• fsxNet NET 1 Planned Outage - Please Read

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Tue Jun 20 21:00:39 2023
    Hi guys

    This week I am changing ISP and with it the static IP's I use (both IPv4 and IPv6) will be changing. To what at this stage I do not know.

    The switch over is planned for this Thursday 22 June (New Zealand local time) and may well lead to some connectivity issues across that day while I get connected up, suss the new IPv4/IPv6 details, update DNS records etc.

    the 21:1/100 NET 1 HUB, 21:1/10 Usenet+Games HUB, Agency BBS will all be impacted, also impacted will be the Agency News server (news.bbs.nz).

    I expect to (all going well) get IPv4 connectivity sorted first but IPv6 may be messy for some days to come, so be warned and if need be get ready to fall back to IPv4 connections during this time.

    I'll post updates when able to but this serves as advance warning of the changes to service here in the coming 48 or so hours (as of the time of writing this).

    Why change? The ISP I use has hiked prices repeatedly over several years and I have found what I hope to be a much better deal.

    Best, Paul


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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Avon on Tue Jun 20 08:10:40 2023
    Thanks for the heads up!

    Why change? The ISP I use has hiked prices repeatedly over several years and I have found what I hope to be a much better deal.

    Same reason I finally got rid of Cable here in my area ($365/MO US - now that was cable channels, phone, and internet) for over 25+ years. Went with Fiber ($60/MO US and I stream anyways because my Cable DVR never seemed to work properly after all the Digital from Analog conversions).

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  • From Zip@21:1/202 to Avon on Tue Jun 20 16:00:50 2023
    Hello Avon!

    On 20 Jun 2023, Avon said the following...

    This week I am changing ISP and with it the static IP's I use (both IPv4 and IPv6) will be changing. To what at this stage I do not know.

    Thanks for the notice, and hoping the move goes well! =)

    Best regards
    Zip

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  • From ogg@21:2/147 to Avon on Tue Jun 20 10:33:03 2023
    Why change? The ISP I use has hiked prices repeatedly over several years and I have found what I hope to be a much better deal.


    I recently made the switch from cable to fiber due to price increases. My only recommendation is to verify what you paid for is what you get. I had to spend a few days with tech support to actually get the speed range I was paying for.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to SirRonmit on Tue Jun 20 08:52:22 2023
    Re: Re: fsxNet NET 1 Planned Outage - Please Read
    By: SirRonmit to Avon on Tue Jun 20 2023 08:10 am

    Same reason I finally got rid of Cable here in my area ($365/MO US - now that was cable channels, phone, and internet) for over 25+ years. Went

    I knew some cable plans were expensive, but $365/month is one of the most expensive I've ever heard of.. For that price, I'd expect it to be some of the best over-the-top service available, but it still seems ridiculous.

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 11:43:57 2023
    I knew some cable plans were expensive, but $365/month is one of the most expensive I've ever heard of.. For that price, I'd expect it to be some of the best over-the-top service available, but it still seems
    ridiculous.

    It was and think about allllll those years of paying (nothing else was available in our area and now we have 2 fiber companies on my street and the cable company went to the city council to complain - but they had a monopoly and the city backed all us tax payers.
    AND
    I had found out that alllllll these years, I thought I was paying for the 1G speeds but could only get 240bps on my game console downloads .. yeah! I wasn't paying for the 1G service, that would have been an additional $110+ per month.

    COX COMMUNICATIONS

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 11:45:41 2023
    forgot to note:

    all those FREE HD channels, weren't free. You had to pay for HD DVR (monthly) + Channel access + taxes and a lot of other items.

    I pretty much bought someone a nice home after all those years LOL

    AND they blocked eveverything. At least now I can have my ports back and run a firewall on my server in the basement.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to SirRonmit on Tue Jun 20 11:08:10 2023
    Re: Re: fsxNet NET 1 Planned Outage - Please Read
    By: SirRonmit to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 2023 11:43 am

    monopoly and the city backed all us tax payers. AND I had found out that alllllll these years, I thought I was paying for the 1G speeds but could only get 240bps on my game console downloads .. yeah! I wasn't paying for the 1G service, that would have been an additional $110+ per month.

