• Multiple Nets

    From deepthaw@21:1/101 to All on Tue Nov 17 04:46:20 2020
    Hey all, threw ENiGMA 1/2 on my poor mistreated server named Lappy last
    night, and I'm really enjoying it.

    One thing I'm having trouble with is sending messages out now that I have
    both fsxNet and SciNet on my system. SciNet is running a-okay but fsxNet
    seemed to stop once I had both of them configured. I'm still receiving
    echomail okay, but nothing I send seems to work.

    BinkD shows the packets are being sent to my hub, but I'm still assuming the error is on my end rather than the hub since only one of us knows what we're doing. And it ain't me.

    Any special tips I should be aware of in this situation? Once I'm at a
    computer more conducive to it, I'll past some of the relevant entries from
    both my enigma and binkd setups.

    Also, what's the link for the discord? Wouldn't mind chatting with other
    folks and hopefully helping people once I've been helped and gotten through
    the growing pains stage.

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  • From Alpha@21:4/158 to deepthaw on Mon Nov 16 22:40:48 2020
    One thing I'm having trouble with is sending messages out now that I have both fsxNet and SciNet on my system. SciNet is running a-okay but fsxNet seemed to stop once I had both of them configured. I'm still receiving echomail okay, but nothing I send seems to work.

    I had this exact problem, was hoping someone (Nu?) could share their binkd.conf?

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 17 12:44:42 2020
    On 17 Nov 2020 at 04:46a, deepthaw pondered and said...

    both fsxNet and SciNet on my system. SciNet is running a-okay but fsxNet seemed to stop once I had both of them configured. I'm still receiving echomail okay, but nothing I send seems to work.

    BinkD shows the packets are being sent to my hub, but I'm still assuming the error is on my end rather than the hub since only one of us knows
    what we're doing. And it ain't me.

    If you can share some polling logs of when you sent packets to your HUB I can try and confirm what happened at the HUB if that helps :)

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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to Avon on Mon Nov 16 17:48:14 2020
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    If you can share some polling logs of when you sent packets to your HUB I can try and confirm what happened at the HUB if that helps :)

    I'm going to give it a bit - I switched back to working on my SBBS system which















































































    already works. ENiGMA 1/2 is really cool, but not yet ready IMHO. I'll probably















































































    keep it around as a project system while SBBS is my daily driver.
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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 17 12:58:04 2020
    On 16 Nov 2020 at 05:48p, deepthaw pondered and said...

    I'm going to give it a bit - I switched back to working on my SBBS
    system which already works. ENiGMA 1/2 is really cool, but not yet ready IMHO. I'll probably keep it around as a project system while SBBS is my

    I'm thinking it could be something as simple as you sent packets to a HUB but included a packet password with them when none was expected, if so the HUB would have dropped the packets and not tossed them.

    Best, Paul

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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to Avon on Mon Nov 16 18:15:26 2020
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    On 16 Nov 2020 at 05:48p, deepthaw pondered and said...

    I'm going to give it a bit - I switched back to working on my SBBS
    system which already works. ENiGMA 1/2 is really cool, but not yet
    ready IMHO. I'll probably keep it around as a project system while
    SBBS is my

    I'm thinking it could be something as simple as you sent packets to a HUB but included a packet password with them when none was expected, if so the HUB would have dropped the packets and not tossed them.

    Now that you mention it... I bet that was the problem. I forgot error404 doesn't use a password for packets.
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  • From apam@21:1/126 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 17 11:12:20 2020
    already works. ENiGMA 1/2 is really cool, but not yet ready IMHO. I'll

    Just curious, why do you say it's not yet ready? And ready for what?

    Xibalba has been running multiple nets on enigma 1/2 for ~5 years.

    andrew


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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to apam on Mon Nov 16 19:38:26 2020
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    already works. ENiGMA 1/2 is really cool, but not yet ready IMHO. I'll

    Just curious, why do you say it's not yet ready? And ready for what?

    Xibalba has been running multiple nets on enigma 1/2 for ~5 years.

    The big one to me is not being able to configure the scanned bases for users, and only having (so far as I could find) a global new scan. I'm guessing if you















































































    use an offline reader or access through gopher (which is insanely cool that it supports) or nntp it's much less of an issue.

