Interesting development for anyone who got
suckered into renting Adobe software. The next
update, according to a blog post, will apparently
only run on Win10 greater than v. 1607:
https://theblog.adobe.com/upcoming-changes-to-creative-cloud-os-support-for-wi
ndows-and-mac/
In other words, you can keep renting. You just
won't get any of the new features you're paying for.
And if you quit then don't forget to first back
up all your work locally from that famous "free"
cloud storage, or you'll lose it.
Users that store their work files
solely in anyone's cloud will eventually learn the errors of their ways.
the difference is that a cloud service will have multiple redundant
copies in their data centers with multiple redundant data centers.
while not impossible (nothing is 100%), the chances that all copies in
all data centers are destroyed and the service itself disappears
without a trace is much less than the chance of your single hard drive failing, or destroyed to fire or flood, or stolen.
Do you not remember what happened to Megaupload?
Neil pretty much says that
anyone who doesn't go out now to buy Win10 and rent
PS CC is a non-pro loser. :)
Come to think of it, no one did say they find it more
economical.
"Neil" <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote
| > It won't surprise them that they no longer get
| > what they're paying for? Getting regular updates
| > is pretty much the only reason for rental software.
| >
| They are *not* paying for the _new features_ of software versions
| incompatible with their computers.
|
They will have to continue to pay the rental fee
if they want to keep using it. But they won't get
the new features. Yes. You don't get it?
nope. it's under *your* control. you can upload/download at any time,
for any reason.
it's possible that internet access might be interrupted, however, it's
also possible (and more likely) than the local hard drive fails or is
damaged due to fire/flood/etc.
One thing I remember from years ago, is to have at least TWO backups (on
different media). People often don't seem to know that anymore. You
could add an offsite backup (but be sure to consider the restore
process. You don't have a backup if you can't restore).
yep.
it's called the 3-2-1 rule: three copies, on two different mediums,
with one offsite.
that's a good starting point, however, the more valuable the data, the
more copies there should be.
nope. it's under *your* control. you can upload/download at any time,
for any reason.
That's a VERY special cloud server. You can download even when the
company went out of business last year and the server has been
disassembled for months, and the hard drives recycled.
When you rely on the "cloud" you lose control of your data. You don't
know where it is being kept, how it is being backed up, how many
copies there are, where it will be copied to, who will have access to
it under what conditions, or even if you will have access to it at
any specific point in the future. I'm just not willing to trust
Microsoft, Google, etc. with my stuff.
The so-called "cloud" is really marketing babble for a return to the
way we did computing 40-50 years ago, where you had terminals accessing >remote servers where data and applications were actually stored.
On 9/1/2018 9:34 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
When you rely on the "cloud" you lose control of your data. You don't
know where it is being kept, how it is being backed up, how many
copies there are, where it will be copied to, who will have access to
it under what conditions, or even if you will have access to it at
any specific point in the future. I'm just not willing to trust
Microsoft, Google, etc. with my stuff.
I use the cloud (Google Drive) as a backup for my local files. That way
if I lose them in some calamity (such as a house fire) they can be
replaced. And likewise in the unlikely event that the cloud fails I
still have my local files. I also encrypt my sensitive files in case
some Google employee should decide to pick me out of the other hundreds
of millions of customers to spy on...
no it definitely isn't a return to that. you obviously don't understand
what the cloud means or offers.
nonsense. users have full control of their data and can access it at
any time, they know exactly where it's being kept (the cloud service)
only because you don't understand what it is and how it works.
Apple is arguably today's AOL. They sell pre-digested computing at
steep prices to people who want convenience.
If you have an iPhone it's all backed up by Apple.
You don't have to think about it. For the average Apple fan
doesn't even properly understand the idea of a file system, what's
not to like?
They pay a thousand bucks for a phone, but they get a shiny,
futuristic gizmo that does 100 things and they don't have to
understand *anything*.
All Hail Lord Jobs. Who do I make the check out to?
In article <pmcuif$h95$1@dont-email.me>, B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com>
wrote:
And if you quit then don't forget to first back
up all your work locally from that famous "free"
cloud storage, or you'll lose it.
