• Re: Cancel Culture stupid

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROMAN PETROVICH on Fri Oct 28 18:54:00 2022
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles. And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends when other people's money ends?

    When state communism leads to authoritarianism, as it always will, people
    who think communism is a good thing will tell you that "it wasn't really communism" or "they didn't do it right and we can do it better."

    The problem is that most people don't want everything to belong to the collective or the state because they realize they will never get as much
    out of it as they are putting in it. The ones who think it is good are the ones who won't be putting anything into it, which a true communist system will not put up with.

    1: Kibbutz (Israel)
    2: Monasteries (many religions)
    3: Amish people (PA, USA)

    All three of his examples involve voluntary participation. The first two, you agree to the rules before joining, and the third one you can leave if you
    don't like it. None of them are state communism.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Oct 28 19:02:00 2022
    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social security was invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.

    What aspects of communism in the US are you referring to, then, if the criteria is limited to things "invented by the communists?"

    He mentioned cultural communists. Social security is a government
    institution, not a cultural one. I am guessing that is the difference?

    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles. And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends when other people's money ends?

    If you knew the true definition of communism, then you would surely realize that "Open[ing] a company operating on communist principles" makes no sense whatsoever. As it is, though, you are putting your ignorance on full display.

    It is not impossible. Starting a company where all your workers live on a collective and use the profits from whatever goods or services are sold for upkeep of the collective would fit that definition, wouldn't it? Or one
    where you sell nothing and all goods/services are produced for the members only?

    Either one sounds like what communes do.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 28 21:28:34 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles. A make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends whe other people's money ends?
    When state communism leads to authoritarianism, as it always will, people who think communism is a good thing will tell you that "it wasn't really communism" or "they didn't do it right and we can do it better."

    State communism need not always lead to authoritarianism, just as democratic capitalism need not always lead to authoritarianism, as has been the case in numerous instances.

    The problem is that most people don't want everything to belong to the collective or the state because they realize they will never get as much out of it as they are putting in it.

    They'll never get as much out of it as they're putting into it under capitalism, either. (And here we've switched from political systems to
    economic systems, just so you're aware). If workers got paid the true value
    of their labor, there would be no profits for the shareholders. Profit
    doesn't just appear from thin air.

    The ones who think it is good are
    the ones who won't be putting anything into it, which a true communist system will not put up with.

    Or the people who have realized that capitalism doesn't pay them their tryue worth.

    1: Kibbutz (Israel)
    2: Monasteries (many religions)
    3: Amish people (PA, USA)
    All three of his examples involve voluntary participation. The first
    two, you agree to the rules before joining, and the third one you can leave if you don't like it. None of them are state communism.

    People can enter into communism voluntarily.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 28 21:30:50 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social securit invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.
    What aspects of communism in the US are you referring to, then, if the criteria is limited to things "invented by the communists?"
    He mentioned cultural communists. Social security is a government institution, not a cultural one. I am guessing that is the difference?

    What are "cultural communists?" The fact that SS is a government institution should put it even closer to communism than distance it.

    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principl And make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism when other people's money ends?
    If you knew the true definition of communism, then you would surely real that "Open[ing] a company operating on communist principles" makes no se whatsoever. As it is, though, you are putting your ignorance on full dis
    It is not impossible. Starting a company where all your workers live on
    a collective and use the profits from whatever goods or services are
    sold for upkeep of the collective would fit that definition, wouldn't
    it? Or one where you sell nothing and all goods/services are produced
    for the members only?

    Communism is both an economic and political system. There can't be one
    without the other.

    Either one sounds like what communes do.

    Communes aren't necessarily Communist.

    Jeff.

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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Sat Oct 29 10:33:10 2022
    What is SS? Part of the National Socialist Party of Germany. Essentially the same communism, only for one nation. Nazis, the same communists as cultural Marxists. The disease of communism is pseudo-intellectual graphomania, as a form of psychosis.

    After the next massacre, the Marxists always answer - "it was done a 'wrong orthodox communists' " Nothing has changed in almost 200 years.
    <Jeff Thiele> news:184.cb5fe214.3148204d@bbs.erb.pw...

