• fidonet dupes

    From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to digitalman on Tue Oct 15 15:52:49 2019
    my NC marc lewis is telling me that he is seeing dupes from my end and to check
    my settings, not sure what im looking for

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Tue Oct 15 21:45:47 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to digitalman on Tue Oct 15 2019 03:52 pm

    my NC marc lewis is telling me that he is seeing dupes from my end and to check my settings, not sure what im looking for

    I guess start by reviewing your log files (e.g. data/sbbsecho.log) and see if you see the same messages being repeatedly exported or what.

    digital man

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 16 01:07:53 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to digitalman on Tue Oct 15 2019 03:52 pm

    I guess start by reviewing your log files (e.g. data/sbbsecho.log) and see
    if
    you see the same messages being repeatedly exported or what.

    looked, im only seeing imports not exports

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Wed Oct 16 00:14:16 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Digital Man on Wed Oct 16 2019 01:07 am

    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to digitalman on Tue Oct 15 2019 03:52 pm

    I guess start by reviewing your log files (e.g. data/sbbsecho.log) and
    see
    if you see the same messages being repeatedly exported or what.

    looked, im only seeing imports not exports

    Do you have any details on these dupes - like message-IDs or anything? If your system isn't exporting them, then it's quite possible they're just not coming from your system to begin with.

    digital man

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 16 04:15:46 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Digital Man on Wed Oct 16 2019 01:07 am

    Do you have any details on these dupes - like message-IDs or anything? If your system isn't exporting them, then it's quite possible they're just not coming from your system to begin with.

    not really this is the message i got from marc

    From: Marc Lewis <Marc Lewis@1:396/45> on Tue Oct 15 11:54:42 2019

    Subject: Dupes
    Hello Richard!

    I am getting Dupes from your system, most notably in the COOKING echo. Please check your tosser configuration.

    Many thanks!

    Best regards,
    Marc

    digital man

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  • From Nelgin@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Wed Oct 16 12:16:44 2019
    Richard wrote:
    my NC marc lewis is telling me that he is seeing dupes from my end and to
    check
    my settings, not sure what im looking for

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    I'm getting the same thing.

    Check your binkd/binkit or whatever logs

    /var/log/binkd/binkd.1:+ 10 Oct 19:46:55 [443] done (from 1:128/187@fidonet, OK, S/R: 1/0 (774/0 bytes))


    It looks like 1:128/187 may be misconfigured. I didn't know who the sysop
    was yesterday and sent a netmail. I just looked it up and it's Terry
    Barlow's Colorado Springs board.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Wed Oct 16 10:54:37 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Digital Man on Wed Oct 16 2019 04:15 am

    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Digital Man on Wed Oct 16 2019 01:07 am

    Do you have any details on these dupes - like message-IDs or anything? If your system isn't exporting them, then it's quite possible they're just not coming from your system to begin with.

    not really this is the message i got from marc

    From: Marc Lewis <Marc Lewis@1:396/45> on Tue Oct 15 11:54:42 2019

    Subject: Dupes
    Hello Richard!

    I am getting Dupes from your system, most notably in the COOKING echo. Please check your tosser configuration.

    Many thanks!

    Best regards,
    Marc

    It's quite possible that Marc is wrong. Ask for details or just ignore him. Your choice.

    digital man

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Nelgin on Wed Oct 16 13:25:18 2019
    is there a binkit log or is that sbbsecho.log

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 16 13:37:45 2019
    i have sent marc asking for the info

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Wed Oct 16 12:06:13 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Nelgin on Wed Oct 16 2019 01:25 pm

    is there a binkit log or is that sbbsecho.log

    Your inbound BinkIt connections are logged where your Synchronet services are logged:

    10/16 11:52:28a 8516 BINKP connection accepted from: 67.180.133.226 port 63147
    10/16 11:52:29a 8516 BINKP Hostname: c-67-180-133-226.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.133.226]
    10/16 11:52:30a 8516 BINKP BinkIT/2.27 invoked with options:
    10/16 11:52:30a 8516 BINKP JSBinkP/1.121 inbound connection from 67.180.133.226:63147
    10/16 11:52:31a 8516 BINKP Peer version: BinkIT/2.27,JSBinkP/1.118,sbbs3.17c/Win32 binkp/1.1
    10/16 11:52:31a 8516 BINKP Remote addresses: 1:10/1@fidonet 1:10/0@fidonet 1:218/700@fidonet 1:218/1@fidonet 1:218/0@fidonet 46:1/115@agoranet 10:102/6@araknet 21:4/122@fsxnet 618:300/16@micronet 618:300/1@micronet 700:100/20@spooknet 9:91/4@survnet
    10/16 11:52:31a 8516 BINKP Inbound session for: 1:218/700@fidonet
    10/16 11:52:31a 8516 BINKP CRAM-MD5 password match for 1:218/700@fidonet
    10/16 11:52:31a 8516 BINKP service thread terminated (0 clients remain, 1 total, 1668 served)

