• Re: "i Hate The Lefties,

    From MIKE POWELL@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sun Aug 14 18:18:00 2022
    Sorry I forgot... Righties always bad, lefties always good, no matter what.

    My bad.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Aug 15 08:05:05 2022
    Sorry I forgot... Righties always bad, lefties always good, no matter what.

    "United we are strong, divided we are weak."

    -- An Eternal Truth

    It seems like the neo-fascist GOP are dead set on weakening the *United* States of America...

    Well, it worked so well in Germany a century ago, so why not adopt their playbook?




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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Aug 15 09:46:13 2022
    On 14 Aug 2022, MIKE POWELL said the following...
    Sorry I forgot... Righties always bad, lefties always good, no matter what.
    My bad.

    Perha[s you could provide some concrete examples of Leftists forcing their religious beliefs on others?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Aug 15 04:26:09 2022
    Sorry I forgot... Righties always bad, lefties always good, no matter what.
    My bad.

    Rule of thumb: Lefties Tighties, Righties Loosies :)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 15 16:25:33 2022
    On 15 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Sorry I forgot... Righties always bad, lefties always good, no matt what.
    My bad.
    Perha[s you could provide some concrete examples of Leftists forcing the religious beliefs on others?
    In the message I posted, I never said they did. I did say they sometimes do force their non-beliefs on people, including the belief that all Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian fanatics, which includes attacking them (by default setting) even when said Republican is agreeing with them.

    Non-beliefs? Would those be facts?

    Not all Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian fanatics, but as a whole they tend to strongly favor allowing ultra-conservative Christian fanatics to force their beliefs on others. They are complicit.

    Are you implying that I attacked you? I wasn't aware that I had.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Aug 15 16:39:00 2022
    Sorry I forgot... Righties always bad, lefties always good, no matter what.
    My bad.

    Perha[s you could provide some concrete examples of Leftists forcing their religious beliefs on others?

    In the message I posted, I never said they did. I did say they sometimes
    do force their non-beliefs on people, including the belief that all
    Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian fanatics, which includes
    attacking them (by default setting) even when said Republican is agreeing
    with them.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Aug 16 16:17:00 2022
    Sorry I forgot... Righties always bad, lefties always good, no mat
    what.
    My bad.
    Perha[s you could provide some concrete examples of Leftists forcing th
    religious beliefs on others?
    In the message I posted, I never said they did. I did say they sometimes
    do force their non-beliefs on people, including the belief that all Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian fanatics, which includes attacking them (by default setting) even when said Republican is agreeing
    with them.

    Non-beliefs? Would those be facts?

    Since we are talking about religion, I don't know if their lack of belief
    is backed by facts or not. The only people I can think of that might know for sure are dead and don't talk a whole lot.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 16 17:21:12 2022
    On 16 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Non-beliefs? Would those be facts?
    Since we are talking about religion, I don't know if their lack of belief is backed by facts or not. The only people I can think of that might
    know for sure are dead and don't talk a whole lot.

    The only thing I can figure you're talking about is instances when Christians are prevented from placing nativity scenes and other such displays on public property.

    The people preventing such things are not forcing their "non-beliefs" on Christians. Christians can put up their displays on private property, with permission from the owner, all they want.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Aug 17 02:21:38 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Perha[s you could provide some concrete examples of Leftists forcing the
    religious beliefs on others?

    In the message I posted, I never said they did. I did say they
    sometimes do force their non-beliefs on people, including the MP>belief
    that all Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian MP>fanatics, which includes attacking them (by default setting) even MP>when said Republican is agreeing with them.

    Non-beliefs? Would those be facts?

    Without doubt, one cannot believe. For example, Jesus does not
    believe in God. How could he? If he is God, as he claimed, then
    he would know.

    We must doubt in order to believe.

    Whatever our belief might be, we can never truly know. The best
    we can do is come up with a theory of probability. And then believe
    whatever we want, or pretend it does not exist.

    So what are facts? There are no facts.

    Not all Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian fanatics, but as a whole they tend to strongly favor allowing ultra-conservative Christian fanatics to force their beliefs on others.

    That is a theory of probability.

    They are complicit.

    But on what scale? That is the question.

    Are you implying that I attacked you? I wasn't aware that I had.

    Liz Cheney voted 93% of the time in favor of Trump policies,
    but then became one of his fiercest critics. How many of today's
    Trump supporters will run away from him during their own campaigns
    for re-election?

