• fbi

    From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to All on Mon Aug 8 19:50:00 2022
    This FBI:
    * Pushed Russia collusion hoax
    * Spied on law-abiding Americans
    * Lied to FISA court
    * Ignored Hillary's server escapades
    * Ignored Biden Family criminal activity
    * Persecutes journalists at Project Veritas
    * Treats J6 trespassers like terrorists
    * Goes after PTA moms/


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Matt Munson on Tue Aug 9 08:13:37 2022
    Matt Munson wrote to All <=-

    This FBI:
    * Pushed Russia collusion hoax
    * Spied on law-abiding Americans
    * Lied to FISA court
    * Ignored Hillary's server escapades
    * Ignored Biden Family criminal activity
    * Persecutes journalists at Project Veritas
    * Treats J6 trespassers like terrorists
    * Goes after PTA moms/

    So the joke becomes true. Now that they have been completely politicized, now FBI really does stand for "Female Body Inspector".


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MATT MUNSON on Tue Aug 9 16:34:00 2022
    This FBI:
    * Pushed Russia collusion hoax
    * Spied on law-abiding Americans
    * Lied to FISA court
    * Ignored Hillary's server escapades
    * Ignored Biden Family criminal activity
    * Persecutes journalists at Project Veritas
    * Treats J6 trespassers like terrorists
    * Goes after PTA moms/

    One one hand, National Archives paid a visit to Mara Largo, where they took possession/were given several boxes of information.

    If the FBI had come out and said that Trump had been contacted about
    turning over additional info and had refused, getting a warrant to search
    his home makes sense. That is what the warrant was for... to recover any additional classified documents that should have been sent to the archives.

    However, on the other hand, some of the details that are coming out make it sound like the FBI used the warrant as an opportunity to seize additional documents and property, without verifying that they were covered by the warrant. It also sounds like they did NOT reach out to request additional documents beyond what the Archives had already recovered.

    The Biden Administration is claiming they knew nothing about the raid. If
    that is true, the FBI sure messed the timing up as it will only fire up the
    GOP for the midterms. The only way it can help the Democrats is if they
    find something, but that could go either way if it is determined that they indeed overreached what was allowed in the warrant. The FBI does not
    appear to have a whole lot of fans these days.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 10 08:08:03 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to MATT MUNSON <=-

    If the FBI had come out and said that Trump had been contacted about turning over additional info and had refused, getting a warrant to
    search his home makes sense. That is what the warrant was for... to recover any additional classified documents that should have been sent
    to the archives.

    But Trump was already working with the Archives on this. There was no refusal because there was no ask. The process of going through the documentation to see what needed to be archived was in process.

    So the excuse (I was going to use the word "reason" but it doesn't work here) for the warrant was false.

    The Biden Administration is claiming they knew nothing about the raid.

    Which is a lie. But this is what the Narrative is so that the FBI can take the fall instead of the Elitists.

    If that is true, the FBI sure messed the timing up as it will only fire
    up the GOP for the midterms.

    The GOP is already fired up. But this will turn the Independants away from the Dems - who have been looking like the Stasi for a while now.

    The only way it can help the Democrats is if they find something,

    They will find something in the way that they found evidence for the Russian Collusion Hoax and the Jan. 6 Kangaroo "Trial". Still waiting to see any evidence for those.

    IHMO: This is just a desperate attempt at smearing Trump so prevent him from running again.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Wed Aug 10 13:14:53 2022
    The Biden Administration is claiming they knew nothing about the raid

    Which is a lie. But this is what the Narrative is so that the FBI can take the fall instead of the Elitists.

    We're supposed to assume that the Obama-donor judge who signed the warrant probably doesn't care about politics too much.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Wed Aug 10 16:06:00 2022
    If the FBI had come out and said that Trump had been contacted about turning over additional info and had refused, getting a warrant to search his home makes sense. That is what the warrant was for... to recover any additional classified documents that should have been sent to the archives.

    But Trump was already working with the Archives on this. There was no refusal
    because there was no ask. The process of going through the documentation to see what needed to be archived was in process.

    That is what I heard in the news reports on Tuesday. This morning, on the
    same local news broadcast, they also mentioned that there were meetings
    between Trump and the DOJ regarding additional documents and that those
    "broke down."

    If that really is true, it sounds like he was thumbing his nose at them and maybe even hoping they'd over-react.

    The Biden Administration is claiming they knew nothing about the raid.

    Which is a lie. But this is what the Narrative is so that the FBI can take th
    fall instead of the Elitists.

    That is always possible. I would not put it past this administration.

    If that is true, the FBI sure messed the timing up as it will only fire up the GOP for the midterms.

    The GOP is already fired up. But this will turn the Independants away from th
    Dems - who have been looking like the Stasi for a while now.

    So long as they don't find anything, I believe you are correct. If they do find something but it is determined that they went out of the bounds of the warrant to get the information, it will still turn some Independents away
    from Biden.

    The only way it can help the Democrats is if they find something,

    They will find something in the way that they found evidence for the Russian Collusion Hoax and the Jan. 6 Kangaroo "Trial". Still waiting to see any evidence for those.

    IHMO: This is just a desperate attempt at smearing Trump so prevent him from running again.

    It could turn out to be that... especially when it could turn out to be
    another "Russian Collusion Hoax"... but I don't think it will deter Trump
    from doing whatever he wants unless it leads to a conviction of some sort.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 10 15:12:55 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to RON L. <=-

    So long as they don't find anything, I believe you are correct. If
    they do find something but it is determined that they went out of the bounds of the warrant to get the information, it will still turn some Independents away from Biden.

    The DOJ is independent of the white house, is it not?

    Why would the DOJ investigating Trump turn some independents from Biden?

    IHMO: This is just a desperate attempt at smearing Trump so prevent him
    from
    running again.

    The Jan 6 comittee has already put up the goods on their investigation.

    It could turn out to be that... especially when it could turn out to be another "Russian Collusion Hoax"... but I don't think it will deter
    Trump from doing whatever he wants unless it leads to a conviction of
    some sort.

    Another "Russia Collution Hoax"?

    Donald Trump even today sides with Russia after they invaded Ukraine. He
    says Putin is "smart" to take territory from Ukraine for $2 worth of
    sanctions.

    Donald Trump has always and will always do what he wants. He pleaded the 5th
    in court today.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 11 07:55:33 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    We're supposed to assume that the Obama-donor judge who signed the
    warrant probably doesn't care about politics too much.

    When I heard about the judge's connections, I knew how they got the warrent signed.

    We keep asking for political party affiliation for judges on the ballot, but we keep getting told that judges are non-partisian. I wonder how long they will keep pushing that lie.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Aug 11 17:06:00 2022
    IHMO: This is just a desperate attempt at smearing Trump so prevent him
    from
    running again.

    The Jan 6 comittee has already put up the goods on their investigation.

    I didn't say that, Ron did.

    Welcome back. Glad to see you still cannot figure out who said what and,
    as usual, skipped over something I did say that was not pro-Trump:

    That is what I heard in the news reports on Tuesday. This morning, on the same local news broadcast, they also mentioned that there were meetings between Trump and the DOJ regarding additional documents and that those "broke down."

    If that really is true, it sounds like he was thumbing his nose at them and maybe even hoping they'd over-react.


    Donald Trump has always and will always do what he wants. He pleaded the 5th
    in court today.

    Link?

    At least he didn't claim not to know about the server he stored
    confidential federal government business emails on, or that he didn't know
    what Bleach-Bit was, or claim (while wearing dark sunglasses in court) to have forgotten what happened to confidential emails/documents because he got hit
    on the head recently.

    Ironically, or not, the person who did do all three of those things, while testifying under oath, was never raided by the (Obama-era) FBI.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Mike Powell on Thu Aug 11 14:53:09 2022
    Hello Mike,

    I didn't say that, Ron did.

    Yes, he did. You snipped the part that you did say.

    Welcome back.

    I'm not back.

    Glad to see you still cannot figure out who said what
    and, as usual, skipped over something I did say that was not
    pro-Trump:

    I know very well who said what, and I'm pretty sure you do too but maybe not.

    Donald Trump has always and will always do what he wants. He
    pleaded the 5th in court today.

    Link?

    Oh, did you miss that? Here's a link.

    https://youtu.be/RqfkL2iQkq0

    The Donald speaks at around 0:55.

    At least he didn't claim not to know about the server he stored confidential federal government business emails on, or that he didn't
    know what Bleach-Bit was, or claim (while wearing dark sunglasses in court) to have forgotten what happened to confidential
    emails/documents because he got hit on the head recently.

    Are you still talking about Hillary? ;)

    Ironically, or not, the person who did do all three of those things,
    while testifying under oath, was never raided by the (Obama-era) FBI.

    I don't think Hillary is perfect either but she never plead the 5th in court like Donald Trump did yesterday.

    https://youtu.be/ABWvYUofHs4

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Fri Aug 12 03:51:05 2022
    We keep asking for political party affiliation for judges on the ballot, but we keep getting told that judges are non-partisian. I wonder how
    long they will keep pushing that lie.

