• Cancel Culture

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to All on Thu Oct 27 11:14:55 2022
    At an October 3 fashion show in Paris, Kanye (or "Ye") West had models
    wearing "White Lives Matter," a known white supremacist slogan, walk down the runway.

    When Sean "Diddy" Combs said that he "did not rock" with the WLM movement,
    West responded, "Ima use you as an example to show the Jewish people that
    told you to call me that no one can threaten or influence." This statement
    got West kicked off of Instagram.

    West then posted on Twitter (where he hadn't posted for two years): "I'm a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE" (original emphasis). This got him kicked off of Twitter.

    West then appeared on a hip-hop community podcast where, in addition to
    falsely claiming that George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose rather than police brutality) he said, "I can say anti-Semetic things, and Adidas can't drop me. Now what? Now what?" Adidas dropped West on October 25, and a number of other companies including the GAP and Foot Locker followed suit.

    The talent agency CAA has dropped West as a client, the Hollywood production company MRC has shelved a recently-completed ducumntary about West, Vogue magazine has acted to distance itself from West, and lawyer Camille Vasquez
    has dropped him as a client. Balenciaga, the fashion brand that West represented at the Paris fashion show, announced that they will no longer be working with West. Fox News has also suspended support for West.

    After being kicked off of Instagram and Twitter, West made moves to buy
    Parler.

    West has claimed that he lost $2 billion in one day as a result of the controlversy. He no longer holds billionaire status, according to Forbes.

    Was West a victim of Cancel Culture, or were all of those companies breaking ties with him a natural consequence of his anti-Semitic speech?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Oct 27 18:41:00 2022
    At an October 3 fashion show in Paris, Kanye (or "Ye") West had models wearing "White Lives Matter," a known white supremacist slogan, walk down the runway.

    I agree that some think it is, just as they think saying "all lives matter"
    is.

    When Sean "Diddy" Combs said that he "did not rock" with the WLM movement, West responded, "Ima use you as an example to show the Jewish people that told you to call me that no one can threaten or influence." This statement got West kicked off of Instagram.

    I have read that quote over and over. Either you left something out, or it
    was nonsense to begin with. :)

    West then posted on Twitter (where he hadn't posted for two years): "I'm a bit
    sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE" (original emphasis). This got him kicked off of Twitter.

    Is Puff Daddy Jewish? Otherwise, I am missing the connection that West is making.

    After being kicked off of Instagram and Twitter, West made moves to buy Parler.

    I think someone else may have recently bought, or tried to buy, them also.
    It could have been "Ye" as I didn't realize that was West until this story
    hit the news.

    Was West a victim of Cancel Culture, or were all of those companies breaking ties with him a natural consequence of his anti-Semitic speech?

    It sounds like he made threats ("going death con 3"), which can be
    construed as beyond freedom of speech, so I believe it was more than either of those but probably mostly the latter.


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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Fri Oct 28 10:30:28 2022
    Guys, don't play the games of cultural Marxists. If you want to know everything about them, read Ayn Rand's The Anti-Industrial Revolution and Brzezinski's America's Role in the Technotronic Age. You will be surprised
    how mean and stupid their belief system is. Their strength in help WEF
    access media. They themselves are empty space. In short, the followers of Marcuso took over the cultural institutions instead of the state
    institutions, as the Bolsheviks did. Every time you see a communist, let him know that his place is in North Korea or Iran, not in the free liberal West.

    <Mike Powell>
    At an October 3 fashion show in Paris, Kanye (or "Ye") West had models
    wearing "White Lives Matter," a known white supremacist slogan, walk down >> the
    runway.

    I agree that some think it is, just as they think saying "all lives
    matter"
    is.

    When Sean "Diddy" Combs said that he "did not rock" with the WLM
    movement,
    West responded, "Ima use you as an example to show the Jewish people that
    told you to call me that no one can threaten or influence." This
    statement
    got West kicked off of Instagram.