    Don't get me wrong - the software looks amazing and I was shocked at how easily















































































    I got it up and running and how snappy it was.
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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to deepthaw on Mon Nov 16 18:47:52 2020
    BinkD shows the packets are being sent to my hub, but I'm still assuming the error is on my end rather than the hub since only one of us knows what we're doing. And it ain't me.

    Have you checked the enigma logs? Are packet files being produced by enigma?

    Here is my binkd.conf: https://pastebin.com/9YimW7kz

    And Discord: https://discord.gg/KXwBWdMW


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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to deepthaw on Mon Nov 16 18:50:28 2020
    On Monday, November 16th deepthaw muttered...
    The big one to me is not being able to configure the scanned bases for users, and only having (so far as I could find) a global new scan.

    https://github.com/NuSkooler/enigma-bbs/issues/307

    Please feel free to add notes/comments.





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  • From apam@21:1/126 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 17 12:04:40 2020
    The big one to me is not being able to configure the scanned bases for users, an

    Ok, that's helpful, thankyou. Sorry, I tend to bite when people say
    things like "it's not ready" or "it's rough around the edges" without
    saying why.

    Although Enigma 1/2 isn't my project, I know how difficult it can be to
    get people trying something other than mystic or synchronet, (Although it
    seems to be getting easier) and although it might not be ready for you
    yet (and that's cool) it's (a) difficult to know what to improve on, and
    (b) discourages others from having a go if you don't say why.

    I hope this doesn't come off as an attack, it's not meant to be, and not
    so much meant for you, as it is for others trying out new stuff as well..
    help us help you kind of thing :)

    Andrew


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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to NuSkooler on Mon Nov 16 20:14:12 2020
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    https://github.com/NuSkooler/enigma-bbs/issues/307

    Please feel free to add notes/comments.

    I normally hate to leave feature requests/notes on projects because it feels like I'm trying to tell people smarter than me what to do. "(not) ready for prime time" was probably harsher than I meant it to be.
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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to apam on Mon Nov 16 20:16:30 2020
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    I hope this doesn't come off as an attack, it's not meant to be, and not so much meant for you, as it is for others trying out new stuff as well.. help us help you kind of thing :)

    Given my general social awkwardness, I still don't know how to effectively leave feedback to project maintainers without feeling like I'm coming off as ungrateful.

    I love ENiGMA so far, and I can easily see myself running it once that option and a handful of other small (to other, but big to me) things are done. (None of which I can think of off-hand.)
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  • From apam@21:1/126 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 17 12:41:14 2020
    Given my general social awkwardness, I still don't know how to effectively leave
    feedback to project maintainers without feeling like I'm coming off as ungrateful

    I can understand that. I would say "don't feel like that" but I know it's
    hard not to. I feel the same way when reporting things I think are bugs
    in synchronet to rob. I also know lots of others feel the same way.

    Unless you say something like "your project sucks because it doesn't have feature x." I think most people really appreciate honest, constructive feedback.

    It's up to you of course, I can't speak for Nu, and already feel like I'm standing on his toes a little by writing these messages.

    I do know some authors tend to make people feel the need to walk on
    eggshells, most aren't like that though. Nu's definitly not like that, in
    my experience he's a really cool guy and I'm sure he'd appreciate the
    feedback / issues, mostly because it shows you care, if it's not
    something he wants to do, he'll say that.

    Andrew


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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to apam on Mon Nov 16 21:36:54 2020
    On Monday, November 16th apam muttered...
    Although Enigma 1/2 isn't my project, I know how difficult it can be to get people trying something other than mystic or synchronet, (Although it seems to be getting easier) and although it might not be ready for you yet (and that's cool) it's (a) difficult to know what to improve on, and (b) discourages others from having a go if you don't say why.
    I hope this doesn't come off as an attack, it's not meant to be, and not so much meant for you, as it is for others trying out new stuff as well.. help us help you kind of thing :)

    Thank you Andrew / Apam. I couldn't (no really) say it better myself.

    And Apam knows. He manages many projects!


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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to deepthaw on Mon Nov 16 21:38:04 2020
    deepthaw around Monday, November 16th...
    I normally hate to leave feature requests/notes on projects because it feels like I'm trying to tell people smarter than me what to do. "(not) ready for prime time" was probably harsher than I meant it to be.

