• Point Addresses

    From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to All on Sun Dec 31 15:22:24 2017
    Question regarding FTN Point addresses. Is a "Point" in "modern" terms essentially a user ID on a particular BBS?

    E.g. if sending a NetMail to user "foo" at 1:170/918 who has the user ID of 15,
    their point is 15? and thus foo@1:170/919.15?

    Maybe I'm mixing up things. I never had a NetMail address back in the day, so ...






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  • From Black Panther@21:1/186 to NuSkooler on Sun Dec 31 15:37:26 2017
    On 12/31/17, NuSkooler said the following...

    Question regarding FTN Point addresses. Is a "Point" in "modern" terms essentially a user ID on a particular BBS?

    E.g. if sending a NetMail to user "foo" at 1:170/918 who has the user ID of 15, their point is 15? and thus foo@1:170/919.15?

    Maybe I'm mixing up things. I never had a NetMail address back in the
    day, so ...

    In your example of 1:170/918.15, the .15 would actually be another system connecting to /918. In my case here. I am node 21:1/186. My Pi system is set
    up with Mystic as well. I didn't want to create another node for the part
    time system, so I set it up as a point system off of my main BBS. The address for the Pi is then 21:1/186.1.

    I hope that made sense... :)


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to NuSkooler on Sun Dec 31 14:42:24 2017
    Re: Point Addresses
    By: NuSkooler to All on Sun Dec 31 2017 03:22 pm

    Question regarding FTN Point addresses. Is a "Point" in "modern" terms essentially a user ID on a particular BBS?

    No, a point is a node you setup like any other but they don't have a node number so you can add them as a point of your own node.

    I've had a few points over the years, usually people who are heavy network posters who don't want to go through a BBS. They setup on their end in the same way as a node (with their point address) with whatever software they choose.

    I also use a point for testing and looking at different software to see how it works.

    Any node can do this. You'll likely see 21:4/106.1 around these parts at some time.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


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  • From Static@21:2/140 to NuSkooler on Sun Dec 31 18:01:34 2017
    On 12/31/17, NuSkooler said the following...

    Question regarding FTN Point addresses. Is a "Point" in "modern" terms essentially a user ID on a particular BBS?

    A point is just a FTN system you're directly providing a feed to, without that system needing to have their own node on the network. Historically the main
    use case for this would be supplying a user who wants to use their own mail tosser/mail reader setup instead of logging on to your BBS to browse your message areas or download QWK packets. It's also how mail-only nodes with
    users operated since they didn't actually run BBSes. The point number is arbitrarily chosen by you and isn't tied to anything in particular.

    Most networks (particularly Fidonet) consider a point to be the same any user of your node, meaning you are still responsible for their conduct on the network.

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  • From g00r00@21:1/108 to NuSkooler on Sun Dec 31 19:17:32 2017
    Question regarding FTN Point addresses. Is a "Point" in "modern" terms essentially a user ID on a particular BBS?

    E.g. if sending a NetMail to user "foo" at 1:170/918 who has the user ID of 15, their point is 15? and thus foo@1:170/919.15?

    No, a point is a whole subsystem that connects to its master address (the non-point system). In terms of implementation points need to be handled differently when addressing because certain MSG formats don't always have point information (so kludges are used), and the BSO naming conversions for directories and files are all different as well (for point vs non-point).

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to All on Mon Jan 1 12:46:58 2018
    Thanks everyone for your feedback on this, very helpful! I was under the assumption that a point automatically identified a end user, but it's much more
    opaque than that.

    ...think I'll be able to send out some test packets now with that info.




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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to NuSkooler on Mon Jan 8 16:01:38 2018
    On 12/31/17, NuSkooler said the following...

    Question regarding FTN Point addresses. Is a "Point" in "modern" terms essentially a user ID on a particular BBS?

    A point is a system that handles mail through a boss node.

    For instance: I am writing this message through a small Mystic build running into my Macbook. I call it Chiron BBS, but it is not open to anyone
    but me (I run it locally), and I exchange mail with the boss node, which is Saturn's Orbit BBS. Therefore, as Saturn's Orbit is 21:1/146, Chiron is
    running under 21:1/146.1.

    If someone would like to send me a netmail, it should go to fsxNET HUB (21:1/100), then it would go to Saturn's Orbit (21:1/146) and then it should
    go to Chiron. I have another system, Themis, that is setup into a Ubuntu VM that I use occasionally for fun, and it has the address 21:1/146.2.

