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX MB purchased in 2012 has one eSATA external
connection.

My asus g73 laptop doesn't but I just see that my crosshair-IV
mobo has two of them. One of the uses I'd have for it is the
perpetual migration of files between the two as I'm on the
laptop in the day and on the desktop in the evening. I don't
wanna network them as that would require both to run at
the same time and wouldn't work on the road at all.

What I had in mind were maybe a few deep recessed sata ports
in computers into which one could half-insert ruggedized mobile
ssd's built with that in mind, a bit like large usb drives but better
held in a recessed port.

ESATA follows the SATA II standard. SATA follows the SATA III standard.

That means ESATA is good for HDD rates, but may limit your SSD a bit.

ESATA traded cable length (2 meters max) for speed (300MB/sec max).
Internal SATA is 1 meter max and 600MB/sec speed.

*******

Right now, I can go to the store and get one of these (512GB USB version)
for $100 CDN. Around 1.5GB/sec class. Needs a new motherboard with a
USB-C connector on the back, at a minimum. There are two or three of
these in stock in town right now. (The store is out, on a ton of other
stuff, but they bought a box of these and gave some to each store.)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17052/kingston-xs2000-portable-ssds-review-usb-32-gen-2x2-goes-mainstream

You could find an ASM3242 card with PCIe Rev3 x4 connector, like this,
if your motherboard doesn't have a USB-C. The Rev3 x4 gives 4GB bandwidth,
cut in half by system hub packet buffers, so is the right size for full
speed operation at 2GB/sec. I might have one card slot that will suit this well.

https://www.legitreviews.com/orico-usb-3-2-gen-2x2-20gbps-add-in-card-review_225233

One problem with USB-C connectors and packaging containers (faceplates),
is the faceplate thickness can prevent the USB-C from seating properly. Peripherals with short extender cables, may or may not help with that.

And people have attempted to make storage devices with a "snout" on the
front, to solve the extender cable issue, but they really don't sell well :-)

Paul

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On 11/18/21 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:

On 11/18/2021 8:50 AM, bad sector wrote:

On 11/18/21 12:05 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:45:01 -0500, bad sector
<forgetski@postit_invalid_.gov> wrote:

Just wondering, I can carry a SATA ssd in my pocket just as
easily as a US(eless)B dongle and could get more capacity plus
gigamultiples of speed (not to mention reliability issues). Do
any MoBo makers do this yet?

You're looking for
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA


My ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX MB purchased in 2012 has one eSATA
external connection.

My asus g73 laptop doesn't but I just see that my crosshair-IV
mobo has two of them. One of the uses I'd have for it is the
perpetual migration of files between the two as I'm on the laptop
in the day and on the desktop in the evening. I don't wanna
network them as that would require both to run at the same time
and wouldn't work on the road at all.

What I had in mind were maybe a few deep recessed sata ports in
computers into which one could half-insert ruggedized mobile ssd's
built with that in mind, a bit like large usb drives but better
held in a recessed port.

ESATA follows the SATA II standard. SATA follows the SATA III
standard.

That means ESATA is good for HDD rates, but may limit your SSD a
bit.

ESATA traded cable length (2 meters max) for speed (300MB/sec max).
Internal SATA is 1 meter max and 600MB/sec speed.

I don't need 2m but woud probably have one of those on hand too

*******

Right now, I can go to the store and get one of these (512GB USB
version) for $100 CDN. Around 1.5GB/sec class. Needs a new
motherboard with a USB-C connector on the back, at a minimum. There
are two or three of these in stock in town right now. (The store is
out, on a ton of other stuff, but they bought a box of these and gave
some to each store.)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17052/kingston-xs2000-portable-ssds-review-usb-32-gen-2x2-goes-mainstream

You could find an ASM3242 card with PCIe Rev3 x4 connector, like
this, if your motherboard doesn't have a USB-C. The Rev3 x4 gives 4GB
bandwidth, cut in half by system hub packet buffers, so is the right
size for full speed operation at 2GB/sec. I might have one card slot
that will suit this well.

https://www.legitreviews.com/orico-usb-3-2-gen-2x2-20gbps-add-in-card-review_225233

I'll keep an eye on it but again, I have to think not only of
my desktop death-star but also of three laptops in the house
only one of which is mine so a USB-2 floor value commonality
option is a must like via additional cables/adapters. If I have to
use cables then I migt as well go for eSata as I have more
confidence in that connector by way of physical reliability. (I've
had nothiong but bad experiences with just about every type of
connector found on laptops from 1/8" audio to usb).

