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Can a Synchronet SysOp suggest how I should handle my fidonet problem?
I predicted last week my HUB claims his end is fine and the problem is entirely mine. He advised me to ask my "West Coast Synchronet Friends" for help. I am still getting the same error I posted early last week. I am not receiving the "whole file" as the log states in the last line of the poll. What can I do about this? Dropping Fidonet completly is a consideration.
8/25 07:57:10 evnt Semaphore signaled for Timed Event: BINKPOLL
8/25 07:57:10 evnt Running timed event: BINKPOLL
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL BinkIT/2.27 invoked with options: -p
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Attempting poll for node 1:267/800@fidonet
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL JSBinkP/1.121 callout to 1:267/800@fidonet started 8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Connecting to 1:267/800@fidonet at capitalhub.dyndns.org:24555
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Peer version: Mystic/1.12A43 binkp/1.0
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Authentication successful: secure
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0 (4194304.0KB)
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Timed out receiving packet data from remote: 1:267/800@fidonet,1:267/0@fidonet
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Failed to receive the whole file '/sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0'.
8/25 07:57:10 evnt Timed event: BINKPOLL returned 0
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0(4194304.0KB)
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0 (4194304.0KB)Did you get information on this file being sent to you?
Can a Synchronet SysOp suggest how I should handle my fidonet problem? AsI predicted last week my
HUB claims his end is fine and the problem is entirely mine. He advisedme to ask my "West Coast
Synchronet Friends" for help. I am still getting the same error I postedearly last week. I am not
receiving the "whole file" as the log states in the last line of thepoll. What can I do about this?
Dropping Fidonet completly is a consideration.
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0(4194304.0KB)
'/sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0'. 8/25 07:57:10 evnt Timed event: BINKPOLLreturned 0
I emailed my Hub and he told me nothing is wrong on his end and that theproblem is entirely mine.
advisedCan a Synchronet SysOp suggest how I should handle my fidonet problem? As I predicted last week my
HUB claims his end is fine and the problem is entirely mine. He
me to ask my "West CoastYour hub operator has a bug up his ass about Synchronet. He's entitled to his opinion but silly to be intractable about it. If he cared, he'd help
Whether to drop Fidonet is your choice, but you could always just find another hub, and someone more helpful. There are probably people aroundI feel at this stage to continue carrying Fidonet I would need another HUB preferably a Synchronet HUB.
could be our bug or it could be a problem on his end. You should probably get your feed elsewhere, because this dude sounds like a bad hub operator;
Can a Synchronet SysOp suggest how I should handle my fidonet problem?As
I predicted last week my HUB claims his end is fine and the problem is entirely mine. He advised me to ask my "West Coast Synchronet Friends" for help. I am still getting the same error I posted early last week. I am not receiving the "whole file" as the log states in the last line of the poll. What can I do about this? Dropping Fidonet completly is a consideration.
8/25 07:57:10 evnt Semaphore signaled for Timed Event: BINKPOLL
8/25 07:57:10 evnt Running timed event: BINKPOLL
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL BinkIT/2.27 invoked with options: -p
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Attempting poll for node 1:267/800@fidonet
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL JSBinkP/1.121 callout to 1:267/800@fidonet started 8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Connecting to 1:267/800@fidonet at capitalhub.dyndns.org:24555
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Peer version: Mystic/1.12A43 binkp/1.0
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Authentication successful: secure
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0 (4194304.0KB)
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Timed out receiving packet data from remote: 1:267/800@fidonet,1:267/0@fidonet
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Failed to receive the whole file '/sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0'.
8/25 07:57:10 evnt Timed event: BINKPOLL returned 0
Question....lets say my echolist got messed up on his end. Could that possibly cause he system to send an over sized file? I have made NO changes myself but could that be one possibility of 20?
I don't know how to go about getting a new hub. I asked anotherSynchronet SysOp but he wants me to
get permission. From who???
Question....lets say my echolist got messed up on his end. Could thatpossibly cause he system to
send an over sized file? I have made NO changes myself but could that beone possibility of 20? I'm
His system is trying to send you a file with a size of "-1". That'snegative
one. Clearly the problem on his end and has nothing to do with an echolist. My guess is that his mailer thinks there's a file waiting for you but that file doesn't actually exist on the disk or he's having some kind of permissions issue opening the file. A file size of -1 usually indicates an
Re: How to move foward
By: Digital Man to HusTler on Sun Aug 25 2019 01:23 pm
His system is trying to send you a file with a size of "-1". That'snegative
one. Clearly the problem on his end and has nothing to do with an echolist. My guess is that his mailer thinks there's a file waiting for you but that file doesn't actually exist on the disk or he's having some kind of permissions issue opening the file. A file size of -1 usually indicates an
So how do I "Diplomaticaly" suggest he should look for the problem on his System without hurting his ego? If he had a system failure (As he already admitted) I'm sure he's stressed out about it. Is it possible the problem will correct itself? He runs Mystic with a BinkD mailer.
He claims he "has a
very reliable backup and none of my settings on his end were affected".
Ithat
know nothing about Mystic, BinkD, or how he backs up his system. That said don't feel comfortable making suggestions on how to fix the problem. Maybe he could start with lacting the file his system is trying to send? Makes sense to me but what do I know right? I'm no BBS genious but there are ways to trouble shoot this stuff. His last email to me said: "Because you don't run your system locally it's too difficult to fix" What he's saying is
if I ran Mystic he would be better able to help me. I dunno..I'm getting flashbacks of the fidonet sysops I dealt with in the 90's.:-(
What can I do about this? Dropping Fidonet completly is a consideration.
Re: How to move foward
His system is trying to send you a file with a size of "-1". That'snegative
needWhat can I do about this? Dropping Fidonet completly is a consideration.
Don't drop fidonet because of this issue. It's something the two of you
to
work out.
Keep this detail in mind also:
Your NC is the one who asigns you a node number and I think you should have a working session with your NC for netmail at least but there is no
You are free to get mail/files from the node or nodes of your chosing. If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail and files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
Thanks for your advice and your offer. I feel my hub is too quick to tell me how everthing he does is perfect and how long he's been a hub in Fidonet. He constantly reminds me he's feeding me free of charge. He can't help me with anything because he's a Mystic Guy and wamts me to switch. There's more but I'll shutup.
Anyhoo I'll have to sleep on it. I don't know all the fidonet rules and have no desire to read them all trying to figure out my next move.
I'm not going to lose sleep over giving up my node number. I never asked for one in the first place. Being a point would have been just fine with me.I'll
admit I have some "old tapes" about Fidonet playing in my head and it's effecting my judgment. Like I said ..I need to sleep on it. Thanks again.
PS I feel like I'm in a 1995 dejavu. The good news is I didn't have to pay 100
bucks to get a node number this time around.
HusTler wrote to echicken <=-
I don't know how to go about getting a new hub. I asked another Synchronet SysOp but he wants me to get permission. From who???
echicken wrote to HusTler <=-
That sounds overly bureaucratic. I'm sure someone could just set you
up with a new address and you can tell your current hub to remove your
old one from the list.
his present hub and link to another hub. Maybe set up a job to poll theold
hub once a week for any pending mail.
On 08-25-19 18:23, HusTler wrote to Digital Man <=-
So how do I "Diplomaticaly" suggest he should look for the problem on his System without hurting his ego? If he had a system failure (As he already admitted) I'm sure he's stressed out about it. Is it possible
the problem will correct itself? He runs Mystic with a BinkD mailer. He
claims he "has a very reliable backup and none of my settings on his
end were affected". I know nothing about Mystic, BinkD, or how he backs
up his system. That said I don't feel comfortable making suggestions on how to fix the problem. Maybe he could start with lacting the file his system is trying to send? Makes sense to me but what do I know right?
I'm no BBS genious but there are ways to trouble shoot this stuff. His last email to me said: "Because you don't run your system locally it's
too difficult to fix" What he's saying is that if I ran Mystic he
would be better able to help me. I dunno..I'm getting flashbacks of the fidonet sysops I dealt with in the 90's.:-(
Just unlink from all of your hub's echoes except for any housekeeping/admin echoes specific to your local region, and contact a hub elsewhere. There's
I'm happy to provide a feed, send me netmail at 1:161/418 to discuss.
There's no need to change addresses. HusTler would just have to unlink from his present hub and link to another hub. Maybe set up a job to poll the old hub once a week for any pending mail.
thehis present hub and link to another hub. Maybe set up a job to poll
Not interested in Netmail. Never use it. Never have.old
hub once a week for any pending mail.
Old hub would still be handling some of his mail. Old hub is bad and he should get away from it altogether.
Re: Re: How to move fowardabout
By: poindexter FORTRAN to echicken on Sun Aug 25 2019 07:59 pm
There's no need to change addresses. HusTler would just have to unlinkfrom
his present hub and link to another hub. Maybe set up a job to poll the old hub once a week for any pending mail.
I hope it is that easy. I just want fidonet echos. I could care less
netmail. I don't use it. Never have. ;-)
HusTler wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There's no need to change addresses. HusTler would just have to unlink from his present hub and link to another hub. Maybe set up a job to poll the old hub once a week for any pending mail.
I hope it is that easy. I just want fidonet echos. I could care
less about netmail. I don't use it. Never have. ;-)
oneI don't know how to go about getting a new hub. I asked another
Synchronet SysOp but he wants me to get permission. From who???
That sounds overly bureaucratic. I'm sure someone could just set you up with a new address and you can tell your current hub to remove your old
from the list.
If you end up having to ask permission for some reason, I'd just go straight to the Zone Coordinator. No point in wasting time trying tofind
some "proper" escalation path. It's just Fidonet after all.
hisHis system is trying to send you a file with a size of "-1". That's
negative one. Clearly the problem on his end and has nothing to do with
an echolist. My guess is that his mailer thinks there's a file waiting
for you but that file doesn't actually exist on the disk or he's having
some kind of permissions issue opening the file. A file size of -1
usually indicates an
So how do I "Diplomaticaly" suggest he should look for the problem on
System without hurting his ego?
