I do love my country very much and because of such
love I saw no problem with America First, you saw it as derogatory. My question is why?
[...]I do love my country very much and because of suchSo no problem turning the clock back a century, when women had no voting rights?
love I saw no problem with America First, you saw it as derogatory. M question is why?
We all know that you already tries to turn the clock back half a century, when abortions, contraceptives and homosexuality was illegal.
Reactionaries: Want things the way it was back then. Make America
Great *Again* .
So no problem turning the clock back a century, when women had noSocialists find them term "Make America Great Again" to be threating due to their socialist ideology. When it was really nothing more then putting a
voting rights?
We all know that you already tries to turn the clock back half a
century, when abortions, contraceptives and homosexuality was illegal. Progressives: Want progress, moving forward into the future.
Liberals: Want liberty, even more freedom from government oppression. Conservatives: Want things to remain the same, no progress. We're
fine thank you very much.
Reactionaries: Want things the way it was back then. Make America
Great *Again*
So no problem turning the clock back a century, when women had no voting rights?
We all know that you already tries to turn the clock back half a century, when abortions, contraceptives and homosexuality was illegal Progressives: Want progress, moving forward into the future. Liberals: Want liberty, even more freedom from government oppression. Conservatives: Want things to remain the same, no progress. We're fine thank you very much.
Reactionaries: Want things the way it was back then. Make America Great *Again*Socialists find them term "Make America Great Again" to be threating due to their socialist ideology. When it was really nothing more then
putting a end to the division that exists here in the U.S.A. and
everyone to being prosperous and of course from that; promotes
happiness. Even America First had nothing to do with rolling back the calendar or anything that considered to be derogatory. What people are forgetting is that even Bill Clinton used this term Make America Great, there was not a peep from any Socialist, Marxist or Liberal.
A lot of sources are saying that we are close to a nuclear disaster. We may
or may not be, depending on one man's whim. That seems like something to be
concerned about to me.
What's the difference between "Make America Great" and "Make America Great Again?" Look closely, can you spot it? That's right! The word "again!"
What does "again" mean though? In this context, it means "like it was before at some unspecified point in the past." So we need to make America more like it was before, but when?
Would this be before the civil rights era? Do you feel that Americans were less divisive prior to the civil rights movement?
When exactly was America great before? What is this time that you want to go back to?
What's the difference between "Make America Great" and "Make America Gre Again?" Look closely, can you spot it? That's right! The word "again!" What does "again" mean though? In this context, it means "like it was be at some unspecified point in the past." So we need to make America more it was before, but when?For most, it was when we produced most of what we consumed, before jobs were shipped elsewhere. For most, they were not looking to travel back
Would this be before the civil rights era? Do you feel that Americans we less divisive prior to the civil rights movement?
When exactly was America great before? What is this time that you want t back to?
in time on everything... only an idiot would want to go back to a time
to take away civil rights, and only an idiot would believe that a significant number of people would want to. I suspect you don't really believe that and only bring it up to make Aaron and other feel bad about wanting to see American be a producer again. I can only guess that producer scenario means that you wouldn't get whatever it is you want.
Right now, it could even be any point between when Carter was President and now... you know, when inflation was not at record levels?
I have seen some photos of MAGA folks with Confederate flags, but I have never seen Trump campaign material that used it. I have seen
Clinton-Gore pins that used one as the motif. 1992 was supposedly long after the "big shift" and, ironically, there were Democrats in 2008 and again in 2016 that thought an HRC Presidency would be a return to those Clinton-Gore times.
It should make you wonder who is wanting to go back to what exactly, but
I bet it does not. I am not dumb enough to believe that any significant number of them want to go back and strip away civil rights, either, but
I am not the one that supposed that, so....
IIRC, "Make American Great Again," was borrowed (and only slightly changed) from a Bill Clinton campaign, either early 1992 or one of his runs for governor. Being a "D" I am sure he is above reproach for
wanting to go back to some unspecified period in history for whatever reason.
IIRC, "Make American Great Again," was borrowed (and only slightly changed) from a Bill Clinton campaign, either early 1992 or one of his runs for governor. Being a "D" I am sure he is above reproach for wanting to go back to some unspecified period in history for whatever reason.
