• Re: Mar-A-Lago Search War

    From MIKE POWELL@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Wed Jun 14 17:28:00 2023
    | What evidence makes you think Joe Biden has done something wrong?
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    | If there was evidence of serious crimes he would have been charged.

    Not if they take 5+ years to drag it out.

    I know he did something wrong. We deal with federal data where I work. It
    is not classified like some of what he had, but we'd get in big trouble for removing it from the premises and storing it where he did. Even if we
    turned ourselves in, like he did, we'd be facing both federal and state
    charges whose penalties are heafty fines and possible prison time.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Jun 14 23:54:46 2023
    I know he did something wrong. We deal with federal data where I work. It is not classified like some of what he had, but we'd get in big trouble for removing it from the premises and storing it where he did. Even if we
    turned ourselves in, like he did, we'd be facing both federal and state charges whose penalties are heafty fines and possible prison time.

    What was his criminal intent and what did he do?

    If you or me took classified documents we would be woken a few hours before the time we usually get up with high powered weapons pointed at us and we would be carted off to jail and likely would spend a great deal of time there.

    Really, what did Joe Biden do?

    Donald Trump repeats almost daily that he took documents from the white house.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Thu Jun 15 14:13:24 2023
    Exactly. Intent does not matter.

    Intent matters, ask a lawyer.

    Really, what did Joe Biden do?

    As you pointed out, he did something that would have got either of us ambushed by federal agents and jailed, likely for a long time.

    Yes, but Joe Biden didn't do that.

    Donald Trump repeats almost daily that he took documents from the white
    ouse.

    And it sounds like he should not have. But that doesn't make Joe Biden any less guilty of a similar offense.

    Donald Trump is not cleared by the actions (or not) of Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Hunter Biden or anyone else.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Jun 15 15:03:00 2023
    I know he did something wrong. We deal with federal data where I work. It is not classified like some of what he had, but we'd get in big trouble for removing it from the premises and storing it where he did. Even if we turned ourselves in, like he did, we'd be facing both federal and state charges whose penalties are heafty fines and possible prison time.

    What was his criminal intent and what did he do?

    If you or me took classified documents we would be woken a few hours before
    h
    time we usually get up with high powered weapons pointed at us and we would
    e
    arted off to jail and likely would spend a great deal of time there.

    Exactly. Intent does not matter.

    Really, what did Joe Biden do?

    As you pointed out, he did something that would have got either of us
    ambushed by federal agents and jailed, likely for a long time.

    Donald Trump repeats almost daily that he took documents from the white
    ouse.

    And it sounds like he should not have. But that doesn't make Joe Biden any less guilty of a similar offense.


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