    From what I understand, federal magistrate judges don't have campaigns; they're just appointed by the majority of the other federal judges in their district. To me that sounds flawed (if it's true) but to the leftists it probably sounds perfectly legit.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Fri Aug 12 02:53:00 2022
    On 08-11-22 07:55, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: fbi <=-

    We're supposed to assume that the Obama-donor judge who signed the
    warrant probably doesn't care about politics too much.

    When I heard about the judge's connections, I knew how they got the warrent signed.

    What do you know about the judge's connections, other than that he was appointed by Trump?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 12 07:52:58 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    From what I understand, federal magistrate judges don't have campaigns; they're just appointed by the majority of the other federal judges in their district. To me that sounds flawed (if it's true) but to the leftists it probably sounds perfectly legit.

    Ya, there's a bunch of "why did we set it up that day?" questions that surround our political system. When I get a bunch of free time, I'll get around to reading the Federalist Papers and maybe I'll get the answers.

    Seriously, we need to look into some of these things.

    I know that Trump wanted to reclassify many of the positions in the Federal Bureaucracy as "political appointees". This would have the effect of having their fireproof protection removed.

    I think that there are many of these "loopholes" in the system that need to be cleaned up because the Elitists have been using them for a long time to subvert the system.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 12 07:52:58 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

    Welcome back. Glad to see you still cannot figure out who said what
    and, as usual, skipped over something I did say that was not pro-Trump:

    I always find it interesting that when some Elitists shills go quiet that old Elitist shills perk back up.

    It gives some credence to the idea that these "people" are actually one person.

    It's hard to tell because they all are part of the hivemind.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Fri Aug 12 07:55:38 2022
    On 12 Aug 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    It gives some credence to the idea that these "people" are actually one person.

    I'm still around, just focusing on other things right now.

    I've built an 1802 Membership Card computer, and am working building on an Altaid 8800. Both of these are Altoids-tin-sized computers, the former using
    an RCA 1802 "COS/MAC" processor, and the latter using an Intel 8080.

    I've also managed to acquire a couple of Harris/Intersil 6120 "PDP8 on a chip" processors, and have been experimenting with those.

    To top it all off, some Chinese FPGA development boards complete with camera input, display output (including HDMI), a respectable amount of RAM, and an
    SD slot have become available for around $20 pre-shipping. These are perfect for implementing small CPU designs as found in older processors. I hope that Biden's investment in the US semiconductor industry makes more things like
    this available domestically.

    The PDP-8 was an extremely simple design, as computers go, and doesn't even have hardware support for a stack. But what if it did? What if a stack were implemented as a peripheral device?

    The 6502 is notoriously register-poor, instead relying on fast access to
    memory page zero to compensate. Page one is used for the stack. What if instructions referencing page zero instead referenced another, separate area
    of really fast memory? What if stack instructions did the same? What if a memory location were used to select between multiple page zeros?

    These are questions that can be answered, but not if I'm wasting my time here.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Fri Aug 12 13:45:56 2022
    We're supposed to assume that the Obama-donor judge who signed the warrant probably doesn't care about politics too much.

    When I heard about the judge's connections, I knew how they got the warrent signed.

    What do you know about the judge's connections, other than that he was appointed by Trump?

    He was appointed while Trump was president, but not by President Trump.
    Federal magistrate judges aren't appointed by the president.

    https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-trump-appoint-judge-who-approved-fbi-ma -lago-raid-1732495

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 12 12:25:04 2022
    On 12 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    What do you know about the judge's connections, other than that he wa appointed by Trump?
    He was appointed while Trump was president, but not by President Trump. Federal magistrate judges aren't appointed by the president. https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-trump-appoint-judge-who-approved-f -lago-raid-1732495

    Look at you, pulling out the fact-check! And from Newsweek, even!

    It warms my heart, it really does.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Aug 12 21:10:59 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    We keep asking for political party affiliation for judges on the
    ballot,
    but we keep getting told that judges are non-partisian. I wonder how
    long they will keep pushing that lie.

    From what I understand, federal magistrate judges don't have campaigns; they're
    just appointed by the majority of the other federal judges in their district.
    To me that sounds flawed (if it's true) but to the leftists it probably sounds
    perfectly legit.

    Florida Governor Rick Scott (now a US Senator) was a leftist when he
    appointed US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart to the bench???

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Fri Aug 12 21:11:07 2022
    Hello Dale,

    We're supposed to assume that the Obama-donor judge who signed the
    warrant probably doesn't care about politics too much.

    When I heard about the judge's connections, I knew how they got the
    warrent signed.

    What do you know about the judge's connections, other than that he was appointed by Trump?

    Hahahahahahaha!

    Magistrate judges are not appointed by the president
    but instead are appointed by district judges.

    US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart is not an Article III justice,
    regardless of what MAGA loonie-bins might think. He was not appointed
    by Trump, or by Obama, or by any other president. Hell, he has only
    been a magistrate judge since 2018, which should have at least given
    those MAGA clowns a clue.

    But he was appointed to the bench by a Republican. Governor Rick Scott,
    of Florida, who is now a US Senator.

    Have a day,
    Lee

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  • From Matt Munson@1:218/109 to Dale Shipp on Fri Aug 12 10:53:07 2022
    DALE SHIPP(1:261/1466) wrote to Ron L. <=-

    On 08-11-22 07:55, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: fbi <=-

    When I heard about the judge's connections, I knew how they got the warrent signed.

    What do you know about the judge's connections, other than that he was appointed by Trump?
    I think the judge was a BFF of Epstien and his girlfriend. Another reply does explain that he was not appointed by Trump.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Fri Aug 12 15:50:00 2022
    I always find it interesting that when some Elitists shills go quiet that old Elitist shills perk back up.

    It gives some credence to the idea that these "people" are actually one
    erson

    It's hard to tell because they all are part of the hivemind.

    I am guessing they went quiet because trying to defend Biden, his economy,
    and whatever stupid thing he says or does each day got to be too much, especially for the one that told us that we'd be so much better off with
    Biden in charge...

    They are probably coming back now because they are all happy that the FBI
    has raided Trump's home and are hoping they find something so they can say
    "we told you so," ... or trying to get their spin in just in case it doesn't work out the way they hope.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Aug 12 15:53:00 2022
    On 12 Aug 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    It gives some credence to the idea that these "people" are actually one person.

    I'm still around, just focusing on other things right now.

    Replying in the Classic Computer echo. :)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Alan Ianson on Fri Aug 12 16:16:00 2022
    Alan Ianson wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I didn't say that, Ron did.

    Yes, he did. You snipped the part that you did say.

    There was nothing I said in the quote in question. You answered something
    Ron said in a reply to me, as if I wrote it.

    Glad to see you still cannot figure out who said what
    and, as usual, skipped over something I did say that was not
    pro-Trump:

    I know very well who said what, and I'm pretty sure you do too but
    maybe not.

    You apparently don't.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Mike Powell on Fri Aug 12 17:20:02 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to Alan Ianson:

    There was nothing I said in the quote in question. You answered something Ron said in a reply to me, as if I wrote it.

    I quoted what you said. I admit I also quoted Ron for a bit of context.

    I know very well who said what, and I'm pretty sure you do too but maybe not.

    You apparently don't.

    Sorry you what you said along with a bit of context.

    Ttyl,
    Al

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Aug 13 00:51:12 2022
    From what I understand, federal magistrate judges don't have campaig they're
    just appointed by the majority of the other federal judges in their district.
    To me that sounds flawed (if it's true) but to the leftists it probab sounds
    perfectly legit.

    Florida Governor Rick Scott (now a US Senator) was a leftist when he appointed US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart to the bench???

    Rick Scott's not a judge nor a governor, but he should be!

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 13 07:07:28 2022
    They are probably coming back now because they are all happy that the FBI has raided Trump's home and are hoping they find something so they can say "we told you so," ... or trying to get their spin in just in case it doesn't work out the way they hope.

    Person,
    Woman,
    Man,
    Camera,
    PRISON!




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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Aug 13 00:41:04 2022
    On 08-12-22 21:11, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about fbi <=-

    What do you know about the judge's connections, other than that he was appointed by Trump?

    Hahahahahahaha!

    Magistrate judges are not appointed by the president
    but instead are appointed by district judges.

    I now know that is correct.

    But he was appointed to the bench by a Republican. Governor Rick
    Scott, of Florida, who is now a US Senator.

    So which is it? He was appointed by the district judges or he was
    appointed by the governor?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 13 00:47:06 2022
    On 08-12-22 03:51, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Ron L. about Re: fbi <=-


    We keep asking for political party affiliation for judges on the ballot, but we keep getting told that judges are non-partisian. I wonder how
    long they will keep pushing that lie.

    From what I understand, federal magistrate judges don't
    have campaigns; they're
    just appointed by the majority of the other federal judges in their district. To me that sounds flawed (if it's true) but to the leftists
    it probably sounds perfectly legit.

