• Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards

    From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Aug 7 12:43:02 2019
    Hi DM,

    I seem to remember there being an option to strip ANSI from messages in a sub-board, which I thought was in the toggle options for a sub-board, but I don't see that option there now. I see an option that says "Extra Attribute Codes", but I don't think that's the one I'm thinking of.. Am I remembering wrong?

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wed Aug 7 18:47:21 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Aug 07 2019 12:43 pm

    Hi DM,

    I seem to remember there being an option to strip ANSI from messages in a sub-board, which I thought was in the toggle options for a sub-board, but I don't see that option there now. I see an option that says "Extra
    Attribute
    Codes", but I don't think that's the one I'm thinking of.. Am I
    remembering
    wrong?

    There are options for converting EX-ASCII to ASCII when exporting to a message net. And there are options for what to do with Ctrl-A codes when exporting to QWK networks (they're always converted or stripped when exporting to FTN). But nothing specific to ANSI-encoded messages that I can recall, no.

    Raw ANSI in messages is challenging to deal with and generally frowned-upon (or disallowed) in message nets because not all BBS software will display *all* possisble ANSI sequences the same or handle them well. Color codes (e.g. pipe codes, Ctrl-A codes) are easy to strip, ignore, or convert to ANSI when desired, so they're usually preferred to raw ANSI.

    digital man

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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Aug 8 09:34:49 2019
    Subject: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    @MSGID: <5D4C24F9.221.dove-syncops@havens.synchronetbbs.org>
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    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 07 2019 06:47 pm

    Raw ANSI in messages is challenging to deal with and generally frowned-upon (or disallowed) in message nets because not all BBS software

    "Frowned upon"? What about the ones that encourage it? Is this a Synchronet rule?

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  • From Rampage@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Aug 8 10:51:31 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 07 2019 18:47:21

    Color codes (e.g. pipe codes, Ctrl-A codes) are easy to strip, ignore, or
    convert to ANSI when desired, so they're usually preferred to raw ANSI.

    they're also easily used unknowingly and then lead to some funny things being discovered... look at the software list at the end of the fido gazette when it is posted to the FIDOGAZETTE echo and you'll see inadvertent pipe codes being used which sbbs processes when displaying the message ;)

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thu Aug 8 11:36:15 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: HusTler to Digital Man on Thu Aug 08 2019 09:34 am

    Subject: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    @MSGID: <5D4C24F9.221.dove-syncops@havens.synchronetbbs.org>
    @REPLY: <5D4B7F29.45897.sync_sys@vert.synchro.net>
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    ^^^ These shouldn't be included in the message body and are an indication of a problem somewhere.

    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 07 2019 06:47 pm

    Raw ANSI in messages is challenging to deal with and generally frowned-upon (or disallowed) in message nets because not all BBS software

    "Frowned upon"? What about the ones that encourage it?

    That's fine for them. I was generalizing.

    Is this Synchronet rule?

    Synchronet doesn't have "rules" (it's a software application).

    But on DOVE-Net, I would recommend using Ctrl-A codes for encoding color information in messages.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Rampage on Thu Aug 8 11:37:28 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Rampage to Digital Man on Thu Aug 08 2019 10:51 am

    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Aug 07 2019 18:47:21

    Color codes (e.g. pipe codes, Ctrl-A codes) are easy to strip, ignore,
    or
    convert to ANSI when desired, so they're usually preferred to raw ANSI.

    they're also easily used unknowingly and then lead to some funny things being discovered... look at the software list at the end of the fido
    gazette
    when it is posted to the FIDOGAZETTE echo and you'll see inadvertent pipe codes being used which sbbs processes when displaying the message ;)

    That's a bummer about pipe codes. Of course, they can be disabled (even per sub-board).

    digital man

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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Aug 8 16:13:58 2019
    Subject: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
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    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Thu Aug 08 2019 11:36 am

    But on DOVE-Net, I would recommend using Ctrl-A codes for encoding color information in messages.

    Is that why my ansi's don't display right? I read on the wiki something about saving ansi screens with no more then 79 lines? I read this in the Avatar section. I use Pablodraw on Lubuntu to make my screens. When I save the ansi I use "automatic". What settings would you recommend to use so I can post on Dovenet? The ansi's I've been trying to post are fine when posted on a mystic board. Why is that? What do I need do to post on Dovenet correctly??

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thu Aug 8 15:04:51 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: HusTler to Digital Man on Thu Aug 08 2019 04:13 pm

    Is that why my ansi's don't display right? I read on the wiki something about saving ansi screens with no more then 79 lines? I read this in the
    I'd think no more than 79 columns, and the ANSI should have as many lines as you want. Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thu Aug 8 15:46:28 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: HusTler to Digital Man on Thu Aug 08 2019 04:13 pm

    Subject: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
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    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Thu Aug 08 2019 11:36 am

    But on DOVE-Net, I would recommend using Ctrl-A codes for encoding
    color
    information in messages.