    I have read that quote over and over. Either you left something out, or
    it
    was nonsense to begin with. :)

    West then posted on Twitter (where he hadn't posted for two years): "I'm
    a bit
    sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE"
    (original emphasis). This got him kicked off of Twitter.

    Is Puff Daddy Jewish? Otherwise, I am missing the connection that West is making.

    After being kicked off of Instagram and Twitter, West made moves to buy
    Parler.

    I think someone else may have recently bought, or tried to buy, them also.
    It could have been "Ye" as I didn't realize that was West until this story hit the news.

    Was West a victim of Cancel Culture, or were all of those companies
    breaking
    ties with him a natural consequence of his anti-Semitic speech?

    It sounds like he made threats ("going death con 3"), which can be
    construed as beyond freedom of speech, so I believe it was more than
    either of
    those but probably mostly the latter.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 28 07:50:43 2022
    On 27 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    At an October 3 fashion show in Paris, Kanye (or "Ye") West had models wearing "White Lives Matter," a known white supremacist slogan, walk dow runway.
    I agree that some think it is, just as they think saying "all lives matter" is.

    Except that "White Lives Matter" has een adopted by actual white supremacist groups.
    https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/white-lives-matter

    When Sean "Diddy" Combs said that he "did not rock" with the WLM movemen West responded, "Ima use you as an example to show the Jewish people tha told you to call me that no one can threaten or influence." This stateme got West kicked off of Instagram.
    I have read that quote over and over. Either you left something out, or it was nonsense to begin with. :)

    I accidentally left out a "me" at the end. Hope that helps.

    The implication by West was that Combs is being controlled by Jews. Combs, to his credit, attempted to respond with reason but West was having none of it.

    West then posted on Twitter (where he hadn't posted for two years): "I'm
    bit
    sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE (original emphasis). This got him kicked off of Twitter.
    Is Puff Daddy Jewish? Otherwise, I am missing the connection that West
    is making.

    I'm not sure that this was even aimed directly at Combs.

    After being kicked off of Instagram and Twitter, West made moves to buy Parler.
    I think someone else may have recently bought, or tried to buy, them
    also. It could have been "Ye" as I didn't realize that was West until
    this story hit the news.

    He's the only one I know of.

    Was West a victim of Cancel Culture, or were all of those companies brea ties with him a natural consequence of his anti-Semitic speech?
    It sounds like he made threats ("going death con 3"), which can be construed as beyond freedom of speech, so I believe it was more than either of those but probably mostly the latter.

    I don't think it was a serious threat, and that he probably meant that he
    would continue to assault Jews verbally.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Roman Petrovich on Fri Oct 28 12:29:01 2022
    help WEF access media. They themselves are empty space. In short, the followers of Marcuso took over the cultural institutions instead of the state institutions, as the Bolsheviks did. Every time you see a
    communist, let him know that his place is in North Korea or Iran, not in the free liberal West.

    That is what's happening in the USA! It's not just the "6 o'clock news" or the "evening news" and it's not just the news channels (CNN,MSNBC,FOX,etc) but
    it's our entire culture that's under leftist attack.

    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Trump (threat to leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist gods any way they can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.

    ..and I like the way you said it! "Let them know that their place is in North Korea or Iran." I WILL tell them that!

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Fri Oct 28 07:55:41 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    Guys, don't play the games of cultural Marxists. If you want to know everything about them, read Ayn Rand's The Anti-Industrial Revolution

    Ayn Rand was an author of fiction with a political agenda. In her later
    years, she had no problem accepting social security payments.

    You will be
    surprised how mean and stupid their belief system is.

    As presented by an author of fiction? Surely you're smarter than that...

    Is this all just an elaborate attempt on your part to avoid addressing
    "cancel culture?" You might consider Michigan GOP gubernatorial candidate
    Tudor Dixen, who suggested banning children from reading books about divorce. This is just the latest in the GOP effort to ban books across the country.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Oct 28 09:59:49 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    ..and I like the way you said it! "Let them know that their place is in North Korea or Iran." I WILL tell them that!