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result of
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sat Aug 13 12:37:27 2022
    just appointed by the majority of the other federal judges in their district. To me that sounds flawed (if it's true) but to the leftists it probably sounds perfectly legit.

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result of
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Sat Aug 13 09:09:00 2022
    I know very well who said what, and I'm pretty sure you do too but maybe not.

    You apparently don't.

    Sorry you what you said along with a bit of context.

    ????? Did your teleprompter glitch?


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757.2 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 13 15:32:23 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON:

    Sorry you what you said along with a bit of context.

    ????? Did your teleprompter glitch?

    Teleprompter? Is that what you think this is?

    https://youtu.be/hMyh7ko9L2g

    Ttyl,
    Al

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Aug 13 23:48:00 2022
    On 08-13-22 12:37, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result of
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

    With that system you get judges who know the law and apply it fairly.
    If judges are subject to popular vote, they have to spend much time
    campaigning instead of judging -- plus they get voted on by people who
    have little understanding of the law.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 14 11:15:28 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I am guessing they went quiet because trying to defend Biden, his
    economy, and whatever stupid thing he says or does each day got to be
    too much, especially for the one that told us that we'd be so much
    better off with Biden in charge...

    I figured that part. They do tend to go quiet when reality proves stronger than their Narrative.

    They don't want to hear the "I told you so" and they don't like being wrong.

    They are probably coming back now because they are all happy that the
    FBI has raided Trump's home and are hoping they find something so they
    can say "we told you so," ... or trying to get their spin in just in
    case it doesn't work out the way they hope.

    I'd say more of the "spin" part.

    We've already caught the Propaganda Ministry pushing a "Nuclear Secrets" Narrative without any factual basis.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Aug 14 11:15:28 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result of
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

    Here in the Grand Rapids, MI, area, we used to have something called Art Prize.

    It started as "artists display the works around the city and people vote on what they like. The art piece that gets the most votes wins." Which was a wonderful way to get people downdown, in businesses, looking at the artists' works.

    But then the Elitists stepped in. The "right" art wasn't winning. The protest "art" installations were getting voted down. They needed to do something.

    Their solution: a peer review system that "took into consideration" the public vote - but in reality just ignored the people's votes and made sure that the "right" art won.

    Fast forward a couple years and Art Prize is no more.

    A "peer review" system is nothing more than the Elitists' attempt at taking away control from the people.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sun Aug 14 11:19:59 2022
    On 13 Aug 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 08-13-22 12:37, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

    With that system you get judges who know the law and apply it fairly.
    rrrright... Are you forgetting that Hillary deleted thirty thousand emails and used bleach-bit and destroyed cell phones with hammers.

    Sandy Berger removed classified: CNN reported within his pants and socks. wither where he placed them are True or False, the facts remain he still removed classified documents. No one raided his home, or the home of Hillary Clinton.

    Biden Crime Family - seems untouchable.

    Double standard? I would say YES! Unquestionably..
    Therefore, how can you say judges know the law or are able to say that they apply it fairly.
    It has been made clear and "for sometime now" that they do not.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Sun Aug 14 11:16:00 2022
    With that system you get judges who know the law and apply it fairly.
    If judges are subject to popular vote, they have to spend much time campaigning instead of judging -- plus they get voted on by people who
    have little understanding of the law.

    I agree with the second sentence, but I still firmly believe that the
    judges appointed in this scenario would be chosen by their peers based on
    their own beliefs and values, just like when politicians appoint
    them. The sole difference being the politician is also worried about being re-elected, so their beliefs would be more likely to change.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Sun Aug 14 13:36:40 2022
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

    With that system you get judges who know the law and apply it fairly.
    If judges are subject to popular vote, they have to spend much time campaigning instead of judging -- plus they get voted on by people who have little understanding of the law.

    To trust a bunch of ex lawyers more than you trust the voters seems like a mistake.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron L. on Mon Aug 15 00:30:00 2022
    On 08-14-22 11:15, Ron L. <=-
    spoke to Aaron Thomas about Re: fbi <=-

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result of
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

    Here in the Grand Rapids, MI, area, we used to have
    something called Art Prize.

    It started as "artists display the works around the city and people
    vote on what they like. The art piece that gets the most votes wins." Which was a wonderful way to get people downdown, in businesses,
    looking at the artists' works.

    But then the Elitists stepped in. The "right" art wasn't
    winning. The protest
    "art" installations were getting voted down. They needed to do
    something.
    Their solution: a peer review system that "took into consideration"
    the public vote - but in reality just ignored the people's votes and
    made sure that the "right" art won.

    Fast forward a couple years and Art Prize is no more.

    A "peer review" system is nothing more than the Elitists' attempt at taking away control from the people.

    Your example is fair. As far as art is concerned, it can be said that
    beauty (or whatever) is in the eye of the beholder. If the city wanted
    a popular art show, then it would be best to let the populist do the
    voting. If the city wanted a critically aclaimed art show, then perhaps
    a panel of known artist critics is the way to go. I don't see how
    mixing the two makes any sense.

    OTOH, your analogy is flawed when it comes to judges. Judges are
    supposed to know the law, apply it fairly and evenly. I don't know
    about you, but I know that I am not qualified to say how well a
    potential judge meets those criteria. Nor would most of the population.
    That is why a political vote to select judges cannot pick the best
    qualified judges. It takes senior judges to know the qualifications to
    decide which potential candidates would be able to fit the criteria.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Aug 15 02:21:02 2022
    On 08-14-22 11:19, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain
    office only as a result
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

    With that system you get judges who know the law and apply it fairly.
    rrrright... Are you forgetting that Hillary deleted thirty thousand
    emails and used bleach-bit and destroyed cell phones with hammers.

    Not at all. I do not know all of the facts in that case, only the
    public facing ones.

    Sandy Berger removed classified: CNN reported within his pants and
    socks. wither where he placed them are True or False, the facts remain
    he still removed classified documents. No one raided his home, or the
    home of Hillary Clinton.

    What reason would there have been to raid Hillary Clinton's home?

    As to Sandy Berger, I had no recollection of him and had to look him up.
    What I read has him taking classified documents from the archive and
    destroying some of them (three out of five). In one article the
    level of classification was described as "highly classified". In
    another article it stated "confidential". Neither confirmed that the
    documents held any official classification. In the end, he reached a
    plea deal and was fined with no jail time.

    Making a comparison between Berger's offenses and those of Trump is like comparing a small cottage to Trump tower. Trump had very highly
    classified documents. He lied about having them, and denied a subpoena
    to deliver them. He kept them in a storage locker which was not capable
    of storing such documents safely, and in an area accessible to multiple
    people who should not have access to such documents. All of this he did
    with a flagrant disregard for the handling of classified documents.




    Biden Crime Family - seems untouchable.

    What crime family. It is possible that Hunter Biden has done some
    questionable things, but nothing has yet been proven. In any case, that
    has no bearing on the President. It would not be the first time that a President's relatives were a "skeleton in the closet".

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon Aug 15 08:42:20 2022
    All of this he did
    with a flagrant disregard for the handling of classified documents.

    More important is, that none of the three laws, that he is suspected to have broken, needs to have classified documents involved to apply. Every stolen document, classified or not, applies in all three cases.

    But of course, the movement that so desperately defends this criminal, even if it means damage to their national security, can not be bothered with fact checking. As long as they can rile up hatred against those darn Lefties, that are trying to take from the rich and give to their poor, they have reached their goal.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon Aug 15 14:54:26 2022
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    I am of the opinion that judges should obtain office only as a result of
    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    Russia has that kind of justice. I wonder what it will take for the
    Biden administration to spring those Americans who are being unfairly
    detained in their prisons/gulags?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon Aug 15 14:54:38 2022
    Hello Dale,

    What do you know about the judge's connections, other than that he was
    appointed by Trump?

    Hahahahahahaha!

    Magistrate judges are not appointed by the president
    but instead are appointed by district judges.

    I now know that is correct.

    Are you sure?

    But he was appointed to the bench by a Republican. Governor Rick
    Scott, of Florida, who is now a US Senator.

    So which is it? He was appointed by the district judges or he was appointed by the governor?

    To answer your own question, this is what you wrote in a previous
    message to Aaron -

    You are right. I saw that he was a federal judge who took office in
    2018 and thought that meant he was appointed by Trump. I was wrong.
    As a magistrate judge, he was appointed by the federal district
    judges.

    You still got it wrong.

    Remember, he is *not* an Article III justice.

    Here's his bio -

    https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/17724538


    Now try reading my original message again.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 15 14:55:01 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    From what I understand, federal magistrate judges don't have
    campaig
    they're
    just appointed by the majority of the other federal judges in
    their
    district.
    To me that sounds flawed (if it's true) but to the leftists it
    probab
    sounds
    perfectly legit.

    Florida Governor Rick Scott (now a US Senator) was a leftist when he
    appointed US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart to the bench???

    Rick Scott's not a judge nor a governor, but he should be!