    That's craptastic.. My ISP is fiber, and their gigabit service is $80/month.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to SirRonmit on Tue Jun 20 11:09:11 2023
    Re: Re: fsxNet NET 1 Planned Outage - Please Read
    By: SirRonmit to Nightfox on Tue Jun 20 2023 11:45 am

    all those FREE HD channels, weren't free. You had to pay for HD DVR (monthly) + Channel access + taxes and a lot of other items.

    :/
    I'm thankful for over-the-air TV and Plex with its DVR functionality.. I bought a Plex lifetime pass a few years ago when it was on sale for $80, and I like what it can do.

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  • From Apollo@21:1/236 to Avon on Tue Jun 20 21:23:18 2023
    Hi guys

    This week I am changing ISP and with it the static IP's I use (both
    IPv4 and IPv6) will be changing. To what at this stage I do not know.


    ...


    I expect to (all going well) get IPv4 connectivity sorted first but
    IPv6 may be messy for some days to come, so be warned and if need be
    get ready to fall back to IPv4 connections during this time.

    Ok, I'll batten down the hatches, and not panic when I get errors
    polling. :)


    Best, Paul

    Good luck,
    Apollo


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Apollo on Wed Jun 21 14:18:13 2023

    On 20 Jun 2023 at 09:23p, Apollo pondered and said...

    Ok, I'll batten down the hatches, and not panic when I get errors
    polling. :)

    Thanks :)

    I'm about 19 hours away from the start of the changes..

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  • From Codenut@21:4/107 to SirRonmit on Wed Jun 21 11:04:00 2023
    SirRonmit wrote to Nightfox <=-

    forgot to note:

    all those FREE HD channels, weren't free. You had to pay for HD DVR (monthly) + Channel access + taxes and a lot of other items.

    I pretty much bought someone a nice home after all those years LOL

    I have a solution to cable companies.

    "Cut the cable"

    I put a tv yagi up on my tower and I get CBC and CTV when I want it with no fees. It's called Free to Air.

    You will likely see tons of station if you are in an urban station.

    There is a satellite arc in the sky and you can point a dish any one of them

    The reciever can be as cheap as $60.00. Cable, the tool to put connnectors on $60.

    You also need dish (I use a starchoice one) and a test set, $80.00. (Gtmedia.com)

    www.lyngsat.com

    It took a lot of work to setup.

    Cheers,

    Alan

    AND they blocked everything. At least now I can have my ports back
    and run a firewall on my server in the basement.

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Codenut on Wed Jun 21 10:02:58 2023
    "Cut the cable"

    I was amazed at how many channels are on my new TV OtA .. plus the Digital Channels from my local TV stations as well!

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Codenut on Wed Jun 21 13:43:27 2023
    Re: Re: Cable rip offs
    By: Codenut to SirRonmit on Wed Jun 21 2023 11:04 am

    "Cut the cable"

    I put a tv yagi up on my tower and I get CBC and CTV when I want it with no fees. It's called Free to Air.

    I was wondering what a "TV yagi" was, and I looked it up, and it looks like a yagi antenna is a type of TV antenna.

    You will likely see tons of station if you are in an urban station.

    I live in an urban metro area, and I do get plenty of stations over the air. Sometimes it seems like some people have forgotten that over-the-air TV stations still exist and will pay for cable when they might not need to.

    With my TV watching habits, I'm fine with local broadcast channels. Some TV content I like to watch (local news, some game shows, etc.) are on broadcast TV.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Codenut on Wed Jun 21 19:27:00 2023
    Codenut wrote to SirRonmit <=-

    all those FREE HD channels, weren't free. You had to pay for HD DVR (monthly) + Channel access + taxes and a lot of other items.
    I pretty much bought someone a nice home after all those years LOL

    I have a solution to cable companies.
    "Cut the cable"

    Well, you likely still need the cable for internet access, if not TV.

