• HOW2 test HDMI cable?

    From Paul@21:1/5 to sGGg@gmail.com on Wed Feb 10 11:39:01 2021
    sGGg@gmail.com wrote:
    Years ago I used a HDMI cable from a RaspberyPi to the TV.
    Later I had a problem and suspected the HDMI cable.
    Now I want to revive the Rpi, but get no signal on the TV.
    How could the laptop [Win8.1 & linux] test/confirm the cable?
    TIA.


    At my local computer store, it's $8 CDN for a 3ft HDMI,
    and $9 CDN for a 6ft HDMI. Drive down and pick up at the door
    (can't go into store now).

    Picking up cables online, might be cheaper for the cable,
    but shipping will wipe out your saving. You'd need a
    shipping service you'd already paid for, to improve
    the economics.

    Nobody at retail, should really be giving you a break.
    You pay the bricks and mortar premium that way. But if I
    need it, I can get a known good cable about ten minutes
    from here.

    *******

    You test cables with an ohmmeter. Select pin one, touch
    the second ohmmeter probe to pin two, then pin three,
    each time verifying there is no short circuit. There would
    be a large number of tests required. That is, unless you
    know something of the orientation and internal
    construction of the cable, to rule out some of the
    possibilities.

    A "breakout connector", which is a connector with a
    patch panel PCB on the end, makes it easier to probe
    the individual wires, but without as much eye strain.

    On the other hand, you want to know that there is
    continuity. That pin one on one end, joins to pin one
    on the other end. Some testing jigs, what they do, is
    they put the wires in series, by means of a wiring
    pattern on the female connectors on the test jig.

    ohm here ===> 1-----12-----23-----3 <=== ohm here

    This is a quick way of verifying all N wires, by putting
    the N wires in series with one another. If the ohmmeter
    reads zero ohms at the two "test points", the cable has
    continuity.

    But that doesn't cover incidental short circuits. That's
    what the other test was for, for detecting whether pin one
    is shorted to pin two or not.

    You might be able to damage an HDMI output on a computer,
    if some driver pads got shorted to the +5V on the cable.
    Graphics cables sometimes have power on them to run
    the EDID EEPROM in the peripheral end. And the common
    mode voltage range of the color guns, is not wide enough
    to handle a short to +5V. Now, I doubt something
    like this has happened, and you probably need to
    select the port on the TV to see the signal.

    If the cable has visible damage, if the foil around it
    is damaged, the cable has been bent and kinked (which crushes
    the dielectric plastic), these are not good things, and
    could cause a signal failure.

    The signal propagates as differential pairs, a (+) wire
    and a (-) wire. The signal on one wire in the pair
    "moves in the opposite direction" of the other signal.
    This gives, in effect, twice the amplitude at the
    receiving end, but gives the unenviable task of the
    receiver converting the waveform to digital 1's and 0's
    at gigabits per second rates. Now, at the end of the cable,
    is a flyby termination.

    RX-
    |
    -------------+-----X
    100 ohm resistor
    -------------+-----X
    |
    RX+

    The resistor does two things. It prevents reflections of the signal
    off the right hand side of that picture, being sent back at the
    transmitter well off on the left hand side of that diagram.

    But the termination can also be "sensed". The transmitter knows
    whether a TV is connected. It only agrees to put a signal
    on the cable, if the 100 ohm load can be seen electrically.

    In the Display control panel of the computer (Windows laptop),
    you would check and see if a "second monitor" is visible in
    the control panel. The graphics have Mirror, Span, and
    other options. You don't want Mirror, because if the
    laptop panel is 1368x768, the TV may not like that as an
    input signal. If you Span two monitors, the first one
    is allowed to be 1368x768 while the other one declares itself
    as 1920x1080. Then you can test via looking at the TV
    set for that new signal.

    Span +------------+
    | TV as a |
    +--------+| monitor |
    | Laptop || |
    | Panel || |
    +--------++------------+
    1 2

    Generally speaking, all the 100 ohm loads would have
    to be open circuit, to stop the laptop from thinking
    a display was present. But the laptop also reads the
    EDID EEPROM in the TV set, and if that connection was
    not there, then the output resolution choice might be
    1024x768, instead of 1920x1080, and you'd have a hint
    the laptop is not seeing all the info it needs to work
    good.

    You can get some subtle hints, when the laptop only
    offers 1024x768 on its end, and the TV screen remains
    black. Perhaps a signal is not being sent, because
    the laptop is not happy, or a signal is being sent and
    the TV set is "all in a huff" because the food being
    served to it, is not to its liking.

    HTH,
    Paul

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  • From sGGg@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 10 12:15:21 2021
    Years ago I used a HDMI cable from a RaspberyPi to the TV.
    Later I had a problem and suspected the HDMI cable.
    Now I want to revive the Rpi, but get no signal on the TV.
    How could the laptop [Win8.1 & linux] test/confirm the cable?
    TIA.

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  • From wasbit@21:1/5 to sGGg@gmail.com on Thu Feb 11 10:01:09 2021
    <sGGg@gmail.com> wrote in message news:s00iop$1b62$1@gioia.aioe.org...
    Years ago I used a HDMI cable from a RaspberyPi to the TV.
    Later I had a problem and suspected the HDMI cable.
    Now I want to revive the Rpi, but get no signal on the TV.
    How could the laptop [Win8.1 & linux] test/confirm the cable?
    TIA.

    If you are in the UK, any of the £1 shops.

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    Regards
    wasbit

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