Interesting development... Seems that the documents Trump took with him were the documents on the corrupt Crossfire Hurricane fiasco. This was all the evidence needed if he was to eventually hold the evil doers accountable.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/breaking-signed-letter-president-trum
-reveals-he-declassified/
This shows the actual document Trump signed to declassify said documents.
Ergo, they were not classified...
You are going to have to come up with some real facts if you want anyone to pay any attention.
Ergo, they were not classified...
Do you think that is the issue?
Ergo, they were not classified...
Do you think that is the issue?
May or may not be... They usually don't raid homes for unclassified material..
they may have something going like Bragg in NY where he's trying
to make a federal case, one that he has no jurisdiction in, maybe they have something cooking like that...
This shows the actual document Trump signed to declassify said documents.
Ergo, they were not classified...
Do you think that is the issue?
Trump took documents that didn't belong to him. Some were classified and some were not.
He was asked to return those documents but he did not. When the FBI went looking for the doco's at Mar-a-Lago they found them (some of them, some are still missing). That is the issue.
Do you think that is the issue?
Actually that has been one of the issues. That is, the claim that Trump declassified the documents could not be correct because he was no longer president when he supposedly "declassified" them. If he did so before leaving office, that means he apparently did have the authority to
declassify the documents.
Trump declassified the documents, like he said he did. None were classified because he declassified them. Documents revealed the other day on twitter, later discussed on the news reinforces this.
On 06-07-23 09:34, Ib Joe <=-
spoke to All about Mar-a-lago Raid <=-
Interesting development... Seems that the documents Trump
took with him were the documents on the corrupt Crossfire
Hurricane fiasco. This was all the evidence needed if he
was to eventually hold the evil doers accountable.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/06/breaking-signed- letter-president-trump
-reveals-he-declassified/
This shows the actual document Trump signed to declassify said
documents.
Ergo, they were not classified...
IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-
You are going to have to come up with some real facts if you want anyone to pay any attention.
I did, they showed you the document...
Uh huh. You can say anything you like.
I wouldn't suggest anyone make an argument like that in court.
You are going to have to come up with some real facts if you want anyone
to pay any attention.
I did, they showed you the document...
But the document went against Alan's Narrative, therefore it got ignored.
Uh huh. You can say anything you like.
I wouldn't suggest anyone make an argument like that in court.
And they will....
a President can declassify anything they want. They have ultimate
authority. And they have a document to prove the declassification... Interesting!!!
This could be why they are going after Trump on some process crime instead.
Actually that has been one of the issues. That is, the claim that Trump declassified the documents could not be correct because he was no longer president when he supposedly "declassified" them. If he did so before leaving office, that means he apparently did have the authority to declassify the documents.
Uh huh. I don't think classified documents get declassified because they made e trip from the White House to Mar-a-Lago (or some other place).
This idea that documents can be declassified simply buy thinking about it or
nding order is beyond ridiculous.
3. None of that is relevant to the hundreds of classified documents that
were found in Trump's procession, some of which were TS/SCI.
The President, while he is President, can declassify as least some
categories of classified documents. So, if he was President when he did
so, and they were in a category that he could declassify, they are declassified.
Your fur... er, prime minister may have many more absolute powers, but the
US President has a few powers of his own.
Donald Trump has not been president since Jan 2021.
Donald Trump has not been president since Jan 2021.
And he declassified the documents on the way out the door...
You are going to have to come up with some real facts if you want anyone
to pay any attention.
I did, they showed you the document...
But the document went against Alan's Narrative, therefore it got ignored.
The document is a nothing burger. Enjoy!
Uh huh. You can say anything you like.
I wouldn't suggest anyone make an argument like that in court.
And they will....
I don't recommend that.
a President can declassify anything they want. They have ultimate
authority. And they have a document to prove the declassification...
Interesting!!!
Donald Trump has not been president since Jan 2021.
This could be why they are going after Trump on some process crime instead.
Why did Donald Trump not simply return these documents?
I don't think anyone asked him for much, return the documents.
Donald Trump has not been president since Jan 2021.
And he declassified the documents on the way out the door...
Documents don't get declassified "on the way out the door".
ar-a-LaThe President, while he is President, can declassify as least some categories of classified documents. So, if he was President when he did so, and they were in a category that he could declassify, they are declassified.
Of course he can, noone suggested he couldn't.
I'll say it again since you seem to keep missing the point.
Documents don't get declassified simply because they made the trip to
(or any other place). It also doesn't happen based on a standing order that
uments moved from one place to any other place are declassified.
Your fur... er, prime minister may have many more absolute powers, but the US President has a few powers of his own.
The Prime Minister of Canada has many absolute powers just like the President
the USA.
In both cases these leaders can be removed by the voters in those countries.
The document is a nothing burger. Enjoy!
Would that be fully dressed? Or nothing on it?
Uh huh. You can say anything you like.
I wouldn't suggest anyone make an argument like that in court.
And they will....
I don't recommend that.
Trump does it all time.
So why not anybody else?
a President can declassify anything they want. They have ultimate
authority. And they have a document to prove the declassification...
