• Scanning documents using an mfc-8480dn

    From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to All on Mon Aug 23 23:03:53 2021
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.

    I gather there are "scanner drivers" named brscan2 and brscan3,
    but neither is available via apt-get and it's unclear if they're
    even relevant to linux or the Raspberry Pi.

    Thanks for reading, and any suggestions!

    bob prohaska
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  • From Pancho@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Tue Aug 24 09:28:00 2021
    On 24/08/2021 00:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.

    I gather there are "scanner drivers" named brscan2 and brscan3,
    but neither is available via apt-get and it's unclear if they're
    even relevant to linux or the Raspberry Pi.

    Thanks for reading, and any suggestions!

    bob prohaska


    As an alternative idea...

    From my scanner (not a Brother), you can scan directly to a network
    share mounted on the rpi, in my case SMB. I suspect this would work on
    the MFC-8480dn, too. I also suspect the MFC-8480dn provides a web
    interface - "Web based management".

    Everything is done from the scanner, so no driver is required on the rpi.

    If required you can also set up stuff like OCR on the rPi, e.g. OCRmyPDF.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Tue Aug 24 10:26:37 2021
    On 24/08/2021 00:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.

    I gather there are "scanner drivers" named brscan2 and brscan3,
    but neither is available via apt-get and it's unclear if they're
    even relevant to linux or the Raspberry Pi.

    Thanks for reading, and any suggestions!

    bob prohaska


    scanning support is poor for most scanners
    Sometimes the manufacturer will provide x86 drivers and code. otherwise
    you have to rely on sometimes minimal support via SANE.

    I have disabled that for my scanner, since it drove it past its end
    stops and use only the Epson supplied X86 program


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  • From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Wed Aug 25 03:01:42 2021
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 24/08/2021 00:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.


    scanning support is poor for most scanners
    Sometimes the manufacturer will provide x86 drivers and code. otherwise
    you have to rely on sometimes minimal support via SANE.

    I have disabled that for my scanner, since it drove it past its end
    stops and use only the Epson supplied X86 program

    Is that to say xsane is my only option? I thought maybe it
    was part of something else that had to be installed.

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska
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  • From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to Pancho on Wed Aug 25 03:03:39 2021
    Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 24/08/2021 00:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.

    I gather there are "scanner drivers" named brscan2 and brscan3,
    but neither is available via apt-get and it's unclear if they're
    even relevant to linux or the Raspberry Pi.

    Thanks for reading, and any suggestions!

    bob prohaska


    As an alternative idea...

    From my scanner (not a Brother), you can scan directly to a network
    share mounted on the rpi, in my case SMB. I suspect this would work on
    the MFC-8480dn, too. I also suspect the MFC-8480dn provides a web
    interface - "Web based management".

    Everything is done from the scanner, so no driver is required on the rpi.

    Scanner docs aren't a lot of help, but I'll start digging.

    Thanks for the hint,

    bob prohaska
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  • From Stewart Russell@3:770/3 to All on Wed Aug 25 17:24:58 2021
    Long shot: since your AIO supports IPP (AirPrint), it *might* support AirScan (aka eSCL). So try

    sudo apt install sane-airscan

    then try firing up xsane. It might offer you the option of your scanner on the network (can take a while). One you know the AirScan address, you can also use it with the simple scanimage command line tool, which is faster than xsane once you know your
    way around it.

    cheers,
    Stewart
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  • From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to Stewart Russell on Thu Aug 26 19:43:26 2021
    Stewart Russell <scruss@gmail.com> wrote:
    Long shot: since your AIO supports IPP (AirPrint), it *might* support AirScan (aka eSCL). So try

    sudo apt install sane-airscan

    then try firing up xsane. It might offer you the option of your scanner on the network (can take a while). One you know the AirScan address, you can also use it with the simple scanimage command line tool, which is faster than xsane once you know your
    way around it.


    Alas, sane-airscan isn't found by apt. However, I don't think it'll help anyway, the printer/scanner/fax is wired-network only. I can run xsane
    and it reports no devices found, even though the web management page
    comes up just fine using the printer's IP number in chromium. Running
    apropos scanner
    shows a list of scanner drivers, but nothing for Brother. Running sane-find-scanner seems to look only for USB and parallel scanners, so
    that's no help.