    I put a tv yagi up on my tower and I get CBC and CTV when I want
    it with no fees. It's called Free to Air.

    You will likely see tons of station if you are in an urban
    station.

    Yeah, that works great for local broadcast/network stations (ABC, CBS, etc...).

    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or
    Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    There is a satellite arc in the sky and you can point a dish any
    one of them

    The reciever can be as cheap as $60.00. Cable, the tool to put
    connnectors on $60.

    I have a hard time believing this is a workable idea. Yeah, you can
    (maybe) pick up the satellite signal, but decoding it into a useable
    signal for a TV is another story. Would need a subscription to whatever service you're trying to hijack. I don't think this would work at all.



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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Gamgee on Wed Jun 21 18:04:37 2023
    Re: Re: Cable rip offs
    By: Gamgee to Codenut on Wed Jun 21 2023 07:27 pm

    You will likely see tons of station if you are in an urban station.

    Yeah, that works great for local broadcast/network stations (ABC, CBS, etc...).

    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    I know I'm probably rare, but I'm not aware of anything on Discovery, Peacock, NHL, Disney etc. that I want to watch. I haven't had anything more than basic cable in many years, and I currently don't even have a cable TV package. The things I like to watch are available on over-the-air TV or maybe a streaming service or online here & there, etc..

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Thu Jun 22 07:38:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

    You will likely see tons of station if you are in an urban station.

    Yeah, that works great for local broadcast/network stations (ABC, CBS, etc...).

    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    I know I'm probably rare, but I'm not aware of anything on
    Discovery, Peacock, NHL, Disney etc. that I want to watch. I
    haven't had anything more than basic cable in many years, and I
    currently don't even have a cable TV package. The things I like
    to watch are available on over-the-air TV or maybe a streaming
    service or online here & there, etc..

    I'd say you are indeed (quite) rare. I rarely watch anything on
    over-the-air network channels. As far as streaming services and online,
    yes, those can be good, but the original point of this was "cutting the cable", and..... without that, you're not doing much streaming.



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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Gamgee on Thu Jun 22 08:21:47 2023
    Well, you likely still need the cable for internet access, if not TV.

    You missed the part where we went with fiber :) shaved $300/month US off my bills.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Thu Jun 22 07:29:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to Codenut <=-

    I live in an urban metro area, and I do get plenty of stations over the air. Sometimes it seems like some people have forgotten that
    over-the-air TV stations still exist and will pay for cable when they might not need to.

    The picture over the air is better than the pixellated 720p that my
    cable company used to send over the cable.




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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Thu Jun 22 07:33:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to Codenut <=-

    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or
    Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    A consolidation is happening, Max now has a bunch of networks under it.
    The other thing I'm excited about is being able to have a channel for a
    couple of months, then pull it. Paramount+, for example. I'd like to
    have it when there's a Star Trek series on, cancel it otherwise. Ditto
    for my wife, she like English mysteries, and we alternate between
    BritBox and Acorn. See a new show we like, switch services, or
    subscribe for a couple of months. That level of flexibility will kill
    cable.




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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 22 09:13:57 2023
    Re: Re: Cable rip offs
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Jun 22 2023 07:29 am

    I live in an urban metro area, and I do get plenty of stations over the
    air. Sometimes it seems like some people have forgotten that
    over-the-air TV stations still exist and will pay for cable when they
    might not need to.

    The picture over the air is better than the pixellated 720p that my cable company used to send over the cable.

    In my area, there are a few over-the-air stations that broadcast in 1080p, but I think many of them broadcast in 720p. Some of it looks even lower than that - There are broadcast subchannels that show reruns of older shows & other things that look a bit more blurry, like it's from a DVD or VHS tape (perhaps they're still broadcasting 720p or 1080p but the source video isn't as good).