    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.

    North Korea, while nominally communist, is a totalitarian dictatorship.

    Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retaining
    power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presidency.

    Jeff.

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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Fri Oct 28 18:59:06 2022
    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social security was invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.

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    On 28 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    ..and I like the way you said it! "Let them know that their place is
    in
    North Korea or Iran." I WILL tell them that!

    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.

    North Korea, while nominally communist, is a totalitarian dictatorship.

    Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retaining power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presidency.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Fri Oct 28 14:18:41 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social security was invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.

    What aspects of communism in the US are you referring to, then, if the
    criteria is limited to things "invented by the communists?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Oct 28 20:18:26 2022
    Except that "White Lives Matter" has een adopted by actual white supremacist groups. https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/white-lives-matter

    It's not well-known because only leftists would research something like that.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Oct 28 20:27:21 2022
    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.

    Some states have legitimate left-wing, but we don't have that here. Democrats have done NOTHING for the American people despite having more power than they've had in decades. All they do is create viruses, waste money, abort babies, and smuggle humans through the stream of death.

    North Korea, while nominally communist, is a totalitarian dictatorship.

    Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retaining power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presidency.

    Trump tried to be diplomatic with NK, which is something that I eagerly
    waited for Obama to do, but he refused. Obama prefered to let the fat ass terrorize the region, so long as it didn't interfere with his own dark agenda.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Oct 28 18:41:00 2022
    At an October 3 fashion show in Paris, Kanye (or "Ye") West had models wearing "White Lives Matter," a known white supremacist slogan, walk do
    runway.
    I agree that some think it is, just as they think saying "all lives matter" is.

    Except that "White Lives Matter" has een adopted by actual white supremacist groups.
    https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/white-lives-matter

    Well, I lump that in with the Nazi's adopting the swastika, which was a
    symbol used by the Hindu culture long before they got hold of it. They can
    pick up and use any symbol or phrase they want, but it is only a "white supremacist slogan" when a white supremacist is using it. I somehow see
    Kanye as not meeting one of the top requirements for being a "white" supremacist.

    When Sean "Diddy" Combs said that he "did not rock" with the WLM moveme
    West responded, "Ima use you as an example to show the Jewish people th
    told you to call me that no one can threaten or influence." This statem
    got West kicked off of Instagram.
    I have read that quote over and over. Either you left something out, or it was nonsense to begin with. :)

    I accidentally left out a "me" at the end. Hope that helps.

    Yes, if Puffy called him, it does make sense.

    The implication by West was that Combs is being controlled by Jews. Combs, to his credit, attempted to respond with reason but West was having none of it.

    Kanye does not seem like the type that picks up on reason very easily.

    West then posted on Twitter (where he hadn't posted for two years): "I'
    bit
    sleepy tonight but when I wake up I'm going death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPL
    (original emphasis). This got him kicked off of Twitter.
    Is Puff Daddy Jewish? Otherwise, I am missing the connection that West is making.

    I'm not sure that this was even aimed directly at Combs.

    Maybe it wasn't. If he believes that Puffy is being controled by Jews, I
    guess it makes sense.

    Was West a victim of Cancel Culture, or were all of those companies bre
    ties with him a natural consequence of his anti-Semitic speech?
    It sounds like he made threats ("going death con 3"), which can be construed as beyond freedom of speech, so I believe it was more than either of those but probably mostly the latter.

    I don't think it was a serious threat, and that he probably meant that he would continue to assault Jews verbally.

    If you make anti-semetic remarks, or other remarks that are against the
    user agreement, and threaten to keep making them (as you interpret it, and I cannot disagree), then I would expect one would get suspended or banned from social media. If he had apologized, maybe some of the endorcement
    companies would not have bailed but, as he also said straight out that they could not drop him and was also threatening to continue, I cannot say I
    would have expected any other outcome.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Oct 28 18:44:00 2022
    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Trump (threat to leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist gods any way they can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.