    Dude, Rick Scott was the previous governor of Florida, who is
    now an elected US Senator from Florida. You do understand how he
    got the job?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Mon Aug 15 04:10:34 2022
    Their solution: a peer review system that "took into consideration" the public vote - but in reality just ignored the people's votes and made
    sure that the "right" art won.

    Fast forward a couple years and Art Prize is no more.

    A "peer review" system is nothing more than the Elitists' attempt at taking away control from the people.

    Thanks for that explanation! I see it that way too (with the federal judges.) Letting voters decide anything is un-Democrat-ic.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Aug 15 14:19:02 2022
    Florida Governor Rick Scott (now a US Senator) was a leftist when he
    appointed US Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart to the bench???

    Rick Scott's not a judge nor a governor, but he should be!

    Dude, Rick Scott was the previous governor of Florida, who is
    now an elected US Senator from Florida. You do understand how he
    got the job?

    Sorry, I was confusing Rick Scott with Tim Scott. Nevermind!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Mon Aug 15 16:23:00 2022
    Making a comparison between Berger's offenses and those of Trump is like comparing a small cottage to Trump tower. Trump had very highly
    classified documents. He lied about having them, and denied a subpoena
    to deliver them. He kept them in a storage locker which was not capable
    of storing such documents safely, and in an area accessible to multiple people who should not have access to such documents. All of this he did
    with a flagrant disregard for the handling of classified documents.

    Even foxnews.com has reported that there were documents from some of the highest classified classifications supposedly removed from his home. He
    should have known better.

    It did also note that some documents were on the list that were not
    classified and/or may be covered by lawyer/client priveledge. If that is
    the case, they should know better. The search warrant only covered
    classified documents and not personal, unclassified ones.

    Biden Crime Family - seems untouchable.

    What crime family. It is possible that Hunter Biden has done some questionable things, but nothing has yet been proven. In any case, that
    has no bearing on the President. It would not be the first time that a President's relatives were a "skeleton in the closet".

    Yes, but how many of those skeletons requested that a cut be saved for "the
    big guy." I don't have much doubt who Hunter was referring to.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 16 01:56:00 2022
    On 08-15-22 16:23, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    It did also note that some documents were on the list that were not classified and/or may be covered by lawyer/client priveledge. If that
    is the case, they should know better. The search warrant only covered classified documents and not personal, unclassified ones.

    The warrant was not restricted to classified documents. For example, it included government and/or presidential records.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Aug 16 01:03:02 2022
    On 08-14-22 13:36, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-


    a peer review, and not based on any sort of popular opinion.

    What's good about that system?

    With that system you get judges who know the law and apply it fairly.
    If judges are subject to popular vote, they have to spend much time campaigning instead of judging -- plus they get voted on by people who have little understanding of the law.

    To trust a bunch of ex lawyers more than you trust the voters seems
    like a mistake.

    Would you trust voters to decide what medical doctor you could see when
    you are sick?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Tue Aug 16 16:56:00 2022
    It did also note that some documents were on the list that were not classified and/or may be covered by lawyer/client priveledge. If that is the case, they should know better. The search warrant only covered classified documents and not personal, unclassified ones.

    The warrant was not restricted to classified documents. For example, it included government and/or presidential records.

    Right, "not personal (i.e. ones that are not government), unclassified
    ones." They supposedly took some which are covered by lawyer/client priviledge, which I don't think classified, government, or presidential documents could be.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Tue Aug 16 14:43:25 2022
    To trust a bunch of ex lawyers more than you trust the voters seems like a mistake.

    Would you trust voters to decide what medical doctor you could see when you are sick?

    I'm sorry if I'm missing the point, but yes I would trust voters for that.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 17 00:44:00 2022
    On 08-16-22 14:43, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-


    To trust a bunch of ex lawyers more than you trust the voters seems like a mistake.

    Would you trust voters to decide what medical doctor you could see when you are sick?

    I'm sorry if I'm missing the point, but yes I would trust voters for
    that.

    If that were the situation, then I hope that you never get sick. Voters
    in large do not vote based on technical qualifications that they do not understand -- but on personality, charisma, etc. As such they could
    easily vote a person who gratuated from a community college with a two
    year degree to be your doctor. Such a person could easily kill you
    because of lack of medical knowledge.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Wed Aug 17 14:47:46 2022
    If that were the situation, then I hope that you never get sick. Voters in large do not vote based on technical qualifications that they do not understand -- but on personality, charisma, etc. As such they could easily vote a person who gratuated from a community college with a two year degree to be your doctor. Such a person could easily kill you because of lack of medical knowledge.

    I get what you mean, but in other courts, judges are elected. Just not federal magistrate judges. If that were to change, and voters elected them, how bad could it be?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Aug 18 00:13:00 2022
    On 08-17-22 14:47, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-


    If that were the situation, then I hope that you never get sick. Voters in large do not vote based on technical qualifications that they do not understand -- but on personality, charisma, etc. As such they could easily vote a person who gratuated from a community college with a two year degree to be your doctor. Such a person could easily kill you because of lack of medical knowledge.

    I get what you mean, but in other courts, judges are elected. Just not federal magistrate judges. If that were to change, and voters elected them, how bad could it be?

    I believe I have made it quite clear that election of judges does not
    produce the best result. For me, that includes all judges.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tue Aug 23 21:38:15 2022
    On 15 Aug 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

    With that system you get judges who know the law and apply it fairly.
    rrrright... Are you forgetting that Hillary deleted thirty thousand emails and used bleach-bit and destroyed cell phones with hammers.

    Not at all. I do not know all of the facts in that case, only the
    public facing ones.
    Naturally, you would not know because there was no scrutiny on the subject matter to hold her accountable. Proof of this is that there was no committee on this. Such as the committee the events on the Jan 6th which is a complete media circus; as it comes complete with it's very own television producer.. & there No Invasion upon her home.
    One thing seems to be very clear, There is a clear double standard.

    Trump had very highly classified documents.
    "PUSU" - As you like to say what documents?
    to deliver them. He kept them in a storage locker which was not capable of storing such documents safely, and in an area accessible to multiple people who should not have access to such documents. All of this he did with a flagrant disregard for the handling of classified documents.
    What proof is there of these so called classified documents?
    All you seem to be doing here is repeat the same tired "Gotcha" speculations from places MSNBC, CNN and other left-wing lunatic networks.
    when it is NOT known what so called documents were alleged to exist.

    Biden Crime Family - seems untouchable.

    What crime family. It is possible that Hunter Biden has done some questionable things, but nothing has yet been proven. In any case, that has no bearing on the President. It would not be the first time that a President's relatives were a "skeleton in the closet".
    Walking out Ukraine and China with Millions? when your nothing more then a President's son is a bit more then having a skeleton in ones closet.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wed Aug 24 16:29:00 2022
    What proof is there of these so called classified documents?
    All you seem to be doing here is repeat the same tired "Gotcha" speculations from places MSNBC, CNN and other left-wing lunatic networks.
    when it is NOT known what so called documents were alleged to exist.

    Even foxnews.com has reported in the past week that various levels of classified documents were found. Early on anyway, even Trump was not
    denying that, claiming that he was working with Archives to get them turned over. That might be the crux of any potential case... whether or not he
    was cooperating and they raided his home anyway.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 24 23:15:23 2022
    On 24 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    What proof is there of these so called classified documents?
    All you seem to be doing here is repeat the same tired "Gotcha" speculat from places MSNBC, CNN and other left-wing lunatic networks.
    when it is NOT known what so called documents were alleged to exist.
    Even foxnews.com has reported in the past week that various levels of classified documents were found. Early on anyway, even Trump was not denying that, claiming that he was working with Archives to get them turned over. That might be the crux of any potential case... whether or not he was cooperating and they raided his home anyway.

    Thanks for resisting the far-right propaganda.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 24 01:29:00 2022
    On 08-23-22 21:38, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    With that system you get judges who know the law
    and apply it fairly.

    rrrright... Are you forgetting that Hillary deleted thirty thousand
    emails and used bleach-bit and destroyed cell phones with hammers.

    BTW -- your original response was a 90 degree turn from the topic under discussion -- but so what.

    Not at all. I do not know all of the facts in that case, only the
    public facing ones.

    Naturally, you would not know because there was no scrutiny on the
    subject matter to hold her accountable. Proof of this is that there

    There was scrutiny -- but neither you or I were privy to it.

    was no committee on
    this. Such as the committee the events on the Jan 6th which
    is a complete media
    circus; as it comes complete with it's very own television producer..
    & there No Invasion upon her home.

    You are not only comparing apples and oranges, you are comparing a
    raison to an elephant or a blue whale. Jan 6 invasion was several
    orders of magnitude greater severity than the existence of emails on a
    private server.

    Plus there was no invasion of anyone's home in either case.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    One thing seems to be very clear, There is a clear double standard.

    Trump had very highly classified documents.
    "PUSU" - As you like to say what documents?
    to deliver them. He kept them in a storage locker which was not capable of storing such documents safely, and in an area accessible to multiple people who should not have access to such documents. All of this he did with a flagrant disregard for the handling of classified documents.
    What proof is there of these so called classified documents?
    All you seem to be doing here is repeat the same tired "Gotcha" speculations from places MSNBC, CNN and other left-wing lunatic
    networks. when it is NOT known what so called documents were alleged
    to exist.
    Biden Crime Family - seems untouchable.