    I need a way to manage requests otherwise it's just one offs anytime anyone asks for something which clearly isn't productive.



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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to apam on Mon Nov 16 21:40:34 2020
    Twas Monday, November 16th when apam said...
    It's up to you of course, I can't speak for Nu, and already feel like I'm standing on his toes a little by writing these messages.

    Not at all, and thank you again!

    Feedback/comments/feature requests/bugs/etc. are always welcome. Again, GitHub issues helps me track that is all. To be fair though, if you're not going to use it, it's obviously a lesser priority than features people I know use the thing are asking for.


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to NuSkooler on Tue Nov 17 14:52:32 2020
    I need a way to manage requests otherwise it's just one offs anytime anyone asks
    for something which clearly isn't productive.

    I'm terrible at forgetting things people ask for lol. Someone says they
    would like feature x and unless I do it then and there, chances are I
    forget.

    I'm also guilty of not always using issue trackers. Just the other day I reported to Rob a bug in cryptlib/syncterm, I didn't even think of
    checking the website to see if there was a syncterm issue tracker (there
    is) and the bug had already been reported.

    Andrew


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  • From apam@21:1/126 to NuSkooler on Tue Nov 17 15:00:30 2020
    Thank you Andrew / Apam. I couldn't (no really) say it better myself.

    You're welcome, I thought I might have been overstepping a bit.

    I think sometimes people forget while this is a hobby for them, it's also
    a hobby for us, in that both the programmers and the non programmers get enjoyment out of this hobby.

    Those who are users, testers, troubleshooters etc, don't always realize
    the value of their contributions.

    Anyway, I hope I didn't scare deepthaw away lol ;P

    Andrew


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  • From deepthaw@21:1/101 to apam on Tue Nov 17 20:01:22 2020
    On 17 Nov 2020 at 03:00p, apam pondered and said...
    Anyway, I hope I didn't scare deepthaw away lol ;P

    Oh, not at all. I've been messing with what I (think) is a now working FTN setup and toying with importing 9,000 tracker modules and looking at how the tags in the database can be used to manage that.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to apam on Tue Nov 17 19:19:04 2020
    On 17 Nov 2020, apam said the following...

    already works. ENiGMA 1/2 is really cool, but not yet ready IMHO. I'll

    Just curious, why do you say it's not yet ready? And ready for what?

    Xibalba has been running multiple nets on enigma 1/2 for ~5 years.

    andrew


    I agree with Andrew here, I am currently running I think 6 or more Nets on Enigma, and no problems at all, in fact because of the way it runs I am building a new system which will combine 2 of my boards into 1 and will carry just about all of the 12 nets I carry on my Mystic board..

    Al

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 17 19:25:20 2020
    On 16 Nov 2020, deepthaw said the following...

    https://github.com/NuSkooler/enigma-bbs/issues/307

    Please feel free to add notes/comments.

    I normally hate to leave feature requests/notes on projects because it feels like I'm trying to tell people smarter than me what to do. "(not) ready for prime time" was probably harsher than I meant it to be.
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    Don't feel that way, that is the only way to make software better.. I am no
    way near Apam, or NuSkooler with my programming but I have worked on Image
    BBS for the Commodore 64 back in the mid 90's and took up again with it over the past 2 years that I got back into BBS' and if it weren't for people
    asking for things or telling us what they didn't like Image BBS v3.0 would be no way near what it is. In fact, when it is run on a Emulated C64 with CMD HD and SuperCPU emulation this thing rivals most Amiga/PC boards with Speed and use.. We have built this thing so if you didn't know it was run on a
    Commodore 64 you would think it was run on a PC.. Trust me NuSkooler won't think badly if you ask for something or tell him something isn't quite
    right.. The way he helped this total linux Newbie in me when I first put my Enigma up leads me to believe what I just said!

    Al

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to Bucko on Tue Nov 17 19:16:46 2020
    Twas Tuesday, November 17th when Bucko said...
    I agree with Andrew here, I am currently running I think 6 or more Nets on Enigma, and no problems at all, in fact because of the way it runs I am building a new system which will combine 2 of my boards into 1 and will carry just about all of the 12 nets I carry on my Mystic board..

    Nice, that's a lot of networks! Glad it's working well for you!