    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when he was
    running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detractors.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Oct 28 19:00:00 2022
    ..and I like the way you said it! "Let them know that their place is in North Korea or Iran." I WILL tell them that!

    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.

    Their theocracy, and the way communism has been instituted by
    various states over the years -- i.e. authoritarian -- they have more in
    common that one might think.

    Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retaining power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presidency.

    After election day 2016, there were plenty of non-conservatives who would
    have also gladly embraced either if it meant Obama staying in power.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 28 21:19:37 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Trump (threat leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist gods any way can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.
    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when he was running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detractors.

    Yeah, it seems like someone has a case of selective amnesia.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 28 21:22:58 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    ..and I like the way you said it! "Let them know that their place i North Korea or Iran." I WILL tell them that!
    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.
    Their theocracy, and the way communism has been instituted by
    various states over the years -- i.e. authoritarian -- they have more in common that one might think.

    They also have significant differences. Authoritarianism can be left-wing or right-wing.

    Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retaining power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presidency.
    After election day 2016, there were plenty of non-conservatives who would have also gladly embraced either if it meant Obama staying in power.

    Nice try, but no. There was no attack on the government after the election in 2016. There was no refusal to concede. There was no threat of remaining in power despite having been defeated. And there was no widespread support for
    any of that, either. 2020 was a turning point, a whole new animal.

    And I suppose you've heard about the attack on Pelosi's husband by now.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Oct 28 21:33:45 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Except that "White Lives Matter" has een adopted by actual white supremacist groups. https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/white-lives-matter
    It's not well-known because only leftists would research something like that.

    Granted, there is a bit of ignorance as well. C'est la vie.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Oct 28 21:38:26 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Iran is hardly leftist; it is a right-wing theocracy.
    Some states have legitimate left-wing, but we don't have that here. Democrats have done NOTHING for the American people despite having more power than they've had in decades. All they do is create viruses, waste money, abort babies, and smuggle humans through the stream of death.

    Democrats did not create viruses.
    The last balanced budget was under Bill Clinton.
    Nobody aborts babies, since babies exist post-birth.
    Democrats don't smuggle humans.

    All you have are lies.

    North Korea, while nominally communist, is a totalitarian dictatorshi Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retain power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presidency
    Trump tried to be diplomatic with NK, which is something that I eagerly waited for Obama to do, but he refused. Obama prefered to let the fat ass terrorize the region, so long as it didn't interfere with his own dark agenda.

    That has nothing to do with the fact that many conservatives supported (and continue to support) Trump's illegitimate post-election claim to power.
    Perhaps Trump's ability to "fall in love" with Kim was due to their shared interest in dictatorial power.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 28 21:44:35 2022
    On 28 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Except that "White Lives Matter" has een adopted by actual white suprema groups.
    https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/white-lives-matter
    Well, I lump that in with the Nazi's adopting the swastika, which was a symbol used by the Hindu culture long before they got hold of it. They
    can pick up and use any symbol or phrase they want, but it is only a "white supremacist slogan" when a white supremacist is using it. I somehow see Kanye as not meeting one of the top requirements for being a "white" supremacist.

    You can do that if you'd like. But keep in mind that the swastika is banned
    in Germany, where it became a symbol of hate.

    The implication by West was that Combs is being controlled by Jews. Comb his credit, attempted to respond with reason but West was having none of
    Kanye does not seem like the type that picks up on reason very easily.

    It would seem like that.

    If you make anti-semetic remarks, or other remarks that are against the user agreement, and threaten to keep making them (as you interpret it,
    and I cannot disagree), then I would expect one would get suspended or banned from social media. If he had apologized, maybe some of the endorcement companies would not have bailed but, as he also said
    straight out that they could not drop him and was also threatening to continue, I cannot say I would have expected any other outcome.

    Wouldn't the same be expected for racist remarks as well?