Keep this detail in mind also:have
Your NC is the one who asigns you a node number and I think you should
a working session with your NC for netmail at least but there is no requirement for you to get your selected mail/file areas from your NC.
You are free to get mail/files from the node or nodes of your chosing.
If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail and files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
I've left emails to other Synchronet SysOps asking if it's possible
for them to feed me. I think I've taken it as far as I can go for now.
he doesn't need a new address... all he needs is a feed... i've offeredhim one
from here but he doesn't seem to have returned my service applicationform...
permission, such as it would be, might only be needed to get an addressin a
different net... some *Cs will go ahead and issue them in certaincases... a
new address should not be needed in this case at all...
If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail and
files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
by my count, that's like 8 or more fidonet operators offering a feed... this
almost beyond getting crazy...
If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail and
files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
by my count, that's like 8 or more fidonet operators offering a feed... this i
almost beyond getting crazy...
If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail and
files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
by my count, that's like 8 or more fidonet operators offering a feed... this i
almost beyond getting crazy...
easy... ask him to do a DIR in his outbound and see what the propertiesand
file size of that file are...
On 08-27-19 14:07, echicken wrote to mark lewis <=-
Re: How to move foward
By: mark lewis to echicken on Tue Aug 27 2019 12:53:06
he doesn't need a new address... all he needs is a feed... i've offered
him one
from here but he doesn't seem to have returned my service application
form...
Fair enough. I was wondering if he might still have to pick up netmail from this guy, who will never provide support if something goes wrong. Maybe that doesn't matter.
easy... ask him to do a DIR in his outbound and see what the propertiesand file size of that file are...
Can a Synchronet SysOp suggest how I should handle my fidonet problem?
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Authentication successful: secure
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Receiving file: /sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0 (4194304.0KB)
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Timed out receiving packet data from remote: 1:267/800@fidonet,1:267/0@fidonet
8/25 07:57:10 evnt BINKPOLL Failed to receive the whole file '/sbbs/temp/event/00000280.fr0'.
8/25 07:57:10 evnt Timed event: BINKPOLL returned 0
Hope that all helps, and hello everyone :)
Hope that all helps, and hello everyone :)
Thank you.
Paul Hayton wrote to HusTler <=-
Can a Synchronet SysOp suggest how I should handle my fidonet problem?
I was asked for help by the sysop of this system and took a look
at it last night. There were no huge files queued to be sent to
you but I did find a corrupted .clo file that asides having the
correct data inside it, also had some other bytes of info that I
think would have caused the problem.
I tried polling your system from his but your end was not
connecting so unsure if your bink server is up and on which port?
I've cleared out the file that was suspect, advised the sysop,
and would ask you try polling him again to see if you get a
successful connect and session with packets being sent to you. It
would be good to know if the problem is fixed. There are echomail
packets on HOLD for you at that Fido system.
As for dropping Fido vs getting feeds elsewhere - that's up to
you. But I do agree with the others in that obtaining multiple
feeds for echomail from assorted HUBs seems to be more the norm
now. That so long as you poll your nodelisted HUB each day to
check for and pick up any routed netmail sent to you via that
system, the rest of what you do and where you go to get your Fido
content is up to you :)
If you do decide to drop Fido please let that guy know so he can
delist you from his system and the nodelist. Either way 1-2 more
test polls from you to him would be appreciated by me so I can
see if the problem is fixed.
Hope that all helps, and hello everyone :)
I think this Hustler has hissy-fitted himself right on out of
Dove-Net too, so he probably won't see this. I'd bet he wouldn't
try the requested polling even if he did see it.
Perhaps a note to him in fsxNet would help - I think I've seen him
in there recently.
he doesn't need a new address... all he needs is a feed... i've
offered him one from here but he doesn't seem to have returned my
service application form...
Fair enough. I was wondering if he might still have to pick up
netmail from this guy,
who will never provide support if something goes wrong. Maybe that
doesn't matter.
permission, such as it would be, might only be needed to get an
address in a different net... some *Cs will go ahead and issue them
in certain cases... a new address should not be needed in this case
at all...
I can't imagine why permission would be needed at all...
but he asked... so I said maybe just cut through the nonsense and go straight to the top...
this whole thing seems like a bunch of typical fidonet nonsense to
me...
this i almost beyond getting crazy...If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail and
files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
by my count, that's like 8 or more fidonet operators offering a feed...
The only thing crazy to continue carrying Fidonet.
Thanks for all the offers but I am no longer interested in FidoFuck.
easy... ask him to do a DIR in his outbound and see what the
properties and file size of that file are...
I think he's asking around and getting suggestions that the problem
might lie on his system.
Fair enough. I was wondering if he might still have to pick up
netmail from this guy, who will never provide support if something
goes wrong. Maybe that doesn't matter.
If he keeps his node address, he'd still have to poll his existing
uplink for routed netmail.
easy... ask him to do a DIR in his outbound and see what the
properties and file size of that file are...
I'm having a conversation with him in another network - it seems the file doesnt exist and he's not sure whats going on.
Mind your own business Asswipe. I posted 3 days ago I no longer want to carry Fidonet. Worry about yourself and your own lame ass BBS.
For someone who says you're retired (which I think you said you are?), I'd expect to see more maturity than this. What's with your attitude? And do you really enjoy having a hissyfit and getting frustrated at people? Ihope
Nightfox
kiss your ass. That's kiddie shit to me. I'm not intimidated any of you.I'm doing whatever I can to
...Steve Wolf you Faggots. I
down. I just wish they had the ballz to meet me in person. BTW my name is
live in Queens NY. Let's meet for coffee you SysOps with Egos.!
It's degrading to ask for help and SyOps with egos what to put me down. It's even more frustrating when a guy like Greg won't admit the problemis
him. I expect SysOps to help one another. Not try and get money from me for that help. Don't tell me how great you are and how long you've been...
me in person. BTW my name is Steve Wolf you Faggots. I live in Queens NY.
big issues out of pretty much nothing. And I don't think it's reallynecessary to call people
Some might have done that, but there are sysops here on Dove-Net I've seen try to give you honest help without putting you down, and you sometimesseem
to take offense to it unnecessarily or make big issues out of pretty much
Your hub operator has a bug up his ass about Synchronet.
If he cared, he'd help solve the problem
It may be difficult to figure this out without your hub's cooperation.
Your hub operator has a bug up his ass about Synchronet.
No I don't actually, not even remotely and I'll will prove it. Sometime
said IIf he cared, he'd help solve the problem
How I would do that when I do not know anything about Synchronet, as I
did recommend for him to log on to my BBS and check out this echo andother
Synchronet echos to gain resolve for this issues he was having. I never
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
I hope he's happier with this behind him, and that you enjoy the sudden drop-off in angry emails.
consideration.What can I do about this? Dropping Fidonet completly is a
Don't drop fidonet because of this issue. It's something the two of you need to work out.
Keep this detail in mind also:
Your NC is the one who asigns you a node number
You are free to get mail/files from the node or nodes of your chosing.files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail and Al>
theHusTler wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
There's no need to change addresses. HusTler would just have to unlink his present hub and link to another hub. Maybe set up a job to poll
hub once a week for any pending mail.
I hope it is that easy. I just want fidonet echos. I could care less about netmail. I don't use it. Never have. ;-)
That's likely part of your problem.
Being able to be reached by netmail is generally considered a
requirement to be in FidoNet. It's how you are supposed to
interact with your NC, for example. It's also how you manage your echomail areas (AreaFix/FileFix).
On 2019 Aug 25 17:04:48, you wrote to HusTler:you
I don't know how to go about getting a new hub. I asked another
Synchronet SysOp but he wants me to get permission. From who???
That sounds overly bureaucratic. I'm sure someone could just set
and so it begins, again. not responding days on going with no contact inwith a new address and you can tell your current hub to remove yourone
from the list.
he doesn't need a new address... all he needs is a feed... i've offered him one from here but he doesn't seem to have returned my service application form...
On 2019 Aug 27 16:12:04, you wrote to All:an
If you would like I'd be happy to connect with you here for mail
feed.files, just netmail me and we'll get it done.
by my count, that's like 8 or more fidonet operators offering a
this i almost beyond getting crazy...
The only thing crazy to continue carrying Fidonet.
huh? you never even got started AFAICT from your postings...
Thanks for all the offers but I am no longer interested in FidoFuck.
don't blame the network for the actions of one ultra-right wing conservative choad who has to always be correct and is never incorrect about anything...
On 2019 Aug 27 14:49:36, you wrote to me:
easy... ask him to do a DIR in his outbound and see what the
properties and file size of that file are...
I think he's asking around and getting suggestions that the problem might lie on his system.
i doubt it... n267c is the operator in question... besides the known problem hustler has inquired about, n267c is telling folks that they /have/ to pull their echos from him which is flat out wrong...
Your NC is the one who asigns you a node number
Correct I do, and now he out. because of his hostility, I can not and will not tollerate that kind of behavior,
with everyone here to support him. He flipped out on completely - totallyout
of control,
I told I would check it to it and I have reached out to Paul Hayton of FSXnet, he is a great guy
He is all yours Al, Good Luck.
Thanks Again I wish him and you all the Best.
If he cared, he'd help solve the problem
How I would do that when I do not know anything about Synchronet,
It may be difficult to figure this out without your hub's cooperation.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
don't blame the network for the actions of one ultra-right wing
conservative choad who has to always be correct and is never
incorrect about anything...
That's enough of that, Politics had nothing - absolutely nothing to
do with what happened here, curious why you would even suggest this
when his attitude speaks for it self.
easy... ask him to do a DIR in his outbound and see what the
properties and file size of that file are...
I think he's asking around and getting suggestions that the problem
might lie on his system.
i doubt it... n267c is the operator in question... besides the known
problem hustler has inquired about, n267c is telling folks that they
/have/ to pull their echos from him which is flat out wrong...
Wrong.
It is not unreasonable to ask node to poll for his/her mail when that system is not reachable and has been unable to connect after many
failed to attempts to send said mail.
