I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit. The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3
megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than Win10_64
and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better off
just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their smartphone is sufficient.
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be betterIs the HDD the bottleneck?
off just cloning to a SSD?
Am Fri, 5 Nov 2021 15:13:29 -0500
schrieb philo <philo@privacy.net>:
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be betterIs the HDD the bottleneck?
off just cloning to a SSD?
If so, I recommend reinstalling Win 10 on the SSD to ensure you have
clean system.
The performance of Windows depends also on the HDD latency/reading
speed. I experienced strong improvements by replacing HDDs with SSDs.
4 GiB RAM should be enough, but you should remove all applications and Windows apps you don't need and ensure they are not automatically
loaded at Startup (use Sysinternals Autoruns to remove them).
On 11/5/2021 3:13 PM, philo wrote:
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit.
The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
 From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3
megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than
Win10_64 and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better
off just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their
smartphone is sufficient.
Many laptops that were originally limited to 4gb ram later
had bios updates that increased that capacity. I'd consider
W7 for it.
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit. The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3 megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than Win10_64 and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better off just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their smartphone is sufficient.
On 11/5/2021 4:13 PM, philo wrote:
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit.
The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
 From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3
megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than
Win10_64 and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better
off just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their
smartphone is sufficient.
Reload the OS.
That's not normal.
It is Windows 11 that needs the RAM. And a ton of other things.
Windows 10, the kernel needs 256-350MB of RAM, as rough numbers.
When operated with 1GB of RAM, the "hard faults" should stop
happening in the performance monitor. There's no need to
do memory compression, when 1GB is installed.
There must be something else loaded, to upset it like that.
The next thing to check, is Windows Update. Like most modern Windows
OSes, the two Windows Update services are a pig, and can drive
RAM usage into the stratosphere. If the Windows Update is broken
and behind, the machine can be working up a big sweat for nothing.
That's why I suggest a reload, with whatever you want, 32 or 64.
Just be careful that you match the user apps properly. For example,
a renter of Adobe software needs 64-bit, because Adobe only
supports 64-bit. Someone running 16-bit games, might need the
32-bit OS version for that.
And check the Crucial.com page for max RAM, and see what they
recommend.
Any time an OS and programs have a problem, if the thing is
running out of RAM, ordering more RAM won't fix it. Like,
for a "leak". If you put 256GB of RAM in it, that just
increases the time before it crashes on low memory.
If a machine is properly behaved, adding RAM allows more
programs to be open. And the amount of RAM you have,
should support quite a number of programs. Right now,
Firefox and Seamonkey are not well behaved, but an update
to Firefox may change that (the tab-unloader is back as
a concept, something they've been working on for two years).
  Paul
On Sat, 6 Nov 2021 06:08:15 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
On 11/5/21 6:22 PM, Paul wrote:
On 11/5/2021 4:13 PM, philo wrote:
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit.
The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3 >>>> megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than
Win10_64 and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better
off just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their
smartphone is sufficient.
Reload the OS.
That's not normal.
It is Windows 11 that needs the RAM. And a ton of other things.
Windows 10, the kernel needs 256-350MB of RAM, as rough numbers.
When operated with 1GB of RAM, the "hard faults" should stop
happening in the performance monitor. There's no need to
do memory compression, when 1GB is installed.
There must be something else loaded, to upset it like that.
The next thing to check, is Windows Update. Like most modern Windows
OSes, the two Windows Update services are a pig, and can drive
RAM usage into the stratosphere. If the Windows Update is broken
and behind, the machine can be working up a big sweat for nothing.
That's why I suggest a reload, with whatever you want, 32 or 64.
Just be careful that you match the user apps properly. For example,
a renter of Adobe software needs 64-bit, because Adobe only
supports 64-bit. Someone running 16-bit games, might need the
32-bit OS version for that.
And check the Crucial.com page for max RAM, and see what they
recommend.
