looking for keyboard with

wired
ps2 + working-usb-adapter
mechanical
white or very light gray or beige
large engraved black letter caps
large L shaped enter key

something like https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/mechanical-keyboard-guide/index_files/picture_024.jpeg

but with no numpad

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On 10/16/2021 5:37 PM, bad sector wrote:

looking for keyboard with

wired
ps2 + working-usb-adapter
mechanical
white or very light gray or beige
large engraved black letter caps
large L shaped enter key

something like https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/mechanical-keyboard-guide/index_files/picture_024.jpeg

but with no numpad

IDK, you're maybe twelve years too late or so.

It's all black keyboards, with various clicky keys. Membrane
keyboards aren't as popular. There are still keyboards with
double-shot keys, but just as many with backlighting (double
shot with clear plastic).

The membrane keyboard I used to have, was great. It had the
color scheme you had in mind. It was easy to see the key caps.
The keys were double-shot. No decals to wear off or "slip around".
The decal thing seems to be an affectation of the "cheap" tier.

The best part, was when you spilled coffee on it :-) Take the
keyboard apart (nine screws or so). Pull out the membranes,
which are "welded" with plastic spot-welds, on one long edge.
This holds the membranes in precise relationship to other
membranes. The membranes separate and you just run tap water
over them, to clean off the coffee. Then, air dry in front of a fan,
with the membranes separated a bit. The rest of it cleans
conventionally, just rinse the cover with its "captive" load of
keys. A pleasure to deal with, compared to the riveted Apple
keyboard I have.

You can walk down the keyboard aisle at the computer store
and try some keyboards out, but I would expect you'll leave, unimpressed
by what you see and test-type on.

The company making the membrane keyboard I used to use,
made a few black ones, leaving the white color scheme behind,
but they also promptly went out of business. The Chinese keyboard
people just crush all opposition, which is why some of these other
things generally disappear.

You can try a Google on "buckling spring" and see if the
company that took up making those, is still in business.
They like legacy look and feel.

Paul

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schrieb Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:

You can try a Google on "buckling spring" and see if the
company that took up making those, is still in business.
They like legacy look and feel.

Buckling-spring keyboards are still made by Unicomp.
They produce the Model M keyboard like IBM and Lexmark, but don't own
the trademark IBM, so they use Unicomp. They also offer them with
Windows and context menu keys.

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On 10/17/21 1:00 AM, Paul wrote:

On 10/16/2021 5:37 PM, bad sector wrote:

looking for keyboard with

wired ps2 + working-usb-adapter

mechanical

white or very light gray or beige large engraved black letter caps

large L shaped enter key something like

https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/mechanical-keyboard-guide/index_files/picture_024.jpeg

but with no numpad

IDK, you're maybe twelve years too late or so.

It's all black keyboards, with various clicky keys. Membrane
keyboards aren't as popular. There are still keyboards with
double-shot keys, but just as many with backlighting (double shot
with clear plastic).

big letters & at least a mid-sized enter-key:

https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/adesso-luminous-akb-132uy-keyboard-usb-black-yellow/apd/aa183973/pc-accessories?gacd=9683780-3008-5761040-266662033-0&dgc=st&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy8-PmK7R8wIVxJyGCh0-rg0_EAQYBCABEgI3GfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&nclid=
saxvKl1gTda53JGv4Lsfqpc3edQZvhSW4FRmiI2thR12hl-6-UsOoN-TBP6PqcfC

they even offer financing for the $24 :-)

There's this freakin but total misconception that only people
with poor eyesight like big letters. There's nothing wrong
with my eyesight, I just wanna know what key is which in
peripheral vision without even looking at it. And there's this
infatuation with black, if you're in a dark room and need backlit
keys then how do you read the still frequent printed material
beside your computer? My study is all glass, or almost, there's
sun everywhere except on cloudy days or at night.

The best part, was when you spilled coffee on it :-) Take the
keyboard apart (nine screws or so). Pull out the membranes,
which are "welded" with plastic spot-welds, on one long edge.

I like to 'know' when a key has been pressed. The best ever
keys I ever came across were on a smallish 12-channel radio
remote, surprisingly also chinese. Probably not a good design
for a keyboard with different dynamics but they had the right idea.

You can walk down the keyboard aisle at the computer store and try
some keyboards out, but I would expect you'll leave, unimpressed by
what you see and test-type on.

I live out in the sticks, the only computer stores around
will cheerfully order one for me but keep only pictures
in stock :-)

You can try a Google on "buckling spring" and see if the company that
took up making those, is still in business. They like legacy look
and feel.