On 08-29-19 16:38, HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-
It's degrading to ask for help and SyOps with egos what to put me
down. It's even more frustrating when a guy like Greg won't admit the
problem is him. I expect SysOps to help one another. Not try and get
money from me for that help. Don't tell me how great you are and how
long you've been running a BBS. Don't threaten to ban me and take me
off your node list if I'm not nice to you and kiss your ass. That's
kiddie shit to me. I'm not intimidated any of you. I'm doing whatever I can to keep BBSing alive on the little resources I have. I just want
the shit to work. Apparently this is no longer a hobby and the SysOps
feel entitled to money or feel it's OK to put users and new SysOps
down. I just wish they had the ballz to meet me in person. BTW my name
is Steve Wolf you Faggots. I live in Queens NY. Let's meet for coffee
you SysOps with Egos.!
On 08-30-19 01:43, Gregory Deyss wrote to mark lewis <=-
Wrong. It is not unreasonable to ask node to poll for his/her mail when that system is not reachable and has been unable to connect after many failed to attempts to send said mail.
His issue was a legitimate one that needed to be fixed.
He's not mine. I offered what I can to him but have not heard anything back.
Thanks Again I wish him and you all the Best.Thanks (I think).
On 2019 Aug 30 00:04:06, you wrote to echicken:
If he cared, he'd help solve the problem
How I would do that when I do not know anything about Synchronet,
the problem was on *your* system as we told hustler several times... he reported you not accepting that... the logs showed that the problem was your system and it was asked to have you look in your outbound for that file and to check the flo files in case one was bad... paul found the problem pretty much exactly as we expected it to be found...
On 2019 Aug 30 01:40:00, you wrote to me:
don't blame the network for the actions of one ultra-right wing
conservative choad who has to always be correct and is never
incorrect about anything...
That's enough of that, Politics had nothing - absolutely nothing to do with what happened here, curious why you would even suggest this when his attitude speaks for it self.
your attitude in other message areas also speaks volumes... it was easy
to see how it could be involved in this situation... especially with him reporting that you were telling him he should run mystic, that he had to get his feed from you, and other similar nonsense... it sounded just
like you :shrug:
Correct I do, and now he out. because of his hostility, I can not and will not tollerate that kind of behavior, - the problems he could workedthrough
with everyone here to support him. He flipped out on completely - totally Hayton of FSXnet, he is a great guy,he is known as the Mystic Guy onas
I am tired of this BS, does not sit well with me either being referred to
having a bug up ass and having something against a node because wants torun
another BBS software other then Mystic BBS. This is and has no issue. This
He will Never have another in the State of New York.
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Wrong. It is not unreasonable to ask node to poll for his/her mail whenthat
system is not reachable and has been unable to connect after many failed to attempts to send said mail.
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You can spin this all you want, because you oppose me in other echos or don't care for me, I don't care either way.
Who do you think was the one who reached out to Paul, me.
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He will Never have another in the State of New York.
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Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Gregory Deyss to Gamgee on Fri Aug 30 2019 01:16 am
He will Never have another in the State of New York.
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For the record and for whatever it is worth there were things that weresaid
by Steve that were very inaccurate, I never indicated that he should run what
I run, I simply offered my help when it was apparent he was about to give up.
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{ Gregory |
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He will Never have another in the State of New York.
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{ Gregory |
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THE FIDONET SYSOP GOD has SPOKEN!!
YOU DRIBLING COWARDLY LITTLE MAN!
Being able to be reached by netmail is generally considered a
requirement to be in FidoNet. It's how you are supposed to interact
with your NC, for example. It's also how you manage your echomail
areas (AreaFix/FileFix).
He will Never have another in the State of New York.
If he cared, he'd help solve the problem
How I would do that when I do not know anything about Synchronet,
the problem was on *your* system as we told hustler several times...
he reported you not accepting that... the logs showed that the
problem was your system and it was asked to have you look in your
outbound for that file and to check the flo files in case one was
bad... paul found the problem pretty much exactly as we expected it
to be found...
You can spin this all you want,
because you oppose me in other echos or don't care for me, I don't
care either way.
Who do you think was the one who reached out to Paul, me.
THE FIDONET SYSOP GOD has SPOKEN!!
YOU DRIBLING COWARDLY LITTLE MAN!
You've made your point. Could you please stop spamming us with this garbage?
HusTler wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-that
Wrong. It is not unreasonable to ask node to poll for his/her mail when
system is not reachable and has been unable to connect after many failed to attempts to send said mail.
I black listed you Days ago you sibiling Coward!!
Go AWAY!
DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT CALL PEOPLE, ASSWIPE!
deleted everthing Fidonet from my board never to return. I will also warn new Sysops about Fidonet. I won't tolerate any SysOp attempting to hold me hostage over a node number or giving technical advice.
If I wanted poopy talk, I'd stay with Fidonet.
He will Never have another in the State of New York.
Wrong. It is not unreasonable to ask node to poll for his/her mail when that system is not reachable and has been unable to connect after many failed to attempts to send said mail.
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: HusTler to Gregory Deyss on Fri Aug 30 2019 08:43:08
THE FIDONET SYSOP GOD has SPOKEN!!
YOU DRIBLING COWARDLY LITTLE MAN!
bullshit... he can always get a RIN (region independent node) number ifthe
RC agrees to it... it is this type of totalitarian statements that get you into trouble...
His issue was a legitimate one that needed to be fixed.
Sure his concerns were genuine, I never indicated otherwise.
labelHe's not mine. I offered what I can to him but have not heard anything
back.
That's fine also, I felt that I should of provide somewhat of a warning
to you if your offer was accepted, because in the beginning I offered the same
kindness.
Thanks Again I wish him and you all the Best.Thanks (I think).
Indeed.
bullshit... he can always get a RIN (region independent node) number
if the RC agrees to it... it is this type of totalitarian statements
that get you into trouble...
Yeah, had cooler heads prevailed, and if the story were true, an
appeal to the RC on grounds of excessive annoyance would have some
merit.
Re: Re: How to move fowardth
By: Gregory Deyss to Al on Fri Aug 30 2019 01:12 am
Correct I do, and now he out. because of his hostility, I can not and not tollerate that kind of behavior, - the problems he could worked
totalwith everyone here to support him. He flipped out on completely -
Hayton of FSXnet, he is a great guy,he is known as the Mystic Guy on
I am tired of this BS, does not sit well with me either being referred having a bug up ass and having something against a node because wants another BBS software other then Mystic BBS. This is and has no issue.
Take notes all you future SyOps. This is the reality of having your own node with Fidonet. You have to deal with SysOps on power trips eager to strip your node when they can't fix what they broke. Your system crashed you fool!
Re: Re: How to move fowardor
By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Fri Aug 30 2019 07:25 am
You can spin this all you want, because you oppose me in other echos
don't care for me, I don't care either way.
Who do you think was the one who reached out to Paul, me.
Who's this Paul Guy?? Another SysOp God like you.. YOU SIBILING COWARD!
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: HusTler to Gregory Deyss on Fri Aug 30 2019 07:45 am
Take notes boyz and girlsHe will Never have another in the State of New York.
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: HusTler to Gregory Deyss on Fri Aug 30 2019 07:45 am
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Gregory Deyss to Gamgee on Fri Aug 30 2019 01:16 am
He will Never have another in the State of New York.
On 2019 Aug 30 01:16:08, you wrote to Gamgee:interact
Being able to be reached by netmail is generally considered a
requirement to be in FidoNet. It's how you are supposed to
with your NC, for example. It's also how you manage your echomail
areas (AreaFix/FileFix).
He will Never have another in the State of New York.
bullshit... he can always get a RIN (region independent node) number if the RC agrees to it... it is this type of totalitarian statements that
get you into trouble...
theHis issue was a legitimate one that needed to be fixed.
Sure his concerns were genuine, I never indicated otherwise.
Glad you understand that.
He's not mine. I offered what I can to him but have not heard anything >> back.
That's fine also, I felt that I should of provide somewhat of a warning
to you if your offer was accepted, because in the beginning I offered
kindness.
Kindness, is that what you call it?
I don't think you need to be kind but you don't need to be delisting
folks from the nodelist because of a disagreement (even an ugly one that never needed to be).
Would you like my email address I will be happy to provide it and I will forward you everything that he has sent me with all f-bombs and other color metaphors and also what he thinks of ALL of us in fidonet.
Maybe I should post them here, what do you think about that?
What do you want from me, he is the one who he delisted me, how do you do list the hub? he is the one being unreasonable here, not me.
He will Never have another in the State of New York.
bullshit... he can always get a RIN (region independent node) number
if the RC agrees to it... it is this type of totalitarian statements
that get you into trouble...
Yeah well that might true what you say,
[...] I don't want to play god, I am not qualified, but I am the NC of this network and I will vigorously defend it.
Per Fidonet policy 4.
1.3.5 Excessively Annoying Behavior
You are now being officially notified that I feel your language is excessively annoying,
I do not care for the hostility and the threats that you have made
and now I am warning you that if this continues, you will be excommunicated from the Network.
On 2019 Aug 30 22:31:50, you wrote to HusTler:
Per Fidonet policy 4.
1.3.5 Excessively Annoying Behavior
You are now being officially notified that I feel your language is excessively annoying,
don't be too easily annoyed... as a *C you should have a pretty tough
hide and this little scuffle should be less than water off a duck's back...
I do not care for the hostility and the threats that you have made
now that you've said that, just twit the other party and stop
responding, full stop. it is that easy...
and now I am warning you that if this continues, you will be excommunicated from the Network.
don't make threats you cannot ensure... you could loose your complaint
or it could simply be thrown out if both sides have not taken
appropriate steps to solve the problem... doing things out of order is
all it takes to toss it all in the waste can... this is now about language, not a misfunctioning mailer...
you've already removed him from your nodelist segment so he has no node number... you cannot excom users... i won't even mention that you havebut also at ml> both of you are being too easily annoyed and both of you can
to try to amicably solve the problem IN PRIVATE which means via
netmail...
plus you're airing your dirty laundry in public... not just in fidonet ml>
Your hub operator has a bug up his ass about Synchronet.No I don't actually, not even remotely and I'll will prove it.
Understood, and apologies. We only had his oft-repeated side of the
story at that time.
