• Day 4: Network Babble

    From apam@21:1/125 to All on Fri May 25 14:04:14 2018
    Hey

    Last night I got FTN<->Mnet working meaning there are now 2 happynets one
    on FTN and one on MNET and the one happynet area is shared between the
    two.

    Kind of like WWIVnet-FTN.

    Anyway, what's the point? Apart from experimenting, and learning about challenges with coming up with a network, not much really.

    So where to from here?

    I think there needs to be a better transport than binkd, something that
    checks a mail is actually from who it says it's from (otherwise someone
    could craft packets to unsub/sub other systems to areas).

    Is it worth pursuing though? I don't know.

    Andrew

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  • From Bill McGarrity@21:2/141 to apam on Fri May 25 06:40:00 2018
    apam wrote to All on 05-25-18 14:04 <=-

    Hey

    Last night I got FTN<->Mnet working meaning there are now 2 happynets
    one on FTN and one on MNET and the one happynet area is shared between
    the two.

    Kind of like WWIVnet-FTN.

    Anyway, what's the point? Apart from experimenting, and learning about challenges with coming up with a network, not much really.

    So where to from here?

    I think there needs to be a better transport than binkd, something that checks a mail is actually from who it says it's from (otherwise someone could craft packets to unsub/sub other systems to areas).

    Is it worth pursuing though? I don't know.

    That's why binkd has session passwords and your tosser should have packet passwords.


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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Bill McGarrity on Fri May 25 21:28:02 2018
    I think there needs to be a better transport than binkd, somethin checks a mail is actually from who it says it's from (otherwise s could craft packets to unsub/sub other systems to areas).

    Is it worth pursuing though? I don't know.

    That's why binkd has session passwords and your tosser should have
    packet passwords.

    Yes, but I'm not talking about improving binkd for use with FTN, it
    already works well. I'm referring to my network needing a different kind
    of transport rather than using binkd (which binkd isn't designed for).

    Andrew


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  • From Bill McGarrity@21:2/141 to apam on Fri May 25 15:17:00 2018
    apam wrote to Bill McGarrity on 05-25-18 21:28 <=-

    I think there needs to be a better transport than binkd, somethin checks a mail is actually from who it says it's from (otherwise s could craft packets to unsub/sub other systems to areas).

    Is it worth pursuing though? I don't know.

    That's why binkd has session passwords and your tosser should have
    packet passwords.

    Yes, but I'm not talking about improving binkd for use with FTN, it already works well. I'm referring to my network needing a different
    kind of transport rather than using binkd (which binkd isn't designed for).

    Ahhh.. ok. Why not use FTP then?


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  • From Tiny@21:1/130.4 to apam on Fri May 25 21:39:54 2018
    Quoting apam to All <=-

    Is it worth pursuing though? I don't know.

    Yes it's worth pursuing, but I'm going to make a suggestion. Start early
    to make it something that can work with ANY package. That's why FTN was
    always the "market leader" it was done external of most packages.

    At least that's my thought man. Feel free to ignore me. ;)

    Shawn

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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Tiny on Sat May 26 09:56:36 2018
    Quoting apam to All <=-

    Is it worth pursuing though? I don't know.

    Yes it's worth pursuing, but I'm going to make a suggestion. Start
    early
    to make it something that can work with ANY package. That's why
    FTN was
    always the "market leader" it was done external of most packages.

    That's kind of what I did with the mystic utilities, but it works with
    any JAM message bases. Even being external there's only so much I can do
    with regards to integrating with different message bases.

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Bill McGarrity on Sat May 26 10:06:42 2018
    Yes, but I'm not talking about improving binkd for use with FTN, already works well. I'm referring to my network needing a differe
    kind of transport rather than using binkd (which binkd isn't desi for).

    Ahhh.. ok. Why not use FTP then?

    I did actually think about using FTP, and it would work, but I'm not sure
    how to set it up. It would need a login for each node, and r/w access to
    each node's out directory, and the client would need to delete the file
    from the server after downloading.

    I guess the seperate logins would be easy enough, as well as seperate permissions, I'm just not sure how to script the client to delete files
    after downloading it.

    Hmm, then there is the possibility of nodes deleting other peoples
    packets in the inbound directory, as they would need write access to
    upload their own packets.

    I'll have to think about it some more.. thanks for the suggestion!

    Andrew

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Tiny on Sat May 26 16:29:06 2018
    On 05/25/18, Tiny pondered and said...

    Yes it's worth pursuing, but I'm going to make a suggestion. Start early to make it something that can work with ANY package. That's why

    Agree with this idea :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Sat May 26 16:37:30 2018
    On 05/26/18, apam pondered and said...

