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    From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to All on Wed Oct 30 08:10:20 2019
    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under MS-DOS on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4 I have on a shelf or under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Joacim Melin on Tue Oct 29 23:42:22 2019
    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under MS-DOS on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4 I have on a shelf or under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    I haven't run Telegard for years but I really liked it when I did.

    I was told the installer wouldn't run unless the date and/or time was set
    back to a pre y2k time frame. I don't know if that's true since I haven't
    tried but it might be woth a shot.

    Ttyl :-)
    Al

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Al on Wed Oct 30 10:07:50 2019
    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under
    MS-DOS on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give
    Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4 I
    have on a shelf or under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    I haven't run Telegard for years but I really liked it when I did.

    I was told the installer wouldn't run unless the date and/or time was
    set
    back to a pre y2k time frame. I don't know if that's true since I
    haven't
    tried but it might be woth a shot.

    Great advice, Al. Thanks. Will keep that in mind.



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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Joacim Melin on Wed Oct 30 18:19:20 2019
    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under MS-DOS on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4 I have on a shelf or under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    I don't have any advice, but it does sound like fun... keep us posted :)

    Andrew

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to apam on Wed Oct 30 11:32:18 2019
    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under
    MS-DOS on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give
    Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4 I
    have on a shelf or under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    I don't have any advice, but it does sound like fun... keep us posted
    :)

    Dunno if installing OS/2 on hardware in 2019 is my idea of fun but hey it's a challenge so why not. Getting OS/2 to accept incoming connections via telnet and then passing them onto virtual com ports for Telegard to play with is a entirely different matter.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Joacim Melin on Wed Oct 30 02:59:28 2019
    Dunno if installing OS/2 on hardware in 2019 is my idea of fun but hey it's a challenge so why not. Getting OS/2 to accept incoming
    connections via telnet and then passing them onto virtual com ports for Telegard to play with is a entirely different matter.

    I was considering the latest OS/2 about two years ago. I forget what they
    call it but I downloaded the live cd and gave it a spin.

    It was quite impressive and looked much as I remember OS/2 but my nic was
    not detected so I had no internet to surf at all. I don't know what it
    would take to get intenet support but if it could be done it would be
    hard to resist.

    When I did run OS/2 twenty years ago the browsers and other internet apps
    where quite far behind what everyone else was using. I'm not sure where
    any of that is today.

    Ttyl :-)
    Al

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Joacim Melin on Wed Oct 30 21:18:10 2019
    Dunno if installing OS/2 on hardware in 2019 is my idea of fun but hey it's a challenge so why not. Getting OS/2 to accept incoming
    connections via telnet and then passing them onto virtual com ports for Telegard to play with is a entirely different matter.

    Last time I tried it wasn't too hard (but I was using eComStation) it
    seemed to run fine on my PC, but yeah getting the SIO and VModem working
    was a pain. I think the most annoying thing is you can't register it
    anymore. (the SIO drivers that is).

    Will you be using Warp 4 or something newer?

    Andrew

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Al on Wed Oct 30 12:21:02 2019
    I was considering the latest OS/2 about two years ago. I forget what
    they call it but I downloaded the live cd and gave it a spin.

    ArcaOS?

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Oli on Wed Oct 30 04:43:26 2019
    I was considering the latest OS/2 about two years ago. I forget what
    they call it but I downloaded the live cd and gave it a spin.

    ArcaOS?

    Yes, that's the one. I think I still have the CDRW aroun here somewhere..

    Ttyl :-)
    Al

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  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Joacim Melin on Wed Oct 30 12:16:08 2019
    Quoting Joacim Melin to apam <=-

    it's a challenge so why not. Getting OS/2 to accept incoming
    connections via telnet and then passing them onto virtual com ports for Telegard to play with is a entirely different matter.

    SIO / Vmodem. Cracks are available for it and the author has said to
    go ahead and use them. (He's on facebook) Setup time for telnet
    support in os/2 is about 2 mins.

    I was a huge os/2 supporter back in the day (and well past the day) as
    Al said the apps are far behind, but most of the modernish ones are
    linux ports now.

    Shawn

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Al on Wed Oct 30 13:35:04 2019
    I was considering the latest OS/2 about two years ago. I forget
    what they call it but I downloaded the live cd and gave it a
    spin.

    ArcaOS?

    Yes, that's the one. I think I still have the CDRW aroun here
    somewhere..

    Is this a free demo? I cannot find anything to download without purchasing the OS (starts at 129 Euro).


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Oli on Wed Oct 30 06:33:50 2019
    Yes, that's the one. I think I still have the CDRW aroun here
    somewhere..

    Is this a free demo? I cannot find anything to download without
    purchasing the OS (starts at 129 Euro).

    Yes, it was free to download. It wasn't big, 300MB if I remember right. I
    may have had to give them my email to get the download link, I don't
    quite remember now.

    If it's not on their site anymore I imagine it's available by torrent,
    maybe? It wasn't all that long ago.