I hope he's happier with this behind him, and that you enjoy the sudden drop-off in angry emails.
Take notes all you future SyOps. This is the reality of having your own node wi
th Fidonet. You have to deal with SysOps on power trips eager to strip your nod
when they can't fix what they broke.
Your system crashed you fool! Tell the tru
th you sibiling coward! Keep talking. I'll just share more truth about you in >blic forums.
Who's this Paul Guy?? Another SysOp God like you.. YOU SIBILING COWARD!
But there is lesson here, never, will I have another node where thesysops
system is administrated clear across the freakin county, your a joke!
Yes, honestly, there is no reason for his hostility, I am a good guy but I have do have limits, when this limit is breached, then it's time to put the NC hat on.
"He will Never have another in the State of New York."
"he will need a new fidonet address he will no longer exist Net 267."
Re: Re: How to move fowardjoke!
By: Gregory Deyss to HusTler on Fri Aug 30 2019 06:16 pm
But there is lesson here, never, will I have another node where the system is administrated clear across the freakin county, your a
I don't really understand this. Are you assuming his system is administered in CA because his whatever.synchro.net address probably resolves there? Or does he use a VPS or some other server across the country? I don't see why that would be a problem. You can edit configuration files remotely. I would assume a server in a datacenter would be even more reliable than an old computer in someones basement connected to a residential isp. So are you saying all BBSes run on a
VPS, etc are banned from your territory of fidonet?
You continually referred to the problems that *he* was having with *his* system which you clearly did not approve of.
I'm not defending anything Hustler/Steve may have said that I'm not
privy to and his recent rage-responses to your messages here seem pretty immature. However, your threats concerning your authority and abilities seems excessive and misplaced. It looks to me like you're both being unreasonable.
And you still haven't explained your comment regarding "paying for support". Maybe you also have some misunderstandings to admit to.
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Digital Man to Gregory Deyss on Sat Aug 31 2019 04:24 pm
"He will Never have another in the State of New York."
"he will need a new fidonet address he will no longer exist Net 267."
Is this guy still rambling?? Sorry guys. Apparently he feels I'm lost without him. I blacklisted him and deleted all my Fidonet last week
How can I send a netmail when his system is not up, and the node has indicated that he has blacklisted me.
you've already removed him from your nodelist segment so he has no
node number... you cannot excom users... i won't even mention that
you have to try to amicably solve the problem IN PRIVATE which means
via netmail... plus you're airing your dirty laundry in public... not
just in fidonet but also at both of you are being too easily annoyed
and both of you can
Incorrect Mark, I have NOT removed him from the nodelist.
The Policy that I mentioned is by the book, and from this book will
come judgment.
There is time for him to modify his actions,
this is meant as a corrective action to considered and taken, if he
does not then what WILL happen next should be obvious.
What are you talking about "not just here in fidonet"
this matter is ONLY in fidonet,
it's not in the NY post or in the Daily News, not being discussed on social media to the best of my knowledge, where are you going with
that comment?
If Fidonet wants to let guys like him distribute echmail that's on
them.
If Fidonet wants to let guys like him distribute echmail that's on
them.
fidonet does not pick and choose who can provide an echomail feed... anyone is free to do so if they like... it is on them to find folks willing to use their feed just like anyone can feed from any system they
On 2019 Aug 31 09:05:48, you wrote to me:
How can I send a netmail when his system is not up, and the node has indicated that he has blacklisted me.
well, there's your answer and the end of the pending policy complaint...
1. you (said you) removed him from your nodelist...
2. he voluntarily left fidonet...
3. the end... no PC possible...
Incorrect Mark, I have NOT removed him from the nodelist.
i'm aware of a message (@MSGID: 1:267/800 243e78c3) that says differently...
The Policy that I mentioned is by the book, and from this book will come judgment.
There is time for him to modify his actions,
your's need some modifying, too...
I just want to know who this guy Paul is?
I just want to know who this guy Paul is?
differently...Incorrect Mark, I have NOT removed him from the nodelist.
i'm aware of a message (@MSGID: 1:267/800 243e78c3) that says
Then you are aware of the *imaginary* because I am the person at thecontrols of 1:267/800 My fidonet node 1:267/150.
If a message was sent in a netmail, it is a private matter and none of yourbusiness.
You continually referred to the problems that *he* was having with *his* system which you clearly did not approve of.
I'm not defending anything Hustler/Steve may have said that I'm not privy to and his recent rage-responses to your messages here seem pretty immature. However, your threats concerning your authority and abilities seems excessive and misplaced. It looks to me like you're both being unreasonable.
Acknowledged and accepted and I apologize. You are absolutely correct, some of what I said was completely over-the-top and unreasonable and I will make no excuses for it, but I will say it was a reaction to his hostility, looking back on it now I should have remained calmer and cooler.
I over reacted to his hostility, and I shouldn't have of done that.
His node remains untouched, remains still in the nodelist, if he would like to continue getting his mail from the hub that I run and remain a member of Net 267 then that would fine.
And you still haven't explained your comment regarding "paying for support". Maybe you also have some misunderstandings to admit to.
Yes about that, Steve was frustrated about paying for support.
This is what he told me.
Now, I don't know if he was prompted for the request of paymentto
for support or if what he told me was true or not. Don't know.. I have provided a method where he could get support for his system, and that was
log on to Capital Station BBS, and ask questions in the Synchronet forums and get the resolve that he needed. I don't run Synchronet, but I have learned that there is great support within the Synchronet community.
1. you (said you) removed him from your nodelist...
Incorrect Mark, I have NOT removed him from the nodelist.
differently...
Yes about that, Steve was frustrated about paying for support. This is what he told me. Now, I don't know if he was prompted for the request of payment for support or if what he told me was true or not. Don't know.. I have provided a method where he could get support for his system, andthat
was to log on to Capital Station BBS, and ask questions in the Synchronet forums and get the resolve that he needed. I don't run Synchronet, but I have learned that there is great support within the Synchronet community.
nodelist. Do you recall that message?1. you (said you) removed him from your nodelist...
Incorrect Mark, I have NOT removed him from the nodelist.
i'm aware of a message (@MSGID: 1:267/800 243e78c3) that says
differently...
As am I - you stated in an echomail that you had removed him from the
Re: Re: How to move fowardand
By: Gregory Deyss to Digital Man on Sun Sep 01 2019 12:04 pm
Yes about that, Steve was frustrated about paying for support. This is what he told me. Now, I don't know if he was prompted for the request of payment for support or if what he told me was true or not. Don't know.. I have provided a method where he could get support for his system, and that was to log on to Capital Station BBS, and ask questions in the Synchronet forums and get the resolve that he needed. I don't run Synchronet, but I have learned that there is great support within the Synchronet community.
Digital Man doesn't require payment for support. He works on Synchronet
provides support and maintenance because he enjoyes working on it. In the 12 years I've been running my Synchronet BBS (since 2007), I do remember a couple times when Digital Man mentioned he accepted donations for supportof
Synchronet work, but he has never required or demanded it. So I'm not sure where this complaint of payment for Synchronet support may have come from.
Maybe you got that confused. He was paying someone else for his server,but nobody for Synchronet
support.
On 09-01-19 13:52, Nightfox wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
Digital Man doesn't require payment for support. He works on
Synchronet and provides support and maintenance because he enjoyes
working on it. In the 12 years I've been running my Synchronet BBS
(since 2007), I do remember a couple times when Digital Man mentioned
he accepted donations for support of Synchronet work, but he has never required or demanded it. So I'm not sure where this complaint of
payment for Synchronet support may have come from.
On 09-01-19 17:41, echicken wrote to Digital Man <=-
This suddenly clicked for me. He's one of MarisaG's "hosted
Synchronet" customers, and I completely forgot about that until now.
I'm guessing it comes from the BBS/server hosting services provided by Marisa of http://synchronetbbs.org/ - you've seen her ads.
trump-style lie for what it is... a bald-faced lie...You have anger issues. As you seem it to be necessary to bring in politics into
yes, it is a netmail... it was sent routed and came through my system... just like any other sysop, as operator of my system, i am entitled to
see and can absolutly see everything that it handles... as per policy, i do not, never have, and will not disclose the contents of any netmail or use them to my advantage... if you really wanted the message to be private, you should have sent it direct to your RC... especially if you didn't want others in the routing paths to know of its existence or contents... stop your lying...
anything...I'm guessing it comes from the BBS/server hosting services provided by Marisa of http://synchronetbbs.org/ - you've seen her ads.
Nope, I don't charge for support either... For my hosting/extensions or
I just want to know who this guy Paul is?
Paul Hayton, runs Agency BBS and also runs fsxNet, the mystic bbs support network. He's a great guy and I'd call him an expert on mystic bbs. I assume he was the one who tried to help your hub fix the issue you were having with the corrupt packet.
Yeah I was baffled when the issue of payment came up, since as far as I could tell, no money was changing hands. And given how solid Synchronet is and the great job Rob does both developing and supporting it, donating towards its development sounds like a great idea.
trump-style lie for what it is... a bald-faced lie...
You have anger issues.
As you seem it to be necessary to bring in politics into many of our discussions, when there is no need to do so.
Glad to see that I live rent free in your head.
yes, it is a netmail... it was sent routed and came through my
system... just like any other sysop, as operator of my system, i am
entitled to see and can absolutly see everything that it handles... as
per policy, i do not, never have, and will not disclose the contents
of any netmail or use them to my advantage... if you really wanted the
message to be private, you should have sent it direct to your RC...
especially if you didn't want others in the routing paths to know of
its existence or contents... stop your lying...
I should be able to rely on and have full confidence that a netmail is a private matter, routed or otherwise.
Just because the contents were not disclosed in a public echo, I think
it shows poor judgment on your part that this matter of the netmail is even been discussed here.
I guess policy does not say anything about skating dangerously close
to being nearly out of bounds,
I suppose you think your cunning, using a handle and being crafty with using select words. I wonder...
What ever was said, represented or requested in a netmail, should
remain a private matter, it should not be insinuated, discussed that a netmail was seen or traveled through as it travels to its target destination in a public forum.