    Years ago, I had a basic cable TV package, and they gave me a small cable box to use with my TV. The cable box outputted a standard-definition square (4:3) image.. The 4:3 image bugged me because it cut off the sides of widescreen content rather than using black bars at the top & bottom. Also, I could tell the image quality wasn't as good as over-the-air digital broadcasts. At the time I wasn't sure my over-the-air reception would be very good, but once I realized I could indeed pick up a good number of broadcast stations, I called the cable company to ask them to cancel my basic TV and just keep internet, but they said my bill would increase. I find it odd that they do that.

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  • From Codenut@21:4/107 to SirRonmit on Thu Jun 22 15:09:00 2023
    SirRonmit wrote to Codenut <=-

    "Cut the cable"

    I was amazed at how many channels are on my new TV OtA .. plus the
    Digital Channels from my local TV stations as well!


    Yea you guys are luck.

    Some tv set top boxes have pvr's in them.

    ALano


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Codenut on Thu Jun 22 08:30:00 2023
    Hello Codenut!

    There is a satellite arc in the sky and you can point a dish any one of them

    The reciever can be as cheap as $60.00. Cable, the tool to put connnectors on $60.

    You also need dish (I use a starchoice one) and a test set, $80.00. (Gtmedia.com)

    www.lyngsat.com

    It took a lot of work to setup.

    Most of the C and Ku sats are scrambled. How do you handle
    that?


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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to SirRonmit on Thu Jun 22 18:48:00 2023
    SirRonmit wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Well, you likely still need the cable for internet access, if not TV.

    You missed the part where we went with fiber :) shaved
    $300/month US off my bills.

    Yup. OK.



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jun 22 18:51:00 2023
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or
    Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    A consolidation is happening, Max now has a bunch of networks
    under it.
    The other thing I'm excited about is being able to have a
    channel for a
    couple of months, then pull it. Paramount+, for example. I'd
    like to
    have it when there's a Star Trek series on, cancel it otherwise.
    Ditto
    for my wife, she like English mysteries, and we alternate
    between
    BritBox and Acorn. See a new show we like, switch services, or
    subscribe for a couple of months. That level of flexibility will
    kill
    cable.

    Yes, I can see that, and the attraction of it. Good points on the flexibility.

    One drawback of that system, at least for me, is the hassle factor of subscribing/unsubscribing, shuffling things around, tracking when the
    "free trial period" ends, and so on. Manageable, but irritating.



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  • From Mike Dippel@21:4/176 to GAMGEE on Thu Jun 22 23:51:50 2023
    On 6/22/2023 6:56 PM, Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:


    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    A consolidation is happening, Max now has a bunch of networks
    under it.
    The other thing I'm excited about is being able to have a
    channel for a
    couple of months, then pull it. Paramount+, for example. I'd
    like to
    have it when there's a Star Trek series on, cancel it otherwise.
    Ditto
    for my wife, she like English mysteries, and we alternate
    between
    BritBox and Acorn. See a new show we like, switch services, or
    subscribe for a couple of months. That level of flexibility will
    kill
    cable.

    Yes, I can see that, and the attraction of it. Good points on the flexibility.

    One drawback of that system, at least for me, is the hassle factor of subscribing/unsubscribing, shuffling things around, tracking when the
    "free trial period" ends, and so on. Manageable, but irritating.

    I really lucked out when it comes to cable. The development that I live in has a cloud
    DVR option. I can set the DVR to record programs and because they are in the cloud, I
    can travel and still view them as long as I have at least a 2mb wi-fi connection and a
    Roku device that allows me to access the Spectrum app.

    My wife and I just returned from a 5 week trip pin our motorhome, and we were able to
    watch everything that recorded, plus we could watch live broadcasts as well.

    This is a big plus for us. We used to have to subscribe to Dish network to see programs
    from our local area. Now I can do this at no extra cost from my cable company.