    Back in the dial-up days, there were people that would like to use only
    the echomail part of the BBS, and they wanted to use their phone lines in an effective way, so they would set up points and get their feed from a friendly BBS.

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    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to NuSkooler on Mon Jan 8 16:04:48 2018
    On 01/01/18, NuSkooler said the following...

    Thanks everyone for your feedback on this, very helpful! I was under the assumption that a point automatically identified a end user, but it's
    much more opaque than that.

    There used to be a different nodelist to handle points, called PointList.

    People from Fido Region 2 (Europe) still handles it occasionaly. It's a small nodelist with the info related to how many points it does have, their operator and system names.

    I started to read about it, but as Mystic doesn't handle pointlists (only nodelists), I never finshed it.

    Feel free to netmail me if you want to test it.

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    Regards from Nighthawk - AKA Flavio Bessa
    Sysop of Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to Nighthawk on Thu Jan 25 21:26:54 2018
    On Thursday, January 25th Nighthawk muttered...
    A point is a system that handles mail through a boss node.

    Thanks for the lengthy explination. I think I have everything squared away at this point. I think the last part about people wanting direct NetMails is why I
    was thinking they were related to a user ID previously.



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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nighthawk on Fri Jan 26 15:50:00 2018
    Nighthawk wrote to NuSkooler <=-

    Back in the dial-up days, there were people that would like to use only the echomail part of the BBS, and they wanted to use their phone lines in an effective way, so they would set up points and get their
    feed from a friendly BBS.

    I used to run a point, so I couls automatically collect mail from 2 or 3 BBSs and have it there ready to read. I initially used Bluewave to read it through my Bluewave offline door, but eventually switched to using GoldEd.


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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to NuSkooler on Sun Jan 28 20:37:38 2018
    On 01/25/18, NuSkooler said the following...

    Thanks for the lengthy explination. I think I have everything squared
    away at this point. I think the last part about people wanting direct NetMails is why I was thinking they were related to a user ID previously.

    Cool! Looking forward to have netmails running at ENiGMA! ;)

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    Regards from Nighthawk - AKA Flavio Bessa
    Sysop of Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to Vk3jed on Sun Jan 28 20:39:10 2018
    On 01/26/18, Vk3jed said the following...

    I used to run a point, so I couls automatically collect mail from 2 or 3 BBSs and have it there ready to read. I initially used Bluewave to read it through my Bluewave offline door, but eventually switched to using GoldEd.

    I have, as of today, two point systems at the same laptop: One for
    FidoNET, running Crashmail/binkp/GoldED, and the other running Mystic, in
    which I am replying to this message. :)

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    Regards from Nighthawk - AKA Flavio Bessa
    Sysop of Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nighthawk on Mon Jan 29 21:13:00 2018
    Nighthawk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I have, as of today, two point systems at the same laptop: One for FidoNET, running Crashmail/binkp/GoldED, and the other running Mystic,
    in which I am replying to this message. :)

    I use the BBSs as my base, and interact with them using offline mail.


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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to Vk3jed on Tue Feb 6 23:10:32 2018
    On 01/29/18, Vk3jed said the following...

    I have, as of today, two point systems at the same laptop: One fo FidoNET, running Crashmail/binkp/GoldED, and the other running Mystic in which I am replying to this message. :)

    I use the BBSs as my base, and interact with them using offline mail.

    I used to do that at the beginning, but started to experience those QWK-related bugs with Mystic (same message id that got fixed at A35), so I
    had to be creative.

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    Regards from Nighthawk - AKA Flavio Bessa
    Sysop of Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nighthawk on Wed Feb 7 20:15:00 2018
    Nighthawk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I used to do that at the beginning, but started to experience those QWK-related bugs with Mystic (same message id that got fixed at A35),
    so I had to be creative.

    I had Synchronet, but since A35's bugfix has really made a difference to Mystic's QWK support, which has been rock solid since.


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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to Vk3jed on Mon Feb 12 15:47:52 2018
    On 02/07/18, Vk3jed said the following...

    I had Synchronet, but since A35's bugfix has really made a difference to Mystic's QWK support, which has been rock solid since.

    Indeed. Now I am having issues with a few JAM areas and lastread
    pointers.. I think I will just reset everything and try it again.

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    Regards from Nighthawk - AKA Flavio Bessa
    Sysop of Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nighthawk on Wed Feb 14 08:21:00 2018
    Nighthawk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 02/07/18, Vk3jed said the following...

    I had Synchronet, but since A35's bugfix has really made a difference to Mystic's QWK support, which has been rock solid since.