In my opinion, this would be the option in the context in the realm of providing aid or as in done to supporting or confirming its working, the only one your supporting here is yourself and your selfness need to make point at the expense of another.
[...] me of his Fidonet Powers. The only thing Greg's Ego accomplished
was to give Fidonet yet another black eye. I had the same experience
with a Fidonet Hub in 1996. An Egotistical SysOp was telling me the problem was on my end and refusing to look in the mirror. Back then
you could call someone on the phone if you had a problem with fidonet. That's what your membership fee got you.
It turned out the Hubs configuration was wrong. I'll never understand
why SysOps feel they are infallible. These types of SyOps don't belong
in a network of "hobbiest's" I can only speak for myself but I am done with Fidonet. There's nothing about Fidonet that makes it worth the trouble to go through that a third time.
Re: How to move fowardsuppo
By: Immortal to HusTler on Sun Sep 01 2019 12:09 pm
I just want to know who this guy Paul is?
Paul Hayton, runs Agency BBS and also runs fsxNet, the mystic bbs
werenetwork. He's a great guy and I'd call him an expert on mystic bbs. assume he was the one who tried to help your hub fix the issue you
having with the corrupt packet.
Thank you for that. Perhaps things would have been different if Paul got involved sooner. Gregs big EGO prevented him from contacting Mr
Hayton or anyone else for that matter. He was too busy telling me the problem was on my end and that I should "ask my west coast friends" for assistance which I did. I don't know when Mr Hayton finally got involved but 3 weeks had past without any new fidonet messages. Greg continued to
Gregory Deyss wrote to Rampage <=-
trump-style lie for what it is... a bald-faced lie...
You have anger issues. As you seem it to be necessary to bring in
politics into many of our discussions, when there is no need to
do so. Glad to see that I live rent free in your head.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Rampage <=-
trump-style lie for what it is... a bald-faced lie...
You have anger issues. As you seem it to be necessary to bring in politics into many of our discussions, when there is no need to
do so. Glad to see that I live rent free in your head.
<SNIP drivel>
Nobody here cares. As you yourself have said regarding this
little scuffle, time to move on.
Besides, this message area is for "Synchronet Sysops" only. I
thought you were a Mystic guy?
On 02 Sep 2019, HusTler said the following...
Lets take a trip down memory lane. Shall We?
(these are snippets of the "context" of emails)
HusTler wrote to Immortal <=-
Thank you for that. Perhaps things would have been different
if Paul got involved sooner. Gregs big EGO prevented him from
contacting Mr Hayton or anyone else for that matter. He was too
busy telling me the problem was on my end and that I should "ask
my west coast friends" for assistance which I did. I don't know
when Mr Hayton finally got involved but 3 weeks had past without
any new fidonet messages. Greg continued to remind me how
reliable his system is. He told me remind me he had not
"delisted" my node yet but the Fidonet Laws said if my system
didn't pick up mail he would have to take my node number off the
list. He couldn't help me but he could remind me of his Fidonet
Powers. The only thing Greg's Ego accomplished was to give
Fidonet yet another black eye. I had the same experience with a
Fidonet Hub in 1996. An Egotistical SysOp was telling me the
problem was on my end and refusing to look in the mirror. Back
then you could call someone on the phone if you had a problem
with fidonet. That's what your membership fee got you. It turned
out the Hubs configuration was wrong. I'll never understand why
SysOps feel they are infallible. These types of SyOps don't
belong in a network of "hobbiest's" I can only speak for myself
but I am done with Fidonet. There's nothing about Fidonet that
makes it worth the trouble to go through that a third time.
Yes..In 1996 I paid for Fidonet Support through a membership fee. Yes mysystem does not run on a local machine and would cost me money if I needed support if something was wrong with the server. None of
Nope, I don't charge for support either... For my hosting/extensions or anything...
it isn't $14US a month with the first month free?
suppoPaul Hayton, runs Agency BBS and also runs fsxNet, the mystic bbs
werenetwork. He's a great guy and I'd call him an expert on mystic bbs. assume he was the one who tried to help your hub fix the issue you
having with the corrupt packet.
Thank you for that. Perhaps things would have been different if Paul got involved sooner. Gregs big EGO prevented him from contacting Mr
Hayton or anyone else for that matter. He was too busy telling me the
tooYes..In 1996 I paid for Fidonet Support through a membership fee.
Yes my system does not run on a local machine and would cost me
money if I needed support if something was wrong with the server.
None of
I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I certainly didnt pay for fidonet back then, and I wouldnt have either (BBSing was
busy with file uploads and downloads - fidonet was just a plus).
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: HusTler to Tony Langdon on Mon Sep 02 2019 10:09 am
Yes..In 1996 I paid for Fidonet Support through a membership fee. Yes my system does not run on a local machine and would cost me money if I needed support if something was wrong with the server. None of
I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I certainly didnt pay for fidonet back then, and I wouldnt have either (BBSing was too busy with file uploads and downloads - fidonet was just a plus).
Who got that money? I guess it helped cover phone bills?
On 09-02-19 10:09, HusTler wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Yes..In 1996 I paid for Fidonet Support through a membership fee. Yes
Re: Re: How to move fowarddidn
By: HusTler to Tony Langdon on Mon Sep 02 2019 10:09 am
Yes..In 1996 I paid for Fidonet Support through a membership fee. Yes
I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I certainly
Who got that money? I guess it helped cover phone bills?
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... A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation.
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I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I certainly didnt pay for fidonet back then, and I wouldnt have either (BBSing was too busy with file uploads and downloads - fidonet was just a plus).
Who got that money? I guess it helped cover phone bills?
Fair to say that both you and Greg are not seeing eye to eye. I'm a bitlost
to understand why you want to continue to litigate this in ongoing
fashion in public echomail. It's a thread I won't be adding any further to beyond this response. I also note that it's not really a thread that has anything to do with Synchronet either (as far as I tell).
I was told it was a membership fee and monthly dues. It is very possible as a newbie I'd been scammed. Back then phone bills were high. I knowmine
was.
On 09-03-19 10:00, Nightfox wrote to HusTler <=-
I was on FidoNet briefly in the 90s and never heard of any FidoNet membership fee or monthly dues.
All I know is what I have been told, for the details you would need to reach out to Steve. I accepted those conditions and I still do, if he wants keep his node and continue getting fidonet from the hub that I run then I have no problem with that.
All the rest of what you have indicated about system being run out of a datacenter or run out someones basement. I do not know.the
I can tell you that 99% of the nodes here in Net 267 are the generally
same as they are elsewhere, a system that is in someones home and they want to run a BBS or not but want to be in fidonet. After what has of occurred here, I would say that I would be extra careful to make certain that the mail flowed as normally possible.
I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I certainly didnt pay for fidonet back then, and I wouldnt have either (BBSing wastoo
busy with file uploads and downloads - fidonet was just a plus).
Re: Re: How to move fowardhe
By: Gregory Deyss to Immortal on Sun Sep 01 2019 11:09 am
All I know is what I have been told, for the details you would need reach out to Steve. I accepted those conditions and I still do, if
wants keep his node and continue getting fidonet from the hub that I then I have no problem with that.
This seems quite contrary to the slew of messages you sent over the
past week. I believe DM summed up your quotes quite succinctly.
Re: Re: How to move fowardcertain
By: Alterego to HusTler on Tue Sep 03 2019 08:35 am
I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I
wadidnt pay for fidonet back then, and I wouldnt have either (BBSing
busy with file uploads and downloads - fidonet was just a plus).
Some hubs charged a modest fee to help cover costs, especially if they were using Planet Connect. I think I paid like $5 a month for my Fidonet feed back in the mid 90's.
Acknowledged and accepted and I apologize. You are absolutely correct, of what I said was completely over-the-top and unreasonable and I will no excuses for it, but I will say it was a reaction to his hostility, looking back on it now I should have remained calmer and cooler.
I over reacted to his hostility, and I shouldn't have of done that.
Okay, cool. I've had to deal with many "hostile" sysops over the years
and while they can make your blood boil, they also keep things interesting. It's good practice for dealing rationallyi with difficult people in the real world too.
I don't run Synchronet, but I have
learned that there is great support within the Synchronet community.
And he was already active in those message areas. But thanks for
carrying the echoes too.
Re: How to move fowardsuppo
By: Immortal to HusTler on Sun Sep 01 2019 12:09 pm
I just want to know who this guy Paul is?
Paul Hayton, runs Agency BBS and also runs fsxNet, the mystic bbs
werenetwork. He's a great guy and I'd call him an expert on mystic bbs. assume he was the one who tried to help your hub fix the issue you
having with the corrupt packet.
Thank you for that. Perhaps things would have been different if Paul got involved sooner. Gregs big EGO prevented him from contacting Mr
Hayton or anyone else for that matter. He was too busy telling me the problem was on my end and that I should "ask my west coast friends" for assistance which I did. I don't know when Mr Hayton finally got involved but 3 weeks had past without any new fidonet messages. Greg continued to remind me how reliable his system is. He told me remind me he had not "delisted" my node yet but the Fidonet Laws said if my system didn't
pick up mail he would have to take my node number off the list. He couldn't help me but he could remind me of his Fidonet Powers. The only thing Greg's Ego accomplished was to give Fidonet yet another black eye.
I had the same experience with a Fidonet Hub in 1996. An Egotistical
SysOp was telling me the problem was on my end and refusing to look in the mirror. Back then you could call someone on the phone if you had a problem with fidonet. That's what your membership fee got you. It turned out the Hubs configuration was wrong.
On 2019 Sep 02 09:53:36, you wrote to Immortal:accomplishe
[...] me of his Fidonet Powers. The only thing Greg's Ego
fidonetwas to give Fidonet yet another black eye. I had the same experience with a Fidonet Hub in 1996. An Egotistical SysOp was telling me the problem was on my end and refusing to look in the mirror. Back then you could call someone on the phone if you had a problem with
That's what your membership fee got you.
there never was and never has been a membership fee for fidonet... if
you were charged such, you were lied to and ripped off...