    Mike Dippel

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  • From esc@21:4/173 to Gamgee on Fri Jun 23 01:38:31 2023
    One drawback of that system, at least for me, is the hassle factor of subscribing/unsubscribing, shuffling things around, tracking when the "free trial period" ends, and so on. Manageable, but irritating.

    Also an economic construct that banks on people like me not paying attention to how many subscriptions I have. Ugh.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to esc on Fri Jun 23 07:31:00 2023
    esc wrote to Gamgee <=-

    One drawback of that system, at least for me, is the hassle factor of subscribing/unsubscribing, shuffling things around, tracking when the "free trial period" ends, and so on. Manageable, but irritating.

    Also an economic construct that banks on people like me not
    paying attention to how many subscriptions I have. Ugh.

    I think we might be related. ;-)



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  • From Codenut@21:4/107 to SirRonmit on Thu Jun 22 15:09:00 2023
    SirRonmit wrote to Codenut <=-

    "Cut the cable"

    I was amazed at how many channels are on my new TV OtA .. plus the
    Digital Channels from my local TV stations as well!


    Yea you guys are luck.

    Some tv set top boxes have pvr's in them.

    ALano


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  • From Codenut@21:4/107 to Gamgee on Thu Jun 22 15:13:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to Codenut <=-

    Codenut wrote to SirRonmit <=-

    all those FREE HD channels, weren't free. You had to pay for HD DVR (monthly) + Channel access + taxes and a lot of other items.
    I pretty much bought someone a nice home after all those years LOL

    I have a solution to cable companies.
    "Cut the cable"

    Well, you likely still need the cable for internet access, if not TV.

    I put a tv yagi up on my tower and I get CBC and CTV when I want
    it with no fees. It's called Free to Air.

    You will likely see tons of station if you are in an urban
    station.

    Yeah, that works great for local broadcast/network stations (ABC, CBS, etc...).

    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or
    Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    Roku box, turns your tv into a smart tv using wifi.

    No PVR.

    Alan


    There is a satellite arc in the sky and you can point a dish any
    one of them

    The reciever can be as cheap as $60.00. Cable, the tool to put
    connnectors on $60.

    I have a hard time believing this is a workable idea. Yeah, you can (maybe) pick up the satellite signal, but decoding it into a useable signal for a TV is another story. Would need a subscription to
    whatever service you're trying to hijack. I don't think this would
    work at all.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Nightfox on Sat Jun 24 06:58:00 2023
    Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    called the cable company to ask them to cancel my basic TV and just
    keep internet, but they said my bill would increase. I find it odd
    that they do that.

    Yeah, they do all sorts of FUD when you call. It used to be that if you threatened to cancel they'd find some deal to keep you, now the level 1
    people just process the cancellation.

    The "your bill will go up when we remove the bundle discount, so you're
    better off keeping the crappy service you're unhappy with" has to be the
    most fucked-up marketing ploy known to man.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to esc on Sat Jun 24 08:39:00 2023
    esc wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Also an economic construct that banks on people like me not paying attention to how many subscriptions I have. Ugh.

    Which creates a niche for paid services to monitor your subscriptions.



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  • From HusTler@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Sat Jun 24 13:13:49 2023
    I live in an urban metro area, and I do get plenty of stations over the

    With my TV watching habits, I'm fine with local broadcast channels.
    Some TV content I like to watch (local news, some game shows, etc.) are
    on broadcast TV.


    I'm with ya! I too am in an urban area. I get plenty of OTA channels and
    my smart phone provides me with my internet connection via hotspot. We just
    got a new channel called Story TV. It basically has all the shows I watched
    on History Channel. I also watch old movies on !Movies.

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Codenut on Sat Jun 24 18:13:00 2023
    Codenut wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I have a solution to cable companies.
    "Cut the cable"

    Well, you likely still need the cable for internet access, if not TV.

    I put a tv yagi up on my tower and I get CBC and CTV when I want
    it with no fees. It's called Free to Air.

    You will likely see tons of station if you are in an urban
    station.