The "Again" being the problematic part.
IIRC, the "Again" part was not the change. The change would have been America or Arkansas.IIRC, "Make American Great Again," was borrowed (and only slightly changed) from a Bill Clinton campaign, either early 1992 or one of runs for governor. Being a "D" I am sure he is above reproach for wanting to go back to some unspecified period in history for whatev reason.The "Again" being the problematic part.
I agree, if you believe that America has never been great at any point,
as you seem to, or if you believe that in order to make one part as good as it used to be you have to bring everything bad back with it, there is no point in anyone expecting you to want to make it "Great Again" and probably not even to want to make it "great."
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Coup sure did exist with Trump but not in the way that you think.
Curious would you still refer a "coup as tyranny" when there is tons
of data to suggest and to support the clear indication of a coup that
was and continuously developing against Trump?
I remember a John Oliver segment on the Daily Show, back when Jon Stewart was still hosting, and Oliver went out to interview people, asking them what decade they thought that America was at its greatest. In a majority of cases, that decade was the decade in which the respondent was a child, before they became politically aware.
I remember a John Oliver segment on the Daily Show, back when Jon Stewar still hosting, and Oliver went out to interview people, asking them what decade they thought that America was at its greatest. In a majority of c that decade was the decade in which the respondent was a child, before t became politically aware.Becoming politically aware is one of the many realizations that makes one less happy about life for most people.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
Becoming politically aware is one of the many realizations that makes
one less happy about life for most people.
Becoming politically aware is one of the many realizations that makes one less happy about life for most people.The Ignorant Elitists have forced us to become more politically aware beause we realize now that our rights and lives are in danger unless we are more aware.
Once you have become politically aware, you can't undo it.
And this is something that we will **never** forgive them for.
Becoming politically aware is one of the many realizations that makes one less happy about life for most people.
The Ignorant Elitists have forced us to become more politically aware beause w
realize now that our rights and lives are in danger unless we are more aware.
Once you have become politically aware, you can't undo it.
And this is something that we will **never** forgive them for.
The Ignorant Elitists have forced us to become more politically aware beause we realize now that our rights and lives are in danger unless we are more aware.
Once you have become politically aware, you can't undo it.
And this is something that we will **never** forgive them for.
Uhh.... I'm not sure you understand what "politically aware" means.
Unfortunately, I think he does. We are not able to remain blissfully ignorant or our rights will be eroded away. That is something that actively happens... it is not like they get eroded by accident. Politicians make sure of that.The Ignorant Elitists have forced us to become more politically awa beause we realize now that our rights and lives are in danger unles are more aware.Uhh.... I'm not sure you understand what "politically aware" means.
Once you have become politically aware, you can't undo it.
And this is something that we will **never** forgive them for.
Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-
Once you have become politically aware, you can't undo it.
It is one of those things that makes you wonder if senility is all that bad.
And this is something that we will **never** forgive them for.
Indeed. The unaware are who they feed on.
Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-
Note that he said "elitists" and didn't make a distinction between from which side.
Uhh.... I'm not sure you understand what "politically aware" means.Unfortunately, I think he does. We are not able to remain blissfully ignorant or our rights will be eroded away. That is something that actively happens... it is not like they get eroded by accident. Politicians make sure of that.
Being politically aware, informed citizens is our duty and has been since the inception of this country. Our democracy is based on that duty, and depends on it,
Being politically aware, informed citizens is our duty and has been sinc inception of this country. Our democracy is based on that duty, and depe on it,Being informed vs. having to constantly keep an eye on what folks who
want to erode freedoms and bring about "social change" (in the form of socialism or worse) are different things.
Democracy would not have to
depend on the latter if those people Ron calls the "elite" were not actively participating in such activities.
But they are, as do many of
their supporters, and that is the thing I am guess he would never
forgive them for.
As I do not hold most politicians, especially
national level ones, in very high regard, I guess I also do not.
Being informed vs. having to constantly keep an eye on what folks who
want to erode freedoms and bring about "social change" (in the form of
socialism or worse) are different things.