Interesting!!!
Donald Trump has not been president since Jan 2021.
Once a president always a president.
When addressing Donald Trump, he is always to be addressed
as Mr. President - whether he is or only in his own mind.
This could be why they are going after Trump on some process crime instead.
Why did Donald Trump not simply return these documents?
Because they were HIS! And nobody else had the right to take them!
I don't think anyone asked him for much, return the documents.
He had them right where he wanted them - by his bedside.
After all, they were HIS documents. To do with what he wanted.
Documents don't get declassified "on the way out the door".
Apparently they can... There is no special procedure for a president to declassify...
Moreover, an official document signed by trump was released the
other day. He took the documents about the Russia hoax and the deep state is worried..
Apparently you didn't understand the part where I agreed with you on that, and then pointed out that some of the documents may have been declassified WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT and not part of some "trip to Mar-a-Lago" scheme.
You keep going on like some damn broken record, parroting the same crap
over and over. It has not been proven that all of the documents he had
were still classified. I do find it hard to believe that they all were officially declassified because there were so many of them.
Your fur... er, prime minister may have many more absolute powers, but the >> > US President has a few powers of his own.
The Prime Minister of Canada has many absolute powers just like the President >> the USA.
In both cases these leaders can be removed by the voters in those countries.
Didn't your current PM's party actually get voted out, but then he used his powers to stay in power, sort of like, I don't know, a dictator?
* SLMR 2.1a * Overhead the albatross hangs motionless upon the air...
On 06-08-23 18:53, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Mar-a-lago Raid <=-
3. None of that is relevant to the hundreds of classified documents that were found in Trump's procession, some of which were TS/SCI.
For the laymen in the audience, TS/SCI would be a classification, or classifications, of documents that a President does not have the
authority to declassify?
On 06-09-23 05:59, Ib Joe <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Re: Mar-a-lago search war <=-
On 08 Jun 2023, Alan Ianson said the following...
Donald Trump has not been president since Jan 2021.
And he declassified the documents on the way out the door...
Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-
You keep going on like some damn broken record, parroting the same crap over and over.
It has not been proven that all of the documents he had
were still classified. I do find it hard to believe that they all were officially declassified because there were so many of them.
The only thing that's obvious with the classified documents is:
1. The Trump document situation is harassment. There may be something there, but it's minor compared to...
2. The Biden document situation which is majorly illegal - since Biden didn't
have the authority to declassify them, and they were not stored properly. Yet
this seems to be getting sweeped under the rug.
and
3. The Trump indictment came right when we have proof of Biden taking bribes a
VP. Can anyone say "distraction"?
Really? Should the person or agency that classified the documents originally be involved?
No... you should look up the case they had against Bill Clinton... Court case
The National Archives does not have the authority to designate materials as presidential records. It lacks any right, duty, or means to seize control of them.
The judge adopted the very argument made in court by the Justice Department:
Here's the problem... there is a legal president... Judge says there is no authority higher than the president...
Hopefully the judge in Florida is a constitutionalist and doesn't get
dragged into the partisan garbage and she sees it for what it is...
Political garbage
The classification of these documents is not the issue.
If trump had simply returned the documents when he was asked to we would not >> be talking about this.
Actually it is an issue. If they were not classified, he'd not be in
trouble for not returning them when asked.
What was Trump doing with these documents and why?
If you had read what IB Joe posted, supposedly he was hoping to use them to prove the Russian Collusion hoax was the hoax it turned out to be.
He has actually tried to change the debate now... from whether or not they could have been declassified to it doesn't matter what their classification was. <rollseyes>
The classification of these documents is not the issue.
If trump had simply returned the documents when he was asked to we would not
talking about this.
What was Trump doing with these documents and why?
For the laymen in the audience, TS/SCI would be a classification, or classifications, of documents that a President does not have the authority to declassify?
I am not certain as to how far the autority for a sitting President goes
into what they might or might not be able to declassify, especially
without coordination with the issuing authority. There were documents
kept at Mara Logo with the marking of ORCON which can be declassified
(or even distributed) only with approval of the issuing authority.
You keep going on like some damn broken record, parroting the same crap over and over.
That's what the Ignorant Elites do when presented with facts. They just keep repeating what they WANT to be true. After all, if you repeat the lie enough times, it becomes true, right?
etIt has not been proven that all of the documents he had
were still classified. I do find it hard to believe that they all were officially declassified because there were so many of them.
The only thing that's obvious with the classified documents is:
1. The Trump document situation is harassment. There may be something there, but it's minor compared to...
2. The Biden document situation which is majorly illegal - since Biden didn't have the authority to declassify them, and they were not stored properly.
this seems to be getting sweeped under the rug.
3. The Trump indictment came right when we have proof of Biden taking bribes
VP. Can anyone say "distraction"?
While the president does have authority, they are presidential records after all.. the presidential records are owned by the people, not the president.
I bought a hard copy of the constitution and I red it today.. as well as all of the amendments, the Declaration of Independence and as well as the Articles of Confederation....