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Oct 29 00:45:00 2022
    On 10-28-22 20:27, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cancel Culture <=-

    Democrats have done NOTHING for the American people despite having more power than they've had in decades. All they do is create viruses, waste money, abort babies, and smuggle humans through the stream of death.

    The Democratic Government has done a lot for the American people during
    Biden's term so far. There have been two major bills that will have
    effect on the average person by creating jobs, the Infrastructure bill
    and the more recent Fight Inflation now bill. The former will put money
    into the pockets of working people as they help to repair the aging infrastructure of the USA. The second will do much, including fighting
    climate change and pulling us away from dependence on fossil foods --
    while also creating many new jobs in the economy. That dependence is one
    factor in the current inflation.

    As to your other charges, they are vacuous. The Democrats have not
    created viruses, rather than waste money they have lowered the deficit,
    they do not abort babies and have not smuggled any humans.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Fri Oct 28 23:56:12 2022
    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Trump (threat leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist gods any way can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.

    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when he was running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detractors.

    I didn't see people getting worked up about those elections. People (left-leaning people) went mad when Trump ran for office, even after he served a nearly perfect 1st term.

    They should have went mad when Obama said he needed a 2nd term to make health care affordable.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Oct 29 11:01:56 2022
    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Trump (t leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist gods an can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.
    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when he w running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detractors.

    Yeah, it seems like someone has a case of selective amnesia.

    Everyone loved Obama. By putting an Obama bumper sticker on your car, you're showing everyone that "I'm ok with having a black president because that's how not racist I am, and nothing matters more than skin color."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sat Oct 29 11:12:29 2022
    and the more recent Fight Inflation now bill. The former will put money into the pockets of working people as they help to repair the aging

    "Putting money into the pockets of working people" sounds far-fetched. When will that start happening?

    infrastructure of the USA. The second will do much, including fighting climate change and pulling us away from dependence on fossil foods -- while also creating many new jobs in the economy. That dependence is one factor in the current inflation.

    My infrastructure hasn't been updated yet. I'm still paying double for fossil fuel to heat my home, still paying double at the pump, and I'm more dependent than ever on foreign oil.

    But I'm confident that you've seen some return on this investment already?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Oct 29 09:59:00 2022
    Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retainin
    power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presidency.
    After election day 2016, there were plenty of non-conservatives who would
    have also gladly embraced either if it meant Obama staying in power.

    Nice try, but no. There was no attack on the government after the election in 2016. There was no refusal to concede. There was no threat of remaining in power despite having been defeated. And there was no widespread support for any of that, either. 2020 was a turning point, a whole new animal.

    The part about "gladly embracing either" was true, though. Even if they
    didn't demonstrate it in the same way. If you didn't pick up on that, you
    must not have been paying attention.

    And I suppose you've heard about the attack on Pelosi's husband by now.

    No I have not, but I have not had a TV on since yesterday morning.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sat Oct 29 10:31:00 2022
    The Democratic Government has done a lot for the American people during Biden's term so far. There have been two major bills that will have
    effect on the average person by creating jobs, the Infrastructure bill
    and the more recent Fight Inflation now bill. The former will put money

    That latter one is a prickly pear. A news report I watched the other day (either on the local or PBS) mentioned that many Democrats who are
    campaigning for re-election this fall are trying not to mention their work
    to pass the "inflation fighting" bills because most voters are also consumers and realize that, at least so far, inflation is not going away.

    They said the only ones who were using it in their campaigns were running
    in heavily blue areas where the election is not heavily contested.

    There are also economist who are willing to get in front of a camera and discuss why those bills will likley not reduce inflation but possibly even cause it to get worse.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Oct 29 10:42:08 2022
    On 29 Oct 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Conservatives would gladly embrace either of these if it meant retainin
    power, as was well-demonstrated during and after the Trump presid
    After election day 2016, there were plenty of non-conservatives who would
    have also gladly embraced either if it meant Obama staying in power
    Nice try, but no. There was no attack on the government after the electi 2016. There was no refusal to concede. There was no threat of remaining power despite having been defeated. And there was no widespread support any of that, either. 2020 was a turning point, a whole new animal.
    The part about "gladly embracing either" was true, though. Even if they didn't demonstrate it in the same way. If you didn't pick up on that,
    you must not have been paying attention.