Any time an OS and programs have a problem, if the thing is
running out of RAM, ordering more RAM won't fix it. Like,
for a "leak". If you put 256GB of RAM in it, that just
increases the time before it crashes on low memory.
If a machine is properly behaved, adding RAM allows more
programs to be open. And the amount of RAM you have,
should support quite a number of programs. Right now,
Firefox and Seamonkey are not well behaved, but an update
to Firefox may change that (the tab-unloader is back as
a concept, something they've been working on for two years).
Paul
The machine is used for Facebook, Gmail and backing up/viewing photos
taken on her phone.
Nothing else really. For the most part it's simply that I need a project.
People have different ideas about software "upgrades" "updates"
< the reason you're running Win 10 >
I'm happily milking the final years from a T500 <P8400> that
does all the usual stuff with nary a hiccup.
: Win 8.1 Pro
: I added SSD and upped ram to 6mb
: good internet connection & good older router
I set NO to all auto-updates on all software ; I decline all
update requests pop-ups ; I clear the browser cache ~ daily
and if I've done some serious shopping ; and before & after banking.
In contrast - my wife's Win 7 Dell Vostro <2328M> became
~ unusable from software bloat and we replaced it last year.
I've learned to leave-well-enough-alone for updating software -
ie if it ain't broke .. My last update of Firefox seemed to get
me a poor version and I lost bookmarks = PITA ! but my last update of
Open Office was a treat !! the newer version was faster and bug
free. < both of these were a couple years ago >
John T.
On 11/5/21 6:22 PM, Paul wrote:
On 11/5/2021 4:13 PM, philo wrote:
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit.
The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3
megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than
Win10_64 and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better
off just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their
smartphone is sufficient.
Reload the OS.
That's not normal.
It is Windows 11 that needs the RAM. And a ton of other things.
Windows 10, the kernel needs 256-350MB of RAM, as rough numbers.
When operated with 1GB of RAM, the "hard faults" should stop
happening in the performance monitor. There's no need to
do memory compression, when 1GB is installed.
There must be something else loaded, to upset it like that.
The next thing to check, is Windows Update. Like most modern Windows
OSes, the two Windows Update services are a pig, and can drive
RAM usage into the stratosphere. If the Windows Update is broken
and behind, the machine can be working up a big sweat for nothing.
That's why I suggest a reload, with whatever you want, 32 or 64.
Just be careful that you match the user apps properly. For example,
a renter of Adobe software needs 64-bit, because Adobe only
supports 64-bit. Someone running 16-bit games, might need the
32-bit OS version for that.
And check the Crucial.com page for max RAM, and see what they
recommend.
Any time an OS and programs have a problem, if the thing is
running out of RAM, ordering more RAM won't fix it. Like,
for a "leak". If you put 256GB of RAM in it, that just
increases the time before it crashes on low memory.
If a machine is properly behaved, adding RAM allows more
programs to be open. And the amount of RAM you have,
should support quite a number of programs. Right now,
Firefox and Seamonkey are not well behaved, but an update
to Firefox may change that (the tab-unloader is back as
a concept, something they've been working on for two years).
Paul
The machine is used for Facebook, Gmail and backing up/viewing photos
taken on her phone.
Nothing else really. For the most part it's simply that I need a project.
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit. The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
On 05/11/2021 20:13, philo wrote:
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit.Something wrong there.
The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
One of my laptops is running Win10 64 bit with 2 GB RAM, fully updated
to 21H1. Its no ball of fire but is perfectly usable.
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit. The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3
megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than Win10_64
and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better off
just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their smartphone is sufficient.
I have a friend with an almost unusable laptop running Win10 64 bit. The machine cannot accept more than 4 gigs of RAM.
From my experimenting with other low end machines, I've found that 3
megs of RAM and Win10 32 bit gives much better performance than Win10_64
and 4 gigs of RAM>
I've been thinking of reloading the OS, but wonder if I'd be better off
just cloning to a SSD?
Yes, they will get a new machine one of these days bit for now, their smartphone is sufficient.
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