    Is that why my ansi's don't display right?

    I don't think so. Seems you have some other issue.

    I read on the wiki something
    about saving ansi screens with no more then 79 lines?

    It's best not to depend on auto-screen-wrap of an 80 column terminal. Some terminals are wider or possibly won't auto-wrap. But that's just a generic ANSI artwork suggestion.

    I read this in the
    Avatar section. I use Pablodraw on Lubuntu to make my screens. When I save the ansi I use "automatic". What settings would you recommend to use so I can post on Dovenet?

    Save it as a Ctrl-A format file and post that.

    The ansi's I've been trying to post are fine when
    posted on a mystic board. Why is that?

    I don't know. Why don't you give me a link to one of your "ansi's" and I'll have a look at it. Perhaps even demonstrate that it can be posted just fine on a Synchronet board (or not).

    What do I need do to post on Dovenet correctly??

    That's kind of an open-ended question. For posting ANSIs, I would recommend you convert them to Ctrl-A format (.msg or .asc file) first and post that instead of raw ANSI.

    As for why you have QWK kludge lines in your message body, that is a mystery to me and definitely unexpected. What message editor are you using? Perhaps try posting a few test messages using different message editors, including the internal editor, and see if we get the same issues with all of them (or not).

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to HusTler on Thu Aug 8 16:05:57 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Thu Aug 08 2019 03:46 pm

    As for why you have QWK kludge lines in your message body, that is a
    mystery
    to me and definitely unexpected. What message editor are you using? Perhaps try posting a few test messages using different message editors, including the internal editor, and see if we get the same issues with all of them (or not).

    Okay, here's what's going on:

    You have SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT->Extended (QWKE) Packets set to "Yes" yet on Vertrauen, your QWKnet account (HAVENS) has this option set to "No":
    [X] Extended (QWKE) Packet Format: No

    That's a problem.

    digital man

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  • From Alterego@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Aug 9 09:28:41 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Thu Aug 08 2019 04:05 pm

    You have SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT->Extended (QWKE) Packets set to "Yes" yet on Vertrauen, your QWKnet account (HAVENS) has this option set to "No": [X] Extended (QWKE) Packet Format: No

    This prompted me to check my config, and I had "no" on both vert and my
    system.

    What is recommended?

    I changed mine to "yes" - thinking maybe I'll get something extra? ;)
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Alterego on Thu Aug 8 18:03:24 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Fri Aug 09 2019 09:28 am

    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Thu Aug 08 2019 04:05 pm

    You have SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT->Extended (QWKE) Packets set to "Yes" yet on Vertrauen, your QWKnet account (HAVENS) has this
    option
    set to "No": [X] Extended (QWKE) Packet Format: No

    This prompted me to check my config, and I had "no" on both vert and my system.

    What is recommended?

    I changed mine to "yes" - thinking maybe I'll get something extra? ;)

    http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dove-net

    If you have VOTING.DAT and HEADERS.DAT enabled (and it's supported by your software), the don't need most of the other options. You're not missing anything.

    digital man

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Digital Man on Fri Aug 9 13:50:40 2019

    On 2019 Aug 08 11:37:28, you wrote to Rampage:

    they're also easily used unknowingly and then lead to some funny things
    being discovered... look at the software list at the end of the fido
    gazette when it is posted to the FIDOGAZETTE echo and you'll see
    inadvertent pipe codes being used which sbbs processes when displaying
    the message ;)

    That's a bummer about pipe codes. Of course, they can be disabled
    (even per sub-board).

    yeah, that's the tough part when using template areas in groups... remembering to go back and manually adjust the various areas that are slightly different without having to create another new group which breaks the grouping idea into fragments... i've already danced that dance with the various sysop-only, z1-only, and z1-sysop-only areas and it isn't all that fun... especially when areas are added or moved from one group to another :(

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  • From HusTler@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Aug 9 18:09:34 2019
    Re: Stripping ANSI from messages in sub-boards
    By: Alterego to Digital Man on Fri Aug 09 2019 09:28 am

    By: Digital Man to HusTler on Thu Aug 08 2019 04:05 pm

    You have SCFG->Networks->QWK->Hubs->VERT->Extended (QWKE) Packets
    set to "Yes" yet on Vertrauen, your QWKnet account (HAVENS) has this
    option set to "No": [X] Extended (QWKE) Packet Format: No


    Done.

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