    What are "cultural communists?" The fact that SS is a government
    institution
    should put it even closer to communism than distance it.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Oct 29 10:05:00 2022
    What is the problem? Open a company operating on communist principles. make your workers happy. Does not work? Maybe because communism ends wh
    other people's money ends?
    When state communism leads to authoritarianism, as it always will, people
    who think communism is a good thing will tell you that "it wasn't really communism" or "they didn't do it right and we can do it better."

    State communism need not always lead to authoritarianism, just as democratic capitalism need not always lead to authoritarianism, as has been the case in numerous instances.

    But yet it always has as most humans don't like the idea of giving up all
    of their freedom or beliefs. So those people eventually have to be dealt
    with in order for state communism to be a "success."

    The problem is that most people don't want everything to belong to the collective or the state because they realize they will never get as much out of it as they are putting in it.

    They'll never get as much out of it as they're putting into it under capitalism, either. (And here we've switched from political systems to economic systems, just so you're aware). If workers got paid the true value of their labor, there would be no profits for the shareholders. Profit doesn't just appear from thin air.

    Most of us are getting more out of it then we would a collective system.
    Not all that you get out of something is monetary (see above).

    The ones who think it is good are
    the ones who won't be putting anything into it, which a true communist system will not put up with.

    Or the people who have realized that capitalism doesn't pay them their tryue worth.

    Nothing ever will, especially if you are one that values your (lack of)
    input over what it is really worth.

    1: Kibbutz (Israel)
    2: Monasteries (many religions)
    3: Amish people (PA, USA)
    All three of his examples involve voluntary participation. The first two, you agree to the rules before joining, and the third one you can leave if you don't like it. None of them are state communism.

    People can enter into communism voluntarily.

    That is what I said? If they can enter it voluntarily on those levels, why
    try to force it on everyone, i.e. why would it ever be necessary at a
    national level?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Oct 29 10:29:00 2022
    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social securi
    invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.
    What aspects of communism in the US are you referring to, then, if the criteria is limited to things "invented by the communists?"
    He mentioned cultural communists. Social security is a government institution, not a cultural one. I am guessing that is the difference?

    What are "cultural communists?" The fact that SS is a government institution should put it even closer to communism than distance it.

    He will have to answer that one, but I suspect it involves the infiltration
    of cultural and societal institutions in order to influence what is taught, what behaviors become acceptable, etc. That is what I took from his
    original posts.

    Krushev's "We will bury you" comment has been taken by some not to mean by military aggression or financial means, but by infiltrating our education system.

    If you knew the true definition of communism, then you would surely rea
    that "Open[ing] a company operating on communist principles" makes no s
    whatsoever. As it is, though, you are putting your ignorance on full di
    It is not impossible. Starting a company where all your workers live on a collective and use the profits from whatever goods or services are sold for upkeep of the collective would fit that definition, wouldn't it? Or one where you sell nothing and all goods/services are produced for the members only?

    Communism is both an economic and political system. There can't be one without the other.

    Companies have internal politics. If people are willing to join the
    company and be part of the collective atmosphere, allowing the company
    leader (s) to provide for and make most of their decisions for them...

    Not saying it is likely, but it is not impossible.

    There have been companies that have been close to theocracies, too.

    Either one sounds like what communes do.

    Communes aren't necessarily Communist.

    But they can be, and that does sound like what a communist commune would do.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROMAN PETROVICH on Sat Oct 29 10:24:00 2022
    What is SS? Part of the National Socialist Party of Germany. Essentially the

    He was answering a message of mine where I responded to a message between
    you and him regarding Social Security in the US. That is "SS" in this
    context.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Sat Oct 29 10:38:22 2022
    On 29 Oct 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    What is SS? Part of the National Socialist Party of Germany. Essentially the same communism, only for one nation. Nazis, the same communists as cultural Marxists. The disease of communism is pseudo-intellectual graphomania, as a form of psychosis.

    SS, in the context of the conversation we were having, is Social Security.