    I'm only carrying fsxNet, ArakNet, RetroNet, and SpookNet right now. What others might you suggest? Some are not my cup of tea, but out of 12 I'm sure there is something in there that may be of interest hehe



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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to NuSkooler on Tue Nov 17 21:23:26 2020
    On 17 Nov 2020, NuSkooler said the following...

    I'm only carrying fsxNet, ArakNet, RetroNet, and SpookNet right now. What others might you suggest? Some are not my cup of tea, but out of 12 I'm surethere is something in there that may be of interest hehe

    DOVE-Net, Miconet & Sci-Net seem pretty cool. DOVE is a QWK net, but Deon/ alterego may be able to set you up with an FTN feed if you ask nicely.

    Jay

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to Warpslide on Tue Nov 17 19:27:04 2020
    Warpslide around Tuesday, November 17th...
    DOVE-Net, Miconet & Sci-Net seem pretty cool. DOVE is a QWK net, but Deon/ alterego may be able to set you up with an FTN feed if you ask nicely.

    Nice I will look into these. As far as QWK, I wrote about 90% of the code to support it for enig, just need to add a few bits for the "network" part. Maybe DOVE could give me an excuse :D


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to apam on Tue Nov 17 19:27:04 2020
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    already works. ENiGMA 1/2 is really cool, but not yet ready IMHO. I'll
    Just curious, why do you say it's not yet ready? And ready for what?

    andrew

    Make sure you know that tons of sysOps and even more users love enigma and the feel and featureset that it offers! Just a little more skills is all *I* need to make enigma my own; we get it, the ops get it and enigma.5 IS bbsing2020. :P



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to deepthaw on Tue Nov 17 19:32:46 2020
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    On 17 Nov 2020 at 03:00p, apam pondered and said...
    Anyway, I hope I didn't scare deepthaw away lol ;P

    Oh, not at all. I've been messing with what I (think) is a now working FTNsetup and toying with importing 9,000 tracker modules and looking at how thetags in the database can be used to manage that.


    Thats awesome - because I want to see more cool enigma and mystic joints - nothing against synchronet, i'd also like to see more modified sync boards.. but hopefully you'll dig the ability to talk with the dev and make something cool- no matter what software you land on. :P



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  • From deepthaw@21:2/128 to paulie420 on Tue Nov 17 22:55:10 2020
    On 11/17/2020 7:32 pm paulie420 said...
    Thats awesome - because I want to see more cool enigma and mystic joints - nothing against synchronet, i'd also like to see more modified sync boards.. but hopefully you'll dig the ability to talk with the dev and make something cool- no matter what software you land on. :P

    I'm probably going to keep SBBS on my system, but use it to patch in the gaps that ENiGMA can't fill right now. Export a QWK network and some Usenet, and maybe even see if I can get it to seamlessly handle displaying some of the XBin














































































    art I've been working on.

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  • From deon@21:2/116 to Warpslide on Wed Nov 18 21:20:20 2020
    Re: Re: Multiple Nets
    By: Warpslide to NuSkooler on Tue Nov 17 2020 09:23 pm

    Howdy,

    DOVE-Net, Miconet & Sci-Net seem pretty cool. DOVE is a QWK net, but
    Deon/ alterego may be able to set you up with an FTN feed if
    you ask nicely.

    Yup, I can help with an FTN feed of DoveNet - since I feed it internally to my other BBS over FTN.

    Some of Dovenet is available over FidoNet as well - if you have a Fido feed.

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to NuSkooler on Wed Nov 18 19:08:28 2020
    On 17 Nov 2020, NuSkooler said the following...


    Nice, that's a lot of networks! Glad it's working well for you!

    I'm only carrying fsxNet, ArakNet, RetroNet, and SpookNet right now. What others might you suggest? Some are not my cup of tea, but out of 12 I'm sure there is something in there that may be of interest hehe


    Right now I have TQWNet, DoreNet, SciNet, pINet, my own local board network, and fsxNet on there.. Runs well, piNet is dead, SciNet is very popular and busy, DoreNet is nice not very busy but nice. That's all that is on my
    Enigma, on Mystic, in addition to those, I have RetroNet, CBMNet, Fido, GameNet, CombatNet, AmigaNet. Actually it's only 11 nets.. LOL

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