    What crime family. It is possible that Hunter Biden has done some questionable things, but nothing has yet been proven. In any case, that has no bearing on the President. It would not be the first time that a President's relatives were a "skeleton in the closet".
    Walking out Ukraine and China with Millions? when your nothing more
    then a President's son is a bit more then having a skeleton in ones closet.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sat Aug 27 09:16:08 2022
    On 24 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

    What proof is there of these so called classified documents?
    All you seem to be doing here is repeat the same tired "Gotcha" speculat from places MSNBC, CNN and other left-wing lunatic networks.
    when it is NOT known what so called documents were alleged to exist.

    Even foxnews.com has reported in the past week that various levels of classified documents were found. Early on anyway, even Trump was not denying that, claiming that he was working with Archives to get them turned over. That might be the crux of any potential case... whether or not he was cooperating and they raided his home anyway.

    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fakenews
    media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed for one thing and one thing only, it is to create doubt and speculation, so that the needle of trust can be moved in the negative direction against Trump.
    The Democratic Party and most of the media all share the same bed, but they are not getting much sleep these days. Indeed they are terrified.
    Trump will be triumphant and victorious as he will overcome this, just as he has done with the previous attempts from the sycophants within the liberal trash media. It's time to take out the garbage!

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sat Aug 27 09:31:11 2022
    On 24 Aug 2022, Dale Shipp said the following...

    57
    On 08-23-22 21:38, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    With that system you get judges who know the law
    and apply it fairly.

    rrrright... Are you forgetting that Hillary deleted thirty thousand emails and used bleach-bit and destroyed cell phones with hammers.

    BTW -- your original response was a 90 degree turn from the topic under discussion -- but so what.

    Not at all. I do not know all of the facts in that case, only the public facing ones.

    Naturally, you would not know because there was no scrutiny on the subject matter to hold her accountable. Proof of this is that there

    There was scrutiny -- but neither you or I were privy to it.

    was no committee on
    this. Such as the committee the events on the Jan 6th which
    is a complete media
    circus; as it comes complete with it's very own television producer.. & there No Invasion upon her home.

    You are not only comparing apples and oranges, you are comparing a
    raison to an elephant or a blue whale. Jan 6 invasion was several
    orders of magnitude greater severity than the existence of emails on a private server.

    You just stepped in it... (check the bottom of those shoes) a private server? Was this data ever permitted to be on a private server and was it additionally her personal property to do as she wished? I think not in both cases.
    Apples and Oranges aside, it's time for the harvest.

    "Wipe the Server..? You mean with a cloth or something?" - Hillary Clinton

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Aug 27 10:05:49 2022
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the
    fakenews media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis
    and reporting.

    Fox News is compromised by Soros. They are just the fake "conservative alternative" to the Propaganda Ministry.

    This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed
    for one thing and one thing only, it is to create doubt and
    speculation, so that the needle of trust can be moved in the negative direction against Trump.

    Yup. It's all about optics. It's one of the way you can spot an Elitist: They are concerned about the optics of something, not the reality.

    It's time to take out the garbage!

    And that's why they are terrified. We are taking the garbage out.

    Trump was very close to implementing something that would effectively eliminate the fireproof-ness of many in the Bureaucracy. The Elitists have been staffing the Burueaucracy with their operatives for a long time now. Then when they get power, they have been pushing (unconstitutionally) power over to them. If Trump gets a second term, that whole mess will be dismantled.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sat Aug 27 09:49:00 2022
    Even foxnews.com has reported in the past week that various levels of classified documents were found. Early on anyway, even Trump was not denying that, claiming that he was working with Archives to get them turned over. That might be the crux of any potential case... whether or not he was cooperating and they raided his home anyway.

    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fakenews media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed for one thing and one
    thing only, it is to create doubt and speculation, so that the needle of trust
    can be moved in the negative direction against Trump.
    The Democratic Party and most of the media all share the same bed, but they ar
    not getting much sleep these days. Indeed they are terrified.
    Trump will be triumphant and victorious as he will overcome this, just as he has done with the previous attempts from the sycophants within the liberal trash media. It's time to take out the garbage!

    While I have no doubt there has been some "planned timing" of these recent events, if Trump really has/had possession of classified documents of a class that he should not have taken home with him, then I put that in the same
    bucket with Hillary's private email server. It was something I thought should disqualify her as being President, and the timing of these events don't
    make him any less guilty.

    You would think, after going off about Hillary and her server, he'd have
    more sense than to take such documents with him.

    Now, the problem come Presidential election time is that the other side is
    most likely going to nominate someone who is clearly having some geriatric mental issues or someone who is clearly not even cut out for the job she
    has now. At least, when it came to Hillary, I had a viable choice. I can always chose a third party candidate, I guess.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Sat Aug 27 10:51:19 2022
    On 27 Aug 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed
    for one thing and one thing only, it is to create doubt and speculation, so that the needle of trust can be moved in the negative direction against Trump.
    Yup. It's all about optics. It's one of the way you can spot an
    Elitist: They are concerned about the optics of something, not the reality.

    Is that why you two are so concerned about how it makes Trump look, rather
    than what Trump actually did?

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 28 09:28:57 2022
    On 27 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

    Even foxnews.com has reported in the past week that various levels classified documents were found. Early on anyway, even Trump was n denying that, claiming that he was working with Archives to get the turned over. That might be the crux of any potential case... wheth not he was cooperating and they raided his home anyway.

    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fakenew media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporti This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed for one thing a
    one
    thing only, it is to create doubt and speculation, so that the needle of
    trust
    can be moved in the negative direction against Trump.
    The Democratic Party and most of the media all share the same bed, but t
    ar
    not getting much sleep these days. Indeed they are terrified.
    Trump will be triumphant and victorious as he will overcome this, just a has done with the previous attempts from the sycophants within the liber trash media. It's time to take out the garbage!

    While I have no doubt there has been some "planned timing" of these
    recent events, if Trump really has/had possession of classified
    documents of a class that he should not have taken home with him, then I put that in the same bucket with Hillary's private email server. It was something I thought should disqualify her as being President, and the timing of these events don't make him any less guilty.

    You would think, after going off about Hillary and her server, he'd have more sense than to take such documents with him.

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents that he was alleged to have at Mar-A-Logo. This raid is bigger than these alleged documents. Analysis of the real facts indicates that there are many moving gears and cogs working to drive a false narrative.

    This could be about the ego and the revenge of Merrick Garland.
    Mainly, I do believe the center focus should be on the FBI who I believe is guilty as sin with interfering with the control of information to social
    media calling it "Russian dis-information." However when the layers of lies
    are peeled back the real truth is reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 2019.
    The FBI lied to the American people to protect this shit-stain of a
    President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Aug 28 09:35:18 2022
    On 27 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 27 Aug 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed
    for one thing and one thing only, it is to create doubt and speculation, so that the needle of trust can be moved in the neg direction against Trump.
    Yup. It's all about optics. It's one of the way you can spot an Elitist: They are concerned about the optics of something, not the reality.

    Is that why you two are so concerned about how it makes Trump look,
    rather than what Trump actually did?

    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional liberalism and
    I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my Brothers and Sisters.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Aug 28 08:52:17 2022
    On 28 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Yup. It's all about optics. It's one of the way you can spot a Elitist: They are concerned about the optics of something, not t reality.
    Is that why you two are so concerned about how it makes Trump look, rather than what Trump actually did?
    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional
    liberalism and I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my Brothers and Sisters.

    Good luck with that. Trump has essentially admitted that he broke the law.
    And then he ran his mouth, egging the DOJ on to do things he didn't think
    they would do, but they called his bluff.

    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the Mar-a-Lago search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation. But they did release
    the search warrant, at his request. And it was incriminating.

    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation.
    But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was incriminating.

    Trump demanded that a "Special Master" be appointed to go through the
    siezed documents which the FBI has almost assuredly already gone through, because if the demand were refused he could inject doubt into the situation. But the judge has preliminarily agreed to the appointment of a "Special Master," which will also prove incriminating because then it will be more
    than just the FBI's word against Trump (because none of us can actually see many of the siezed documents).

    But yeah, you go ahead and keep thinking that the 'liberals' are the
    delusional ones.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sun Aug 28 10:05:00 2022
    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents that he was alleged to have at Mar-A-Logo. This raid is bigger than these alleged documents. Analysis of the real facts indicates that there are many moving gears and cogs working to drive a false narrative.

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ claims,
    then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    This could be about the ego and the revenge of Merrick Garland.
    Mainly, I do believe the center focus should be on the FBI who I believe is guilty as sin with interfering with the control of information to social media calling it "Russian dis-information." However when the layers of lies are peeled back the real truth is reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 2019.