I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I
certainly didnt pay for fidonet back then, and I wouldnt have either
(BBSing was too busy with file uploads and downloads - fidonet was
just a plus).
Some hubs charged a modest fee to help cover costs, especially if they were using Planet Connect.
I think I paid like $5 a month for my Fidonet feed back in the mid
90's.
there never was and never has been a membership fee for fidonet... if
you were charged such, you were lied to and ripped off...
That's your first mistake in believing a raging lunatic, he was never charged.
Gregory Deyss wrote to HusTler <=-
but 3 weeks had past without any new fidonet messages. Greg continued to remind me how reliable his system is. He told me remind me he had not "delisted" my node yet but the Fidonet Laws said if my system didn't
pick up mail he would have to take my node number off the list. He couldn't help me but he could remind me of his Fidonet Powers. The only thing Greg's Ego accomplished was to give Fidonet yet another black eye.
I had the same experience with a Fidonet Hub in 1996. An Egotistical
SysOp was telling me the problem was on my end and refusing to look in the mirror. Back then you could call someone on the phone if you had a problem with fidonet. That's what your membership fee got you. It turned out the Hubs configuration was wrong.
Wrong Again, it was a corrupt file that caused the problem, We
have been through this... Of which was addressed within days.
Gregory Deyss wrote to mark lewis <=-
[...] me of his Fidonet Powers. The only thing Greg's Ego accomplishe was to give Fidonet yet another black eye. I had the same experience with a Fidonet Hub in 1996. An Egotistical SysOp was telling me the problem was on my end and refusing to look in the mirror. Back then
you could call someone on the phone if you had a problem with fidonet That's what your membership fee got you.
there never was and never has been a membership fee for fidonet... if
you were charged such, you were lied to and ripped off...
That's your first mistake in believing a raging lunatic, he was
never charged.
I had the same experienc with a Fidonet Hub in 1996.
He was referring to the "membership fee" he paid in 1996.
Wrong Again, it was a corrupt file that caused the problem, We have
been through this... Of which was addressed within days.
You didn't think to check your outbound dir(s) to see if there was a
bad file addressed to his node?
Yes that was the first thing that I did.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Gamgee <=-
I had the same experienc with a Fidonet Hub in 1996.
He was referring to the "membership fee" he paid in 1996.
Oh really? Nonsense, he indicated he had the SAME experience in
1996. What is the same, since 1996 is him, flying off the handle,
it did not work then with a HUB and it did not work in 2019 with
a different HUB.
Nothing wrong with my comprehension, it would it appear it's just
fine.
Gregory Deyss wrote to Gamgee <=-continued
but 3 weeks had past without any new fidonet messages. Greg
notremind me how reliable his system is. He told me remind me he had
on"delisted" my node yet but the Fidonet Laws said if my system didn't pick up mail he would have to take my node number off the list. He couldn't help me but he could remind me of his Fidonet Powers. The
turthing Greg's Ego accomplished was to give Fidonet yet another black I had the same experience with a Fidonet Hub in 1996. An Egotistical SysOp was telling me the problem was on my end and refusing to look the mirror. Back then you could call someone on the phone if you had problem with fidonet. That's what your membership fee got you. It
out the Hubs configuration was wrong.
Wrong Again, it was a corrupt file that caused the problem, We
have been through this... Of which was addressed within days.
You didn't think to check your outbound dir(s) to see if there was
a bad file addressed to his node?
Yes that was the first thing that I did.
apparently you didn't check well enough... not only are pkts and bundles needing to be checked but also *.?lo files which contain the list of
files destined to other systems...
apparently you didn't check well enough... not only are pkts and
bundles needing to be checked but also *.?lo files which contain the
list of files destined to other systems...
But it was resolved never the less,
I have handful of other nodes too, no one has ever reported a problem,
but if someone ever did bring issues to my attention they would of
been resolved as quickly and efficiently as the previous was.
Take Care,
Re: Re: How to move fowarddidnt
By: HusTler to Tony Langdon on Mon Sep 02 2019 10:09 am
I think we are baffled about this payment back in the 90's. I certainly
pay for fidonet back then, and I wouldnt have either (BBSing was too busywith
file uploads and downloads - fidonet was just a plus).
Who got that money? I guess it helped cover phone bills?
Back in the early 90's there was occasionally a fee charged to recoverphone
bill costs for FTN mail movement. Some SysOp's also charged an access fee for access to the games and such that their BBS offered. There was no fee directly related to Fidonet or other FTN access.
If I didn't pay the fee I lost my node.
How is that not related to fidonet?
Maybe if there was a fee the network would be better managed.
there was an attempt at making fidonet some sort of entity with fees but this failed in dramatic fashion... it never really even got off the ground and the entire network was all up in arms about it... especially thefounder
I don't know? When I read all those "rules and regulations" when I signed up for fidonet I felt I was joining a network that held it's SysOps accountable. I was very wrong.
Back in the early 90's there was occasionally a fee charged to recover phone
bill costs for FTN mail movement. Some SysOp's also charged an access fee
for access to the games and such that their BBS offered. There was no fee >> directly related to Fidonet or other FTN access.
If I didn't pay the fee I lost my node. How is that not related to fidonet? Maybe if there was a fee the network would be better managed.
You do realize that all of the rules and regulations you read concerned a network with 25,000 dialup nodes? Fidonet now has a fraction of the nodes,
Many of the rules and regulations have little relevance in today's Fidonet.
So your saying those rules I agreed to when I digitally signed for my node was/is irrelevant?? May I ask the reason these documents (I signed) have not been updated? Are you saying my hub should have never asked me to read, sign
and agree to said rules?? Now I'm really confused. Apparently I've been "duped
and that makes me very angry.
I'd be happy to send you the agreement my "HuB master" emailed me. According to him I've been "banned" from Fidonet in New York and can never get another node number.
Fidonet is a loose knit group of sysops who work together to get it done.. to keep the mail flowing.Back in the early 90's there was occasionally a fee charged to recover phone >> bill costs for FTN mail movement. Some SysOp's also charged an access fee
On 09-08-19 15:47, Al wrote to HusTler <=-
Are you talking about P4? When I joined Fidonet I was asked to read and agree to it.
Policy 4 was written in 1989 in a different time and place. Zone mail
hour and things like that were important then but not today unless you
run a dial-up only node. I don't know but there may yet be a few of
those.
Policy 4 is just a policy. There have been attempts to update it that failed because we couldn't get "agreement" enough to change it. It
could be changed if conditions for that were right. You'd have to get
your RC involved. RCs are the ones in Fidonet with the power to change policy.
Policy 4 was written in 1989 in a different time and place. Zone
mail hour and things like that were important then but not today
unless you run a dial-up only node. I don't know but there may yet
be a few of those.
I understand all that. If that's the case why was I asked to read all the rules and agree to them? Why was I sent a form and asked to give my personalreal
info? I feel violated and cheated! I was trying to do a good thing and make my
BBS available to a dying network. Instead I trusted some Fidonet SysOP on a power trip. I understand I am responsible for giving a total stranger my
State and phone number and have it posted in a node list. I truly believed tha
whatever SysOps were still around would at least self monitor themselves. I wa
naive and taken advantage of (Again). Once in 1996 and again in 2019. I was stupid yes, but I will WARN any SysOp even hinting to join Fidonet. For all know your all a bunch of scammers. I also think all of you fidonet guys are bunch of "Big Heads" but that's just me.
It would be interesting to see what a modern "P5" would look like. :)
ground and the entire network was all up in arms about it... especially the founderthere was an attempt at making fidonet some sort of entity with fees but this failed in dramatic fashion... it never really even got off the
I don't know? When I read all those "rules and regulations" when Isigned up for fidonet I felt I was joining a network that held it's SysOps accountable. I was very wrong.
As for charging for Fidonet, when people were paying toll charges todownload messages, many NECs started cost recovery programs. Many networks made it seem compulsory to pay into the program and built a power structure
around it. I know there was a debacle around my local network in the 90s;sysops were pressured into joining (or else there won't be a Fidonet!) and the NEC tried to get the network to finance buying him a high-speed modem
and dedicated system in the process!
I've *never* heard of anyone charging for a node number.
So your saying those rules I agreed to when I digitally signed for my nodewas/is irrelevant??
May I ask the reason these documents (I signed) have not been updated?
Are you saying my hub should have never asked me to
read, sign and agree to said rules??
Now I'm really confused.
Apparently I've been "duped" and that makes me very angry.
I'd be happy to send you the agreement my "HuB master" emailed me.
According to him I've been "banned" from Fidonet in New York and can neverget another node number.
I say zone mail hour is still important because FidoNet requires a bbs to be up at least one hour per day, during zone mail hour. I think this is a logical way to require that your system be up at a minimum one hour perday
and during a time when other systems can reach you.
I understand all that.
If that's the case why was I asked to read all the rules and agree to them?
Why was I sent a form and asked to give my personal info?
I feel violated and cheated!
I was trying to do a good thing and make my BBS available to a dyingnetwork.
Instead I trusted some Fidonet SysOP on a power trip.
I understand I am responsible for giving a total stranger my real State andphone number and have it posted in a node
list.
I truly believed that whatever SysOps were still around would at least selfmonitor themselves.
I was naive and taken advantage of (Again).
Once in 1996 and again in 2019. I was stupid yes, but I will WARN any SysOp even hinting to join Fidonet. For all I know your all a bunch of scammers.I also think all of you fidonet guys are a bunch of "Big Heads" but that's just me.
failed because we couldn't get "agreement" enough to change it. ItPolicy 4 is just a policy. There have been attempts to update it that
policy.could be changed if conditions for that were right. You'd have to get your RC involved. RCs are the ones in Fidonet with the power to change
It would be interesting to see what a modern "P5" would look like. :)
so to try to cut this ""wall of words"" shorter, if you still care to try fidonet, contact the few of us who have offered out services to you and we'll see what we can do... my door is open and all you need to do isask...
)\/(ark
what "rules"?? please post a link... on the surface, it sounds like it was simply policy but without a link no one knows...
i suspect you are talking about P4... did you actually read it? do you understand how it came into being the policy of the network and how it has to be replaced?