Anyway... Trump had copies, not originals.... all presidents take copies.
Presidents have Plenary Authority....
and they can take whatever they want...
think Obama has over 300,000,000 documents stored somewhere...
George W, and all presidents dating back to the origins of the Presidential Records Act have copies of Documents and "ALL" have stored them in a hap-hazzard way.
The current president stored classified documents in a car garage and as VP or senator he did not have Plenary Authority to have any of these documents.
The Presidential Records Act has no legal jurisdiction here... This
is why the are trying the espionage angel. Hopefully the judge that was appointed to the case will not be buying the Biden administration's brand of BS.
On 06-10-23 14:23, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Alan Ianson about Mar-a-lago search warrant <=-
The classification of these documents is not the issue.
If trump had simply returned the documents when he was asked to we would not talking about this.
Actually it is an issue. If they were not classified, he'd not be in trouble for not returning them when asked.
What was Trump doing with these documents and why?
If you had read what IB Joe posted, supposedly he was hoping to use
them to prove the Russian Collusion hoax was the hoax it turned out to
be.
While the president does have authority, they are presidential records
after all.. the presidential records are owned by the people, not the
president.
I bought a hard copy of the constitution and I red it today..
as well as all of the amendments,
the Declaration of Independence
and as well as the Articles of Confederation....
Anyway... Trump had copies, not originals.... all presidents take copies.
I bought a hard copy of the constitution and I red it today..
All in one sitting? Wow! Do you remember the first three words?
Those are the most important. "We the People ..."
as well as all of the amendments,
Those had to be added after the original was passed and ratified.
the Declaration of Independence
The Declaration of Independence is not part of the US Constitution,
but does express a few things this country is founded on. You really should read the whole thing, not just the first part. And remember
those who signed it became instant enemies of the state, having a
price on their heads.
and as well as the Articles of Confederation....
The Articles of Confederation is not, and never has been, a part
of the US Constitution. During its very brief run as our law of the
land, people from everywhere realized it was unworkable and ditched
it so a new one would have to be written.
Even if Trump had, or does have, a copy of the US Constitution,
he would not understand a single word it says.
He has actually tried to change the debate now... from whether or not they could have been declassified to it doesn't matter what their classification was. <rollseyes>
I am not, you are.
Actually it is an issue. If they were not classified, he'd not be in trouble for not returning them when asked.
Wrong. Although the 31 documents included in the indictment are
classified, they are still National Defense Information whether or not
they are. I have been told that in fact the Espionage Act on NDI was
written *before* the current classification system came into being --
i.e. the violation of that act does not depend on them being classified,
just that they are NDI. Whether or not that interpretation is true or
not, I leave to the lawyers.
He has actually tried to change the debate now... from whether or not they >>> could have been declassified to it doesn't matter what their classification >> > was. <rollseyes>
I am not, you are.
False.
I would go back and find the messages that contradict your claim, including direct quotes from you, but then you would only claim that you "didn't say that" even though it is quoted directly back and you are the source.
Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-
He has actually tried to change the debate now... from whether or not
they could have been declassified to it doesn't matter what their classification was. <rollseyes>
It has been totally swept under. Yes, Biden did cooperate, but why was
no one looking for those (while they were Trump's) and, considering
where all they were stored (including very insecure places like the garage!), who all had access to them?
Also, yeah, he was not President when they were removed, so why is no
one on his case legally about it? I did not hear Obama come forward to say "oh, yeah, I declassified those for Joe to take home."
Funny how all of the Trump stuff lately has happened just as something else has come up about the Bidens.
Funny how all of the Trump stuff lately has happened just as something
else has come up about the Bidens.
Ya, must be a coincidence - again.
On 06-11-23 08:17, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Mar-a-lago search wa <=-
Wrong. Although the 31 documents included in the indictment are
classified, they are still National Defense Information whether or not
they are. I have been told that in fact the Espionage Act on NDI was written *before* the current classification system came into being --
i.e. the violation of that act does not depend on them being classified, just that they are NDI. Whether or not that interpretation is true or
not, I leave to the lawyers.
If they contain NDI, I would expect them to be classified, so I stand
on my statement. If they were not classified (because they contain
NDI), he'd not be in trouble for not returning them.
They were apparently classified, because they do apparently contain
NDI, so he is being investigated.
If this was before the current classification system, then he'd still
be in trouble, yes.
heHe has actually tried to change the debate now... from whether or not
lassificatiocould have been declassified to it doesn't matter what their
was. <rollseyes>
I am not, you are.
False.
True. I have tried to convey this to you.
onI would go back and find the messages that contradict your claim, including direct quotes from you, but then you would only claim that you "didn't say that" even though it is quoted directly back and you are the source.
I may comment when someone brings up the "presidential records act", but I
think that is the big issue here.
A bigger issue is what did Donald Trump do with all these documents?
True. I have tried to convey this to you.
To convey that the debate changed, yes.
A bigger issue is what did Donald Trump do with all these documents?
Apparently, he kept them at Mar-a-Lago where the government thinks that 30+ of them should not have been kept. We shall see what happens with these charges.
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