    For outbound connections, BinkIt logs where your "Events" are logged:

    10/16 12:03:26p BINKPOLL BinkIT/2.27 invoked with options: -p
    10/16 12:03:28p BINKPOLL Attempting poll for node 1:218/700@fidonet
    10/16 12:03:28p BINKPOLL JSBinkP/1.121 callout to 1:218/700@fidonet started
    10/16 12:03:28p BINKPOLL Connecting to 1:218/700@fidonet at f700.n218.z1.binkp.net:24554
    10/16 12:03:30p BINKPOLL Peer version: BinkIT/2.27,JSBinkP/1.118,sbbs3.17c/Win32 binkp/1.1
    10/16 12:03:30p BINKPOLL Authentication successful: secure
    10/16 12:03:30p BINKPOLL Attempting poll for node 1:103/13@fidonet
    10/16 12:03:30p BINKPOLL JSBinkP/1.121 callout to 1:103/13@fidonet started
    10/16 12:03:30p BINKPOLL Connecting to 1:103/13@fidonet at f13.n103.z1.binkp.net:24554
    10/16 12:03:30p BINKPOLL Peer version: BinkIT/2.27,JSBinkP/1.121,sbbs3.17c/FreeBSD binkp/1.1
    10/16 12:03:30p BINKPOLL Authentication successful: secure
    10/16 12:03:31p Timed event: BINKPOLL returned 0

    So, if you're running Windows, likely your Synchronet Control Panel "Events" and "Services" tabs. If you're running *nix, then your Synchronet syslog output.
    http://wiki.synchro.net/monitor:index

    digital man

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Tue Oct 22 09:13:27 2019
    humm
    i think i got some info on the fidonet dupes
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Unpacking bundle: /home/richard/sbbs/fido/inbound/00090014.TUX (7.7KB)
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Importing /home/richard/sbbs/fido/inbound/daf19d44.pkt (Type 2+, 17.8KB) from 1:396/45 to 1:387/25
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Imported: 5 msgs fidonet_cooking <- COOKING
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Imported: 5 msgs total
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Sending packet (/home/richard/sbbs/temp/sbbsecho/5daf0beb.pkt, 17.9KB) from 1:387/25 to 1:396/45
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 File (../fido/outbound/5daf0beb.pkt, 17.9KB) for 1:396/45 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/018c002d.flo
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 SBBSecho (PID 29126) exiting with error level 0, Bundles(1 unpacked, 0 sent), Packets(1 imported, 1 sent), EchoMail(5 imported, 0 exported)
    everything else isn't doing a flo file

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Tue Oct 22 10:46:51 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Digital Man on Tue Oct 22 2019 09:13 am

    humm
    i think i got some info on the fidonet dupes
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Unpacking bundle: /home/richard/sbbs/fido/inbound/00090014.TUX (7.7KB)
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Importing /home/richard/sbbs/fido/inbound/daf19d44.pkt (Type 2+, 17.8KB) from 1:396/45 to 1:387/25
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Imported: 5 msgs fidonet_cooking <- COOKING 2019-10-22 09:02:19 Imported: 5 msgs total
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Sending packet (/home/richard/sbbs/temp/sbbsecho/5daf0beb.pkt, 17.9KB) from 1:387/25 to 1:396/45
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 File (../fido/outbound/5daf0beb.pkt, 17.9KB) for 1:396/45 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/018c002d.flo
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 SBBSecho (PID 29126) exiting with error level 0, Bundles(1 unpacked, 0 sent), Packets(1 imported, 1 sent), EchoMail(5 imported, 0 exported)
    everything else isn't doing a flo file

    I don't follow. That's a log of *importing* into your fidonet_cooking sub. I don't see any exporting going on. Do you have downlinks for your COOKING area in your area file (data/areas.bbs)?