    Furthermore, the Nazis, despite their name, were a right-wing
    fascist organization.

    After the next massacre, the Marxists always answer - "it was done a 'wrong orthodox communists' " Nothing has changed in almost 200 years.

    Massacres happen under many forms of government and economic systems. The US, in its short history, has been responsible for some.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Oct 29 10:48:33 2022
    On 29 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    When state communism leads to authoritarianism, as it always will, people
    who think communism is a good thing will tell you that "it wasn't r communism" or "they didn't do it right and we can do it better."
    State communism need not always lead to authoritarianism, just as democr capitalism need not always lead to authoritarianism, as has been the cas numerous instances.
    But yet it always has as most humans don't like the idea of giving up all of their freedom or beliefs. So those people eventually have to be dealt with in order for state communism to be a "success."

    Communism doesn't require the "giving up" of all of one's freedoms or
    beliefs. That is a function of an authoritarian state, not a communist one.

    The problem is that most people don't want everything to belong to collective or the state because they realize they will never get as out of it as they are putting in it.
    They'll never get as much out of it as they're putting into it under capitalism, either. (And here we've switched from political systems to economic systems, just so you're aware). If workers got paid the true va of their labor, there would be no profits for the shareholders. Profit doesn't just appear from thin air.
    Most of us are getting more out of it then we would a collective system. Not all that you get out of something is monetary (see above).

    People can enjoy their jobs under communism. There's no requirement that they be unhappy.

    The ones who think it is good are
    the ones who won't be putting anything into it, which a true commun system will not put up with.
    Or the people who have realized that capitalism doesn't pay them their t worth.
    Nothing ever will, especially if you are one that values your (lack of) input over what it is really worth.

    It's mathematically impossible to be paid the full value of one's labor under capitalism.

    People can enter into communism voluntarily.
    That is what I said? If they can enter it voluntarily on those levels, why try to force it on everyone, i.e. why would it ever be necessary at a national level?

    There are US citizens who don't agree with our government. But we have to
    have one.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Oct 29 10:52:00 2022
    On 29 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Companies have internal politics. If people are willing to join the company and be part of the collective atmosphere, allowing the company leader (s) to provide for and make most of their decisions for them...
    Not saying it is likely, but it is not impossible.

    Wait, what? Company leaders making most of the decisions for the workers?
    Isn't that pretty much how companies work?

    There is no requirement that a communist government not be democratic, either.

    There have been companies that have been close to theocracies, too.

    Sure. Churches are a booming business.

    Communes aren't necessarily Communist.
    But they can be, and that does sound like what a communist commune would do.

    They can be, but aren't necessarily.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Sun Oct 30 04:14:25 2022
    Hello Roman,

    What is SS? Part of the National Socialist Party of Germany. Essentially the
    same communism, only for one nation. Nazis, the same communists as cultural
    Marxists. The disease of communism is pseudo-intellectual graphomania, as a
    form of psychosis.

    Adolf Hitler was a Nazi. Made a deal with Josef Stalin, a Communist.
    The two of them decided to split Poland between them. And then Hitler,
    being the true Nazi he always was, decided to invade the Soviet Union.

    After the next massacre, the Marxists always answer - "it was done a 'wrong
    orthodox communists' " Nothing has changed in almost 200 years.

    Stalingrad has always been freezing cold in the wintertime.
    Both Napoleon and Hitler found out about that the hard way.

    [..]

    What are "cultural communists?" The fact that SS is a government
    institution should put it even closer to communism than distance it.

    "Springtime for Hitler, and you and me ..."
    ~ The Director (Mel Brooks)

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Oct 30 18:45:58 2022
    I can watch a 6 hour documentary on Communism, but it only takes 5
    seconds for a real human (who has experienced it) to tell me the real deal.

    WOW! You are a true treasure for someone who wants to brainwash you.

    So you are so good at judging one single person, that you dismiss the basic facts, over such a person's opinion? And where has this person "experienced" it? In what monastery did he live? Or maybe he's Amish?

    It takes only five seconds to Google the *definition* of communism. For starters.