Paul

how's this?

https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/MINI_M

I used to have the originial IBM bangboard ages ago, but have
long since discovered that I never ever actually use the
numpad so I've since been freeing up some desktop space
with things like my present one:

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImage/AAZR_1318795188347945352xvBczOnxN.jpg

which is not ps2 and just won't get me into the Asus-Crosshair-IV
bios more that once out of maybe 50 tries; a real pissoff, enough
to make me wanna get rid of it!!!!

Past the point of no return. I'm now on the warpath, not
another penny except on EXACTLY what I want, every
single one of the listed items.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S5q4bF6lac

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here's one of a very few with a real full sized L-shaped enter-key:

https://www.amazon.ca/Keytronic-KT400U2-Compact-Keyboard-L-Shaped/dp/B00114TASC

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On 10/17/2021 8:21 AM, bad sector wrote:

here's one of a very few with a real full sized L-shaped enter-key:

https://www.amazon.ca/Keytronic-KT400U2-Compact-Keyboard-L-Shaped/dp/B00114TASC

That is the black version of the membrane wonder.

The problem is, Keytronix don't make those any more,
not that I can see. They've been gone for some time.

Switching to black, was their "last gasp". They announced
the black version, and maybe six months or a year later,
the tent seemed to fold up.

If you find one of those, don't pull the keycaps off it. You
can take the screws out and just wash the whole cover (which
holds the keycaps in place). It's perfectly happy to be
cleaned that way. But I decided it had never been cleaned between
keys, and I took the keycaps off. And three or four of them
did not restore like I'd hoped, and it was toast.

I've taken keycaps off some other keyboards, with no harm to them.

Paul

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On 10/17/21 08:10, bad sector wrote:

https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImage/AAZR_1318795188347945352xvBczOnxN.jpg

which is not ps2 and just won't get me into the Asus-Crosshair-IV
bios more that once out of maybe 50 tries; a real pissoff, enough
to make me wanna get rid of it!!!!

Looks like the thing has to be plugged into a usb-2 & not 3

Doesn't change my outlook though, next keybrd or mouse
is ps2 with appropriate working usb adapter

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Am Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:27:41 -0400
schrieb bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov>:

is ps2 with appropriate working usb adapter

Please tell me the model name if you found one.
I ordered 4 and they are all faulty (device errors in dmesg, mouse
stops working etc.)

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On 10/27/21 12:51 PM, Marco Moock wrote:

Am Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:27:41 -0400
schrieb bad sector <forgetski@postit_INVALID_.gov>:

is ps2 with appropriate working usb adapter

Please tell me the model name if you found one.
I ordered 4 and they are all faulty (device errors in dmesg, mouse
stops working etc.)

Yeh, I've read some horror stories about ps2/usb adapters being
nothing but wiring. Now that mine is working OK (knock on wood)
in a usb2 slot it'll be a while before I buy another one. Truth be told
I also have a stby $20 el-cheapo usb keyboard and IT works like
a charm in usb2 OR usb3, not like the DURGOD at 10 times the price!

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I also experienced problems with USB3.
I have 4 of them
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 13ba:0018 PCPlay Barcode PCP-BCG4209

Since I connected it to a USB2 port, it seems to work fine.
I don't know why it is so hard to produce a controller that works with
USB3.

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On 10/27/21 1:25 PM, Marco Moock wrote:

I also experienced problems with USB3.
I have 4 of them
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 13ba:0018 PCPlay Barcode PCP-BCG4209

Since I connected it to a USB2 port, it seems to work fine.
I don't know why it is so hard to produce a controller that works with
USB3.

My Asus Crosshair IV board has some blue usb3 ports
but their use may not have been adequately covered by
the BIOS or BIOS-updates, just a hunch.

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On 10/16/21 5:37 PM, bad sector wrote:

looking for keyboard with

wired
ps2 + working-usb-adapter
mechanical
white or very light gray or beige
large engraved black letter caps
large L shaped enter key

something like https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/mechanical-keyboard-guide/index_files/picture_024.jpeg

but with no numpad

Done some time with the DURGOD gaming keyboard plugged
into usb-2 and still no problems, looks like this WAS the issue.
Still, I plan to glue this one to my g73 laptop (a hopeless design-crime
now with its 3rd and last keyboard) and get me a real ps2 for
the desktop.