Never really understood that.
that much is clear, nor does the person to whom you're responding.
in fact, you can disconnect from the internet and continue to edit
photos, create brochures, etc. it does need to ping adobe every 30-90
days to verify payment, but that's it.
nothing is lost if you stop paying, other than not being able to use
the apps you are no longer paying for. however, some apps will still
work without payment, but with some features disabled.
numerous non-adobe apps can read adobe's files, so there is no lock-in,
or just export them to another format.
If I want cloud storage I will want it for
all files, e.g. not only for Adobe-edited pictures, so why the hell
would I want to use Creative Cloud Storage?
because creative cloud apps running on multiple devices and platforms
and with multiple users can work seamlessly with adobe's cloud.
nothing prevents you from using other cloud services, but you may lose
some functionality if you do. also, nothing prevents you from using
more than one cloud service either, or none at all.
cc is targeted at pro users, which you say you are not.
photoshop elements, the consumer version of photoshop, typically about
$50 or so street price and a one-time purchase, is more than enough for casual use. the features it lacks compared to the full photoshop isn't anything most non-pros will miss (or even know what they're for). it's
also often bundled with hardware, making it free (assuming you want
said hardware).
some non-pros may choose the full photoshop and some pros might choose elements, while some might choose something else entirely.
nothing is perfect for everyone's needs.
In article <pmnhdd$la6$1@dont-email.me>, B00ze <B00ze64@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I'm not sure why they are not more flexible, it's certain they make
enough money to support multiple OS versions,
a major reason is because the functionality that they want to offer
that takes full advantage of modern hardware requires something more
recent than win7/8.
another reason is that the majority of cc customers no longer use
win7/8, so there's very little impact in dropping support for it.
meanwhile, photoshop elements 2018 supports as far back as win7 sp1: <https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop-elements/system-requirements.html>
but you have to admit, it
is HARD to get Win10 to stay put - most people WILL be running the
latest Win10 whether they want to or not...
that part is very true.
I doubt Adobe *really*
needs Win10-specific functionality for image editing.
You know that Photoshop CS2 is available "free", right ?[]
("Free" in the "What were they thinking" sense.)
When Adobe shut down the license server for CS2, they put
copies of the software on a server, plus special license keys to activate it. >The activation server might have shut down Mar2013, on
software issued in 2008, making the software perhaps
ten years old today.
https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4948-adobe-creative-suite-free.html[]
Back when the Adobe server was running, I got this.
PhSp_CS2_English__photoshop_CS2_1045-1412-5685-1654-6343-1431.exe
356,583,291 bytes
SHA1: 1EDFD80947F4A89A0D80C94AB7CAF3C2BE7224C5
Using the SHA1 in a search, I got this link.
Verify the size and hash.
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/magic/creativesuite/CS2_EOL/PHSP/PhS >p_CS2_English.exe
On 9/6/2018 10:53 PM, B00ze wrote:
On 2018-09-05 22:38, Neil <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:One would have to know PostScript and the PDF format to know the actual problem. On one hand, these have always been standards published by
On 9/5/2018 10:04 PM, B00ze wrote:
I've had that, where PDF's don't load - the last one was: This
document is using a Korean encoding and I don't support that (Acrobat
PRO was not complaining, but Reader refused to render the document.)
However, my client being a very large organization, we also get issues
with all the various PDF Plugins (in Office or in IE) and these break
the minute a new Office is released. The latest bug with Acrobat
Reader is the cursor - for some reason we do not yet understand, it is
sometimes a black square instead of an arrow when the mouse is inside
the Acrobat windows. And forget about decent error messages - That one
with the "Korean Encoding" is most likely NOT the real issue...
Adobe. On the other, most users are not programmers. Documents with bad
PDF code are not rare, though, and they can lead to a number of odd
reactions by Acrobat. I've never seen a "black square" replacing the
cursor, so I don't know what the cause may be there other than saying
that cursor styles are typically OS functions and I don't see any access
to cursor styles in Acrobat.
I don't find Element's UI to be all that informative about PS. Both useAs for Elements, it is capable of more than most casual users need.