    No, it wasn't. Of course Democrats were upset that they lost, and that's acceptable. There was no attempt to retain power after losing the election.

    None.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Oct 29 10:53:35 2022
    On 29 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Most Americans didn't care about politics whatsoever until Tru leftism) was elected. Now, they want to appease the leftist go can, even if it means making a fool of themselves.
    Obama's supporters seemed to care a lot about politics back when running for, and serving as, President. So did his loyal detrac
    Yeah, it seems like someone has a case of selective amnesia.
    Everyone loved Obama. By putting an Obama bumper sticker on your car, you're showing everyone that "I'm ok with having a black president
    because that's how not racist I am, and nothing matters more than skin color."

    "Everyone loved Obama" is a demonstrable lie. And it was not about skin color.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Sun Oct 30 04:13:49 2022
    Hello Roman,

    Guys, don't play the games of cultural Marxists. If you want to know everything about them, read Ayn Rand's The Anti-Industrial Revolution and Brzezinski's America's Role in the Technotronic Age. You will be surprised how mean and stupid their belief system is.

    The entire world noticed how mean and stupid Liz Truss' belief system
    was. Which is why she only lasted 44 days in office as PM. I doubt her successor will fare much better, if at all.

    Even a head of lettuce lasted longer than Truss. How much worse could
    anybody do? Maybe the Brits need to replace their PM with french fries
    from McDonalds. Those things last forever ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Oct 30 04:13:55 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Guys, don't play the games of cultural Marxists. If you want to know
    everything about them, read Ayn Rand's The Anti-Industrial Revolution

    Ayn Rand was an author of fiction with a political agenda. In her later years, she had no problem accepting social security payments.

    She earned it. So why shouldn't she have accepted it?

    You will be
    surprised how mean and stupid their belief system is.

    As presented by an author of fiction? Surely you're smarter than that...

    She could write. Although her novel "Atlas" was a short piece of
    fiction, she really got into it with her novel "Foundation" ...

    Is this all just an elaborate attempt on your part to avoid addressing "cancel culture?" You might consider Michigan GOP gubernatorial candidate Tudor Dixen, who suggested banning children from reading books about divorce.
    This is just the latest in the GOP effort to ban books across the country.

    There is a group of idiots who are trying to ban books at the library
    system in the parish (county) next to where I am. The same group of
    idiots who have been at it for years in another parish about an hour's
    drive away. These idiots are like MAGA idiots on steroids. Nobody
    likes them. Except local public elected officials they are able to
    bribe.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Sun Oct 30 04:14:09 2022
    Hello Roman,

    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social security was invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.

    Only John Birchers. Everybody else credits FDR.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Sun Oct 30 04:14:40 2022
    Hello Roman,

    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social security was invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.

    Thank you, FDR (Social Security).
    Thank you, LBJ (Medicare/Medicaid).
    Thank you, GWB (Medicare Part D).
    Thank you, BHO (ObamaCare).

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Oct 29 21:37:01 2022
    On 30 Oct 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Ayn Rand was an author of fiction with a political agenda. In her lat years, she had no problem accepting social security payments.
    She earned it. So why shouldn't she have accepted it?

    I don't know, maybe because she railed against everything it represents?

    You will be
    surprised how mean and stupid their belief system is.
    As presented by an author of fiction? Surely you're smarter than that
    She could write. Although her novel "Atlas" was a short piece of
    fiction, she really got into it with her novel "Foundation" ...

    Writers of fiction can literally write anything they want. They make up the stories and can make them lead wherever they want them to.