    Brother's website claims support for Linux, but I'm pretty sure that'll
    be for x86 flavors only, unless the driver is written in some hardware- agnostic way. Is that a possibility?

    Thanks for writing!

    bob prohaska
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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to Martin Gregorie on Thu Aug 26 21:02:26 2021
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 20:58:50 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:

    How much detail can you find on the Brother website or in searches?
    Have you tried looking at their website from an RPi?

    Meant to add "....because its possible they may tailor what their website
    shows to match the hardware and OS that originated the request."


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  • From Martin Gregorie@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Thu Aug 26 20:58:50 2021
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 19:43:26 +0000, bob prohaska wrote:

    Brother's website claims support for Linux, but I'm pretty sure that'll
    be for x86 flavors only, unless the driver is written in some hardware- agnostic way. Is that a possibility?

    How much detail can you find on the Brother website or in searches?
    Have you tried looking at their website from an RPi?

    Might be worth doing that simply because the amount of detail does vary
    between printer and scanner makers. I know nothing about Brother, but was
    quite impressed by the detail that HP provide and the variety of OS/
    hardware that they support. Samr goes for Epson.

    The other thing to keep an eye out for is that some brands, notably Epson
    and HP, use a very standard set of commands to drive their hardware: I've successfully used the driver for an Epson MX80 (monochrome 8 pin dor
    matrix printer to get perfect print from both their 24 pin LQ dot matrix
    and their Stylus series inkjets because all use doalects of the same
    Esc/P command set. Similarly, I know that the print command set of the
    old HP Laserjet 2 printer gets god results driving any of their later
    printers (LJ5 and M402 series lasers).

    Not promising that this will help with a Brother, except that it seems reasonable that, as a manufacturer adds features to class of device,
    they'll extend a command set that they know already works rather than
    slinging it away and starting over from scratch.


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Fri Aug 27 02:13:54 2021
    On 26/08/2021 20:43, bob prohaska wrote:
    Brother's website claims support for Linux, but I'm pretty sure that'll
    be for x86 flavors only, unless the driver is written in some hardware- agnostic way. Is that a possibility?

    Not that I know of.

    But it might be reverse engineerable if its all networked


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Martin Gregorie on Fri Aug 27 02:17:11 2021
    On 26/08/2021 22:02, Martin Gregorie wrote:
    On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 20:58:50 +0000, Martin Gregorie wrote:

    How much detail can you find on the Brother website or in searches?
    Have you tried looking at their website from an RPi?

    Meant to add "....because its possible they may tailor what their website shows to match the hardware and OS that originated the request."

    #LINUX
    Scanner Driver (Download)
    File Name: brscan3-0.2.13-1.i386.deb
    File Format: .deb
    Ver.0.2.13-1 (latest version)
    File Sizes: 0.05 MB

    Support OS
    Debian 32-bit OS.

    Scanner Driver (Download)
    File Name: brscan3-0.2.13-1.amd64.deb
    File Format: .deb
    Ver.0.2.13-1 (latest version)
    File Sizes: 0.06 MB

    Support OS
    Debian 64-bit OS.

    If the scanner driver has been installed on your system, updating (overwriting-installing) can fix various problems, add new functions to
    the machine printer, or just upgrade to the latest available version.

    If you have decided that this driver package is what you need, all you
    need to do is click the download button and install the package on the
    working printer. If not, check back with our website so that you don't
    miss the releases needed on your system.

    So debian and children on x86 only

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  • From Pancho@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Fri Aug 27 08:07:51 2021
    On 25/08/2021 04:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 24/08/2021 00:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.

    I gather there are "scanner drivers" named brscan2 and brscan3,
    but neither is available via apt-get and it's unclear if they're
    even relevant to linux or the Raspberry Pi.

    Thanks for reading, and any suggestions!

    bob prohaska


    As an alternative idea...

