StormTrooper wrote to Nightfox <=-
Honda and Benz both shafted their dealers here, and introduced the shit price guarantee, by selling direct only at list price, no haggling with the dealer. As a result sales of both which have been mediocre of
recent times, have tanked pretty much completely.
My mom bought a 2016 Civic, and I've always thought of them as being
cheap, dependable cars. Mechanics talk about 2002-2006 civics like
My mom bought a 2016 Civic, and I've always thought of them as being
cheap, dependable cars. Mechanics talk about 2002-2006 civics like
Not sure about the cheap part, cheap and cheerful here was always toyota. Honda had more of a spunk factor. I think the dependable, and low maintenance hales from earlier days... civics had that kind of rep here in the late 70s early 80s I guess...
Not sure about the cheap part, cheap and cheerful here was always toyota.
Honda has come a long way since it's beginnings. So has toyota. These vehicles became popular during the "gas crunch" years. Gasoline went from .45 cents a gallon to 2 bucks. US car manufacturers had no answer for this severe problem. Yes both Honda and Toyota were considered "cheap crappy" cars but they sold like hotcakes because of the great gas millage they
days. Im the 80s, I remember hearing how US car makers started to have a bad reputation as their quality went down and, as you said, tended to use a lot
Well, keep in mind jobs were at stake. Buy American not Japanese was the theme. Pay more for gas to support America. I kept my old cars much
longer then I should have. I finally bought a Dodge K-car 4 banger that got 18-town and 28 hyway
Not sure about the cheap part, cheap and cheerful here was always toy
What do you mean by "cheerful" in a car context?
days. Im the 80s, I remember hearing how US car makers started to have
a bad reputation as their quality went down and, as you said, tended
to use a lot
Well, keep in mind jobs were at stake. Buy American not Japanese was the theme. Pay more for gas to support America. I kept my old cars much longer
StormTrooper wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Not sure about the cheap part, cheap and cheerful here was always
toyota.
Nightfox wrote to Hustler <=-
I thought I had heard Honda and Toyota had a pretty good reputation in those days. Im the 80s, I remember hearing how US car makers started to have a bad reputation as their quality went down and, as you said,
tended to use a lot more gas than their foreign competitors.
Hustler wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Honda
By: Nightfox to Hustler on
Sun Jun 04 2023 12:19 pm
days. Im the 80s, I remember hearing how US car makers started to have a bad reputation as their quality went down and, as you said, tended to use a lot
Well, keep in mind jobs were at stake. Buy American not Japanese was
the theme. Pay more for gas to support America. I kept my old cars much longer then I should have. I finally bought a Dodge K-car 4 banger that got 18-town and 28 hyway
I had a 2002 Camry SE with the V6 engine for many years. Cheap,
dependable, and a lot of fun to drive. Finally sold it when I needed
carpool lane stickers for my commute and bought a plug-in Prius.
Nightfox wrote to Hustler <=-
Also, at least these days, many American car brands have factories in other countries, so your American-branded car might have actually been built elsewhere. And several foreign car brands have factories in the
US and Canada (Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, BMW, and perhaps others).
They've joined perennial losers Jaguar, RAM, LDV and Ssangyong at the
For what its worth. Apparently Honda Straya sold in 2007 something like 60k cars for the year. Last month, May... they sold some 816, extrapolate that for 12 months and they're on the road to nowhere.
They've joined perennial losers Jaguar, RAM, LDV and Ssangyong at the bottom of the pile of irrelevancy. This while the car industry is having an ~8% increase over may last year.
StormTrooper wrote to All <=-
For what its worth. Apparently Honda Straya sold in 2007
something like 60k cars for the year. Last month, May... they
sold some 816, extrapolate that for 12 months and they're on the
road to nowhere.
They've joined perennial losers Jaguar, RAM, LDV and Ssangyong at
the bottom of the pile of irrelevancy. This while the car
industry is having an ~8% increase over may last year.
days. Im the 80s, I remember hearing how US car makers started to have
a bad reputation as their quality went down and, as you said, tended
I can understand both sides of the argument. But if people just want a good reliable car, I can understand choosing a Honda or Toyota (and I remember alto use a lot
Volkswagen producing some reliable and fuel-efficient cars too).
Also, at least these days, many American car brands have factories in other countries, so your American-branded car might have actually been built
Also, at least these days, many American car brands have factories
in other
countries, so your American-branded car might have actually been built
I thought we were discussing Honda and Toyota in the 80's. Today is a entirely different story.
I'm a bit surprised, and I'm wondering why Honda would be doing so poorly there? For a long time, I thought Honda has been up near the top as a popular car brand due to reliability, cost, and other factors. And I thought Honda was still fairly popular here in the US, as far as I knew, but I hadn't checked their sales statistics.
Here's a page of interest:
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/honda-us-sales-figures/
Apparently in Australian Micro Pesos a new civic is in the order of $47k in its cheapest version while the Hyundai I30 costs somewhere in the order $27k one of these two is a top 10 seller, while the other one is the Civic.
StormTrooper wrote to Gamgee <=-
Here's a page of interest:
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/honda-us-sales-figures/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xSv0WhMoIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xSv0WhMoIE
Typo, for reasons unknown SyncTerm has become highly resistant to copy/paste.
Typo, for reasons unknown SyncTerm has become highly resistant to copy/paste.
Which version of SyncTERM? If using v1.2b (beta, still in development), but sure to get a recent nightly build.
To be honest, I'm not sure, its pretty long in the tooth, and I don't
see a version number anywhere. It's 1.1 can't say I've had any
particular drama with it before... copy the target, and right click into the destination... shrug. Its no real biggie..
The joys of remaining away from the bleeding edge, I suppose.
The joys of remaining away from the bleeding edge, I suppose.I have a certain affinity for "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Oddly enough my copy/paste problem seems to be related to what SyncTerm
is connected to. It steadfastly refuses both operations when connected
to Synchro systems. Most other systems it works just fine with.
I have a certain affinity for "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
I like the concept, but also get concerned that I wind up holding on to old and not great solutions much longer than I should.
Oddly enough my copy/paste problem seems to be related to what
SyncTerm is connected to. It steadfastly refuses both operations
when connected to Synchro systems. Most other systems it works just
fine with.
That seems... wacky. I have no idea on the SyncTerm code base, but you'd think it'd be copying text from a screen full of text, and BBS _shouldn't_ matter.
But interesting that it seems to.
I tend to agree. Products often tend to improve over time, so "If it's not broken, don't fix it" doesn't always make sense.
I wouldn't think copy & paste would matter, but I think someone else
said it may be related to whether or not mouse click support is enabled, which could affect whether or not you can click & highlight text in the terminal. And I don't think that would be specifically affected by
I have a certain affinity for "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".
I like the concept, but also get concerned that I wind up holding on old and not great solutions much longer than I should.
I tend to agree. Products often tend to improve over time, so "If it's not broken, don't fix it" doesn't always make sense.
I tend to agree. Products often tend to improve over time, so "If
it's not broken, don't fix it" doesn't always make sense.
Mebbe I use the wrong products, but IME most upgrades don't actually produce any benefits. I'm sure there's stuff tha's fixed, added (bloat) and other goodness going on too, but I'd hate to try and count the number of times upgrades broke functionality for me.
Some people say you shouldn't buy the first version of something, but rather you should wait until they work some of the problems out and maybe improve it a bit too. I tend to agree with that - Early versions of things tend to have room for improvement, and IMO often are improved in later versions.
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