• Fascism and Socialism

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Oct 30 11:43:00 2022
    Furthermore, the Nazis, despite their name, were a right-wing
    fascist organization.

    The father of Fascism was a ardent socialist. He was the editor of the
    largest Socialist publication in his country, if not all of Europe. His
    belief that in order for socialism to take hold nationally the Socialists needed to abandon their belief neutrality in WWI (because fighting would
    spark a revolution), he got kicked out of the publication.

    When he continued spreading his beliefs by publishing his own periodical,
    he got kicked out of the party. While he would go on to persecute
    Socialists leaders (capitalization here important) because they were a
    threat to his rise to power, he did not change his overall socialist views.

    Fascism is basically Socialism with Nationalism mixed in.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Oct 30 14:46:42 2022
    On 30 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Furthermore, the Nazis, despite their name, were a right-wing
    fascist organization.
    The father of Fascism was a ardent socialist. He was the editor of the largest Socialist publication in his country, if not all of Europe. His belief that in order for socialism to take hold nationally the Socialists needed to abandon their belief neutrality in WWI (because fighting would spark a revolution), he got kicked out of the publication.
    When he continued spreading his beliefs by publishing his own periodical, he got kicked out of the party. While he would go on to persecute Socialists leaders (capitalization here important) because they were a threat to his rise to power, he did not change his overall socialist views.

    I suppose you're referring to Georges Valois? He was not a socialist, but
    could not be openly right-wing without endangering his employment.

    Fascism is 100% right-wing. Both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini led far-right governments.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Oct 30 18:55:00 2022
    Furthermore, the Nazis, despite their name, were a right-wing
    fascist organization.
    The father of Fascism was a ardent socialist. He was the editor of the largest Socialist publication in his country, if not all of Europe. His belief that in order for socialism to take hold nationally the Socialists
    needed to abandon their belief neutrality in WWI (because fighting would spark a revolution), he got kicked out of the publication.
    When he continued spreading his beliefs by publishing his own periodical,
    he got kicked out of the party. While he would go on to persecute Socialists leaders (capitalization here important) because they were a threat to his rise to power, he did not change his overall socialist views.

    I suppose you're referring to Georges Valois? He was not a socialist, but could not be openly right-wing without endangering his employment.

    No, I was describing Mussolini himself.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Oct 30 20:56:40 2022
    On 30 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I suppose you're referring to Georges Valois? He was not a socialist, bu could not be openly right-wing without endangering his employment.
    No, I was describing Mussolini himself.

    Ah, Mussolini was not the "father" of fascism, nor was he socialist. The Italian regime under "Il Duce" was extremely right-wing.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 15:10:40 2022
    Hello Mike,

    [..]

    Fascism is basically Socialism with Nationalism mixed in.

    You are so full of shit your eyes are turning brown.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Oct 31 16:18:00 2022
    Ah, Mussolini was not the "father" of fascism, nor was he socialist. The Italian regime under "Il Duce" was extremely right-wing.

    The person I described was indeed Mussolini. He was a member of the
    Socialist party and rose to become the editor of Avanti! He lost that job
    when he advocated for the party abandoning its neutral stance in WWI, as he believed the war was the way to trigger the socialist revolution. He
    started publishing his own paper to get his message across and got kicked out of the party.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 17:15:23 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Ah, Mussolini was not the "father" of fascism, nor was he socialist. The Italian regime under "Il Duce" was extremely right-wing.
    The person I described was indeed Mussolini. He was a member of the Socialist party and rose to become the editor of Avanti! He lost that
    job when he advocated for the party abandoning its neutral stance in
    WWI, as he believed the war was the way to trigger the socialist revolution. He started publishing his own paper to get his message
    across and got kicked out of the party.

    And by WWII, he was a full-blown, far-right-wing fascist.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Nov 1 07:49:19 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    I suppose you're referring to Georges Valois? He was not a
    socialist, bu
    could not be openly right-wing without endangering his employment.
    No, I was describing Mussolini himself.

    Ah, Mussolini was not the "father" of fascism, nor was he socialist. The Italian regime under "Il Duce" was extremely right-wing.

    Mussolini was a former socialist. After gaining power in Italy
    through legal means he proclaimed himself "Il Duce" - in honor of
    himself. After all, he earned it. His version of fascism was unique,
    and even FDR complimented him on it. But that was before things went
    sideways, with Mussolini having visions of grandeur ...

    Happy Hallowe'en,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Tue Nov 1 08:43:12 2022
    Mike Powell -> JEFF THIELE explained :
    Ah, Mussolini was not the "father" of fascism, nor was he socialist. The
    Italian regime under "Il Duce" was extremely right-wing.

    The person I described was indeed Mussolini. He was a member of the Socialist party and rose to become the editor of Avanti! He lost that job when he advocated for the party abandoning its neutral stance in WWI, as he
    believed the war was the way to trigger the socialist revolution. He started publishing his own paper to get his message across and got kicked out
    of the party.

    Benito Mussolini gained power in Italy (through legal means) on
    October 28, 1922 as a full-blown, far-right-wing fascist, giving
    himself the title of Il Duce. Italians celebrated the 100-year-
    anniversary of this event the other day, including his great-grand
    -daughter, Oraola.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Nov 1 08:43:29 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Ah, Mussolini was not the "father" of fascism, nor was he
    socialist. The
    Italian regime under "Il Duce" was extremely right-wing.
    The person I described was indeed Mussolini. He was a member of the
    Socialist party and rose to become the editor of Avanti! He lost
    that
    job when he advocated for the party abandoning its neutral stance in
    WWI, as he believed the war was the way to trigger the socialist
    revolution. He started publishing his own paper to get his message
    across and got kicked out of the party.

    And by WWII, he was a full-blown, far-right-wing fascist.

    Mussolini was a full-blown, far-right-wing fascist decades before WWII.

    For Life,
    Lee

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