I'm playing belated catch-up on the thread in FSX_NET regards a politics echo. Have been posting replies and thanks to all who have contributed.
I'm playing belated catch-up on the thread in FSX_NET regards a politics
Haven't see that, but I rarely look into other areas. I reckon its good where it is.. the only issue is when there's poisonous division in the ranks, usually the US guys, as one eyed as pirates, and mad as cut snakes about it for some reason.
Actuall, most of us barely care to discuss politics. People outside the US (on these boards usually Aus/NZ and Europeans) are way more dickish about US politics than we are.
I'm playing belated catch-up on the thread in FSX_NET regards a polit
Haven't see that, but I rarely look into other areas. I reckon its good where it is.. the only issue is when there's poisonous division in the
You keep moving stuff out of general pretty soon it'll be generally nothing.
Avon wrote to Spectre <=-
You keep moving stuff out of general pretty soon it'll be generally nothing.
This comment really struck a chord with me as I am wondering if
there are now just too many echos in fsxNet?
In any regard it's probably worth having a look at some of the
echos launched almost 12 months ago (25 May 2021) and considering
as The Clash say 'should they stay or should they go?' :)
Haven't see that, but I rarely look into other areas. I reckon its
My best suggestion is ensure you're linked to the available echos else you may well be missing out on something you want to read :)
This comment really struck a chord with me as I am wondering if there are now just too many echos in fsxNet? There's always a mix of levels of activity in the echos and to me it's quieter now than say a year ago but
Shrug, squeaky wheel gets the kick as Minsc says I suppose. But like
here, one would imagine there's a good sized middle ground somewhere
that we're not acquainted with. I can't speak for the europeans or New Zealanders, but I think most Aussies aside from the peanuts that want to run for office find most poli's to be complete flogs.
Politics like Churches tend to attract the wrong kinds of people to themselves for petty self agrandizement reasons.
Spec
Haven't see that, but I rarely look into other areas. I reckon its
My best suggestion is ensure you're linked to the available echos els may well be missing out on something you want to read :)
I don't have the... want, will... interest to poke through all the other echoes. I'm a far bigger fan of jamming as much as possible into
general. If it doesn't warrant a run here... is it really a thing?
This comment really struck a chord with me as I am wondering if there now just too many echos in fsxNet? There's always a mix of levels of activity in the echos and to me it's quieter now than say a year ago
I'm inclined to think there are... I'm not sure where some of the ideas for some of the echoes came from.. Most got a good kick off but many
have either pretty much ceased altogether or are deadly quiet. Even the odd old one like crypto, I've never seen a message in there...
The problem with politics is really ideology, not politics itself. We have strong ideologies, and it is this which causes the crapfest. One person believes in this notion, another in that. I don't think historically that has been the case for politics. Such thinking tended to remain in the religious sphere, but politics and socials ideals have become the new religions.
Yeah nah, or not quite... There was a time, that politics and religion were tied at the hip here. 40s and 50s maybe, somewhere in there... We
had a majority christian population and as a result they had a lot of
pull in the political sphere also. At its heart a lot of religion is
also politics like any largish body. This also seems to lend itself to
one form bleeding into the other.
At this point we have a far more diverse population, and the traditional churches have dropped off in influence. The ones that remain tend to
come off as the lunatic fringe rather than anyone you can take seriously.
Not sure politics have become the new religion, in fact I'd go do far as to say its in decline rather than any kind of improved position, rather the way religion has gone. To my mind, its like they had their crack at things for a long time, to do it pretty much esxclusive of any other serious minority. But with the change in demographics their exclusive
days are done. Far more divergent people, far more religions... can we
get Jedi in there again? So we've diluted the religious pool, diluted
the political pool too, the "new comers" don't appear to identify with either main party as much as they used to.
Spec
Faith based belief still influences politics heavily, it is just this faith based belief is not considered to be a religion. I won't go much further, let this become a "political" discussion, but things today are still heavily influenced by other ideals. They just aren't coming from the church anymore, but a different type of "church".
In any regard it's probably worth having a look at some of the echos launched almost 12 months ago (25 May 2021) and considering as The Clash say 'should they stay or should they go?' :)
... I can't speak for the europeans or New Zealanders, but
I think most Aussies aside from the peanuts that want to
run for office find most poli's to be complete flogs.
Politics like Churches tend to attract the wrong kinds of
people to themselves for petty self agrandizement reasons.
Apparently a career in politics can be financially rewarding. In Canada, one only needs to be "in office" for a minimum of 3
consecutive years and the person gets a life-long pension that
could rival the average slog who toils all their life for one.