Can't get any email out to durgod, anybody know if they make
one with a ps2 interfcae, not a usb that's convertible to ps2
but a real ps2 (that might be convertibleto usb)? I'm also
open to other makes (mechanical, gaming, ps2, white, durable
letters on keycaps)

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On 11/23/2021 7:54 AM, bad sector wrote:

On 10/16/21 5:37 PM, bad sector wrote:

looking for keyboard with

wired
ps2 + working-usb-adapter
mechanical
white or very light gray or beige
large engraved black letter caps
large L shaped enter key

something like
https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/mechanical-keyboard-guide/index_files/picture_024.jpeg

but with no numpad

Done some time with the DURGOD gaming keyboard plugged
into usb-2 and still no problems, looks like this WAS the issue.
Still, I plan to glue this one to my g73 laptop (a hopeless design-crime
now with its 3rd and last keyboard) and get me a real ps2 for
the desktop.

Can't get any email out to durgod, anybody know if they make
one with a ps2 interfcae, not a usb that's convertible to ps2
but a real ps2 (that might be convertibleto usb)? I'm also
open to other makes (mechanical, gaming, ps2, white, durable
letters on keycaps)

Intel is the party that declared computer things as "obsolete".

PCI bus for example, is obsolete, and my newest motherboard does
not have one. The previous machine had one thrown in (a separate
chip used to do it, a bridge chip).

The PS/2 is dead as far as I know, but motherboard companies have
been putting a DIN connector with dual mouse/keyboard wiring. The
SuperIO chips, still contain things Intel was not expecting. If
a company wants to have hardware monitoring, that is what drags
in support for other legacy interfaces.

Generally speaking, there is no reason for keyboard controller
chips to be supporting legacy interfaces. The result of this, is
with time, all you'll find are USB2.

As for the Durgod brand, they're Chinese, and the prices for
some of their products are sky high. You could build your
own keyboard. I've done that, once. It was an interesting exercise
getting the key framework, to seat on the PCB. Took hours to
get the pins to go into the holes. This is back in the day,
where I used to draw the conductor pattern on the PCB blank,
with India Ink.

Paul

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On 11/23/21 10:43 AM, Paul wrote:

On 11/23/2021 7:54 AM, bad sector wrote:

On 10/16/21 5:37 PM, bad sector wrote:

looking for keyboard with
wired ps2 + working-usb-adapter
mechanical
white or very light gray or beige large engraved black letter
caps large L shaped enter key

something like
https://www.talisman.org/~erlkonig/misc/mechanical-keyboard-guide/index_files/picture_024.jpeg

but

with no numpad

Done some time with the DURGOD gaming keyboard plugged into usb-2
and still no problems, looks like this WAS the issue. Still, I plan
to glue this one to my g73 laptop (a hopeless design-crime

now with its 3rd and last keyboard) and get me a real ps2 for the
desktop.


Can't get any email out to durgod, anybody know if they make one
with a ps2 interfcae, not a usb that's convertible to ps2 but a
real ps2 (that might be convertibleto usb)? I'm also

open to other makes (mechanical, gaming, ps2, white, durable
letters on keycaps)

Intel is the party that declared computer things as "obsolete".

PCI bus for example, is obsolete, and my newest motherboard does
not have one. The previous machine had one thrown in (a separate chip
used to do it, a bridge chip).

The PS/2 is dead as far as I know, but motherboard companies have
been putting a DIN connector with dual mouse/keyboard wiring. The
SuperIO chips, still contain things Intel was not expecting. If a
company wants to have hardware monitoring, that is what drags in
support for other legacy interfaces.

Generally speaking, there is no reason for keyboard controller
chips to be supporting legacy interfaces. The result of this, is with
time, all you'll find are USB2.

sometimes user preference should drive the market too,
or you end up with things llike this

https://www.amazon.ca/Anti-Stress-Computer-Keyboard-Desktop-Reliever/dp/B09LXH5Y5D/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=giant+enter+button&qid=1637773731&sr=8-2

even if ps2 is dead my other requirement don't change


mechanical
no lights unless I turn them on on the keyboard
no numpad
large L-shaped enter key
ligt colors
large characters
multi-layer engraved nail resistant keycap lettering

As for the Durgod brand, they're Chinese, and the prices for
some of their products are sky high. You could build your
own keyboard. I've done that, once. It was an interesting exercise
getting the key framework, to seat on the PCB. Took hours to get the
pins to go into the holes. This is back in the day, where I used to
draw the conductor pattern on the PCB blank, with India Ink.

Paul

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