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I was doing some browsing on the ol' internet, and found the old pascal code for a nodelist stat compiler called NetStats from 1991.
It was written for TurboPascal, but with a few tweaks, I was able to get it to compile with Lazarus and FreePascal. :)
I was doing some browsing on the ol' internet, and found the old
code for a nodelist stat compiler called NetStats from 1991.
It was written for TurboPascal, but with a few tweaks, I was able
it to compile with Lazarus and FreePascal. :)
Nice! There are a lot of stuff written in TP that we could transfer
to FP and modern BBSes.
Nice! There are a lot of stuff written in TP that we could transfer to
FP and modern BBSes.
On 05-01-19 08:45, xqtr wrote to Black Panther <=-
Nice! There are a lot of stuff written in TP that we could transfer to
FP and modern BBSes.
There is a lot out there. I'm just not sure how much would actually be worth spending the time with...
Nice! There are a lot of stuff written in TP that we could transfer t FP and modern BBSes.That would be good. :) I looked at FP, but don't have the time to
relearn these days. :(
300 = 186 (100.00 %)
300 = 186 (100.00 %)
Man we're a bunch of cheapskates on this network! 1200 baud modems have been widely available for at least a couple of years now!
We'll never need more than a 300 baud modem... :)
There is also the problem that there is not a working DOOR kit for
windows machines written for FreePascal. They will work under linux, but not under windows.
Is there any way to port it over any of these old Pascal Door Kits to
use the Modern Pascal runtime? Maybe Ozz can assist. Or is the problem that the source is not available for these kits?
Re: Re: Found some old code...
By: Black Panther to Va7aqd on Wed May 01 2019 12:21 pm
We'll never need more than a 300 baud modem... :)
My arm gets tired with all the acoustic coupling, though.
On 05-01-19 13:44, xqtr wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Nice! There are a lot of stuff written in TP that we could transfer t FP and modern BBSes.That would be good. :) I looked at FP, but don't have the time to
relearn these days. :(
There is also the problem that there is not a working DOOR kit for
windows machines written for FreePascal. They will work under linux,
but not under windows.
Quoting apam to xqtr <=-
I was having a go at Tiny's OpenEdit today, didn't get very far as I
don't know pascal very well at all. It's a nice editor though and
would be good to have on Linux / Windows.
There is a lot out there. I'm just not sure how much would actually be
worth spending the time with...
Sure... not all... but some that actually do have a worth for today also.
On May 01, 2019 01:42pm, xqtr wrote to Black Panther:
There is a lot out there. I'm just not sure how much would actually b BP>> worth spending the time with...
Sure... not all... but some that actually do have a worth for today als
Heh, if we are talking about Pascal code, don't you mean "Wirth?" :)
Quoting apam to xqtr <=-
I was having a go at Tiny's OpenEdit today, didn't get very far a don't know pascal very well at all. It's a nice editor though and would be good to have on Linux / Windows.
I tried for a few years, but at this point I can't even code hello
world anymore. The code is out there for anyone to update it and
try I keep hoping someone fixes it.
Heh, if we are talking about Pascal code, don't you mean "Wirth?" :)
Heh, if we are talking about Pascal code, don't you mean "Wirth?"
i had to search for it to understand it.. but i got it... :P
modern pascal is better than many other prog.lang. specially python,
but it cant gain the fame of them. dont understand why. :(
When you say "modern pascal" do you mean Ozz Nixon's "Modern Pascal"
thing or just general pascal that is modern (like free pascal).
Why is it better than Python? I came late to the party with Python and disliked it's fussy indentation requirements, but after getting used to it, it wasn't too bad.
When you say "modern pascal" do you mean Ozz Nixon's "Modern Pasc thing or just general pascal that is modern (like free pascal).
every pascal after tp7 and that is object oriented prog. can be
considered as "modern pascal", like FP, Delphi etc.
Why is it better than Python? I came late to the party with Pytho disliked it's fussy indentation requirements, but after getting u
it, it wasn't too bad.
because python is script language. just that makes a difference in a
lo of things, but no one pays attention to that cause now days we
have cpus that run at 3+gh. Debugging python is very difficult and i
dont mean simple typing mistakes. Python is very good for making
quick "proof of concept" things, utils and so. But because it has so
many extensions/packages and because of the speed of the machines
today, evwryone thinks that is the "best programming lang."
Today we measure "value" not by objective things, but by fame only.
If something has "fame" is "good", if not... not worth it. This
applies to many areas of our lives not just prog.languages.