    Felten's rule #14:

    A solid foundation is the basis
    of all true knowledge.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Oct 30 18:50:07 2022
    Imagine Democrats with unlimited power under a new socialist America. They will do evil stuff! Forced vaccinations, forced labor, ethnic cleansing, it's all gonna be on our menu real soon unless people like you learn how to
    forgive that Republican scout master who made you this way.

    And your source of this information? Another real human that has experienced it and told you the real deal in five seconds?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Sun Oct 30 22:28:53 2022
    I can watch a 6 hour documentary on Communism, but it only takes 5 seconds for a real human (who has experienced it) to tell me the real deal.

    WOW! You are a true treasure for someone who wants to brainwash you.

    Humans speak more clearly than leftist/globalist propaganda.

    So you are so good at judging one single person, that you dismiss the basic facts, over such a person's opinion? And where has this person "experienced" it? In what monastery did he live? Or maybe he's Amish?

    Where did you experience it?

    It takes only five seconds to Google the *definition* of communism.
    For starters.

    Why should I trust Google? Because they told me it was gonna rain today and it rained?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Sun Oct 30 22:41:21 2022
    Imagine Democrats with unlimited power under a new socialist America. will do evil stuff! Forced vaccinations, forced labor, ethnic cleansi it's all gonna be on our menu real soon unless people like you learn to
    forgive that Republican scout master who made you this way.

    And your source of this information? Another real human that has experienced it and told you the real deal in five seconds?

    Time magazine is my source for this one actually..

    https://tinyurl.com/23ak5v2p

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Oct 30 23:55:11 2022
    On 30 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    And your source of this information? Another real human that has experienced it and told you the real deal in five seconds?
    Time magazine is my source for this one actually..

    Aka, "the media?" Are you actually being serious?

    Jeff.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 31 08:05:35 2022
    Where did you experience it?

    I've told y'all several times, but you stubbornly refuse to take in any new form of information, if it does not conform to your twisted narrative. I'm living it. For 74 years, and counting.

    It takes only five seconds to Google the *definition* of
    communism. For starters.

    Why should I trust Google?

    ROTFL! I was waiting for it. Google is yet another leftist, fake news conspiracy, yes? Tin foil hat on.

    Because they told me it was gonna rain today and it rained?

    Great proof!


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 31 08:20:54 2022
    Time magazine is my source for this one actually..

    https://tinyurl.com/23ak5v2p

    You must have confused the links here, this was about Boy Scouts' Sex Abuse Problem. Is that what interests you? Figures...

    It was from 2019, when The Orange Imbecile was POTUS. I saw nothing about forced vaccination or anything else you talked about. Your associations are seriously flawed.

    So, a tabloid like Time is your trustworthy source of facts? Google, in combination with your own intelligence, is not? Guess what part, of that equation, explains why you don't trust Google.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Oct 31 05:42:33 2022
    And your source of this information? Another real human that experienced it and told you the real deal in five seconds?
    Time magazine is my source for this one actually..

    Aka, "the media?" Are you actually being serious?

    Yea, leftists don't trust anything else. A link to some crappy website that nobody ever heard of is where leftists get the majority of their "facts" from.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 31 07:57:28 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Roman Petrovich <=-

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and
    a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    I think that's a bad analogy. No female would reproduce with them.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 31 08:33:35 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    And your source of this information? Another real human experienced it and told you the real deal in five seconds?
    Time magazine is my source for this one actually..
    Aka, "the media?" Are you actually being serious?
    Yea, leftists don't trust anything else. A link to some crappy website that nobody ever heard of is where leftists get the majority of their "facts" from.

    Well, it's better than psychics or our @$$.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Mon Oct 31 08:57:59 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, an a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing th "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.
    I think that's a bad analogy. No female would reproduce with them.

    Dude, project much? There's an entire movement comprised of mysogynistic conservatives that can't get laid.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Mon Oct 31 14:36:38 2022
    Where did you experience it?

    I've told y'all several times, but you stubbornly refuse to take in

    Communists have controlled Sweden for 74 years? I would have never guessed.
    Why aren't you floating on a banana leaf en route to the USA?