    If the truth ever comes out, I think we are going to find that there were
    many parties who were involved in "Russian dis-information" that were not Russians.

    It is also obvious now that the FBI (or someone) was covering the laptop
    story with the blanket of "Russian dis-information." The Democrats pretty
    much believe they can play that card anytime they want now because their
    target audience buys it so easily. At least one of them (HRC) has used it
    to tarnish at least one member of her own party when said member spoke
    unkindly of her campaign and record. That act alone was enough to make me skeptical about any claims of "Russian dis-information" or "collusion."

    So now when there really is "Russian collusion," does it really exist, or
    is it "Democrat dis-information"?


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 28 10:04:05 2022
    On 28 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If the truth ever comes out, I think we are going to find that there were many parties who were involved in "Russian dis-information" that were not Russians.

    Trump's involvement with Russian disinformation campaigns in the US may be disputed, with Trump's Attorney General Barr saying that it does not
    implicate Trump, but with the people who *wrote* the report saying that it clearly implicates Trump in (surprise, surprise!) obstruction of justice.

    However, the existence of those Russian disinformation campaigns during the lead-up to the 2016 election is not disputed by nearly anyone. It's generally agreed that, with or without collusion from Trump or his associates, the Russians did attempt to and succeed in interfering with the 2016 presidential election.

    Are you saying now, in 2022, that there was no Russian interference in the
    2016 election? Are you saying that it was in fact the American government disseminating obviously pro-Trump disinformation?

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Aug 28 14:57:02 2022
    On 08-27-22 09:31, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    You are not only comparing apples and oranges, you are comparing a
    raison to an elephant or a blue whale. Jan 6 invasion was several
    orders of magnitude greater severity than the existence of emails on a private server.

    You just stepped in it... (check the bottom of those shoes) a private server? Was this data ever permitted to be on a private server and was
    it additionally her personal property to do as she wished? I think not
    in both cases. Apples and Oranges aside, it's time for the harvest.

    You completely avoided the comparison. What sort of data did she put on that server? How was it classified? Who had access to the data?

    Compare that to the hundreds of classified documents that Trump had in
    an insecure locker, with classifications from Confidential to Top Secret
    SCI. All of what he had there belonged in the National Archives. He
    lied about the presence of the material to authorities and told them
    that there was no more classified material -- and then the FBI found 15+
    boxes with a lot of classified material. Some of the material found
    could have comprimized assets and cost them their life.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Aug 29 00:13:00 2022
    On 08-28-22 09:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mike Powell about Re: fbi <=-

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents

    He was pretending to cooperate, but in reality was just putting them
    off.

    that he was alleged to have at Mar-A-Logo. This raid is bigger than

    There is nothing alleged about the documents. He had them at Mar a
    Logo. He was not supposed to have them at Mar a Logo.

    these alleged documents. Analysis of the real facts indicates that
    there are many moving gears and cogs working to drive a false
    narrative.

    What real facts might that be? The facts are exactly what you see. He
    had documents. He claimed not to have anymore documents. The FBI
    search warrant turned up a lot of documents that he should not have had
    there.

    This could be about the ego and the revenge of Merrick Garland.
    Mainly, I do believe the center focus should be on the FBI who I
    believe is guilty as sin with interfering with the control of
    information to social media calling it "Russian dis-information."

    When you go into a "but what about" discussion, you are admitting that
    you have no real argument on the topic at hand.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Aug 29 04:31:04 2022
    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fakenews media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed for

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3 of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Aug 29 05:00:42 2022
    Good luck with that. Trump has essentially admitted that he broke the
    law. And then he ran his mouth, egging the DOJ on to do things he didn't think they would do, but they called his bluff.

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a leftist though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why would
    they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered loot.

    I still don't have my lead pipes fixed yet, but we can all be happy now that the Democrats have fixed our global warming problem. Never again shall global warming be an issue, because Democrats just fixed it by running off with all the cash.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 29 07:17:57 2022
    On 29 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Good luck with that. Trump has essentially admitted that he broke the law. And then he ran his mouth, egging the DOJ on to do things he did think they would do, but they called his bluff.
    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a leftist though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why
    would they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they
    can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered loot.

    Only leftists care if Trump broke the law? That's an interesting, and
    telling, bit of fiction. And what is the Mar-a-Lago scandal about, if not squandered loot? Trump took government property that wasn't his to take,
    after all. Nice bit of projection, though.

    I still don't have my lead pipes fixed yet, but we can all be happy now that the Democrats have fixed our global warming problem. Never again shall global warming be an issue, because Democrats just fixed it by running off with all the cash.

    No, they didn't. They made a historic, if tiny, dent in it by actually giving
    a sh!t about the future of our species and planet. And they didn't "run off with" any cash.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 29 07:26:55 2022
    On 29 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fake media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed f
    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3
    of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    At some point, Fox "News" stopped telling you only what you wanted to hear and couldn't ignore the truth any longer. They're still deceptive, incredibly biased, and very conservative -- just not enough for your tastes anymore. Fox News hasn't changed; some of its audience has. Look at you -- you're
    perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.

    "We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the
    meaning of the word confidential or classified." -- Donald Trump

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law." -- Donald Trump

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Aug 29 10:54:00 2022
    On 28 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If the truth ever comes out, I think we are going to find that there were
    many parties who were involved in "Russian dis-information" that were not
    Russians.

    Are you saying now, in 2022, that there was no Russian interference in the 2016 election?

    No.

    Are you saying that it was in fact the American government
    disseminating obviously pro-Trump disinformation?

    Not necessarily the government, but certainly members of one of the two
    major political parties involved in our government.

    I specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton. In the leadup to the 2020
    election, Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard said some things during a
    debate that got her a lot of attention but that also made HRC look bad.
    Soon, there was a rumor that one of the Democratic candidates "with a
    military background" was involved with Russia. No names, but pretty
    obviously Gabbard.

    A couple of years later, Gabbard says something publicly again that makes Clinton and other mainstream Democrats sound bad. Soon after, Hillary resurfaced the rumor again, naming Gabbard specifically.

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was involved
    in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collussion"
    came from parties that are not Russian.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize it is not
    always true? When that happens (as it already has for many of us), when is
    it going to be true, in a way we really do need to worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Aug 29 10:40:00 2022
    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation. But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was incriminating.

    It was also heavily redacted.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Aug 29 10:55:00 2022
    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists!

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed
    Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and
    vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    I would suspect that many of those Independents include people who are skeptical of our established government and that want people who obey the
    law. If I were a betting man, I would bet that they care whether or not
    Trump broke the law, just like I would bet that several want to know if he
    was really cooperating or not, and also want to know what the government
    really has on him.

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are
    going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 29 10:24:39 2022
    On 29 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Are you saying that it was in fact the American government
    disseminating obviously pro-Trump disinformation?
    Not necessarily the government, but certainly members of one of the two major political parties involved in our government.

    I see.

    I specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton. In the leadup to the 2020 election, Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard said some things during a debate that got her a lot of attention but that also made HRC look bad. Soon, there was a rumor that one of the Democratic candidates "with a military background" was involved with Russia. No names, but pretty obviously Gabbard.

    Clinton said that Russia was "grooming" Gabbard for a third-party run, specifically mentioning not collusion but the same kind of foreign social
    media support that Trump received in 2016. Gabbard had notably split with her party over policy on Russia, taking several pro-Putin stances.

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was
    involved in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.

    The laptop itself is not Russian misinformation; it exists. The rumors of
    what it contains, though... that is speculation that the Russians tried to exploit.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collussion" came from parties that are not Russian.

    The disinformation itself? It sounds more like you're saying that the accusations of disinformation/collusion came from parties that are not
    Russian, not the disinformation itself.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize
    it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    The Russians are constantly trying to meddle in our politics, just as we
    meddle in the politics of other nations. Assuming they aren't is never a good idea.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 29 10:25:19 2022
    On 29 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situatio But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was incrimina
    It was also heavily redacted.

    It was, for national security reasons, but there was enough information left
    to convey the gist of it.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon Aug 29 22:25:49 2022
    Hello Dale,

    You are not only comparing apples and oranges, you are comparing a
    raison to an elephant or a blue whale. Jan 6 invasion was several
    orders of magnitude greater severity than the existence of emails on a
    private server.

    You just stepped in it... (check the bottom of those shoes) a private
    server? Was this data ever permitted to be on a private server and was
    it additionally her personal property to do as she wished? I think not
    in both cases. Apples and Oranges aside, it's time for the harvest.

    You completely avoided the comparison. What sort of data did she put on that server? How was it classified? Who had access to the data?

    James Comey knows. And Hillary Clinton admitted it was a case of
    poor judgement on her part. As a result, she was forgiven.

    Compare that to the hundreds of classified documents that Trump had in
    an insecure locker, with classifications from Confidential to Top Secret SCI. All of what he had there belonged in the National Archives. He
    lied about the presence of the material to authorities and told them
    that there was no more classified material -- and then the FBI found 15+ boxes with a lot of classified material. Some of the material found
    could have comprimized assets and cost them their life.