Boggle, thats about as obscure as you can get, and I have no idea who
the new religion might be... Buddhists? Shrug... I s'pose we've got the temple of mammon in every pub these days.. On the other hand it could be something I'm not across at all.. I am intrigued though.
Spec
In any regard it's probably worth having a look at some of the echos launched almost 12 months ago (25 May 2021) and considering as The Cl say 'should they stay or should they go?' :)
While I don't think there's too many here, or in most of the othernets
out there, you definitely don't need an echomail report to see which
areas are used and which ones aren't. From what I've seen, getting too specific seems to draw people away from those and back into the general echos.
That said, you could always use Fidonet as a prime example, with
probably well over 200 echos (depending on who you link with) and only maybe 20 used by actual people and not robots. ;)
Regards,
Nick
Faith based belief still influences politics heavily, it is just this faith based belief is not considered to be a religion. I won't go much further, let this become a "political" discussion, but things today are still heavily influenced by other ideals. They just aren't coming from the church anymore, but a different type of "church".
Boggle, thats about as obscure as you can get, and I have no idea who the ne religion might be... Buddhists? Shrug... I s'pose we've got the temple of mammon in every pub these days.. On the other hand it could be something I'm not across at all.. I am intrigued though.
Spec
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I always thought the deal with Fidonet was that you would subscribe to
the Echo's you were interested in, and each one of those was its own 'community'.
But with few users now, its the same people across the echos and going
to all these different rooms to talk to the same people makes less sense.
The thing is DoveNet also has a "debate" and "entertainment" echo, so if
I want to start a debate or talk about a movie, do I go to DoveNet or fsxNet or FidoNet?
I used to joke that one of the defining traits of a
Spaniard is that he voted for party X because his father
voted for party X, and his father before him, and his
father before him, and that he is not going to stop voting
for party X just because party X is running his village to
the ground.
The other defining trait of being a Spaniard is being
unenployed XD
I used to joke that one of the defining traits of a Spaniard is that he voted for party X because his father voted for party X, and his
father before him, and his father before him, and that he is not
going to stop voting for party X just because party X is running
his village to the ground.
I dont think a politics echo would be healthy. I have a new perspective right now. Mixed communities should not have a politics echo because not all of us are from the same political tribe.
Politics is severely divisive. I do not want to dip in the pool when it
comes to political discussions on discord servers when the community is not explicitly about politics. It just kills unity.
I know we have different perspectives, but the goal should be try to unify us as best we can.
I was referring to Political Correctness/Progressivism, but didn't want to venture into politics. We still have social mores and morals which one might be considered some type of "heretic" for not following,
and major political issues are strongly shaped by them.
Boggle, thats about as obscure as you can get, and I have no idea who t religion might be... Buddhists? Shrug... I s'pose we've got the temple mammon in every pub these days.. On the other hand it could be somethin not across at all.. I am intrigued though.
Spec
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Actually, what boraxman means is that people chooses one set of political stances as theirs and defends those beyond rationality. Much like
football hooligans.
I used to joke that one of the defining traits of a Spaniard is that he voted for party X because his father voted for party X, and his father before him, and his father before him, and that he is not going to stop voting for party X just because party X is running his village to the ground.
The other defining trait of being a Spaniard is being unenployed XD
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I dont think a politics echo would be healthy. I have a new perspective now. Mixed communities should not have a politics echo because not all o are from the same political tribe.
It not politics that kills unity. People kill unity. The trouble arises when someone wants to be "right" when there isn't a "right". There are different views and different ways of looking at and examining things.
I s'pose this is a little like splitting hairs... but the wacky woke people, and poisonous politically correct is more like the new
evangelism than religon. They're pushing that agenda hard, but there's a lot more diversity in the groups that do it. I feel the major problem with them is that their happy to persecute publicly anyone that doesn't agree with them. In some ways they seem to have also picked up from the old political arguments, socialism vs capitalism, neo-nazi types...
giving those so inclined something to "believe" in and push the barrow giving them something to fill their time with and feel self important about.
Spec
Apparently a career in politics can be financially rewarding.
In Canada, one only needs to be "in office" for a minimum of 3
consecutive years and the person gets a life-long pension that
could rival the average slog who toils all their life for one.
It is evangelism, but that how new religions spread. A new moral order,
a new way of framing things to overturn the corrupt older one. The promise of salvation, of a better world. Cleansing the world of old
sins. Shunning the heretics, who obviously don't believe because they
are corrupt of soul. Getting people to renunciate their heresies.