    ROTFL! I was waiting for it. Google is yet another leftist, fake news conspiracy, yes? Tin foil hat on.

    Of course Google is in favor of Democrats/leftists/globalists. They only allow free speech in their SERPs and apps for the powerful/wealthy/elite, that
    way the task of subjugating free speech is delegated to a select group of globalists (working smarter, not harder) so that way Google can do more "important" deeds like lie about covid vaccines.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 31 19:12:58 2022
    Of course Google is in favor of Democrats/leftists/globalists. They only allow
    free speech in their SERPs and apps for the powerful/wealthy/elite, that way the task of subjugating free speech is delegated to a select group of globalists (working smarter, not harder) so that way Google can do more "important" deeds like lie about covid vaccines.

    I rest my case (Re: Subject line). You poor guy. :-(

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Mon Oct 31 15:25:04 2022
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, an a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing th "drone bees" do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    I think that's a bad analogy. No female would reproduce with them.

    Jeff has a better chance since he's already experienced all the terror and repression of Communism in Texas. Plus he's an experienced bee keeper.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Oct 31 15:35:48 2022
    Yea, leftists don't trust anything else. A link to some crappy websit that nobody ever heard of is where leftists get the majority of their "facts" from.

    Well, it's better than psychics or our @$$.

    Most people pay for their access to the media, only so it can lie to them. I got all my psychic advice about covid and the vaccine for free, shortly before the pandemic started.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Oct 31 16:22:00 2022
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence for that.

    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real beehive.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Oct 31 16:35:00 2022
    Dude, project much? There's an entire movement comprised of mysogynistic conservatives that can't get laid.

    I am not certain they all are politically conservative, but they are
    definately mysogynists. From what I can tell, most of them are young and
    not too bright.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Oct 31 16:29:00 2022
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a few other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Oct 31 17:13:47 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Yea, leftists don't trust anything else. A link to some crappy w that nobody ever heard of is where leftists get the majority of "facts" from.
    Well, it's better than psychics or our @$$.
    Most people pay for their access to the media, only so it can lie to
    them. I got all my psychic advice about covid and the vaccine for free, shortly before the pandemic started.

    The media serves a vital role in this country, and runs the gamut from ultra-conservative to ultra-liberal. One must be careful what one believes
    from the media, sure, but for the most part the neutral or only slightly
    biased outlets are not out to deceive.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 17:18:49 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence for th
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 17:21:09 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Dude, project much? There's an entire movement comprised of mysogynistic conservatives that can't get laid.
    I am not certain they all are politically conservative, but they are definately mysogynists. From what I can tell, most of them are young and not too bright.

    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure of society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, been quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical
    structure, and therefore are conservative.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Oct 31 17:31:55 2022
    On 31 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.
    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yep, with the shortsighted members of society just worried about how to
    manage the next quarter or win the next election, versus members of society wishing to make long-term investments in our country.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Nov 1 08:43:40 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of
    subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence
    for th
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real
    beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Drone bees (all male) serve only one purpose - to impregnate
    the maiden queen in nuptial flight. Once their mission has been
    accomplished, worker bees (all female) keep drone bees around
    for the next queen.

    Drone bees have no stinger, and can not harm the queen.
    Worker bees have a stinger, and die once they use that stinger.
    So it stands to reason that only drone bees care for the health
    of the hive, as no hive could survive without them.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Nov 1 11:28:43 2022
    The media serves a vital role in this country, and runs the gamut from ultra-conservative to ultra-liberal. One must be careful what one believes from the media, sure, but for the most part the neutral or only slightly biased outlets are not out to deceive.

    "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never
    was and never will be.

    The People cannot be safe without information. When the press is
    free, and every man is able to read, all is safe."


    Those words by Thomas Jefferson, from more than two centuries ago, IMHO embody the unfortunate state of affairs that have beset your nation.


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    ..

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 00:47:10 2022
    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff, and a other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that "drone bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yes, that would have been better. Leftists are grasshoppers and conservatives are the ants.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Nov 1 16:18:00 2022
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any evidence for t
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Yes, in the case of this echo.