    That's kind of what I did with the mystic utilities, but it works with

    Sorry which Mystic utils are these you speak of? Just confused :)

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to apam on Sat May 26 16:38:50 2018
    On 05/26/18, apam pondered and said...

    Yes, but I'm not talking about improving binkd for use with FTN, already works well. I'm referring to my network needing a differe kind of transport rather than using binkd (which binkd isn't desi for).

    Ahhh.. ok. Why not use FTP then?

    I did actually think about using FTP, and it would work, but I'm not sure how to set it up. It would need a login for each node, and r/w access to each node's out directory, and the client would need to delete the file from the server after downloading.

    I'd like to see something different that could be seen to be secure point to point in terms of man in the middle stuff on the internet... just not sure
    what that should be and how...

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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Avon on Sat May 26 14:43:46 2018

    On 05/26/18, apam pondered and said...

    That's kind of what I did with the mystic utilities, but it works

    Sorry which Mystic utils are these you speak of? Just confused :)

    Oh, I wrote a scanner / tosser for my system that works on mystic (or any
    JAM based message base I think). I've not kept it up to date as I've been improving the system though.

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Avon on Sat May 26 16:46:26 2018
    Oh, I wrote a scanner / tosser for my system that works on mystic (or
    any JAM based message base I think). I've not kept it up to date as
    I've been improving the system though.

    I've now updated it.

    Andrew

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to apam on Fri May 25 23:47:30 2018
    Re: RE: Day 4: Network Babble
    By: apam to Bill McGarrity on Sat May 26 2018 10:06 am

    Hmm, then there is the possibility of nodes deleting other peoples
    packets in the inbound directory, as they would need write access to upload their own packets.

    Many years ago when I used FTP the host I was getting files from gave me (after log in) an in and out directory. I placed mail for his node in the in directory and grabbed and deleted the files in the out directory.

    I'd still do that today if I had an FTP link but everyone seems to have moved to binkp nowadays.

    I've never tried it but I think Mystic will do those sort of FTP sessions.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Bill McGarrity@21:2/141 to apam on Sat May 26 08:05:00 2018
    apam wrote to Bill McGarrity on 05-26-18 10:06 <=-

    Yes, but I'm not talking about improving binkd for use with FTN, already works well. I'm referring to my network needing a differe
    kind of transport rather than using binkd (which binkd isn't desi for).

    Ahhh.. ok. Why not use FTP then?

    I did actually think about using FTP, and it would work, but I'm not
    sure how to set it up. It would need a login for each node, and r/w
    access to each node's out directory, and the client would need to
    delete the file from the server after downloading.

    I guess the seperate logins would be easy enough, as well as seperate permissions, I'm just not sure how to script the client to delete files after downloading it.

    Hmm, then there is the possibility of nodes deleting other peoples
    packets in the inbound directory, as they would need write access to upload their own packets.

    I'll have to think about it some more.. thanks for the suggestion!

    All you'd have to do is structure it off of a QWK style network. FTP connection made, login performed, an upload of a REP pkt and then download of a QWK pkt. Naturally, scanning of the message base would be necessary for each call. Synchronet uses QNET-FTP.bin (baja file) to perform this task.




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  • From apam@21:1/125 to Bill McGarrity on Sat May 26 23:19:10 2018
    All you'd have to do is structure it off of a QWK style network. FTP connection made, login performed, an upload of a REP pkt and then
    download of a QWK pkt. Naturally, scanning of the message base would
    be necessary for each call. Synchronet uses QNET-FTP.bin (baja file)
    to perform this task.

    I've got something working now, I wrote a special ftp server and client
    and it seems to do exactly what I hoped.. only being ftp it's not
    encrypted, so that's a challenge for another day :)

    Andrew

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  • From Bill McGarrity@21:2/141 to apam on Sat May 26 14:19:00 2018
    apam wrote to Bill McGarrity on 05-26-18 23:19 <=-


    I've got something working now, I wrote a special ftp server and client and it seems to do exactly what I hoped.. only being ftp it's not encrypted, so that's a challenge for another day :)

    Great... good luck with it.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to apam on Sat May 26 14:18:58 2018
    Re: RE: Day 4: Network Babble
    By: apam to Bill McGarrity on Sat May 26 2018 11:19 pm

    I've got something working now, I wrote a special ftp server and client and it seems to do exactly what I hoped.. only being ftp it's not encrypted, so that's a challenge for another day :)

    What do you think about the CRYPT option of binkd that it uses with the binkp protocol?

    I know binkd and binkit support that. It uses the algo from pkzip so it's not a new thing.. dunno how strong it is but all traffic is encrypted when in that mode.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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