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    From Frank Slootweg@21:1/5 to freddygolightly on Fri Oct 16 13:55:20 2020
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    [Added: alt.comp.os.windows-8]

    freddygolightly <freddygolightly@gmail.com> wrote:
    First big Thanks to all the responders to my previous post.

    In considering reinstalling win8.1, I did a search on classic shell and
    also on open shell. Apparently open shell is just a new name for classic shell.

    I found a number of complaints about bugs but most seemed more happy
    with classic shell. The other problem is how the programs are partially disabled if you disable Cortana-a major vector for win10 spying (isn't
    this the one MS uses for keylogging?)

    I don't understand this part. What does Cortana have to do with
    Windows 8.1? Cortana is not supplied/supported on Windows 8.1.

    I guess I am wondering how close these programs will mimic the windows 7 experience. I want to be able to search from the taskbar for programs on
    disk mostly. Also in the brief time I used 8.1 a number of
    administrative win program were listed nowhere that I could see. For
    example I used to enter add and get the add/remove menu to get rid of programs I did not want.

    With Classic/Open Start Menu, you will have full access to all menus
    which you're used to in Windows 7, including Control Panel (which has
    'Programs and Features' with the 'Uninstall or change a program' menu
    you want (and 'Turn Windows features on or off', if that's what you mean
    by 'add'). Classic Start Menu even has a specific 'Windows 7 style' for
    the start menu (I assume Open Start Menu ahas that as well).

    I really hate the large tiles and will delete most of the crapware that
    comes with 8.1. I don't like using MS products. I am forced to use their
    OS until I learn linux. I want nothing to do with MS, I consider them an
    evil company.

    With Classic/Open Start Menu you won't see the 'large tiles', i.e. the Metro/Modern/UWP/<whatever> apps, unless you want to.

    FWIW, I never see any 'large tiles', except for one exception, which
    is the 'Add a Bluetooth Device' and 'Show Bluetooth Devices' choices in
    the 'Bluetooth Devices' Taskbar item. For some reason, in 8.1 these two
    choices are no longer handled by the normal Control Panel. But even
    that, I only see when I want to add/delete a Bluetooth device.

    So to me, 8.1 looks the same as (NT, 2000,) XP and Vista and for you
    it would look the same as 7.

    Thanks for your input.

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  • From freddygolightly@21:1/5 to Frank Slootweg on Fri Oct 16 22:47:25 2020
    XPost: alt.windows7.general

    Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote in news:rmcfoo.7qg.1@ID- 201911.user.individual.net:

    [Added: alt.comp.os.windows-8]

    freddygolightly <freddygolightly@gmail.com> wrote:
    First big Thanks to all the responders to my previous post.

    In considering reinstalling win8.1, I did a search on classic shell
    and
    also on open shell. Apparently open shell is just a new name for
    classic
    shell.

    I found a number of complaints about bugs but most seemed more happy
    with classic shell. The other problem is how the programs are
    partially
    disabled if you disable Cortana-a major vector for win10 spying
    (isn't
    this the one MS uses for keylogging?)

    I don't understand this part. What does Cortana have to do with
    Windows 8.1? Cortana is not supplied/supported on Windows 8.1.

    Sorry for the confusion. I meant to say I am thinking about installing
    win10 ALSO. I may run dual boot 8.1 and win10. For win10 Cortana should
    be disabled to reduce MS spying.


    I guess I am wondering how close these programs will mimic the
    windows 7
    experience. I want to be able to search from the taskbar for programs
    on
    disk mostly. Also in the brief time I used 8.1 a number of
    administrative win program were listed nowhere that I could see. For
    example I used to enter add and get the add/remove menu to get rid of
    programs I did not want.

    With Classic/Open Start Menu, you will have full access to all menus
    which you're used to in Windows 7, including Control Panel (which has 'Programs and Features' with the 'Uninstall or change a program' menu
    you want (and 'Turn Windows features on or off', if that's what you
    mean
    by 'add'). Classic Start Menu even has a specific 'Windows 7 style'
    for
    the start menu (I assume Open Start Menu ahas that as well).

    I really hate the large tiles and will delete most of the crapware
    that
    comes with 8.1. I don't like using MS products. I am forced to use
    their
    OS until I learn linux. I want nothing to do with MS, I consider them
    an
    evil company.

    With Classic/Open Start Menu you won't see the 'large tiles', i.e.
    the
    Metro/Modern/UWP/<whatever> apps, unless you want to.

    FWIW, I never see any 'large tiles', except for one exception, which
    is the 'Add a Bluetooth Device' and 'Show Bluetooth Devices' choices
    in
    the 'Bluetooth Devices' Taskbar item. For some reason, in 8.1 these
    two
    choices are no longer handled by the normal Control Panel. But even
    that, I only see when I want to add/delete a Bluetooth device.

    So to me, 8.1 looks the same as (NT, 2000,) XP and Vista and for you
    it would look the same as 7.

    Thanks for your input.


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)