    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only bred by
    the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once one is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates is also killed once that is over.

    I doubt they have much time for caring about the health of the hive.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Nov 1 16:06:00 2022
    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure of society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, been quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical structure, and therefore are conservative.

    So, you are saying one cannot find any non-conservative, or even liberal, mysogynists? That is most certainly not correct.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 16:27:20 2022
    On 01 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.
    Yes, in the case of this echo.

    Nope. Aaron stated that as a fact about bees and then, in the case of this echo, claimed that they were also subversive.

    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only bred by the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any
    impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once one
    is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates
    is also killed once that is over.

    Their act of mating is for the good of the hive. If they were apathetic, they would not mate. If they were acting in their own interest, they would not
    mate and be subsequently killed.

    I doubt they have much time for caring about the health of the hive.

    Caring for the health of the hive is hard-wired into their DNA. All of their insticts serve the health of the hive. Survival of the species and all that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 16:31:18 2022
    On 01 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure o society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical structure, and therefore are conservative.
    So, you are saying one cannot find any non-conservative, or even liberal, mysogynists? That is most certainly not correct.

    Mysogynists certainly trend conservative. The "Incel" movement was actually started by a woman, but once it was comandeered by its current members it definitely trends conservative.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Nov 1 16:55:44 2022
    On 01 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Conservativism seeks to "conserve" the existing hierarchical structure o society, or that of some time in the past. Our society has, in the past, quite mysogynistic. These people embracy mysogyny as a hierarchical structure, and therefore are conservative.
    So, you are saying one cannot find any non-conservative, or even liberal, mysogynists? That is most certainly not correct.

    Most white members of the "Incel" movement are white supremacists, and
    strongly oppose inter-racial marriages involving white women due to those
    women now being unavailable to white men. A significant portion of the
    movement is comprised of people of color and the two groups are united by
    their hatred of women.

    "Incels" don't only have problems, though. They have solutions for those problems, too! Most of their solutions involve authoritarianism, curtailing
    the rights of women, and subjugating women to men. That sounds very similar
    to the teachings of right-Wing Evangelical Christianity to me, and right-wing Evangelical Christianity is, well, right-wing.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 01:54:54 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    They are like bees; the media is the "queen bee," and Bjorn, Jeff,
    and a
    other insane people are the "drone bees," and the only thing that
    "drone
    bees"
    do for their colony is reproduce offspring.

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yes, that would have been better. Leftists are grasshoppers and conservatives
    are the ants.

    Both are edible. Especially when coated in chocolate. And lets not
    forget crickets. Cue the crickets.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Wed Nov 2 03:40:30 2022
    You're the one claiming that bee hives contain an entire class of
    subversives. But, as usual, I don't suspect you have any
    evidence for t
    Actually he said in this case meaning in this echo, not a real
    beehive.

    He portrayed drone bees as apathetic to the health of the hive.

    Yes, in the case of this echo.

    Aaron made a general statement, non-specific to this echo or any other
    group.

    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only
    bred by the workers for mating with the queen.

    You are one stupid fuck. Worker bees are female, and do not breed.

    I have never had any impression that they contribute anything else to the
    hive and, once one is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates is also killed once that is over.

    Bull fucking shit, you stupid moron. A drone's only role is to mate
    with a maiden queen in nuptial flight. Worker bees do everything else,
    such as gathering nectar or pollen.

    Drones have no stingers, so they are no threat to a maiden queen.
    But worker bees, all of them female, do have stingers. Used only as
    a last-resort measure to save their beloved drones, who are kept
    around for the time when the new queen is ready to be serviced ...

    I doubt they have much time for caring about the health of the hive.

    Worker bees serve the drones who serve the queen ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 2 02:27:11 2022
    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only bred by the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any
    impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once one
    is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mates
    is also killed once that is over.

    Hold on now Mike, you can't tell a professional beekeeper (Jeff) stuff about bees! He already knows better than you do! ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 2 02:31:05 2022
    Most white members of the "Incel" movement are white supremacists, and strongly oppose inter-racial marriages involving white women due to those women now being unavailable to white men. A significant portion of the movement is comprised of people of color and the two groups are united by their hatred of women.