Are you saying my hub should have never asked me to
read, sign and agree to said rules??
Now I'm really confused.
Apparently I've been "duped" and that makes me very angry.
you should have my address to hand plus i don't know if you realize it or not but you are conversing with at least three regional coordinators in fidonet...
According to him I've been "banned" from Fidonet in New York and can never get another node number.
dude, please... he made that statement in a moment of anger just as you unleashed some anger on him... since things have calmed down, it appears to me that your node is still in the nodelist... you are jason bock, right?
I've *never* heard of anyone charging for a node number.
perhaps you missed out on the whole IFNA (International FidoNet Association) controversy?
On 09-08-19 16:29, Electrosys wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Tony Langdon to Al on Mon Sep 09 2019 09:04 am
Policy 4 was written in 1989 in a different time and place. Zone
mail hour and things like that were important then but not today
unless you run a dial-up only node. I don't know but there may yet
be a few of those.
I say zone mail hour is still important because FidoNet requires a bbs
to be up at least one hour per day, during zone mail hour. I think this
is a logical way to require that your system be up at a minimum one
hour per day and during a time when other systems can reach you.
On 09-08-19 17:01, Al wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It would be interesting to see what a modern "P5" would look like. :)
That it would be. All the same I'm not going to hold my breath.. ;)
On 09-08-19 22:36, Rampage wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
did you miss out the last attempt to update policy?
FWIW: i'm probably the one to blame for it not passing... i
specifically took steps to post the different changes in separate documents as specified by P4 and posted each of them as a complete set
of messages for each change... one of the main problems was RCs using antiquated software with (puke!) line limitations... in other words,
their software worked with (eg) 100 line (75x100) posts and dropped all others in the bitbucket... some of the posts were 200 lines long...
then there was also the apparent "participate or you're out as RC" mentions from certain ZCs but this was actually an attempt at waking up sleeping at the wheel RCs...
On 09-08-19 19:17, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Electrosys <=-
Yeah, but that was when phone lines could be used for callers, or mail runs, but not both at the same time. With IP systems, you could have concurrent mail sessions and callers simultaneously.
Those were interesting times. To enter an echomail on a system, then at ZMH the board transfers it to their network hub, which transfers it (hopefully) that night to the backbone, then down to a network hub and
an end node BBS, where someone reads the message, replies, and the
process begins in the opposite directions. All done over phone lines intended for voice conversations.
Pitiful, compared to transfers today, but the fact that it worked was amazing.
Re: Re: How to move fowardne
By: HusTler to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Sep 08 2019 17:52:33
So your saying those rules I agreed to when I digitally signed for mywas/is irrelevant??
what "rules"?? please post a link... on the surface, it sounds like it
was simply policy but without a link no one knows...
May I ask the reason these documents (I signed) have not been updated?
i suspect you are talking about P4... did you actually read it? do you understand how it came into being the policy of the network and how it
has to be replaced?
Are you saying my hub should have never asked me to
read, sign and agree to said rules??
i'm not... i doubt others are...
Now I'm really confused.
why?
Apparently I've been "duped" and that makes me very angry.
duped how?
I'd be happy to send you the agreement my "HuB master" emailed me.
you should have my address to hand plus i don't know if you realize it
or not but you are conversing with at least three regional coordinators
in fidonet...
According to him I've been "banned" from Fidonet in New York and can
get another node number.
dude, please... he made that statement in a moment of anger just as you unleashed some anger on him... since things have calmed down, it appears to me that your node is still in the nodelist... you are jason bock, right?
wow... why are we even trying then??? why are you carrying on about it if you're done with it? furrfu... this isn't rocket science man... if you want a feed, just ask... you still have a node number in the nodelist...
Now I'm really confused.
why?
What are the rules? Policies of Fidonet?
Apparently I've been "duped" and that makes me very angry.
duped how?
I'm not going to clarify. The Hub was inappropriate and that's all
I have to say on the subject.
since things have calmed down, it appears to me that your node is
still in the nodelist... you are jason bock, right?
No sir I am not Jason Bock. My name is Steve Wolf aka HusTler
wow... why are we even trying then??? why are you carrying on about it
if you're done with it? furrfu... this isn't rocket science man... if
you want a feed, just ask... you still have a node number in the
nodelist...
I apologize if I even hinted carrying Fidonet again. I'm simply
replying to previous messages.
I'm simply trying to understand what Fidonet is and isn't.
I don't get the impression the current SysOps are interested in adding
new nodes. They want to defend their beloved network but make no
changes to make it better. That said let me be clear... NO. I do not
want a node number and offer my apologies if something I said
suggested anything different.
hourI say zone mail hour is still important because FidoNet requires a bbs to be up at least one hour per day, during zone mail hour. I think this is a logical way to require that your system be up at a minimum one
runs,per day and during a time when other systems can reach you.
Yeah, but that was when phone lines could be used for callers, or mail
but not both at the same time. With IP systems, you could have concurrent mail sessions and callers simultaneously.
wow... why are we even trying then??? why are you carrying on about it
if you're done with it? furrfu... this isn't rocket science man... if
you want a feed, just ask... you still have a node number in the
nodelist...
I apologize if I even hinted carrying Fidonet again. I'm simply replying to previous messages. I'm simply trying to understand what Fidonet is and isn't. I don't get the impression the current SysOps are interested in adding new nodes. They want to defend their beloved network but make no changes to make it better. That said let me be clear... NO. I do not want a node number and offer my apologies if something I said suggested anything different.
Years back I joined Net 229 which is based out of Canada, because it declared itself an "Internet" network, and didn't care where people were located. The "old guard" threw a hissy fit. "You have to have a POTSline!"
You're not the first person to get kicked in the nuts by an angry,power-mad
*C. It happens. It shouldn't. There are always options for getting another node number should it come down to it.
I'm sorry it left a bad taste in your mouth. In hindsight, if you're this easily annoyed, maybe Fight-o-net isn't for you anyway.
Theoretically, we could move most of Zone 1 into an IP-only net and keep handful of networks running where needed. I suggested, tongue-in-cheek, that we collapse the whole of Fidonet into a flat, IP zone. You can imagine how well that went over in other zones. It descended into an argument about "whose" zone number to use for the proposed network andgot
no further.
I'm sorry it left a bad taste in your mouth. In hindsight, if you're
this easily annoyed, maybe Fight-o-net isn't for you anyway.
Annoyed? It's much more then that. The indvidual made "my list". I don't get mad. I get even. Can you tell me about this Fidoweb you mentioned? Does it make possible to carry echo mail without dealing with Psycho SysOps?
Tony Langdon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
As all of my mail runs were echomail, I think ZMH was an hour where nothing was scheduled, IIRC.
Pitiful, compared to transfers today, but the fact that it worked was amazing.
It was amazing tech for its day. :)
Tony Langdon wrote to Al <=-
Would be good to do. Unfortunately, I don't have the time or aptitude
to step up to RC, best I can do is run it past my RC.
As for the Fidoweb, you actually have to deal with more sysops, as you need multiple uplinks. You also need a robust mail tosser (SBBSEcho will work fine, as long as it's properly configured).
And if you're trying to carry echo mail, and be active in message echos,
As for the Fidoweb, you actually have to deal with more sysops, as you
need multiple uplinks. You also need a robust mail tosser (SBBSEcho
will work fine, as long as it's properly configured).
And if you're trying to carry echo mail, and be active in message
echos,
I'm not trying to do anything. I just want to get the facts. Do you
have a website or anything similar? Docs? Anything so I can research
this fidoweb?
I was told it was a membership fee and monthly dues. It is very
possible as a newbie I'd been scammed. Back then phone bills were
high. I know mine was.
I was on FidoNet briefly in the 90s and never heard of any FidoNet membership fee or monthly dues.
I've seen that idea floated a few times here and there, It always ends up with the same argument. It will never happen because most of the *Cs will lose their positions.
My local uplink used his business line to call to san jose nightly for our message packets, so we all chipped in some cash at our bi-monthly get together. Other than that, the actual fidonet organization never chargedus
a fee/dues.
http://www.vlist.eu/downloads/fidonews/nads.txt
On 09-09-19 06:27, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I saved a cast-off 286 PC with a 2400 baud modem from the dumpster, set
up a handful of software running on DOS with no previous experience, bought a spare phone line, and configured a system that ran automated maintenance, knew how to route packets to connect to a 25,000 system network, and allowed me to connect to the world. Amazing, indeed.
On 09-09-19 06:41, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
IMO, Fidonet needs to cull the dead echoes, come up with a consistent
new membership process (I'd talked about making an info packet, akin to what othernets do) and re-think the administrative parts of P4 with a network a fraction of the size in mind.
The "Fidoweb" is another example. Thanks to internet mailers of today, youcan have multiple uplinks carrying the same echos. They can all be connected to each other, carrying the same echos. If someone's node goes down,
no one loses their connection to Fidonet, everything carries on likenothing happened.
Can you tell me about this Fidoweb you mentioned? Does it make possible tocarry echo mail without dealing with Psycho SysOps?
IMO, Fidonet needs to cull the dead echoes,
Re: Re: How to move fowardpowe
By: DaiTengu to HusTler on Mon Sep 09 2019 01:20 pm
You're not the first person to get kicked in the nuts by an angry,
ano*C. It happens. It shouldn't. There are always options for getting
node number should it come down to it.
thI'm sorry it left a bad taste in your mouth. In hindsight, if you're
easily annoyed, maybe Fight-o-net isn't for you anyway.
Annoyed? It's much more then that. The indvidual made "my list". I don't get mad. I get even. Can you tell me about this Fidoweb you mentioned? Does it make possible to carry echo mail without dealing with Psycho SysOps?
I have offered to reinstate you with no hard feelings, but your not interested of which is also fine.
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Gregory Deyss to HusTler on Tue Sep 10 2019 07:15 pm
I have offered to reinstate you with no hard feelings, but your not interested of which is also fine.
"Reinstate me"? You sound like a former employer. Just who do you
think you are Greg? You need to get over yourself and eat some humble
pie pal. Ya know I'm just the guy to knock you off of your high horse. Meet me for coffee.