However, there are other apps in the same price range as Elements that
have the capabilities of the full version of Photoshop, but with very
different user interfaces.
My interface of choice was Brilliance, but it was never ported to PC.
Besides, the goal of getting Elements is to learn the PS UI ;-)
a fairly standard menu structure, but the feature sets are different
enough that only a small number of items will have the same menu
locations in both apps.
If you prefer, it's to understand how PS and Layers work. Hopefully they work the same in both programs. I'm pretty sure the extra features of
full PhotoShop are too much for me.
Photoshop has layers.
GIMP has layers.
On 11 Sep 2018, Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote in alt.windows7.general:
I still use PSP 7.01 as me Main graphics program, It still works
on Windows 10 and does everything I need, Gotta love it.
My go-to image editor was Paint Shop Pro 9.01. But when I migrated from
my old XP clunker to this new fancy-schmancy Win7-64 computer earlier
this year I found that that version of PSP doesn't work. It must be the 64-bitness of it, because it does work on a Win7-32 computer here. So
for now I have it installed in an XP Virtualbox. It's quite
inconvenient. Maybe I'll dig out my old PSP7 discs and give it a try -
that version did most of what I need. I hope they're not floppies!
My PSP 7 is on a single CD.
That shouldn't matter. I wonder if there might just
be some minor glitch. Maybe I'll try setting up
PSP5 on my Win7-64 box and see what happens.
Sometimes older software is made with bad assumptions.
Example: We were talking about this recently somewhere.
Visual Studio 6 works fine on Win7, but it assumes msjava.dll
is present because MS had their own version of Java
back then and I think there was a J++ part to VS. The
fix: Create a dummy, 0-byte file in System named
msjava.dll. :)
There will be some aspects that don't work, though.
For instance PSP5 has TWAIN drivers to import scans.
But most scanners now Microsoft's built-in WIA system.
My current HP printer works that way. Somehow the
TWAIN import started working, but at first I couldn't
get it to connect. (The WIA works OK, but it won't
connect to PSP because PSP5 is too old to recognize
it. Instead I have to use the somewhat daffy HP
utility that wants me to save a JPG or PDF file, as
though it's assuming I want an email attachment
from the scan.)
"Neil" <neil@myplaceofwork.com> wrote
| >
| > | > Adobe's wildly overpriced products only survive for the same
| > | > reason MS Office does: Monopoly incompatibility and
| > | > a handful of specialized functions desired by people who
| > | > work with it all day. A secretary needs MS Office. A
| > | > fashion photographer needs Photoshop. Then there are
| > | > all the suckers who fork out $500 because they heard
| > | > those are the only programs to buy.
| > | >
| > | So... in your opinion, people who are secretaries or photographers
| > | should buy programs they don't know because...?
| > |
| >
| > Where'd you get that? I said just the opposite.
| >
| I thought it would be clear from my statement that they *buy programs*,
| which is not typically required of them for work. More than likely,
| they'll buy the programs they know.
|
You're making it complicated. All I was saying was that
with a secretary or graphic artist who works all day with the
software, it might make sense to buy MS Office or PS.
But that's not true for most of the people who buy
those things. They're paying far too much for functionality
they won't use -- or that they can get much cheaper --
just because they asked around and heard MS Office
or PS is the official program to get.
| > And since when are adult ed courses to teach
| > professional skills?
| >
| Around here, that's quite common. Many of the educational ads on TV are
| from community colleges offering degrees to those with a 4-year degree
| in an area that they can't find employment.
|
No. I wasn't referring to evening classes. I said adult ed.
Adult ed means courses for people who are not in school,
typically held evenings. The adult ed classes I've seen
have never offered accredidation. For instance, the local
high school in my town offers classes.
| > Menus on Windows tend to be similar. If you
| > know Edit -> Select All in one program then you
| > know it for all programs.
| >
| You hang around a different bunch of folks than I do, as I know of none
| that are unaware of such matters.
|
Why doesn't that surprise me? Do you know
any people who go outdoors or eat fresh food?
Most of the people I know haven't noticed those
details.
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