    Is this all just an elaborate attempt on your part to avoid addressin "cancel culture?" You might consider Michigan GOP gubernatorial candi Tudor Dixen, who suggested banning children from reading books about divorce.
    This is just the latest in the GOP effort to ban books across the cou
    There is a group of idiots who are trying to ban books at the library system in the parish (county) next to where I am. The same group of
    idiots who have been at it for years in another parish about an hour's drive away. These idiots are like MAGA idiots on steroids. Nobody
    likes them. Except local public elected officials they are able to
    bribe.

    Texas, too, is no stranger to conservative attempts to ban books. Despite all of the sex, violence, and morally questionable behavior in it, though, they never seem to want to ban the Bible.

    Jeff.

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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Sun Oct 30 10:19:59 2022
    You are clear evidence that the Communists suffer from graphomania. And instead of transferring all your property to the "collective farm", you
    write to the bourgeois Internet, tovarish. Communists like you call "useful bourgeois idiots." Therefore, I suggest you start with yourself and move to one of the prosperous countries of your choice: Cuba, Venezuela and of
    course North Korea.

    <Lee Lofaso> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:184.45889c7c.635ddde9@bbs.erb.pw...
    Hello Roman,

    Commies are so predictable. They really believe that social security
    was
    invented by the communists. Don't embarrass yourself here.

    Only John Birchers. Everybody else credits FDR.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Oct 30 13:00:51 2022
    "Putting money into the pockets of working people" sounds far-fetched. When
    will that start happening?

    You haven't seen any of it? WOW! That tells a lot about *you*.

    1. You haven't attended school for long enough to collect student debts. Uneducated, check.

    2. You have not been eligible for any of the many $1400 stimulus checks. Undocumented immigrant? Check.

    3. You cannot Google for global fuel prices, so you don't know that the US is recovering much better than most comparable countries. You don't own a car and Mom pays for the heating oil? Check.

    4. You are not in charge of buying groceries and other stuff, so you are not aware of the fact that the Biden administration has managed to fight inflation better than most comparable countries. You live with your mom? Check.

    5. You don't trust any information that's not in line with your narrow mind. Fox News and Newsmax only? Don't even have access to the internet? Poor Redneck Hillbilly. There's a big world there, outside of your bedroom window. And you waste your life missing out on all that. Check.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Roman Petrovich on Sun Oct 30 13:06:06 2022
    countries of your choice: Cuba, Venezuela and of course North Korea.

    Here we go again. You are not really into the read&understand part of humanity, are you?

    BTW, that BBS you are posting from does not conform to FTS norms. Let that incompetent sysop of yours know, that this type of internet bridges to Fidonet was frown upon already last century.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Oct 30 11:23:00 2022
    and the more recent Fight Inflation now bill. The former will put money into the pockets of working people as they help to repair the aging

    "Putting money into the pockets of working people" sounds far-fetched. When will that start happening?

    When they start giving us more stimulus payments, which will only make
    things worse but they will hope the $$$ will distract us from that.

    My infrastructure hasn't been updated yet. I'm still paying double for fossil fuel to heat my home, still paying double at the pump, and I'm more dependent than ever on foreign oil.

    The alleged idea is that our generation(s) will finally bear the burden so
    that future generations can be "green and free."

    The problem with one of those future generations ("Z") is that they believe such things as being a social influencer is a primary form of employment
    and are willing to sell their souls on a social media platform that is
    owned by a foreign country and that censors any posts that go against the beliefs of their government.


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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Sun Oct 30 18:43:23 2022
    That's just funny.

    "Bj”rn Felten" <Bj"rn Felten>
    countries of your choice: Cuba, Venezuela and of course North Korea.

    Here we go again. You are not really into the read&understand part of humanity, are you?

    BTW, that BBS you are posting from does not conform to FTS norms. Let
    that incompetent sysop of yours know, that this type of internet bridges
    to Fidonet was frown upon already last century.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Sun Oct 30 14:19:53 2022
    will that start happening?