We even say that java/script is "better" than c/++ :? because
"everyone is using them" >:(
Quoting apam to Tiny <=-
I'd really like to be able to port it, but I'm starting to think it
might be easier to rewrite it in C++ using the Pascal source as a reference. Doing that would be a big job, and I've got enough projects going for the time being, although, I really need to rewrite magiedit
(the code in that is horrible) maybe I could do that instead.
xqtr wrote to apam <=-
because python is script language. just that makes a difference in a lo
of things, but no one pays attention to that cause now days we have
cpus that run at 3+gh.
I think it's a case for different tools for different jobs. For example, you say python is very good for making quick "proof of concept" things etc. I used python for the ftp transfer part of my mnet utils because it was quick and easy to get going, it works and as you say we have fast computers now days and it's not an application that's continuously running, I don't think it really matters that it's a script.
I learned pascal in 1998 and used it for a little while, but after learning C I really don't remember any of it, so I can't make a comment
on Pascal being good or bad.
I'm sure that's partly true, but things get famous for a reason. I think python's claim to fame is that it's easy to learn, and a good starting place for beginner programs. One time this would be BASIC, but not so
much anymore.
Sure i agree, this was the whole concept of Python.. making things quick and dirty but in some "cost". Because now the "cost" is minimal, people think that python is a "badass programming language", which is not. :)
Python is not good for learning programmin... my opinion. Its not structured programming. You declare variables and functions all over the place and debugging is hard. Pascal is a very good lang. to learn how to make programs the right way... after that you can go to script langs and do whatever.
Because younger people introduced to python/javascript very early and don't learn pascal or another strict structured lang first, languages
like python, javascript, java, became "famous" and even C is loosing in "popularity".
I'd argue that C losing popularity isn't all bad. It's dangerous, is frequently used incorrectly, and really is not necessary this day in age for most purposes, unless you're writing device drivers.
Java, for most people looking for employability, is king. If I knew 20 years ago what I know now, I'd have spent more time learning java and jumpstart my career into something more relevant than trying to figure
out what pointers are doing and where memory is being leaked in my
crappy C programs.
Exactly that! because today someone with knowledge in java/script can
find more easy a job, than in C... new people tend to learn ONLY
those... which is a big mistake, in my opinion.
Exactly that! because today someone with knowledge in java/script can
find more easy a job, than in C... new people tend to learn ONLY
those... which is a big mistake, in my opinion.
A similar example... in HAM radio, at least in Greece, when you take the exam for the more advance license, you don't have to learn Morse code anymore... in the past it was mandatory to know it. The result... more
ham radio operators but with less knowledge of things... and one of
their big argument to be a ham radio op. is to help in ex. natural disasters and so... but what if the network is down? and you would be
able to transmit only in morse? for example? the same thing applies to many preppers/ham operators...
So the void that is being created and the lack of C programmers, it may hunt as in the future.
People are used to machines with many MIPS and
don't understand that the first cpus in space were 8086s ;)
[...] The same
applies in internet bandwidth... we use too much! for stupid things like movies/porn and don't understand that with much less we can do great things. Thats a reason i like textmode/bbsing ;)
I've heard this argument many times in the amateur radio
community and it is, frankly, kind of silly. Knowing Morse
code doesn't mean you actually know more about how radios
That's simply not true. The Gemini digital computer was
the first "CPU" in space and was most certainly not an 8086;
it predated that by over a decade. The Apollo guidance
I've heard this argument many times in the amateur radio
community and it is, frankly, kind of silly. Knowing Morse
code doesn't mean you actually know more about how radios
Its not about using morse code, as it is to know from where we've
started, knowing also the past and being respectful on what we have
today. Not just in communications but in many sort of things. :)
It was a metaphoric example ? if i am saying it right... not an actual fact :) it seems you know a lot about :)
For all the rest you said... i have to understand them first!
Ah, so homage to history? That's certainly important, thoughyep... a balance is sure needed. But i think right now, we are off-balanced by scraping all the "old-stuff". The son of a good friend is studying computer science in a local university, he is in his second half of the first year, and when i asked him what a byte/bit is, he couldn't answer. So i think some
I think sometimes we take it too far. Here in the US, in amateur
radio, one finds all these crusty old dudes tearing down the
newer hams over silly things: "Well, _I_ had to take a 20 WPM
code test to get MY extra license, but you're No-Code, so your
license doesn't mean as much as mine...." Stuff like that. It's
silly.
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