• NEC 386

    From philo@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 4 05:47:44 2021
    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.

    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely
    dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)

    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new
    one would be 4.5v

    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to exit. F7


    It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.


    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour. They
    were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.

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  • From Paul@21:1/5 to philo on Mon Oct 4 07:18:08 2021
    On 10/4/2021 6:47 AM, philo wrote:
    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted right up.

    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)

    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new one would be 4.5v

    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to exit.   F7


    It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.


    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour.  They were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.


    I hope the disk drive made authentic sound effects.

    You should bench it now with HDTune :-)

    Paul

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to philo on Mon Oct 4 08:14:53 2021
    On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 05:47:44 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.
    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely
    dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)
    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new
    one would be 4.5v
    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to exit. F7 >It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.
    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour. They
    were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.


    Ahhh the memories .. :-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_1000#/media/File:Tandy_1000_rl_1.jpg

    My first computer was the sleek little Tandy 1000 RSX < AMD 386 >.
    which cost me $ 700. < on sale > included keyboard, mouse, and
    a 13 inch rgb monitor. < ~ 1 mb ram 60 mb HD ? >
    I remember saving-up $ and nervously installing the math
    co-processor and extra RAM. < another ~ $ 200. >
    Tandy's DeskMate " op sys " was interesting.
    I think it was Win 3.1 otherwise.
    John T.

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Mon Oct 4 08:00:19 2021
    On 10/4/21 7:14 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 05:47:44 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.
    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely
    dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)
    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new
    one would be 4.5v
    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to exit. F7 >> It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.
    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour. They
    were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.


    Ahhh the memories .. :-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_1000#/media/File:Tandy_1000_rl_1.jpg

    My first computer was the sleek little Tandy 1000 RSX < AMD 386 >.
    which cost me $ 700. < on sale > included keyboard, mouse, and
    a 13 inch rgb monitor. < ~ 1 mb ram 60 mb HD ? >
    I remember saving-up $ and nervously installing the math
    co-processor and extra RAM. < another ~ $ 200. >
    Tandy's DeskMate " op sys " was interesting.
    I think it was Win 3.1 otherwise.
    John T.




    Nice.


    Back when the price dropped to $50 I bought a Ti99/4 and actually taught
    myself BASIC.
    Took FORTRAN-IV back in the punch card days and did not learn much.


    After that I used the Ti just for playing games and used it until the
    game port died.


    Never had a computer again until my (now) wife gave me her old Packard
    Bell P-1 around 1999.

    I wen from knowing nothing to running Linux within about a year.

    Took me six months to get Linux installed and working!

    Sure learned a lot though.

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to Paul on Mon Oct 4 07:56:00 2021
    On 10/4/21 6:18 AM, Paul wrote:
    On 10/4/2021 6:47 AM, philo wrote:
    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.

    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely
    dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)

    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new
    one would be 4.5v

    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to
    exit.   F7


    It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.


    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour.
    They were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.


    I hope the disk drive made authentic sound effects.

    You should bench it now with HDTune :-)

       Paul


    I'm going to set it aside now.

    I know from experience an MFM drive can 100% quit with no warning
    whatsoever.


    I have a 286 with two, 20 meg MFM's that I have not fired up in years.

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  • From Richard@21:1/5 to philo on Mon Oct 4 18:57:10 2021
    philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote on Mon, 4 Oct 2021:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.

    Damn, where is my Intel 8088 MS-DOS system with 640 KB RAM, Hercules screen and two floppy drives and without modem and hard drive?

    Richard

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to Richard on Mon Oct 4 13:41:11 2021
    On 10/4/21 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
    philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote on Mon, 4 Oct 2021:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.

    Damn, where is my Intel 8088 MS-DOS system with 640 KB RAM, Hercules screen and
    two floppy drives and without modem and hard drive?

    Richard



    I am having fun diffing through my attic.

    I do have an IBM 8088 up there.

    Right now I'm working on a ps-1 486

    Damn cmos battery kept the right date!


    It had 2 megs of RAM that I now took up to 64 megs

    Label on the case says expandable to 64 megs and Pentium technology.

    486 is soldered in, upgrading to Pentium a bit difficult.

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Mon Oct 4 14:22:17 2021
    On 10/4/21 7:14 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 05:47:44 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.
    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely
    dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)
    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new
    one would be 4.5v
    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to exit. F7 >> It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.
    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour. They
    were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.


    Ahhh the memories .. :-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_1000#/media/File:Tandy_1000_rl_1.jpg

    My first computer was the sleek little Tandy 1000 RSX < AMD 386 >.
    which cost me $ 700. < on sale > included keyboard, mouse, and
    a 13 inch rgb monitor. < ~ 1 mb ram 60 mb HD ? >
    I remember saving-up $ and nervously installing the math
    co-processor and extra RAM. < another ~ $ 200. >
    Tandy's DeskMate " op sys " was interesting.
    I think it was Win 3.1 otherwise.
    John T.




    $700 was cheap even for what you got.

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to philo on Mon Oct 4 17:02:37 2021
    On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:22:17 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 10/4/21 7:14 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 05:47:44 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away >>>from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been
    up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.
    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely
    dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)
    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new
    one would be 4.5v
    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to exit. F7
    It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.
    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour. They
    were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.


    Ahhh the memories .. :-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_1000#/media/File:Tandy_1000_rl_1.jpg

    My first computer was the sleek little Tandy 1000 RSX < AMD 386 >.
    which cost me $ 700. < on sale > included keyboard, mouse, and
    a 13 inch rgb monitor. < ~ 1 mb ram 60 mb HD ? >
    I remember saving-up $ and nervously installing the math
    co-processor and extra RAM. < another ~ $ 200. >
    Tandy's DeskMate " op sys " was interesting.
    I think it was Win 3.1 otherwise.
    John T.



