• The Federation

    From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to All on Sun Nov 22 07:08:20 2020
    Hello, All.

    I was reading some things on Quora.com earlier. One question struck me as very oddly worded.

    I'm assuming that it has to do with the series Picard.

    "Did Admiral Picard come to understand that the Federation in the end turned out to be a Utopia that expelled him?"

    As far as I recall, and without giving away spoilers, Picard wasn't expelled by the Federation, or by Starfleet for that matter. He resigned his commission or retired. From Starfleet, which is not the Federation, but a part of the Federation.

    I see two answers posted, both say that the question isn't what happened. But neither really address the fact that there is a difference between the Federation and Starfleet.

    Is it just me, or is it really that common a thought that they are one and the same?
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  • From Charles Stephenson@1:226/17 to Charles Pierson on Wed Nov 25 14:50:08 2020
    Re: The Federation
    By: Charles Pierson to All on Sun Nov 22 2020 07:08 am

    As far as I recall, and without giving away spoilers, Picard wasn't expelled by the Federation, or by Starfleet for that matter. He resigned his commission or retired. From Starfleet, which is not the Federation, but a part of the Federation.

    That was my understanding as well


    I see two answers posted, both say that the question isn't what happened. But neither really address the fact that there is a difference between
    the
    Federation and Starfleet.

    Is it just me, or is it really that common a thought that they are one
    and
    the same?

    Right, Starfleet pretty much is Earth(realm). Like the 'new' NASA. The Federation is like NATO... hundreds of planets (?)
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  • From Charles Pierson@1:229/426.67 to Charles Stephenson on Wed Nov 25 16:15:49 2020
    Hello, Charles Stephenson.
    On 11/25/20 2:50 PM you wrote:

    Is it just me, or is it really that common a thought that they
    are one and the same?
    Right, Starfleet pretty much is Earth(realm). Like the 'new' NASA.
    The Federation is like NATO... hundreds of planets (?)

    I was thinking more like the UN, but yes.

    On a couple of other places that I posed this question, people replied that it's possible that people think this because we pretty much only see things through Starfleet's point of view. You see very little of normal everyday life.

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  • From Benjamin Toussaint@2:240/8001.19 to Charles Pierson on Mon Nov 30 19:52:00 2020
    Hello, Charles Stephenson.
    On 11/25/20 2:50 PM you wrote:

    Is it just me, or is it really that common a thought that they
    are one and the same?
    Right, Starfleet pretty much is Earth(realm). Like the 'new' NASA.
    The Federation is like NATO... hundreds of planets (?)

    I was thinking more like the UN, but yes.

    On a couple of other places that I posed this question, people replied that it's possible that people think this because we pretty much only see things through Starfleet's point of view. You see very little of normal everyday life.

    I always thought that Starfleet was the "military" and exploring
    organization (like the Navy) and the Federation was the entire "country" consisting of hundreds of planets.

    Regular civilian citizens are not necessarily members of starfleet, but of the federation.


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  • From Charles Pierson@1:153/757.26 to Benjamin Toussaint on Mon Nov 30 22:05:50 2020
    On 30 Nov 2020, Benjamin Toussaint said the following...
    I always thought that Starfleet was the "military" and exploring organization (like the Navy) and the Federation was the entire "country" consisting of hundreds of planets.

    Regular civilian citizens are not necessarily members of starfleet, but
    of the federation.


    That's pretty much it. Each planet has it's own government, and sends
    reps to the Federation, who negotiated things between them and with the outside.u

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  • From Charles Stephenson@1:226/17 to Charles Pierson on Tue Dec 1 01:45:32 2020
    Re: The Federation
    By: Charles Pierson to Charles Stephenson on Wed Nov 25 2020 04:15 pm

    On a couple of other places that I posed this question, people replied that it's possible that people think this because we pretty much only see things through Starfleet's point of view. You see very little of normal everyday life.

    That would be a cool base for a new angle in the Star Trek World. I'd watch it.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Benjamin Toussaint on Tue Dec 1 08:40:00 2020
    Benjamin Toussaint wrote to Charles Pierson <=-


    I always thought that Starfleet was the "military" and exploring organization (like the Navy) and the Federation was the entire
    "country" consisting of hundreds of planets.

    Regular civilian citizens are not necessarily members of starfleet, but
    of the federation.

    That's correct. DS9's story arc around an attack on Earth built around
    that idea.



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Charles Stephenson on Tue Dec 1 08:42:00 2020
    Charles Stephenson wrote to Charles Pierson <=-

    Re: The Federation
    By: Charles Pierson to Charles Stephenson on Wed Nov 25 2020 04:15 pm

    On a couple of other places that I posed this question, people replied that it's possible that people think this because we pretty much only see things through Starfleet's point of view. You see very little of normal everyday life.

    That would be a cool base for a new angle in the Star Trek World. I'd watch it.

    The Star Trek: Vanguard series of books builds a lot of detail into
    civilian life, the life of a Federation News Service journalist, the
    co-existence of non-aligned but neutral parties like the Orions, and
    civilian life aboard a space station. They're interesting novels set
    in the TOS timeframe and play around with some of the characters,
    build rich back stories to what were minor characters, and end up
    being an entertaining read and a nice fleshing out of stories, places
    and characters that canon just touched on.




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  • From Charles Stephenson@1:226/17 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Dec 4 10:33:06 2020
    Re: Re: The Federation
    By: Kurt Weiske to Charles Stephenson on Tue Dec 01 2020 08:42 am

    The Star Trek: Vanguard series of books builds a lot of detail into civilian life, the life of a Federation News Service journalist, the co-existence of non-aligned but neutral parties like the Orions, and civilian life aboard a space station. They're interesting novels set
    in the TOS timeframe and play around with some of the characters,
    build rich back stories to what were minor characters, and end up
    being an entertaining read and a nice fleshing out of stories, places
    and characters that canon just touched on.

    I LOVE the Vanguard series!! I found one by accident, it was a TNG book. Data's character was pretty sweet! He was more....'emotional'. He as having2 conflicts with trying to be more human. a part of the book, he was trying to understand sexuality and it was great to see!!
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