    digital man

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Tue Oct 22 17:21:59 2019
    yeah me and wkitty42 were checking that and they had me put in debug mode and made my blinds 1-6
    areas.bbs just has
    fidonet_cooking COOKING 1:396/45
    which is the same thing every other area has

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Tue Oct 22 15:51:40 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Digital Man on Tue Oct 22 2019 05:21 pm

    yeah me and wkitty42 were checking that and they had me put in debug mode and made my blinds 1-6
    areas.bbs just has
    fidonet_cooking COOKING 1:396/45
    which is the same thing every other area has

    I see no evidence or reason for your system to be exporting dupes then.

    digital man

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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Tue Oct 22 20:08:31 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to Richard Williamson on Tue Oct 22 2019 10:46:51


    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Importing /home/richard/sbbs/fido/inbound/daf19d44.pkt (Type 2+, 17.8KB) from 1:396/45 to 1:387/25
    [...]
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 File (../fido/outbound/5daf0beb.pkt, 17.9KB) for 1:396/45 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/018c002d.flo

    I don't follow. That's a log of *importing* into your fidonet_cooking sub.
    I don't see any exporting going on. Do you have downlinks for your COOKING area in your area file (data/areas.bbs)?

    it took me a minute to see it, too... i'm working with him on the discord... there's only the one system in his areas.bbs file... only the one entry in the linked systems in echocfg... the thing above shows 17k coming in and 17k going right back out... we're trying to figure out why... i've not caught anything more from him since i had him set the sbbsecho logging to debugging...


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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Rampage on Tue Oct 22 23:02:29 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Rampage to Digital Man on Tue Oct 22 2019 08:08 pm

    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to Richard Williamson on Tue Oct 22 2019 10:46:51


    2019-10-22 09:02:19 Importing /home/richard/sbbs/fido/inbound/daf19d44.pkt (Type 2+, 17.8KB) from
    1:396/45
    to 1:387/25
    [...]
    2019-10-22 09:02:19 File (../fido/outbound/5daf0beb.pkt, 17.9KB) for 1:396/45 added to BSO/FLO file: ../fido/outbound/018c002d.flo

    I don't follow. That's a log of *importing* into your fidonet_cooking sub. I don't see any exporting going on. Do you have downlinks for your COOKING area in your area file (data/areas.bbs)?

    it took me a minute to see it, too... i'm working with him on the
    discord...
    there's only the one system in his areas.bbs file... only the one entry in the linked systems in echocfg... the thing above shows 17k coming in and
    17k
    going right back out... we're trying to figure out why... i've not caught anything more from him since i had him set the sbbsecho logging to debugging...

    Are you seeing the log message "Adding COOKING message from <name> to packet for 1:396/45: <path/to/pkt>" in the log?

    digital man

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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 23 14:25:43 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to Rampage on Tue Oct 22 2019 23:02:29

    Are you seeing the log message "Adding COOKING message from <name> to
    packet for 1:396/45: <path/to/pkt>" in the log?

    i haven't seen another log from him, yet...


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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 13:51:13 2019
    yeah im watching the logs to see if it happens again, doesn't happen all the time

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 13:54:08 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to Rampage on Tue Oct 22 2019 23:02:29

    i haven't seen another log from him, yet...

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    oh just checked logs going to show you on discord

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 14:04:49 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to Rampage on Tue Oct 22 2019 23:02:29

    i haven't seen another log from him, yet...

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    yes in a matter of fact

    2019-10-23 09:02:21 Adding COOKING message from Ruth Haffly (1:396/45.28) to packet for 1:396/45: /home/richard/sbbs/temp/sbbsecho/5db05d6d.pkt

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Wed Oct 23 13:30:24 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 2019 02:04 pm

    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to Rampage on Tue Oct 22 2019 23:02:29

    i haven't seen another log from him, yet...