    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white
    supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That would totally explain it. I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 08:16:10 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    A better analogy would be the fable of the Ant and the Grasshopper.

    Yes, that would have been better. Leftists are grasshoppers and conservatives are the ants.

    How true. But we need to be more like the ants and turn our backs on the grass-smokers... er.. grasshoppers and let them lie in their own beds.

    But this brings back a memory I had of when I was younger. By then, I had already been exposed to Aesop's Fables, so I heard the story. But one of the kid shows that I watched showed a slightly different story.

    At the end, the ants, instead of turning their backs on the grasshopper, instead helped him and the grasshopper in turn played songs for them and fed them good memories of warm times (i.e. he contributed little and took much).

    The Elitists have been working for a long time to destroy our culture.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 07:24:36 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Unlike other bees, drones may be somewhat apathetic. They are only b by the workers for mating with the queen. I have never had any impression that they contribute anything else to the hive and, once o is chosen to mate, the others are killed and, IIRC, the one that mate is also killed once that is over.
    Hold on now Mike, you can't tell a professional beekeeper (Jeff) stuff about bees! He already knows better than you do! ;)

    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to look
    for it. You clearly have not.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 07:32:52 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Most white members of the "Incel" movement are white supremacists, an strongly oppose inter-racial marriages involving white women due to t women now being unavailable to white men. A significant portion of th movement is comprised of people of color and the two groups are unite their hatred of women.
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy.

    I am capable of empathizing with people who are different from me. You, on
    the other hand, spend a lot of time trying to minimize the threat posed
    by white supremacy, or pretend that it doesn't exist.

    Were you attacked by a white supremacist?

    No.

    That would totally
    explain it.

    It might, but you'd be wrong yet again.

    I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.

    But presumably not until then? Trying to justify your ignorance by accusing
    me of knowing too much because I actually take the time to learn a bit about things before spewing BS about them is not going to work.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wed Nov 2 13:33:26 2022
    How true. But we need to be more like the ants and turn our backs on the grass-smokers... er.. grasshoppers and let them lie in their own beds.

    Democrats might allow peasant people to smoke grass, but with all these unprecedented money grabs, and unprecedented border wall removals, it seems like elected crats are doing harder, more expensive drugs.

    At the end, the ants, instead of turning their backs on the grasshopper, instead helped him and the grasshopper in turn played songs for them and fed them good memories of warm times (i.e. he contributed little and
    took much).

    The old cartoon is outdated; a black grasshopper (minority) being helped by
    the majority (ants) is not compatible with today's propaganda. A more appropriate version would have the grasshopper getting anti-borax treatment
    for pesticide while the ants die of respiratory failure.

    The Elitists have been working for a long time to destroy our culture.

    That's smart on their part because equality isn't their ticket to power.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 2 13:48:52 2022
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to
    look for it. You clearly have not.

    Do they ever sting through your bee suit?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Nov 2 13:55:20 2022
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy.

    I am capable of empathizing with people who are different from me. You,
    on the other hand, spend a lot of time trying to minimize the threat
    posed by white supremacy, or pretend that it doesn't exist.

    If you admit that "white supremacy exists," which you just have admitted, then you are saying that whites are supreme. What's so supreme about them?

    But presumably not until then? Trying to justify your ignorance by accusing me of knowing too much because I actually take the time to
    learn a bit about things before spewing BS about them is not going to work.

    I'm glad that you learn a bit about things before spewing your BS about them, but you should consider the credibility of eye witnesses to be of higher value than that of propagandists on TV.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 09:32:43 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to look for it. You clearly have not.
    Do they ever sting through your bee suit?

    Perhaps a better fable for you would be "Sour Grapes."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Nov 2 09:37:13 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially w supremacy.
    I am capable of empathizing with people who are different from me. Yo on the other hand, spend a lot of time trying to minimize the threat posed by white supremacy, or pretend that it doesn't exist.
    If you admit that "white supremacy exists," which you just have
    admitted, then you are saying that whites are supreme. What's so supreme about them?