    What crime was she charged with? I seem to have fotgotten.
    And what about Hunter Biden? What crime was he charged with?
    I sure hope I am not coming up with early onset of dementia ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Aug 29 19:01:47 2022
    On 29 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    800
    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fake media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed f

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3
    of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues being off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye to eye.
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is this?
    "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as well as
    |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Mon Aug 29 19:52:27 2022
    On 29 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive
    reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is
    this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as
    well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

    Fox News' reporting on election night was not deceptive. They reported that Biden won Arizona, and Biden did in fact win Arizona.

    You seem to have a fundamental issue with determining cause and effect. Biden did not win Arizona because Fox News reported that he did; Fox News reported that he won Arizona because the chances of him not winning it became
    extremely small, small enough for them to confidently call it. Correctly.

    That the reporting did not match your expected outcome in Arizona was not deceptive reporting. It was a result of your expected outcome being wrong. Reporting that tells you something different from what you want to hear is
    not deceptive. It's only deceptive if it's leading you to believe something
    is true that isn't.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 30 09:43:55 2022
    Hello Mike,

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists!

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by over 3 million votes in 2016.
    Joe Biden beat Donald Trump by over 7 million votes in 2020.
    Joe Biden would beat Donald Trump by twice that many votes in 2024.

    Best thing Donald Trump can do for himself is retire from politics.

    I would suspect that many of those Independents include people who are skeptical of our established government and that want people who obey the law.

    A legal and lawful search of Trump's home revealed the former
    president to have broken many laws. His upcoming trials will show
    beyond a reasonable doubt he belongs in prison.

    If I were a betting man, I would bet that they care whether or not
    Trump broke the law,

    The case(s) against Trump grows stronger as time goes on ...

    just like I would bet that several want to know if he was really cooperating
    or not, and also want to know what the government really has on him.

    Not to worry. His goose is cooked. Only a matter of time until
    he is given his orange wardrobe.

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.

    President Joe Biden will not grant Donald Trump a pardon.
    Although some would like him to do that, as doing so would
    guarantee him an easy win for a second consecutive term
    in 2024.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 30 09:43:41 2022
    Hello Mike,

    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search
    warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation.
    But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was
    incriminating.

    It was also heavily redacted.

    Big surprise.

    Now go pout some more, crybaby.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 30 08:31:52 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize
    it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many
    of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to
    worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    I think that most people (well, the ones who can think, anyway) have already tuned out the Democrat Russia hoaxes. It's only the "vote blue no matter who" crowd that still listens to this BS.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 30 08:31:52 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation. But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was
    incriminating.

    It was also heavily redacted.

    To the point where it was pretty much useless. But Jeff (like all the Ignorant Elitists) projects and he's projecting his Narrative into a useless document.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 30 08:31:52 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties
    and vote for him.

    But that's what did happen in 2020.

    Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    He lost because of the extreme voter fraud. There's enough evidence that it's pretty clear that's what happened.

    We could prove that with an audit. But the Dems in many states illegally had that information deleted - as what happened here in Michigan.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Ron L. on Tue Aug 30 11:18:00 2022
    Ron L. wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Trump was very close to implementing something that would effectively eliminate the fireproof-ness of many in the Bureaucracy. The Elitists have been staffing the Burueaucracy with their operatives for a long
    time now. Then when they get power, they have been pushing (unconstitutionally) power over to them. If Trump gets a second term, that whole mess will be dismantled.

    ...

    What color is the sky in your world?



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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 30 11:22:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    However when the layers of lies are peeled back the real truth is
    reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning
    these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 2019. The FBI lied to the American people to protect this shit-stain of a President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

    How in the world did you not mention President Obama and the Clintons in
    your conspiracy theorist rant there? And maybe the military releasing UFO information? And the new world order? You missed so many chances there!



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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 30 11:32:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Is that why you two are so concerned about how it makes Trump look,
    rather than what Trump actually did?

    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional
    liberalism and I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my
    Brothers and Sisters.

    I totally and completely believe you are immune to "delusional liberalism", your personal delusions are so all-encompassing that your mind has no space
    to process other delusions.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Aug 30 03:05:54 2022
    Only leftists care if Trump broke the law? That's an interesting, and telling, bit of fiction. And what is the Mar-a-Lago scandal about, if not squandered loot? Trump took government property that wasn't his to take, after all. Nice bit of projection, though.

    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundreds of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Aug 30 03:18:57 2022
    At some point, Fox "News" stopped telling you only what you wanted to
    hear and couldn't ignore the truth any longer. They're still deceptive,

    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nobody would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution of Fox News all this time.

    incredibly biased, and very conservative -- just not enough for your tastes anymore. Fox News hasn't changed; some of its audience has. Look

    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has it changed?

    at you -- you're perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.

    I don't care what ex presidents do. This is meant as a distraction from all
    the terrible stuff that Democrats (who are still in office) are doing.

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our
    government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws
    concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be
    above the law." -- Donald Trump

    Aren't you glad that he didn't fulfill that promise? Hillary would be in jail.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Aug 30 03:35:35 2022
    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists!

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    I don't know anyone like that (Independents and/or liberals who voted for Trump) but I understand what you're saying, and surely they exist.

    But now you think they have buyer's remorse? Why would they care so much that they voted for a document-thief? There's nothing they can do to reverse the damage. Maybe they'll start voting Democrat again? (But then they'll have other stuff turn up missing!)

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.

    But that's only if we want him back again, right?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Aug 30 16:07:57 2022
    On 30 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Only leftists care if Trump broke the law? That's an interesting, and telling, bit of fiction. And what is the Mar-a-Lago scandal about, if squandered loot? Trump took government property that wasn't his to ta after all. Nice bit of projection, though.
    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundreds
    of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

    The money is not being wasted. Trump broke the law.

    Are you certain that you aren't being "programmed" to think about Biden's legislative successes instead of Trump's crimes?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Aug 30 16:17:00 2022
    On 30 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    At some point, Fox "News" stopped telling you only what you wanted to hear and couldn't ignore the truth any longer. They're still deceptiv
    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nobody
    would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution of Fox News all this time.

    Because you called them "deceptive" for reporting that Biden won Arizona.
    Biden did win Arizona, that's obviously not what you wanted to hear, and you decided they must be deceptive. It's not too hard to figure out.

    Also, you used to defend Fox News, but don't so much anymore.

    incredibly biased, and very conservative -- just not enough for your tastes anymore. Fox News hasn't changed; some of its audience has. Lo
    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has it
    changed?

    Some of Fox News' audience became more radically right-wing during Trump's presidency. There were always a far-right, of course, but Trump bringing them into the fold moved the GOP more toward the far-right. Fox News did not make that move.

    at you -- you're perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.
    I don't care what ex presidents do. This is meant as a distraction from all the terrible stuff that Democrats (who are still in office) are
    doing.

    No one is above the law. Trump said so himself.

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law." -- Donald Trump
    Aren't you glad that he didn't fulfill that promise? Hillary would be in jail.

    Hillary was investigated and found not to have done anything prosecutable. Trump is still being investigated. There are a number of important
    differences in their situations, chief among them whether they sought to obstruct justice by misleading investigators.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Aug 30 16:27:46 2022
    On 30 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    But now you think they have buyer's remorse? Why would they care so much that they voted for a document-thief? There's nothing they can do to reverse the damage. Maybe they'll start voting Democrat again? (But then they'll have other stuff turn up missing!)

    There is plenty that can be done to prevent further damage, and many of the documents have been recovered. Also, Trump needs to serve as an example to future presidents that they are not above the law.

    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they can do to reverse the damage?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Tue Aug 30 20:43:37 2022
    eye. You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is
    this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as
    well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

    Fox News is as useless as the rest of the media, but Peter Doocy has been asking excellent questions at the WH press briefings.

    It's creepy when someone (Fox) who you thought you could trust is suddenly trying to help the left. They do it more subtly usually.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Aug 30 22:53:30 2022
    On 29 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 29 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

    Fox News' reporting on election night was not deceptive. They reported that Biden won Arizona, and Biden did in fact win Arizona.

    You seem to have a fundamental issue with determining cause and effect. Biden did not win Arizona because Fox News reported that he did; Fox
    News reported that he won Arizona because the chances of him not winning it became extremely small, small enough for them to confidently call it. Correctly.

    That the reporting did not match your expected outcome in Arizona was not deceptive reporting. It was a result of your expected outcome being
    wrong. Reporting that tells you something different from what you want
    to hear is not deceptive. It's only deceptive if it's leading you to believe something is true that isn't.

    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you happy with the outcome of the Presidential election?

    I indicated very early on that the Biden Presidency would be train wreck.
    It's fine if we still see things very differently.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Rebecca Marie on Tue Aug 30 23:06:37 2022
    On 30 Aug 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    However when the layers of lies are peeled back the real truth is reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 201 The FBI lied to the American people to protect this shit-stain of a President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

    How in the world did you not mention President Obama and the Clintons in your conspiracy theorist rant there? And maybe the military releasing UFO information? And the new world order? You missed so many chances there!