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    yes in a matter of fact

    2019-10-23 09:02:21 Adding COOKING message from Ruth Haffly (1:396/45.28)
    to
    packet for 1:396/45: /home/richard/sbbs/temp/sbbsecho/5db05d6d.pkt

    Okay, that sounds like "396/45" was not in the SEENBY's of that message. That's unexpected. Perhaps you can find that actual message in the COOKING echo and look at its header fields. Since the message came *from* 396/45, that address should be listed in one of the SENBY lines.

    digital man

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 23 16:14:42 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 2019 02:04 pm

    Okay, that sounds like "396/45" was not in the SEENBY's of that message. That's unexpected. Perhaps you can find that actual message in the COOKING echo and look at its header fields. Since the message came *from* 396/45, that address should be listed in one of the SENBY lines.

    digital man

    Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #22:
    DSL = Digital Subscriber Line
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    checked that message ... it does have 395/45 in seen by

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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Wed Oct 23 17:33:31 2019
    Re: Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to Rampage on Wed Oct 23 2019 13:51:13


    yeah im watching the logs to see if it happens again, doesn't happen all
    the time

    wait, what??? are you saying that some of the mail from his system gets sent back and some not???


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Digital Man on Sat Oct 26 11:48:28 2019

    On 2019 Oct 23 13:30:24, you wrote to Richard Williamson:

    2019-10-23 09:02:21 Adding COOKING message from Ruth Haffly
    (1:396/45.28) to packet for 1:396/45:
    /home/richard/sbbs/temp/sbbsecho/5db05d6d.pkt

    Okay, that sounds like "396/45" was not in the SEENBY's of that message. That's unexpected. Perhaps you can find that actual message in the
    COOKING
    echo and look at its header fields. Since the message came *from* 396/45, that address should be listed in one of the SENBY lines.

    richard has finally caught one of those packets with posts from one of the haffly's points off of marc lewis' 1:396/45 node... what i notice is that the 396/45 entry is the last entry in the sole seenby line...

    could it be that sbbsecho is somehow missing the entry when the sending system is listed last on a seenby line when it looks at the seenbys? maybe an off-by-one error?

    )\/(ark

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to mark lewis on Sat Oct 26 11:37:33 2019
    On 2019 Oct 23 13:30:24, you wrote to Richard Williamson:

    richard has finally caught one of those packets with posts from one of the haffly's points off of marc lewis' 1:396/45 node... what i notice is that
    the
    396/45 entry is the last entry in the sole seenby line...

    could it be that sbbsecho is somehow missing the entry when the sending system is listed last on a seenby line when it looks at the seenbys? maybe
    an
    off-by-one error?

    )\/(ark

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    im kinda wondering if i should set it up in 4D instead of 3D aka :1:396/45.0

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Richard Williamson on Sat Oct 26 13:24:54 2019

    On 2019 Oct 26 11:37:32, you wrote to me:

    im kinda wondering if i should set it up in 4D instead of 3D aka :1:396/45.0

    as noted in discord, no... that won't do anything to help with this problem... you only need to put a point number if it is not zero...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to mark lewis on Sat Oct 26 16:47:23 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: mark lewis to Digital Man on Sat Oct 26 2019 11:48 am

    On 2019 Oct 23 13:30:24, you wrote to Richard Williamson:

    2019-10-23 09:02:21 Adding COOKING message from Ruth Haffly
    (1:396/45.28) to packet for 1:396/45:
    /home/richard/sbbs/temp/sbbsecho/5db05d6d.pkt

    Okay, that sounds like "396/45" was not in the SEENBY's of that message. That's unexpected. Perhaps you can find that actual message
    in
    the COOKING echo and look at its header fields. Since the message came *from* 396/45, that address should be listed in one of the SENBY
    lines.

    richard has finally caught one of those packets with posts from one of the haffly's points off of marc lewis' 1:396/45 node... what i notice is that the 396/45 entry is the last entry in the sole seenby line...

    could it be that sbbsecho is somehow missing the entry when the sending system is listed last on a seenby line when it looks at the seenbys? maybe an off-by-one error?

    Anything's possible. Can someone send me one of these packets for a look-see?

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Sat Oct 26 16:47:42 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Richard Williamson to mark lewis on Sat Oct 26 2019 11:37 am

    On 2019 Oct 23 13:30:24, you wrote to Richard Williamson:

    richard has finally caught one of those packets with posts from one of
    the
    haffly's points off of marc lewis' 1:396/45 node... what i notice is that the 396/45 entry is the last entry in the sole seenby line...

    could it be that sbbsecho is somehow missing the entry when the sending system is listed last on a seenby line when it looks at the seenbys?
    maybe
    an off-by-one error?

    im kinda wondering if i should set it up in 4D instead of 3D aka
    :1:396/45.0

    I doubt that would make any difference.

    digital man

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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Sun Oct 27 07:24:47 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to mark lewis on Sat Oct 26 2019 16:47:23

    could it be that sbbsecho is somehow missing the entry when the
    sending system is listed last on a seenby line when it looks at
    the seenbys? maybe an off-by-one error?

