i wonder ... will the moon colonists telnet to bbs
or stream youtube?

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On 02/06/18, shinobi said the following...

i wonder ... will the moon colonists telnet to bbs
or stream youtube?

Interesting question. The speed of light is going to be the bottleneck for
the interplanetary Internet. The Moon is probably the only extraterrestrial body that could experience 'real-time' communication to the Earth. The round trip delay is 1.3 seconds. To Mars it's between 3 and 21 minutes, depending
on it's location in it's orbit. If we had a colony on a Jovian moon, that
delay goes to 33-53 minutes.

Ian

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Interesting question. The speed of light is going to be the bottleneck
for the interplanetary Internet. The Moon is probably the only extraterrestrial body that could experience 'real-time' communication to the Earth. The round trip delay is 1.3 seconds. To Mars it's between 3 and 21 minutes, depending on it's location in it's orbit. If we had a colony on a Jovian moon, that delay goes to 33-53 minutes.

From what I know. There is something planned like inter-galactic Internet.
And it's base is simply put routers on the pathway of information signal.
I'm not sure how it is in theory but my imagination says the connection
could be routed on the way. However it really doesn't solve the trouble
of having delay in the minutes intervals or so.

I'm sure QWK will get handy at that case. :-)

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On 02/07/18, shinobi said the following...

From what I know. There is something planned like inter-galactic
Internet. And it's base is simply put routers on the pathway of information signal. I'm not sure how it is in theory but my imagination says the connection could be routed on the way. However it really
doesn't solve the trouble of having delay in the minutes intervals or so.

I have read about designing an inter-planetary Internet - the thought of our traffic going between planets is very pleasing to me.

I'm sure QWK will get handy at that case. :-)

Batching our traffic like we used to do with technologgies like QWK is
probably one solution. It's funny how what's old is new again :)

Ian

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The internet galactic delay between Earth and the Moon, or Earth and Mars can be overcome with maintaining a stable wormhole through a Stargate,

We just need to reactivate StarGate Command and get General O'Neal back on
the program.

Problem solved.

Beery

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On 02/07/18, Beery said the following...

We just need to reactivate StarGate Command and get General O'Neal back
on the program.

Who's going to call NASA?

Ian

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On 02/07/18, shinobi said the following...

From what I know. There is something planned like inter-galactic
Internet. And it's base is simply put routers on the pathway of information signal. I'm not sure how it is in theory but my imagination says the connection could be routed on the way. However it really
doesn't solve the trouble of having delay in the minutes intervals or so.

Wouldn't quantum computing solve this? I thought the idea was with superposition and entanglement that instantly the data reaches the it's destination.

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On 02/07/18, Ian McLaughlin said the following...

On 02/07/18, Beery said the following...

We just need to reactivate StarGate Command and get General O'Neal ba on the program.

Who's going to call NASA?

Just send a tweet or something to the NASA guy with the faux hawk, I'm sure he'd get the ball rolling.

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Ian McLaughlin wrote to shinobi <=-

On 02/06/18, shinobi said the following...

i wonder ... will the moon colonists telnet to bbs
or stream youtube?

Interesting question. The speed of light is going to be the bottleneck
for the interplanetary Internet. The Moon is probably the only extraterrestrial body that could experience 'real-time' communication
to the Earth. The round trip delay is 1.3 seconds. To Mars it's
between 3 and 21 minutes, depending on it's location in it's orbit. If
we had a colony on a Jovian moon, that delay goes to 33-53 minutes.

Unless we can get a tachyon relay working. :D

The interplanetary Internet could look like Fidonet of old - store and forward communication. Not only because of the delays inherent, but also to maximise the use of communication links, with a polling schedule, high gain antennas can be pointed in the right direction at set times to maximise data throughput.

Things like important YouTube vids could easily be cached by the local gateway for local consumption by a colony in apparent real time, while in reality, it's simply streaming from copy stored on a local server. :)


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shinobi wrote to Ian McLaughlin <=-

From what I know. There is something planned like inter-galactic
Internet. And it's base is simply put routers on the pathway of information signal. I'm not sure how it is in theory but my imagination says the connection could be routed on the way. However it really
doesn't solve the trouble of having delay in the minutes intervals or
so.

I'm sure QWK will get handy at that case. :-)

FTN and NNTP with modified transport protocols will cope with this very well. :) The transport protocols will need FEC and also selective retransmission, so if a block doesn't arrive for some reason, the receiving end can say "Resend block nnnnn" and on the next reply, that block will come. Then the packets can be tossed as per normal. :)


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Beery wrote to Ian McLaughlin <=-

The internet galactic delay between Earth and the Moon, or Earth and
Mars can be overcome with maintaining a stable wormhole through a Stargate,

We just need to reactivate StarGate Command and get General O'Neal back
on the program.

Problem solved.

LOL if only it was that easy. ;)


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Wouldn't quantum computing solve this? I thought the idea was with superposition and entanglement that instantly the data reaches the it's destination.

I'm really sorry. But I'm not that good in the Quantum theory. De-facto I know barely anything about it. However the entanglement should work. That's true. Well.. possible other solution could've been if one would make space drones
and connect them using beam or lasers. That would be speed of light between
the nodes. But I doubt any space drone will be powerful enough to have it's
own laser emitter.

The time will tell. But I hope the moon colonist will connect to fsxNET at first! Long live Network.

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On 02/08/18, shinobi said the following...

I'm really sorry. But I'm not that good in the Quantum theory. De-facto
I know barely anything about it. However the entanglement should work.

AFAIK you can't actually decipher any information from quantum entanglement without knowing something about both particles.

If you interact with one particle and try to observe the second for a result, your observation is also an interaction that changes the outcome in a manner you can't determine without already knowing what was done to the first particle. It's only after you have that information that you can work backwards and figure out both particles did in fact do the spooky thing.

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AFAIK you can't actually decipher any information from quantum entanglement without knowing something about both particles.

If you interact with one particle and try to observe the second for a result, your observation is also an interaction that changes the outcome in a manner you can't determine without already knowing what was done to the first particle. It's only after you have that information that you
can work backwards and figure out both particles did in fact do the
spooky thing.

But back to the original thing. If one would like to transfer message from
one location to another to determine what the message was it would have to
have access to both particles to get the message. Is that right? So if one particle would be on Earth and other on Moon then the message could be de- crypted after both of the particles has been observed at once?

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On 02/08/18, shinobi said the following...

So if one particle would be on Earth and other on Moon then the message could be de- crypted after both of the particles has been observed at once?

The receiving end needs knowledge of both particles before it can know its
end was affected by the sending end. And that info has to take the "slow"
lane there. It's also impossible to ensure simultaneity at both ends at this scale across large distances due to relativity.

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