    Yeah, that works great for local broadcast/network stations (ABC, CBS, etc...).

    What if you want to watch the History channel? Or Discovery, or
    Peacock, or the NHL Network, or Disney... need I go on?

    Roku box, turns your tv into a smart tv using wifi.

    Yeah.... I have several Roku boxes, but....

    You were talking about "cutting the cable". So how does your Wifi get
    on the internet?

    Also, just having a Roku doesn't magically give you access to those
    channels I mentioned above. Sure, you can get them via a Roku, *IF* you
    have subscribed to the appropriate streaming service... Oh! But again,
    you need internet access to stream...

    You seem a little confused.



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  • From esc@21:4/173 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Jun 24 21:55:46 2023
    Which creates a niche for paid services to monitor your subscriptions.

    Ah, interesting. Startup idea? :P

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jun 26 10:40:23 2023
    The "your bill will go up when we remove the bundle discount, so you're better off keeping the crappy service you're unhappy with" has to be the most fucked-up marketing ploy known to man.

    How about, "But in order to cancel, you'd have to write the super-secret cancellation department, at least three years ahead of your cancellation date, so better to just keep the service."?

    ...on a side note, I'm glad there's a push to make that less common. At least in the US. I'm not sure what the rules are in the EU (or NZ, for that matter), but hopefully, "as easy to cancel as it is to subscribe" will become standard everywhere.

    Not really sure what to do about the bundles, though anything that reduces powers of companies to provide bad service is good in my book. It's nice when we get _good_ choices, at fair and honest rates.

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  • From SirRonmit@21:2/120 to Adept on Mon Jun 26 07:51:43 2023
    How about, "But in order to cancel, you'd have to write the super-secret cancellation department, at least three years ahead of your cancellation date, so better to just keep the service."?

    LOL!!! so true! How I stayed with them for over 25+ yrs ... slap me now.

    Timothy Norris
    aka SirRonmit
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  • From Codenut@21:4/107 to Gamgee on Wed Jun 28 19:31:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to Codenut <=-

    Codenut wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Roku box, turns your tv into a smart tv using wifi.

    Yeah.... I have several Roku boxes, but....

    You were talking about "cutting the cable". So how does your Wifi get
    on the internet?

    Yes I imagine it seems odd. We have only the internet. $90/month for Bell, but it is the best for quality.

    Also, just having a Roku doesn't magically give you access to those channels I mentioned above. Sure, you can get them via a Roku, *IF*
    you have subscribed to the appropriate streaming service... Oh! But again, you need internet access to stream...

    yes, we subscribe to services because they are better than what we could find on TV at another $100/mth.

    You seem a little confused.

    I don't think I am confused, just not explaining clearly. :-)

    We have to pick and choose.

    I dropped the VOIP number a couple of weeks ago. $170/yr for no one calling other than marketting people.

    It's hard to figure out what you can and cannot do.

    Cutting the cable refers to ditching the TV and The phone service. At least that is what I read into it.

    I watch a lot of Amazon.

    My religious stuff comes from a Starchoice dish pointed at Galaxy 19, though tommorow I may aim it at Galaxy 28. It's free to air.


    Regards,
    Alan

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Mon Jun 26 06:43:00 2023
    Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    How about, "But in order to cancel, you'd have to write the
    super-secret cancellation department, at least three years ahead of
    your cancellation date, so better to just keep the service."?

    When signing contracts for IT services, if I got a whiff of "we're going
    to make it difficult to cancel", I'd include my cancellation notice with
    the signed contract. :)

    Not really sure what to do about the bundles, though anything that
    reduces powers of companies to provide bad service is good in my book. It's nice when we get _good_ choices, at fair and honest rates.

    This is all due to the "last mile" in the US (the infrastructure going
    to residential houses) being a monopoly. Because it was expensive to
    maintain, you had one cable provider and one telephone provider. it's
    only now that the telcos bringing fiber in gives any competition to
    cable.



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