    Anything's possible. Can someone send me one of these packets for
    a look-see?

    sure... i've sent two to your email... one is good and doesn't get dupes sent back and the other does... the one that does has only one seenby and 396/45 is the last system on the line... there's also only one system in the path...


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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Rampage on Sun Oct 27 08:03:22 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Rampage to Digital Man on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:24 am

    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to mark lewis on Sat Oct 26 2019 16:47:23

    could it be that sbbsecho is somehow missing the entry when the
    sending system is listed last on a seenby line when it looks at
    the seenbys? maybe an off-by-one error?

    Anything's possible. Can someone send me one of these packets for
    a look-see?

    sure... i've sent two to your email... one is good and doesn't get dupes sent back and the other does... the one that does has only one seenby and 396/45 is the last system on the line... there's also only one system in
    the
    path...

    Thanks. I wrote some test cases using those SEEN-BY lines and could find no issue with the parsing or checking of SEEN-BYs in that format.

    Do you know which *specific* messages in the db45e6c4.pkt were looped back?

    As an experiment, I added an additional loop check to also check if a downlink's address is in a message's PATH. Please have Richard Williamson update and check again to see if the issue persists.

    I'm still unsure as to what the exact trigger/bug is here.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #3:
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Digital Man on Sun Oct 27 11:09:21 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Digital Man to Rampage on Sun Oct 27 2019 08:03:22

    Thanks. I wrote some test cases using those SEEN-BY lines and could find no
    issue with the parsing or checking of SEEN-BYs in that format.

    hummm... it was an eWAG on my part...

    Do you know which *specific* messages in the db45e6c4.pkt were looped back?

    all of them, AFAIK... not just sole PKTs with messages from the 396/45 points but any messages from them... the format is the same for each of them...

    As an experiment, I added an additional loop check to also check if a
    downlink's address is in a message's PATH. Please have Richard Williamson update and check again to see if the issue persists.

    i'll do that... he might see these messages before then, though...

    I'm still unsure as to what the exact trigger/bug is here.

    myself... i'm thinking about trying to add some more debugging to sbbsecho that reports the list of seenbys and maybe a few other vars just to try to get a better handle on how it runs its process... if i can get the list of seenbys, i can maybe output the comparison between them and the addresses messages are being packed for... i won't know if i can do that until i get into the code and see if i can understand it, though... it would be something on the order of dev-debug depth :laugh:


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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Sun Oct 27 15:10:29 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Rampage to Digital Man on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:24 am

    Thanks. I wrote some test cases using those SEEN-BY lines and could find no issue with the parsing or checking of SEEN-BYs in that format.

    Do you know which *specific* messages in the db45e6c4.pkt were looped back?

    As an experiment, I added an additional loop check to also check if a downlink's address is in a message's PATH. Please have Richard Williamson update and check again to see if the issue persists.

    I'm still unsure as to what the exact trigger/bug is here.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #3:
    How much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black. Norco, CA WX: 60.6¨F, 41.0% humidity, 0 mph S wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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    [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net


    I'll update as soon as I can

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Richard Williamson on Sun Oct 27 17:42:02 2019
    I'll update as soon as I can


    its updated now

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  • From Richard Williamson@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Oct 30 11:57:23 2019
    Re: fidonet dupes
    By: Rampage to Digital Man on Sun Oct 27 2019 07:24 am

    Thanks. I wrote some test cases using those SEEN-BY lines and could find no issue with the parsing or checking of SEEN-BYs in that format.

    Do you know which *specific* messages in the db45e6c4.pkt were looped back?

    As an experiment, I added an additional loop check to also check if a downlink's address is in a message's PATH. Please have Richard Williamson update and check again to see if the issue persists.

    I'm still unsure as to what the exact trigger/bug is here.

    digital man

    This Is Spinal Tap quote #3:
    How much more black could this be? and the answer is none. None more black. Norco, CA WX: 60.6¨F, 41.0% humidity, 0 mph S wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs

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    ¨ Synchronet ¨ Vertrauen ¨ Home of Synchronet ¨
    [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net


    as far as i can tell its working , no sent packets when i got packets with messages from ruth huffly in cooking

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