    For Life,
    Lee

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    Get Her Wet Here

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Aug 16 22:06:51 2022
    On 17 Aug 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Without doubt, one cannot believe. For example, Jesus does not
    believe in God. How could he? If he is God, as he claimed, then
    he would know.
    We must doubt in order to believe.
    Whatever our belief might be, we can never truly know. The best
    we can do is come up with a theory of probability. And then believe whatever we want, or pretend it does not exist.
    So what are facts? There are no facts.

    There are facts, as you pointed out in your example of Jesus not believing in God.

    Not all Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian fanatics, but as whole they tend to strongly favor allowing ultra-conservative Christi fanatics to force their beliefs on others.
    That is a theory of probability.

    Roy Moore had plenty of Republican defenders when he wanted the Ten Commandments in his courthouse (not so many, but still quite a few, when he
    was accused of being a psexual predator).

    The Texas GOP platform condemns homosexuality, so either the majority of
    Texas Republicans agree with that statement, or they're voting against their own interests.

    They are complicit.
    But on what scale? That is the question.

    With the USSC falling into conservative hands, the scale is only growing. Recent cases have proven that.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Aug 17 19:11:47 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Non-beliefs? Would those be facts?
    Since we are talking about religion, I don't know if their lack of
    belief
    is backed by facts or not. The only people I can think of that might
    know for sure are dead and don't talk a whole lot.

    The only thing I can figure you're talking about is instances when Christians
    are prevented from placing nativity scenes and other such displays on public
    property.

    The White House is public property. A Christmas Tree is always
    put on display at the White House, every year. No court has ever
    objected to that.

    The people preventing such things are not forcing their "non-beliefs" on Christians. Christians can put up their displays on private property, with permission from the owner, all they want.

    Courthouses and other public places are decorated with Christmas stuff
    every year. Why do you have a problem with that?

    For Life,
    Lee

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    What beer drinkers drink when they're not drinking beer

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Aug 17 15:58:59 2022
    On 17 Aug 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    The White House is public property. A Christmas Tree is always
    put on display at the White House, every year. No court has ever
    objected to that.

    Courts don't object; plaintiffs with standing do.

    Courthouses and other public places are decorated with Christmas stuff every year. Why do you have a problem with that?

    Because it is an instance of the government espousing one religion over all others.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Aug 19 20:37:29 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Without doubt, one cannot believe. For example, Jesus does not
    believe in God. How could he? If he is God, as he claimed, then
    he would know.
    We must doubt in order to believe.
    Whatever our belief might be, we can never truly know. The best
    we can do is come up with a theory of probability. And then believe
    whatever we want, or pretend it does not exist.
    So what are facts? There are no facts.

    There are facts, as you pointed out in your example of Jesus not believing in God.

    Satan also does not believe in God.

    Not all Republicans are ultra-conservative Christian fanatics,
    but as
    whole they tend to strongly favor allowing ultra-conservative
    Christi
    fanatics to force their beliefs on others.
    That is a theory of probability.

    Roy Moore had plenty of Republican defenders when he wanted the Ten Commandments in his courthouse (not so many, but still quite a few, when he
    was accused of being a psexual predator).

    He was so unpopular a candidate in Alabama that the voters chose
    to elect a Democrat. Didn't really matter who. As long as it wasn't
    Moore or his evil brother. And then they tossed the Democrat in
    favor of a football coach who can barely spell his own name.

    The Texas GOP platform condemns homosexuality, so either the majority of Texas Republicans agree with that statement, or they're voting against their
    own interests.

    Their state convention proved it.
    * rejected the 2020 election results
    * repeal the Voting Rights Act of 1965
    * declared that Joe Biden is not actually the Pressident
    * implement a requirement that students learn about "the
    Humanity of the Preborn Child"
    * described homosexuality as an "abnormal lifestyle choice"
    * excluded the Log Cabin Republicans (an LGBTQ+ organization)
    from attendance

    They are complicit.
    But on what scale? That is the question.

    With the USSC falling into conservative hands, the scale is only growing. Recent cases have proven that.

    That is true, across the board.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Aug 19 20:37:52 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    The White House is public property. A Christmas Tree is always
    put on display at the White House, every year. No court has ever
    objected to that.

    Courts don't object; plaintiffs with standing do.

    Presidents and/or their spouses are under no obligation to reside
    at the house provided to them by the public. However, I do not recall
    any president who has refused the offer. Although Melania Trump did
    refuse to move in when it first became available to her.

    Courthouses and other public places are decorated with Christmas LL>stuff
    every year. Why do you have a problem with that?

    Because it is an instance of the government espousing one religion over all
    others.

    Bill O'Reilly should write a new book, "Killing Christmas". It would
    be sure to be another best-seller, just like his "Killing Jesus" book.

    For Life,
    Lee

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    Melts in your mouth, not in your hands

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