    From my scanner (not a Brother), you can scan directly to a network
    share mounted on the rpi, in my case SMB. I suspect this would work on
    the MFC-8480dn, too. I also suspect the MFC-8480dn provides a web
    interface - "Web based management".

    Everything is done from the scanner, so no driver is required on the rpi.

    Scanner docs aren't a lot of help, but I'll start digging.

    Thanks for the hint,

    bob prohaska


    Yeah, I had a quick look and couldn't see save to network drive. I did
    see that you could send scans to a smtp server, which is a round about
    way of achieving the same thing.
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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Pancho on Fri Aug 27 09:48:43 2021
    On 27/08/2021 08:07, Pancho wrote:
    On 25/08/2021 04:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Pancho <Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com> wrote:
    On 24/08/2021 00:03, bob prohaska wrote:
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.

    I gather there are "scanner drivers" named brscan2 and brscan3,
    but neither is available via apt-get and it's unclear if they're
    even relevant to linux or the Raspberry Pi.

    Thanks for reading, and any suggestions!

    bob prohaska


    As an alternative idea...

     From my scanner (not a Brother), you can scan directly to a network
    share mounted on the rpi, in my case SMB. I suspect this would work on
    the MFC-8480dn, too. I also suspect the MFC-8480dn provides a web
    interface - "Web based management".

    Everything is done from the scanner, so no driver is required on the
    rpi.

    Scanner docs aren't a lot of help, but I'll start digging.

    Thanks for the hint,

    bob prohaska


    Yeah, I had a quick look and couldn't see save to network drive. I did
    see that you could send scans to a smtp server, which is a round about
    way of achieving the same thing.

    very easy to set up one of those on a Pi...

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  • From Allen@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Fri Aug 27 15:51:46 2021
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote in news:sg19gp$djj$1@dont-email.me:

    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS?

    Yep! Can use https://www.hamrick.com, simply, fast, efficent and for all RPI.

    https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/brother_mfc_8480dn.html#technical-information

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Allen on Fri Aug 27 17:46:07 2021
    On 27/08/2021 16:51, Allen wrote:
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote in news:sg19gp$djj$1@dont-email.me:

    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS?

    Yep! Can use https://www.hamrick.com, simply, fast, efficent and for all RPI.

    https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/brother_mfc_8480dn.html#technical-information


    "VueScan is compatible with the Brother MFC-8480DN on Windows x86,
    Windows x64, Windows RT, Windows 10 ARM, Mac OS X and Linux."

    But not ARM linux.

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  • From Chris Hughes@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Fri Aug 27 18:10:15 2021
    In message <sgb4sf$4go$2@dont-email.me>
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 27/08/2021 16:51, Allen wrote:
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote in news:sg19gp$djj$1@dont-email.me:

    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS?

    Yep! Can use https://www.hamrick.com, simply, fast, efficent and for all
    RPI.

    https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/brother_mfc_8480dn.html#technical-informat >> ion


    "VueScan is compatible with the Brother MFC-8480DN on Windows x86,
    Windows x64, Windows RT, Windows 10 ARM, Mac OS X and Linux."

    But not ARM linux.

    My first post on this usenet group,

    But according to https://www.hamrick.com/alternate-versions.html

    There are now versions for ARM32 and ARM64 on Linux

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  • From Johann Klammer@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Fri Aug 27 19:16:59 2021
    On 08/24/2021 01:03 AM, bob prohaska wrote:
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS? I've got gimp
    and xsane installed, but neither can see the 8480. However, it
    functions just fine as a network printer, so at least the
    communications part is working ok. I can telnet into the printer,
    but apart from looking around I'm fairly clueless. Typing
    show netscan reports
    Network scan is enabled
    but that's all she writes.

    I gather there are "scanner drivers" named brscan2 and brscan3,
    but neither is available via apt-get and it's unclear if they're
    even relevant to linux or the Raspberry Pi.