    Ttyl :-)
    Al

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to apam on Wed Oct 30 15:49:54 2019
    Dunno if installing OS/2 on hardware in 2019 is my idea of fun but hey
    it's a challenge so why not. Getting OS/2 to accept incoming
    connections via telnet and then passing them onto virtual com ports for
    Telegard to play with is a entirely different matter.

    Last time I tried it wasn't too hard (but I was using eComStation) it seemed to run fine on my PC, but yeah getting the SIO and VModem
    working
    was a pain. I think the most annoying thing is you can't register it anymore. (the SIO drivers that is).

    Will you be using Warp 4 or something newer?

    I figured I'd use the last version of OS/2 Warp 4 since it's supposed to be able to boot the installation from the CD-ROM.


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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Joacim Melin on Wed Oct 30 16:29:00 2019
    Joacim Melin wrote to All <=-

    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under MS-DOS on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4
    I have on a shelf or under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    Sean Dennis, a sysop on Micronet (and Fidonet) has a virtual image for OS/2 that I believe is meant to be installed under VMware and with BBSing in
    mind. He is also the moderator of the BBSing 2.0 group on Facebook, where
    he has been discussing the image.



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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Blue White on Thu Oct 31 11:46:32 2019
    Joacim Melin wrote to All <=-

    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under
    MS-DOS on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give
    Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4
    I have on a shelf or under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    Sean Dennis, a sysop on Micronet (and Fidonet) has a virtual image
    for OS/2
    that I believe is meant to be installed under VMware and with BBSing
    in
    mind. He is also the moderator of the BBSing 2.0 group on Facebook,
    where
    he has been discussing the image.

    Thanks for the info. I don't have an Facebook account do not intend of getting one. :)


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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to Blue White on Thu Oct 31 04:47:40 2019
    Here is a install cd if that helps

    https://archive.org/details/IBMOS2Warp4Collection


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Al on Thu Oct 31 05:44:00 2019
    Al wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    It was quite impressive and looked much as I remember OS/2 but my nic
    was not detected so I had no internet to surf at all. I don't know what
    it would take to get intenet support but if it could be done it would
    be hard to resist.

    All it would take is the *right* card, just like the old days. You could probably find one of those realtek RTL8139-based PCI cards for a buck at a thrift shop, or $10 on Amazon.


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  • From Andrew Leary@21:4/105 to apam on Thu Oct 31 12:52:14 2019
    Hello apam!

    30 Oct 19 21:18, you wrote to Joacim Melin:

    Last time I tried it wasn't too hard (but I was using eComStation) it seemed to run fine on my PC, but yeah getting the SIO and VModem
    working was a pain. I think the most annoying thing is you can't
    register it anymore. (the SIO drivers that is).

    There is a crack available for SIO 1.60d which the author has said is OK to use. Look for SIOREG.ZIP.

    Andrew

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Joacim Melin on Thu Oct 31 17:12:10 2019
    Joacim Melin wrote to Blue White <=-

    Thanks for the info. I don't have an Facebook account do not intend of getting one. :)

    But you can access Micronet on my Synchronet board, capitolcityonline.net. Telnet is 23, SSH is 2022, http is 80. :)

    BBS Support/Help - Micronet under the BBS'ing Forums message group would be somewhere you could probably get in touch with him.

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  • From apam@21:1/126 to Andrew Leary on Fri Nov 1 12:50:34 2019
    There is a crack available for SIO 1.60d which the author has said is OK to use. Look for SIOREG.ZIP.

    That's good to know! Thanks :)

    Andrew

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  • From Ruben Figueroa@21:2/122 to Joacim Melin on Wed Oct 30 08:53:50 2019
    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under
    MS-DOS
    on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give Telegard/2 a try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4 I have on a shelf
    or
    under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    I have Telegard running in a VM under Windows 2003 server. Telnet
    address is: wcalt.rdfig.net and your welcome to check it out.
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  • From Ruben Figueroa@21:2/122 to Al on Wed Oct 30 08:55:10 2019
    I haven't run Telegard for years but I really liked it when I did.

    I was told the installer wouldn't run unless the date and/or time was set back to a pre y2k time frame. I don't know if that's true since I haven't tried but it might be woth a shot.

    Ttyl :-)
    Al

    Didn't have any issues installing Telegard.
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  • From SHIFT838@21:4/164 to Ruben Figueroa on Sat Nov 2 23:48:04 2019
    I was able to get both Telegard and Telegard/2 running on MSDOS virtual as
    well as a MiSTer ao486.


    SHIFT838
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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Nov 3 11:53:40 2019
    Al wrote to Joacim Melin <=-

    It was quite impressive and looked much as I remember OS/2 but my nic
    was not detected so I had no internet to surf at all. I don't know what
    it would take to get intenet support but if it could be done it would
    be hard to resist.

    All it would take is the *right* card, just like the old days. You
    could
    probably find one of those realtek RTL8139-based PCI cards for a buck
    at a
    thrift shop, or $10 on Amazon.