One problem with USB-C connectors and packaging containers
(faceplates), is the faceplate thickness can prevent the USB-C from
seating properly. Peripherals with short extender cables, may or may
not help with that.

I've had to trim a mouse plug because of this port-footprint hogging :-)

And people have attempted to make storage devices with a "snout" on
the front, to solve the extender cable issue, but they really don't
sell well :-)

I might just get me a mobile ssd rack into which I can insert stock
internal ssd's directly just like that (regardless of the insertion limitations)
but this would not work on my laptop without some sata>usb adaptor
cable.

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On 11/18/21 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:

On 11/18/2021 8:50 AM, bad sector wrote:

On 11/18/21 12:05 AM, David W. Hodgins wrote:

On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:45:01 -0500, bad sector
<forgetski@postit_invalid_.gov> wrote:

Just wondering, I can carry a SATA ssd in my pocket just as
easily

as a US(eless)B dongle and could get more capacity plus
gigamultiples of speed (not to mention reliability issues). Do
any

MoBo makers do this yet?

You're looking for
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#eSATA


My ASUS SABERTOOTH 990FX MB purchased in 2012 has one eSATA
external connection.

My asus g73 laptop doesn't but I just see that my crosshair-IV

mobo has two of them. One of the uses I'd have for it is the
perpetual migration of files between the two as I'm on the laptop
in the day and on the desktop in the evening. I don't wanna
network them as that would require both to run at the same time
and wouldn't work on the road at all.

What I had in mind were maybe a few deep recessed sata ports in
computers into which one could half-insert ruggedized mobile ssd's
built with that in mind, a bit like large usb drives but better
held in a recessed port.

ESATA follows the SATA II standard. SATA follows the SATA III
standard.

That means ESATA is good for HDD rates, but may limit your SSD a
bit.

ESATA traded cable length (2 meters max) for speed (300MB/sec max).
Internal SATA is 1 meter max and 600MB/sec speed.

*******

Right now, I can go to the store and get one of these (512GB USB
version) for $100 CDN. Around 1.5GB/sec class. Needs a new
motherboard with a USB-C connector on the back, at a minimum. There
are two or three of these in stock in town right now. (The store is
out, on a ton of other stuff, but they bought a box of these and gave
some to each store.)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17052/kingston-xs2000-portable-ssds-review-usb-32-gen-2x2-goes-mainstream

You could find an ASM3242 card with PCIe Rev3 x4 connector, like
this,

if your motherboard doesn't have a USB-C. The Rev3 x4 gives 4GB
bandwidth,

cut in half by system hub packet buffers, so is the right size for
full speed operation at 2GB/sec. I might have one card slot that will
suit this well.

https://www.legitreviews.com/orico-usb-3-2-gen-2x2-20gbps-add-in-card-review_225233

One problem with USB-C connectors and packaging containers
(faceplates),

is the faceplate thickness can prevent the USB-C from seating
properly. Peripherals with short extender cables, may or may not
help with that.

And people have attempted to make storage devices with a "snout" on
the front, to solve the extender cable issue, but they really don't
sell well :-)

Paul

I finally got a short eSata/USB-Power cable and am getting
up to 200 MB/s transfers with it. This is the type of port I'd
like to see bristling around the desktop box as well as the
laptop. With a deep port that assures physical stability and
a million-insertion redesigned interface it would blow the
USB crap into the weeds. Just eyeballing it, the ssd could
well be hosted in a 1"x1/2"x3" stick, I'd actually prefer using
standard internal ssd's and keep the versatility :-)

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