    Indeed. Now I am having issues with a few JAM areas and lastread pointers.. I think I will just reset everything and try it again.

    I had that issues with pre-A35 versions, but recent Mystic releases have been no issue for me with lastread pointers.


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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to Vk3jed on Wed Feb 14 10:50:16 2018
    On 02/14/18, Vk3jed said the following...

    I had that issues with pre-A35 versions, but recent Mystic releases have been no issue for me with lastread pointers.

    For some weird reason, my two biggest message areas (from Fidonet BR) are not storing the lastread pointers. I think I'll run some message base maintenance tools and see what happens.

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    Regards from Nighthawk - AKA Flavio Bessa
    Sysop of Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nighthawk on Thu Feb 15 19:43:00 2018
    Nighthawk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    For some weird reason, my two biggest message areas (from Fidonet
    BR) are not storing the lastread pointers. I think I'll run some
    message base maintenance tools and see what happens.

    Sounds a little different to my issue. I found I was not getting all of the messages I should have been, and had to manually set the lastread pointers
    ack.


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  • From Nighthawk@21:1/146.1 to Vk3jed on Thu Feb 15 10:03:18 2018
    On 02/15/18, Vk3jed said the following...

    Sounds a little different to my issue. I found I was not getting all of the messages I should have been, and had to manually set the lastread pointers ack.

    Yes, it is... Somehow I believe that in my cases both JAM areas got corrupted, I'll try to run some maintenance into it and see what happens.

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    Sysop of Saturn's Orbit BBS - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
    fcbessa@gmail.com - saturnsorbit.hopto.org

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nighthawk on Fri Feb 16 20:36:00 2018
    Nighthawk wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    On 02/15/18, Vk3jed said the following...

    Sounds a little different to my issue. I found I was not getting all of the messages I should have been, and had to manually set the lastread pointers ack.

    Yes, it is... Somehow I believe that in my cases both JAM areas got corrupted, I'll try to run some maintenance into it and see what
    happens.

    Hopefully thatill fix it. :)


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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to Avon on Fri Dec 13 19:32:48 2019
    Question Paul

    Do you do any QWK on you servers?

    Thanks....


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Havok on Sat Dec 14 20:23:00 2019
    On 12-13-19 19:32, Havok wrote to Avon <=-

    Question Paul

    Do you do any QWK on you servers?

    What exactly are you asking? Can you please elaborate?


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Havok on Thu Dec 26 10:01:22 2019
    On 13 Dec 2019 at 07:32p, Havok pondered and said...

    Question Paul
    Do you do any QWK on you servers?
    Thanks....

    In short no, it's not something I have played with. Sorry.

    Apologies for the delay in reply... I'm just catching up on echomail today.

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  • From Havok@21:4/119 to Avon on Wed Dec 25 17:47:50 2019
    In short no, it's not something I have played with. Sorry.

    Merry Christmas to you and your family first!

    Has anyone made or said anything about a wish list?

    I know everyone has been talking about bink security but what about other things? Like my pick QWK and sub domains for the web side.

    Thanks...


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  • From apam@21:1/126.1 to All on Thu Mar 19 20:22:30 2020
    If you're reading this, I got QWK working in Ghost!

    :P

    Andrew

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  • From Netsurge@21:4/154 to apam on Thu Mar 19 11:25:52 2020
    If you're reading this, I got QWK working in Ghost!

    Nope, didn't read it at all.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to apam on Thu Mar 19 08:33:12 2020
    If you're reading this, I got QWK working in Ghost!

    Looks good to me.. :)

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  • From -= Havok =-@21:4/10 to apam on Thu Mar 19 16:08:00 2020
    Re: QWK
    By: apam to All on Thu Mar 19 2020 08:22 pm

    If you're reading this, I got QWK working in Ghost!

    Sweet!

    -= Havok =-

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to apam on Thu Mar 19 15:45:00 2020
    apam wrote to All <=-

    If you're reading this, I got QWK working in Ghost!

    You sure have!


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to apam on Fri Mar 20 15:29:00 2020
    On 03-19-20 20:22, apam wrote to All <=-

    If you're reading this, I got QWK working in Ghost!

    Cool! :D


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  • From -= Havok =-@21:4/10 to apam on Thu Mar 19 16:08:20 2020
    112
    Re: QWK
    By: apam to All on Thu Mar 19 2020 08:22 pm

    If you're reading this, I got QWK working in Ghost!

    Sweet!

    -= Havok =-

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