    Nice try at weaseling your way out, but we both know that by "white
    supremacy" we are talking about white supremacist beliefs and organizations.

    But presumably not until then? Trying to justify your ignorance by accusing me of knowing too much because I actually take the time to learn a bit about things before spewing BS about them is not going to work.
    I'm glad that you learn a bit about things before spewing your BS about them, but you should consider the credibility of eye witnesses to be of higher value than that of propagandists on TV.

    I do not get my information from propagandists on TV. And you've already admitted that your "eye witness" is biased, plus anecdotal evidence is generally considered to be of low value.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Nov 2 17:49:00 2022
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That would totally explai
    it. I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.

    I am waiting for him to tell us about how the mysogynist Harvey Weinstein
    was really a conservative. Epstein, too.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it were not
    for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said until Jeff repeated it here.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Nov 2 17:53:00 2022
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to look for it. You clearly have not.

    I still say you are wrong about the drones. Only one of them contributes anything to the hive. The others all just free load off of the workers
    until they kill them.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 2 17:11:16 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    You spend a lot of time reading about racial stuff, especially white supremacy. Were you attacked by a white supremacist? That would totally explai
    it. I'd research it a lot tooi if it happened to me.
    I am waiting for him to tell us about how the mysogynist Harvey Weinstein was really a conservative. Epstein, too.

    Weinstein and Epstein were definitely not part of the "incel" movement. They may have taken advantage of women, but they did not exhibit the sheer hatred for women that the "incels" do.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it were
    not for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said until Jeff repeated it here.

    Try reading the news sometime. It's a great way to keep up on current events.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Nov 2 18:25:19 2022
    On 02 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The social nature of bees is well-documented, for those who choose to lo for it. You clearly have not.
    I still say you are wrong about the drones. Only one of them contributes anything to the hive. The others all just free load off of the workers until they kill them.

    Oh, and which one is that? Are you assuming that only one of the drones mates with the queen bee?

    Also, research has shown that when when bees -- both workers and drones -- detect that the hive is getting too cold or too warm, they work together to regulate the temperature of the hive by shivering or moving air with their wings, respectively.

    The workers don't kill the drones, nor does the queen. They die as a result
    of mating, or of natural causes.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Nov 3 18:06:00 2022
    I am waiting for him to tell us about how the mysogynist Harvey Weinstein
    was really a conservative. Epstein, too.

    Weinstein and Epstein were definitely not part of the "incel" movement. They may have taken advantage of women, but they did not exhibit the sheer hatred for women that the "incels" do.

    We were talking about mysogynists. Someone else brought up incels and conservatives. They also brought up that not all of them are white, which
    I think goes against an earlier point about them being white supremacists.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it were not for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said until Jeff repeated it here.

    Try reading the news sometime. It's a great way to keep up on current events.

    If I was reading the news, I am pretty sure I would be skipping over
    stories about what Kanye said and reading ones about our current inflation problem and other things that actually affect me and most other Americans.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Nov 3 18:48:52 2022
    On 03 Nov 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Weinstein and Epstein were definitely not part of the "incel" movement. may have taken advantage of women, but they did not exhibit the sheer ha for women that the "incels" do.
    We were talking about mysogynists. Someone else brought up incels and conservatives. They also brought up that not all of them are white,
    which I think goes against an earlier point about them being white supremacists.

    They are not all white, but white supremacists make up a large portion of
    them.

    He has given a lot of free publicity lately to Kanye, too. If it w not for Jeff, I would know nothing about what all Kanye had said un Jeff repeated it here.
    Try reading the news sometime. It's a great way to keep up on current ev
    If I was reading the news, I am pretty sure I would be skipping over stories about what Kanye said and reading ones about our current
    inflation problem and other things that actually affect me and most
    other Americans.

    That depends on how much you want to read. I can't be held responsible for
    what you choose not to read.

    Also, while inflation is at a 40-year high, corporate profits are at a
    50-year high. Imagine that.

    Jeff.

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