There have been no serious Socialist candidates for decades.
What conservatives decry as socialism in no such thing, and they're just trying to use scare tactics and dehimanize their opponents.
There have been no serious Socialist candidates for decades.Except for Bernie Sanders, who won as a socialist, still claims
to be a socialist, and remains an elected public official, now as
a US Senator from Vermont.
Conservatives love socialism, as long as the benefits are for
the wealthy.
That is a way of saying there is no threat when you know better. There have, to my knowledge, never been any serious Socialist candidates, but there are a lot of Democrats with socialist agendas.Being informed vs. having to constantly keep an eye on what folks w want to erode freedoms and bring about "social change" (in the form socialism or worse) are different things.There have been no serious Socialist candidates for decades. What conservatives decry as socialism in no such thing, and they're just tryi use scare tactics and dehimanize their opponents.
Not just socialists. You can probably think of a few "elites" on the GOP side that you think are up to no good, right?Democracy would not have toIn other words, Ron's "elite" are socialists. I'll be sure to keep an ey for any socialists.
depend on the latter if those people Ron calls the "elite" were not actively participating in such activities.
But Democrats who are socialists include AOC and other members of "The Squad," as well as the soon to retire Democrat from Kentucky's House deligation, whose name suprisingly escapes me at the moment. They allBut they are, as do many ofThere have been no serious socialist candidates for decades.
their supporters, and that is the thing I am guess he would never forgive them for.
not only were candidates but managed to get elected, and multiple times.
In some cases maybe but, in the majority of races, even in the primaries, you are stuck with multiple untrustworthy candidates. The trustworthy ones don't usually get any financial OR party backing and are also-ransAs I do not hold most politicians, especiallyIs it a possibility that the fact that some, most, or all politicians ar untrustworthy be a reflection of the lack of political awareness among t who elected them?
national level ones, in very high regard, I guess I also do not.
by the time the primary roles around.
Being informed vs. having to constantly keep an eye on what folks who want to erode freedoms and bring about "social change" (in the form of socialism or worse) are different things.
There have been no serious Socialist candidates for decades. What conservatives decry as socialism in no such thing, and they're just trying to use scare tactics and dehimanize their opponents.
Democracy would not have to
depend on the latter if those people Ron calls the "elite" were not actively participating in such activities.
In other words, Ron's "elite" are socialists. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for any socialists.
But they are, as do many of
their supporters, and that is the thing I am guess he would never forgive them for.
There have been no serious socialist candidates for decades.
As I do not hold most politicians, especially
national level ones, in very high regard, I guess I also do not.
Is it a possibility that the fact that some, most, or all politicians are untrustworthy be a reflection of the lack of political awareness among those who elected them?
Not just socialists. You can probably think of a few "elites" on the GOP
side that you think are up to no good, right?
Given that you defined these elite as doing things like socialism, no.
In some cases maybe but, in the majority of races, even in the primaries,
you are stuck with multiple untrustworthy candidates. The trustworthy ones don't usually get any financial OR party backing and are also-rans by the time the primary roles around.
Some are more trustworthy than others, though.
I said socialism or worse.Not just socialists. You can probably think of a few "elites" on t GOPGiven that you defined these elite as doing things like socialism, no.
side that you think are up to no good, right?
We have some on a more local level.In some cases maybe but, in the majority of races, even in the primaries,Some are more trustworthy than others, though.
you are stuck with multiple untrustworthy candidates. The trustwor ones don't usually get any financial OR party backing and are also- by the time the primary roles around.
There have been no serious Socialist candidates for decades.
Except for Bernie Sanders, who won as a socialist, still claims
to be a socialist, and remains an elected public official, now as
a US Senator from Vermont.
Bernie describes himself as a "Democratic Socialist." He's a far cry from, say, Eugene Debs.
Conservatives love socialism, as long as the benefits are for
the wealthy.
Proper socialism advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. No one that I know of supports this.
What conservatives mean by "socialism" is a government redistribution of wealth, and yes, they support it when it serves their purpose. But few realize, or will admit, that tax cuts for the wealthy are also a government
redistribution of wealth.
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