    $700 was cheap even for what you got.


    I forget the exact year, but 486's were coming on - becoming
    almost affordable & getting cheaper by-the-month it seemed -
    and I was intent on staying well under $ 1. grand.
    John T.

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  • From Bill Bradshaw@21:1/5 to philo on Tue Oct 5 08:48:30 2021
    philo wrote:
    On 10/4/21 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
    philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote on Mon, 4 Oct 2021:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get
    away from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic.
    It's been up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and
    it booted right up.

    Damn, where is my Intel 8088 MS-DOS system with 640 KB RAM, Hercules
    screen and two floppy drives and without modem and hard drive?

    Richard



    I am having fun diffing through my attic.

    I do have an IBM 8088 up there.

    Right now I'm working on a ps-1 486

    Damn cmos battery kept the right date!


    It had 2 megs of RAM that I now took up to 64 megs

    Label on the case says expandable to 64 megs and Pentium technology.

    486 is soldered in, upgrading to Pentium a bit difficult.

    Somewhere I have stored a Tandy 1200A with 10 Meg harddrive. My next
    computer was a 486 25Mhz Dx with a 100 Meg harddrive. I remember trying to figure out how I would ever use 100 Megs of storage space. When you figure
    in inflation these computers would probably cost at least $6,000 to $8,000
    in todays money. I believe the first IBM PC was about $3,100 in 1981 which would probably be about $12,000 in todays money.
    --
    <Bill>

    Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to Bill Bradshaw on Sat Oct 9 09:42:29 2021
    On 10/5/21 11:48 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
    philo wrote:
    On 10/4/21 11:57 AM, Richard wrote:
    philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote on Mon, 4 Oct 2021:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get
    away from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic.
    It's been up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and
    it booted right up.

    Damn, where is my Intel 8088 MS-DOS system with 640 KB RAM, Hercules
    screen and two floppy drives and without modem and hard drive?

    Richard



    I am having fun diffing through my attic.

    I do have an IBM 8088 up there.

    Right now I'm working on a ps-1 486

    Damn cmos battery kept the right date!


    It had 2 megs of RAM that I now took up to 64 megs

    Label on the case says expandable to 64 megs and Pentium technology.

    486 is soldered in, upgrading to Pentium a bit difficult.

    Somewhere I have stored a Tandy 1200A with 10 Meg harddrive. My next computer was a 486 25Mhz Dx with a 100 Meg harddrive. I remember trying to figure out how I would ever use 100 Megs of storage space. When you figure in inflation these computers would probably cost at least $6,000 to $8,000
    in todays money. I believe the first IBM PC was about $3,100 in 1981 which would probably be about $12,000 in todays money.


    Yep.

    I recall replacing the 850 meg HD in my Packard Bell P-1...with a 2Gb
    drive. Not kidding, I broke out into a cold sweat handling something
    that big.


    First time I booted up, I felt I was in in HUGE stadium with more room
    than I'd ever need.


    Just pulled a 386 out of the attic that was 100% dead,
    When I opened the case, first thing I noticed was the CPU was
    missing...or so I thought for about two seconds. It was the socket for
    the math co-processor.


    Since I have another 386, I'm going to toss the mobo on this.

    I have at least one of each:

    8088
    286
    386
    486 (three)
    P-1
    AMD-550 (two)



    I think my favorite is 486 IBM PS-2

    I recall how excited I was when I finally obtained an MCA net card.

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Sat Oct 9 12:09:38 2021
    On 10/4/21 4:02 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:22:17 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 10/4/21 7:14 AM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 05:47:44 -0500, philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

    I've been giving Win 11 a good testing and think I needed to get away
    from the 21st century so I pulled an NEC386 out of my attic. It's been >>>> up there 20 years and doggone it...Put it on my bench and it booted
    right up.
    It has one of those box type cmos batteries that was not completely
    dead...2v and the clock had only lost 15 years :)
    I actually had a spare battery for it, quite old but 3v. I think a new >>>> one would be 4.5v
    Anyway it had Word Perfect on it and I finally figured out how to exit. F7
    It has 2 megs of RAM, a 16mhz cpu and a 40 meg MFM drive.
    I sent a message to NEC and they actually replied withinthe hour. They >>>> were glad I liked the 386 and that the company is now only in Japan.


    Ahhh the memories .. :-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_1000#/media/File:Tandy_1000_rl_1.jpg >>>
    My first computer was the sleek little Tandy 1000 RSX < AMD 386 >.
    which cost me $ 700. < on sale > included keyboard, mouse, and
    a 13 inch rgb monitor. < ~ 1 mb ram 60 mb HD ? >
    I remember saving-up $ and nervously installing the math
    co-processor and extra RAM. < another ~ $ 200. >
    Tandy's DeskMate " op sys " was interesting.
    I think it was Win 3.1 otherwise.
    John T.



    $700 was cheap even for what you got.


    I forget the exact year, but 486's were coming on - becoming
    almost affordable & getting cheaper by-the-month it seemed -
    and I was intent on staying well under $ 1. grand.
    John T.




    Still recall my (now) wife getting a P-1 back in 1995

    The machine with monitor, printer and software such as MS Word was $1600
    > I thought she was nuts for spending that much money.


    When she got a new machine in 1999 she gave it to me and I splurged and
    spent $100 for a year of dial-up!

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