    You haven't seen any of it? WOW! That tells a lot about *you*.

    Your snotty attitude is a prelude to how ignorant you are:

    1. You haven't attended school for long enough to collect student debts. Uneducated, check.

    Biden's "Student Loan Forgiveness" is not part of the "Build Back Better" or the "Bi-Partisan Infrastructure Act;" it's a separate bill. (BTW I've paid off my student loan in full without any government handjobs.)

    2. You have not been eligible for any of the many $1400 stimulus checks. Undocumented immigrant? Check.

    Has nothing to do with Biden's wasteful spending bills. You're referrring to the "American Rescue Plan." Sure, I got the $1400, but I didn't ask for it. I didn't need it. Is it smart to take money from people who need it and give it to people who don't? (I bought a lot of beer, weed and weed accessories with it.)

    3. You cannot Google for global fuel prices, so you don't know that
    the US is recovering much better than most comparable countries. You
    don't own a car and Mom pays for the heating oil? Check.

    The prices have doubled in my region of the USA since 2020. I'm gonna ask mom to put a TV in the basement so that way I don't have to ask real people questions about reality anymore. ;)

    5. You don't trust any information that's not in line with your
    narrow mind. Fox News and Newsmax only? Don't even have access to the

    You don't have any specifics to accompany your vagueness. One news channel is as good as the next. It's not "news" anyway, it's just narrative. The world shouldn't be controlled by a presentation made by narrators. It is you who needs to emerge from mom's basement and ask questions to real people instead
    of Google.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Björn Felten on Sun Oct 30 14:25:31 2022
    BTW, that BBS you are posting from does not conform to FTS norms. Let that incompetent sysop of yours know, that this type of internet bridges to Fidonet was frown upon already last century.

    Who cares? It conforms to the rules of this echo.

    Let's check with Janis to see what she thinks about all this... oh.. .that's right ;)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Roman Petrovich on Sun Oct 30 14:54:14 2022
    On 30 Oct 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...
    You are clear evidence that the Communists suffer from graphomania. And instead of transferring all your property to the "collective farm", you write to the bourgeois Internet, tovarish. Communists like you call "useful bourgeois idiots." Therefore, I suggest you start with yourself and move to one of the prosperous countries of your choice: Cuba, Venezuela and of course North Korea.

    Keep in mind that a single sentence from Lee prompted this entire paragraph, and then reconsider who suffers from graphomania.

    As for myself, I'm not suggesting communism or even pure socialism for the
    US. I would much prefer a mixed economy. However, I will defend Communism and Socialism from outright lies about their nature.

    Why do you feel the need to lie about them in order to prop up Capitalism?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROMAN PETROVICH on Sun Oct 30 18:51:00 2022
    That's just funny.

    BTW, that BBS you are posting from does not conform to FTS norms. Let that incompetent sysop of yours know, that this type of internet bridges
    to Fidonet was frown upon already last century.

    No worries, you and the "incompetent sysop of yours" are both welcome to
    post here from that BBS. The person who wrote that is not the moderator
    here.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sun Oct 30 22:08:00 2022
    "Putting money into the pockets of working people" sounds far-fetched. W will that start happening?

    When they start giving us more stimulus payments, which will only make things worse but they will hope the $$$ will distract us from that.

    Delightful! More weed, more beer, more inflation! ;)

    The alleged idea is that our generation(s) will finally bear the burden
    so that future generations can be "green and free."

    That gives them the pefect talking point in case anyone complains about
    concern for future generations!

    The problem with one of those future generations ("Z") is that they believe such things as being a social influencer is a primary form of employment and are willing to sell their souls on a social media
    platform that is owned by a foreign country and that censors any posts that go against the beliefs of their government.

    Democrats are teaching younger generations to waste money (gimmick infrastructure bills) and even to double-down on wasting it (Infrastructure Reduction Act.) How can we teach future generations to stop listening to the media?

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