Ogg wrote to Spectre <=-
Apparently a career in politics can be financially rewarding.
In Canada, one only needs to be "in office" for a minimum of 3
consecutive years and the person gets a life-long pension that
could rival the average slog who toils all their life for one.
boraxman wrote to Accession <=-
I always thought the deal with Fidonet was that you would subscribe to
the Echo's you were interested in, and each one of those was its own 'community'.
I always thought the deal with Fidonet was that you would subscribe t the Echo's you were interested in, and each one of those was its own 'community'.
That was true, while people cruised all of the echo like they do
now, there were some people who just read an echo or two - keeping in
mind that the message traffic was torrential compared to now. You
could spend all day keeping up with a couple of echoes.
boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Was there a lot of spam?
While I don't think there's too many here, or in most of the othernets
out there, you definitely don't need an echomail report to see which
areas are used and which ones aren't. From what I've seen, getting too specific seems to draw people away from those and back into the general echos.
That said, you could always use Fidonet as a prime example, with
probably well over 200 echos (depending on who you link with) and only maybe 20 used by actual people and not robots. ;)
Thanks for the reply, nice to see you active Nick :)
I'm usually around somewhere, just don't always write messages. :)
Yeah, we're pretty sceptical about pollies. One thing I like about Australia is we don't do those big political rallies with flags and allOne thing great about the Westminster type systems, is the elections are quick. Our politics in America is more like a major league baseball season. I would like the elections condensed to more of a 6 month process than a 18 month saga.
that hoo-ha like the Americans do. You won't see crowds cheering anyone
at a political rally. We're far more sedate about such things.
Yeah, we're pretty sceptical about pollies. One thing I like about Australia is we don't do those big political rallies with flags and all that hoo-ha like the Americans do. You won't see crowds cheering anyon at a political rally. We're far more sedate about such things.One thing great about the Westminster type systems, is the elections are quick. Our politics in America is more like a major league baseball season. I would like the elections condensed to more of a 6 month
process than a 18 month saga.
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Oh yes, they can be quite quick. The election is called (they aren't at fixed times), and we have some annoying TV ads for several weeks, and thats it. We usually find out within a day or two who has one an thats
Oh yes, they can be quite quick. The election is called (they aren't fixed times), and we have some annoying TV ads for several weeks, and thats it. We usually find out within a day or two who has one an tha
Ahh kinda, we do have 3 year terms... but they can call an election any time they feel like having one.. usually it'll be between 2-3 years depending on how the opinion polls are travelling. I don't recall how
far in advance they can announce one, and they can then advertise until the last week? But we do tend to get it all over and done with pretty quickly as you've mentioned.
What I'd like to see, is not only the breakdown of valid votes, but how many votes for the Donkey went down at this election.
Spec
Oh yes, they can be quite quick. The election is called (they aren't
at fixed times), and we have some annoying TV ads for several weeks,
and thats it. We usually find out within a day or two who has one an thats it. We had the election Saturday, and by Saturday night it was clear who had won.
I think I preferred the early days computer evangelism.
Mac vs PC or *nix vs Windows? :)
I think I preferred the early days computer evangelism.
Mac vs PC or *nix vs Windows? :)
I think I preferred the early days computer evangelism.
Mac vs PC or *nix vs Windows? :)
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DR DOS vs MS DOS
Lotus 123 vs Excel
Sound Blaster vs Gravis Ultrasound
I think I preferred the early days computer evangelism.
Mac vs PC or *nix vs Windows? :)
vi(m) vs. emacs!
vi(m) vs. emacs!vs Joe for those with semi-proficiency in antique wordstar
commands. :)
acn wrote to Geri Atricks <=-
OS/2 vs. Windows!
NetWare vs. WinNT!
Spectre wrote to acn <=-
vi(m) vs. emacs!
vs Joe for those with semi-proficiency in antique wordstar commands. :)
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Spectre <=-
vs Joe for those with semi-proficiency in antique wordstar commands. :)
Joe uses Crtl-K bindings? Cool! I still use Qedit and VDE in
DOSBOX for my BBSing, good to know I may have some path forward
on Linux.
OS/2 vs. Windows!
NetWare vs. WinNT!
Oh, those two arguments got so much activity in the 90s. I was a OS/2- Netware guy, so I'm 0 for 2.
Joe uses Crtl-K bindings? Cool! I still use Qedit and VDE in DOSBOX for my BBSing, good to know I may have some path forward on Linux.
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