Rampage wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
IMO, Fidonet needs to cull the dead echoes,
why? they don't take any space...
HusTler wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-
"The cost sharing wars ended when the main distrubition went from POTS
to Fido over IP, reducing the cost to almost zero, so there no longer
was any cost to fight over. We thought that freed Fidonet from the
power of the distributors to control the distribution of echomal, but unfortunately it didn't as the 2011 Fidonews coup has demonstrated."
I wasn't aware this BS was going on. Thanks again.
"Reinstate me"? You sound like a former employer. Just who do you think you are Greg? You need to get over yourself and eat some humble
Correct, I offered to reinstate your node as it was. I know nothing of your former employer. Asking "Just who do you think you are?" Implies you either don't know how this works or it is just another attempt from you to be
As for the Fidoweb, you actually have to deal with more sysops, as you
need multiple uplinks. You also need a robust mail tosser (SBBSEcho
will work fine, as long as it's properly configured).
And if you're trying to carry echo mail, and be active in message
echos,
I'm not trying to do anything. I just want to get the facts. Do you have website or anything similar? Docs? Anything so I can research this fidoweb?
You did not get mail delivery from a SysOp, you had a mail fidonet feed from a different hat that I wear NC.
Nope. Such information does not exist. It can only be gleaned through reading/posting in fidonet echos, and even then to a very limited extent.
Re: Re: How to move fowardhum
By: Gregory Deyss to HusTler on Wed Sep 11 2019 06:46 am
"Reinstate me"? You sound like a former employer. Just who do think you are Greg? You need to get over yourself and eat some
eiCorrect, I offered to reinstate your node as it was. I know nothing of former employer. Asking "Just who do you think you are?" Implies you
don't know how this works or it is just another attempt from you to be
If you don't get it by now Greg you never will. No I do not want to be part of your fidonet coup or under your influence. Go find another
victim. Just leave me alone please.
Re: Re: How to move fowardfe
By: Gregory Deyss to HusTler on Tue Sep 10 2019 07:15 pm
You did not get mail delivery from a SysOp, you had a mail fidonet
from a different hat that I wear NC.
Good god, man. It seems like every message you post in here you mention you're an NC. Everyone knows, and no one cares. I was an NC once, it's not that big of a deal.
Either way I am the guy who can restore your node,
IMO, Fidonet needs to cull the dead echoes,
why? they don't take any space...
New users and sysops can't find the messages in all of the dead areas, and go elsewhere.
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Gregory Deyss to HusTler on Wed Sep 11 2019 06:46:06
Either way I am the guy who can restore your node,
correction, you are "a guy who can give him a [fidonet] node [number]"
The first rule of Fidoweb is you DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIDOWEB.
Believe me I have wish to desire to waste anymore time on you.
Gregory Deyss wrote to HusTler <=-
If you don't get it by now Greg you never will. No I do not want to be part of your fidonet coup or under your influence. Go find another
victim. Just leave me alone please.
No problem, your name came up on my radar, as someone who was
looking for a fidonet feed, I am the Network Coordinator for NY
that is why I was contacted with your information. Not the other
way around. Believe me I have wish to desire to waste anymore
time on you.
Gregory Deyss wrote to DaiTengu <=-
Good god, man. It seems like every message you post in here you mention you're an NC. Everyone knows, and no one cares. I was an NC once, it's not that big of a deal.
no chest beating here whatsoever, I just wanted to clarify for
the learning in parred,
because there was a time where he was
trying to areafix my fidonet node... smh and not the HUB.
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Gregory Deyss to HusTler on Wed Sep 11 2019 18:22:18
Believe me I have wish to desire to waste anymore time on you.
then disconnect the area and step out... if you cannot disconnect the
area in your feed, you can at least remove it from your new message scan... hard to do mind boggling this is - yoda...
Either way I am the guy who can restore your node,
correction, you are "a guy who can give him a [fidonet] node [number]"
This is getting ridiculous, that is what I meant.
On 2019 Sep 11 21:29:42, you wrote to Rampage:[number
Either way I am the guy who can restore your node,
correction, you are "a guy who can give him a [fidonet] node
This is getting ridiculous, that is what I meant.
apparently it is not what you meant... you said "the guy" like you are
the only one... you are not, full stop.
Gregory Deyss wrote to mark lewis <=-
apparently it is not what you meant... you said "the guy" like you are
the only one... you are not, full stop.
Irrelevant, when there is no interest in obtaining a [fidonet]
node [number] if the interest returns at some point, then he will
have the freedom putting forth a request to join, it will not be
in New York State.
arGregory Deyss wrote to mark lewis <=-
apparently it is not what you meant... you said "the guy" like you
the only one... you are not, full stop.
Irrelevant, when there is no interest in obtaining a [fidonet]
node [number] if the interest returns at some point, then he will have the freedom putting forth a request to join, it will not be
in New York State.
So..... you are reversing your position YET AGAIN?
becauseSo..... you are reversing your position YET AGAIN?
What was said initially by me was born out of anger that was sparked from his hostility. After things calmed down, with me at least, I offered him opportunity to come back to the net that I administer, and I would reinstate everything I took away. He has stated numerous times and in a variety of ways that he was not interested of which was and is totally fine, he was specially verbose towards me on a personal level, during and he continued with the insulting comments for some time thereafter,
of this the opportunity was limited in nature. You can call changing my mind all you wish. I think it is clear at this point of what his intentions are just as it is clear of mine.
Re: Re: How to move fowardin
By: Gregory Deyss to Gamgee on Sun Sep 15 2019 03:02 pm
So..... you are reversing your position YET AGAIN?
What was said initially by me was born out of anger that was sparked his hostility. After things calmed down, with me at least, I offered opportunity to come back to the net that I administer, and I would reinstate everything I took away. He has stated numerous times and
totallvariety of ways that he was not interested of which was and is
duringfine, he was specially verbose towards me on a personal level,
behe continued with the insulting comments for some time thereafter,
of this the opportunity was limited in nature. You can call changing mind all you wish. I think it is clear at this point of what his intentions are just as it is clear of mine.
It sounds like you're easily annoyed. Maybe you should pass your NC position on to someone who can handle it, as it's obvious you're completely unqualified.
DaiTengu
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say otherwise.
otherwiseAs far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say
Do you think the nodes in net 267 have a say in who the NC is?
What about the RC of your region, do they have a say?
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say otherwise >>Do you think the nodes in net 267 have a say in who the NC is?
What about the RC of your region, do they have a say?
Nice try... trying to fan the flames, when there is no smoke?
but as long as you brought it upavailable
There hasn't been any issues w/ any other nodes.
Peace and harmony continues to be delivered w/ each and every new fidonet bundle that the hub sends downstream to network of nodes.
(of course each node is a matter of importance)
which is why Alternative methods of communication were established with the setup of each node. If there is ever a issue these methods would be
to be utilized.
As far as the RC goes.
I reached out to the RC when the first insurrection occurred.
Therefore my previous comments on the matter stand up by themselves.. Still.actions,
Oui, mon Capitaine ! when you do not know the facts which support my
nor do you know of the reasons which are fully supportive of my actions.
Justification: the action of showing something to be right or reasonable.
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say otherwise.
Re: Re: How to move fowardotherwi
By: Gregory Deyss to DaiTengu on Wed Sep 18 2019 02:06 pm
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say
I think your regional coordinator's opinion may differ.As I said I already reached out to the RC, at the time of the incident, there is no need for an opinion when I have spoken to him on this matter.
I'm sure there's two sides to this story, but from an outsider's perspective, you appear as if you're letting your ego, your position,Appearances can appear what they may, along with an outsiders perspective
your anger and your frustration get in the way of your duties and responsibilities. It happens to the best of us at times in a volunteer organization.
It sounds like you're easily annoyed. Maybe you should pass your NC
position on to someone who can handle it, as it's obvious you're
completely unqualified.
You don't have a clue as to what was said, (outside of this echo) within emails and yet your making judgments.
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say otherwise.
witYou don't have a clue as to what was said, (outside of this echo)
otherwemails and yet your making judgments.
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say
Or until your RC says otherwise.Again....Everything is totally and completely with fine as I have already reached to the RC. I have no concerns with him taking any action whatsoever, concerning any portion of changing any status. In fact I am confident that no such action or even a hint of any action that your describing here, will be done. I don't know how I can say any differently...
DaiTengu wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
It sounds like you're easily annoyed. Maybe you should pass your NC
position on to someone who can handle it, as it's obvious you're
completely unqualified.
You don't have a clue as to what was said, (outside of this echo) within emails and yet your making judgments.
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say otherwise.
Or until your RC says otherwise.
witYou don't have a clue as to what was said, (outside of this echo)
otherwemails and yet your making judgments.
As far as my NC position is concerned, it is mine, until I say
Or until your RC says otherwise.
Or until your RC says otherwise.Again....Everything is totally and completely with fine as I have already reached to the RC. I have no concerns with him taking any action whatsoever, concerning any portion of changing any status. In fact I am confident that no such action or even a hint of any action that your describing here, will be done. I don't know how I can say any differently...
I didn't want to be rude, this message will be no different, you and others have have insinuated that I said & did what I did, because of an ego, that is false.
Things were said to me that were so incredibly vile and disgusting and disgraceful. I found these comments very difficult to come back from, so reacted out of anger but I did also calm down and provided an another opportunity to make it as if it never happened. (before the problem with hub) which led to the over the top melt down by my former node.
Re: Re: How to move foward
By: Gregory Deyss to DaiTengu on Thu Sep 19 2019 10:32 pm
I didn't want to be rude, this message will be no different, you and others have have insinuated that I said & did what I did, because of ego, that is false.
Your messages in this echo provide evidence to the contrary.
Your public apology was fine. Had it ended there, great. But you kept
it going and kept puffing up your chest and declaring yourself the
supreme authority.
At first his node number was revoked, then he was welcome to re-apply.
It's simple. You come off as a wanna-be dictator who thinks he rules everything but doesn't realize it can all be taken away in the blink of
an eye should he overstep his authority.
Kind of reminds me of our current US President. Now it all makes sense.
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