    Thanks for reading, and any suggestions!

    bob prohaska


    I believe you have to install them from the brother homepage.
    I have a DCP 7010 here. and had to do that....ages ago.. tho I do not remember what exactly I did. I do remember digging through their source code to figure out why
    my scans were truncated. (GIMP likes to crash on truncated pnm files)
    So, you might have to fix that.
    The brscan is a sane backend. So you will have to install that too.
    use xsane et all, or their commandline versions.

    sometimes you will get error messages as the printer driver(CUPS)
    seems to fight in there with the sane driver over the USB port or something. and there is always that one TCP packet stuck in the receive queue...

    tcp 1 0 localhost.localdo:47019 localhost.localdoma:ipp CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 localhost.localdo:47020 localhost.localdoma:ipp CLOSE_WAIT

    (it will /never/ close)


    well, it is LINUX after all..
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  • From bob prohaska@3:770/3 to Chris Hughes on Sat Aug 28 00:15:09 2021
    Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:


    But according to https://www.hamrick.com/alternate-versions.html

    There are now versions for ARM32 and ARM64 on Linux


    Seems to be true. The website stuffed a downloaded file called
    vuea32-9.765.tgz into my downloads directory without being asked.
    It's claimed to be for a Raspberry Pi, which rather implies ARM..

    I'm trying to use the tools available without spending money on
    something that'll be used _very_ infrequently. The scanner has
    a Scan to Nework and a Scan to FTP function that appears to be
    configurable using the web server on the printer. So far I haven't
    figured out what the configuration procedure is, but that's likely
    the thing to pursue. So far, it seems that Brother's Control Center
    software is key to setting it up, which is unfortunate.

    In the worst case I can always scan to a USB stick...... and, it
    still works with my old iMac.

    Thanks to everybody !

    bob prohaska


    In the worst case
    the machine will scan to a USB flash drive
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  • From Joe@3:770/3 to bob prohaska on Sat Aug 28 09:02:45 2021
    On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 00:15:09 -0000 (UTC)
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:


    But according to https://www.hamrick.com/alternate-versions.html

    There are now versions for ARM32 and ARM64 on Linux


    Seems to be true. The website stuffed a downloaded file called vuea32-9.765.tgz into my downloads directory without being asked.
    It's claimed to be for a Raspberry Pi, which rather implies ARM..

    I'm trying to use the tools available without spending money on
    something that'll be used _very_ infrequently. The scanner has
    a Scan to Nework and a Scan to FTP function that appears to be
    configurable using the web server on the printer. So far I haven't
    figured out what the configuration procedure is, but that's likely
    the thing to pursue. So far, it seems that Brother's Control Center
    software is key to setting it up, which is unfortunate.

    In the worst case I can always scan to a USB stick...... and, it
    still works with my old iMac.


    Most modern printers will scan to email, but they don't generally have
    an MTA built in (how daft is that?) so my oldest Pi is actually sitting
    under a corporate desk somewhere running exim4 just for their scanner.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:770/3 to Chris Hughes on Sat Aug 28 11:10:32 2021
    On 27/08/2021 18:10, Chris Hughes wrote:
    In message <sgb4sf$4go$2@dont-email.me>
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 27/08/2021 16:51, Allen wrote:
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote in news:sg19gp$djj$1@dont-email.me: >>>
    Can a Brother MFC-8480dn all-in-one printer/scanner/fax be used to
    scan and import images into a Pi4 running RaspiOS?

    Yep! Can use https://www.hamrick.com, simply, fast, efficent and for all >>> RPI.

    https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/brother_mfc_8480dn.html#technical-informat >>> ion


    "VueScan is compatible with the Brother MFC-8480DN on Windows x86,
    Windows x64, Windows RT, Windows 10 ARM, Mac OS X and Linux."

    But not ARM linux.

    My first post on this usenet group,

    But according to https://www.hamrick.com/alternate-versions.html

    There are now versions for ARM32 and ARM64 on Linux

    But only foe WINDOWS on ARM, not LINUX


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  • From A. Dumas@3:770/3 to The Natural Philosopher on Sat Aug 28 11:53:42 2021
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 27/08/2021 18:10, Chris Hughes wrote:
    But according to https://www.hamrick.com/alternate-versions.html
    There are now versions for ARM32 and ARM64 on Linux

    But only foe WINDOWS on ARM, not LINUX

    It's there, check again.
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