    I have a box of old 3Com 3c905, 3c509, etc so I'm all sorted there I think. If it doesn't work with the 3Com cards then clearly it's not worth doing. :)


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Ruben Figueroa on Sun Nov 3 11:57:50 2019
    Since I loved Telegard but never have been able to get it running under
    MS-DOS
    on VMware (at least not the Y2K patched version) I'm gonna give Telegard/2
    a
    try. Just got to get OS/2 running, either on a Pentium 4 I have on a shelf

    or
    under VMware.

    Any advice on both matters are more than welcome.

    I have Telegard running in a VM under Windows 2003 server. Telnet
    address is: wcalt.rdfig.net and your welcome to check it out.

    Thanks! How did you get it running? I assume it's the DOS version and if so, which version are you running?


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  • From Ruben Figueroa@21:2/122 to Joacim Melin on Sun Nov 3 07:41:52 2019
    I have Telegard running in a VM under Windows 2003 server. Telnet address is: wcalt.rdfig.net and your welcome to check it out.

    Thanks! How did you get it running? I assume it's the DOS version and if
    so,

    Yes the DOS version and I belive it is SP2. Check it out at
    wcalt.rdfig.net:23

    I use Oracle VMBox and Windows 2003 server which I had laying around

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Joacim Melin on Sun Nov 3 15:30:58 2019
    Re: Re: Telegard/2
    By: Joacim Melin to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Nov 03 2019 11:53 am

    I have a box of old 3Com 3c905, 3c509, etc so I'm all sorted there I think. If it doesn't work with the 3Com cards then clearly it's not worth doing.

    I loved the old 3C509s. I'm pretty sure I ran OS/2 with 905s back in the day, they should be compatible with most anything these days.
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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Joacim Melin on Sun Nov 3 15:57:00 2019
    Joacim Melin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    I have a box of old 3Com 3c905, 3c509, etc so I'm all sorted there I think. If it doesn't work with the 3Com cards then clearly it's not
    worth doing. :)

    My OS/2 install is working just fine with a 3Com card, I believe it it one
    of those you have listed there or an Etherlink.


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 4 07:47:48 2019
    Re: Re: Telegard/2
    By: Joacim Melin to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Nov 03 2019 11:53 am

    I have a box of old 3Com 3c905, 3c509, etc so I'm all sorted there I think
    .
    If it doesn't work with the 3Com cards then clearly it's not worth doing.

    I loved the old 3C509s. I'm pretty sure I ran OS/2 with 905s back in
    the day,
    they should be compatible with most anything these days.

    Yeah, 3c509 was the golden standard for ISA connected NIC's for sure. I remember fighting NE2000 cards back in the day but that got old pretty quick once I got my hands on a couple of 3c509.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Joacim Melin on Mon Nov 4 19:23:00 2019
    On 11-04-19 07:47, Joacim Melin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Yeah, 3c509 was the golden standard for ISA connected NIC's for sure. I remember fighting NE2000 cards back in the day but that got old pretty quick once I got my hands on a couple of 3c509.

    Yes, rarely got to play with one ($$$), but they were a nice card in their day.


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Vk3jed on Mon Nov 4 11:40:24 2019
    On 11-04-19 07:47, Joacim Melin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Yeah, 3c509 was the golden standard for ISA connected NIC's for sure. I
    remember fighting NE2000 cards back in the day but that got old pretty
    quick once I got my hands on a couple of 3c509.

    Yes, rarely got to play with one ($$$), but they were a nice card in
    their day.

    Yeah I remember them being really expensive back in the day. They dropped in price after a few years and they where sold under other brands (Farallon if memory serves) that 3Com owned to a much lower price.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Joacim Melin on Mon Nov 4 07:48:00 2019
    Joacim Melin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Yeah, 3c509 was the golden standard for ISA connected NIC's for sure. I remember fighting NE2000 cards back in the day but that got old pretty quick once I got my hands on a couple of 3c509.

    I always kept an NE2000 card for use with obscure OSes - I used MINIX on and off, and NE2000 was one of the only cards it supported out of the box.


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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Nov 5 10:18:56 2019
    Joacim Melin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    Yeah, 3c509 was the golden standard for ISA connected NIC's for sure. I
    remember fighting NE2000 cards back in the day but that got old pretty
    quick once I got my hands on a couple of 3c509.

    I always kept an NE2000 card for use with obscure OSes - I used MINIX
    on and
    off, and NE2000 was one of the only cards it supported out of the
    box.

    I'm not 100% sure but I think I was forced to get a 3c509 when I was using NeXTSTEP 3.3 on my 486 PC at home. It was one of the few NIC's that was supported in that release. Now I have like 3-4 NE2000 in a box too, dunno what to do with them to be honest.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Joacim Melin on Mon Nov 11 10:16:00 2019
    On 11-04-19 11:40, Joacim Melin wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Yeah I remember them being really expensive back in the day. They
    dropped in price after a few years and they where sold under other
    brands (Farallon if memory serves) that 3Com owned to a much lower
    price.

    Yeah cost is why the 3c905 was relatively rare in the wild - not all companies could afford to roll them out on all their PCs. Places I worked for tended to go with the NE2000, its clones and descendents (e.g. RTL 8029 and 8139 based cards).


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