    What I mentioned is not conspiracy theory - at all, it so happens to be the truth.
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't have any means protect yourselves.
    Where I and my Conservative Brothers and Sisters are armed to the teeth.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 31 08:31:14 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    at you -- you're perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law
    without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.

    I don't care what ex presidents do.

    So, whatever Jimmy Carter did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    Ronald Reagan is dead. So he doesn't count.

    George H.W. Bush is dead. So he doesn't count.

    And whatever Bill Clinton did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    And whatever George W. Bush did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    And whatever Barack Obama did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    And whatever Donald Trump did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    After all, presidets are above the law. What they do while
    in office, or since they leave office, should be of no concern
    to anybody. That is what you believe.

    This is meant as a distraction from all the terrible stuff that Democrats (who are still in office) are doing.

    Now you are saying a president is above the law, but only if
    he is a Republican? And that this should not be a concern to you,
    or to anybody else? My, my, you are deluded. Truly deluded ...

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our
    government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws
    concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be
    above the law." -- Donald Trump

    Aren't you glad that he didn't fulfill that promise? Hillary would be in jail.

    On what charges? To date, she has been charged with how many crimes?
    Name them. If you can. And while you are at it, tell me about all the
    charges against Hunter Biden. Oh, that's right. Can't find any having
    been filed against him, either. No surprise there. But keep trying.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Aug 31 08:31:22 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    There is plenty that can be done to prevent further damage, and many of the
    documents have been recovered. Also, Trump needs to serve as an example to future presidents that they are not above the law.

    We have never sent a president, or former president, to prison.
    We have never even charged a president, or former president, with
    a crime of any kind. So why should we start now? As Trump said
    during his campaign for president in 2020, he could shoot someone
    on Fifth Avenue in New York City and get away it. Do you think he
    was lying?

    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they can do to reverse the damage?"

    How is that a reason, or even an excuse, to murdering them in our
    name by execution (regardless of means)? Revenge is not justice.
    Just an excuse, and a sorry one at that, to see someone dead.

    Today we no longer bother with state of federal executions.
    Whenever there is a mass shooting, whether at a school or a
    shopping mall, the alleged shooter is never taken alive.
    All the victims are dead, aside from perhaps a small handful
    of survivors who never dispute what happened. And the alleged
    shooter being dead as a doornail, either by his/her own hand
    or those sent to carry out the execution.

    There are some rare exceptions to this. But those folks are always
    found to be mental cases and are sent to places where they can be
    given the help for their condition they so desperately need.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 31 08:40:18 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundreds
    of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

    Yup. Standard Elitist tactic: misdirection.
    Get people to focus on a meaningless topic so they will ignore the meaningful ones.

    In this case, they want people to forget how badly the Ignorant Elite screwed people over during the scamdemic, how prices keep going up, etc.

    It will work, but only for the Ignorant Elite. But those people can't think for themselves anyway.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Aug 31 08:40:18 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Fox News is as useless as the rest of the media, but Peter Doocy has
    been asking excellent questions at the WH press briefings.

    I love seeing that moron "press secretary" stumble trying to answer Doocy's simple questions.

    It's creepy when someone (Fox) who you thought you could trust is
    suddenly trying to help the left. They do it more subtly usually.

    The Media, in general, have been doing it subtly for a while now. But it got progressively more overt when Trump got into office. The problem today is that no one listens to the Media and completely trusts what they say. So the subtleness is decreasing as they try harder, not realizing that it's only exposing their bias more and more.

    Fox news "jumped the shark" when Gingrich was being interviewed and he brought up Soros and then was told not to do that. At that point, I just stopped watching anything from Fox. They had been compromised.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 31 07:12:08 2022
    On 30 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingrah well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"
    Fox News' reporting on election night was not deceptive. They reporte that Biden won Arizona, and Biden did in fact win Arizona.
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you happy
    with the outcome of the Presidential election?

    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on
    election night was deceptive or not.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 31 07:14:11 2022
    On 30 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't have any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Aug 31 07:19:15 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they c to reverse the damage?"
    How is that a reason, or even an excuse, to murdering them in our
    name by execution (regardless of means)? Revenge is not justice.
    Just an excuse, and a sorry one at that, to see someone dead.

    I did not mention the death penalty, with which I also disagree. Death is not the only possible punishment for murder.

    Today we no longer bother with state of federal executions.
    Whenever there is a mass shooting, whether at a school or a
    shopping mall, the alleged shooter is never taken alive.
    All the victims are dead, aside from perhaps a small handful
    of survivors who never dispute what happened. And the alleged
    shooter being dead as a doornail, either by his/her own hand
    or those sent to carry out the execution.

    Hmm. Recent events would seem to disprove this. A number of mass shooters
    have been taken alive.

    There are some rare exceptions to this. But those folks are always
    found to be mental cases and are sent to places where they can be
    given the help for their condition they so desperately need.

    There are quite a few exceptions, with many being sentenced to prison or
    death.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Aug 31 09:40:31 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you happy with the outcome of the Presidential election?

    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?
    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everything that this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally normal.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Aug 31 09:42:26 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 30 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't ha any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.
    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understand.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Aug 31 16:54:00 2022
    I specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton. In the leadup to the 2020 election, Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard said some things during a debate that got her a lot of attention but that also made HRC look bad. Soon, there was a rumor that one of the Democratic candidates "with a military background" was involved with Russia. No names, but pretty obviously Gabbard.

    Clinton said that Russia was "grooming" Gabbard for a third-party run, specifically mentioning not collusion but the same kind of foreign social media support that Trump received in 2016. Gabbard had notably split with her party over policy on Russia, taking several pro-Putin stances.

    HRC went farther than that with her second (or more?) go at Gabbard.
    Gabbard had publicly split from the HRC wing of the party on many things
    that put her at odds with HRC.

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was involved in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.

    The laptop itself is not Russian misinformation; it exists. The rumors of what it contains, though... that is speculation that the Russians tried to exploit.

    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian
    misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in both
    cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collussion" came from parties that are not Russian.

    The disinformation itself? It sounds more like you're saying that the accusations of disinformation/collusion came from parties that are not Russian, not the disinformation itself.

    If the accusations are themselves disinformation, and the accusations are
    of "Russian disinformation," then the "Russian disinformation" came from parties that are not Russian.

    Maybe I should call it "'Russian disinformation' disinformation," but, either way, it is still disinformation.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    The Russians are constantly trying to meddle in our politics, just as we meddle in the politics of other nations. Assuming they aren't is never a good idea.

    I would agree, but assuming that every call if it is true is also horrible.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Wed Aug 31 17:02:00 2022
    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many
    of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to
    worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    I think that most people (well, the ones who can think, anyway) have already tuned out the Democrat Russia hoaxes. It's only the "vote blue no matter who"
    crowd that still listens to this BS.

    I would agree we are likely close to that point already.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Aug 31 17:06:00 2022
    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and
    vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    I don't know anyone like that (Independents and/or liberals who voted for Trump) but I understand what you're saying, and surely they exist.

    But now you think they have buyer's remorse? Why would they care so much that they voted for a document-thief? There's nothing they can do to reverse the damage. Maybe they'll start voting Democrat again? (But then they'll have othe
    stuff turn up missing!)

    If they voted for him in 2016 and did not in 2020, they already had their buyer's remorse on another issue. Breaking the law could be what cancels
    out their 2020 Biden buyer's remorse and leads them to vote "D" again.

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.

    But that's only if we want him back again, right?

    Yes, only if they have convinced themselves that Biden and Harris are not
    the way.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wed Aug 31 17:12:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional
    liberalism and I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my
    Brothers and Sisters.

    I don't have any brothers, but my sisters are very much "city girls" and
    are very much not immune to (classic) liberalism and today's outright
    leftism. Then again, one of them (who lives in Louisville) had no idea who Briana Taylor was or that there were protests/riots in the downtown of her
    city in 2020. I have not asked, but she probably has no idea who George
    Floyd was, either.

    But she does know that Trump is a bad orange man. Her older sisters tell
    her that much anyway.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Aug 31 17:19:00 2022
    Hillary was investigated and found not to have done anything prosecutable.

    Because the evidence was destroyed.

    Trump is still being investigated. There are a number of important differences in their situations, chief among them whether they sought to obstruct justice by misleading investigators.

    ... and whether or not they destroyed the evidence of their justice obstruction.

    HRC 1, Trump 0


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Aug 31 19:38:00 2022
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't have any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.

    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 31 19:51:02 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you h with the outcome of the Presidential election?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?

    Enough to know that Fox News' reporting on election night 2020 wasn't deceptive, that's for sure.

    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everything that this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally normal.

    Ok, whatever that means. What is "normal?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wed Aug 31 19:52:56 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understand.

    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 31 19:58:21 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Clinton said that Russia was "grooming" Gabbard for a third-party run, specifically mentioning not collusion but the same kind of foreign socia media support that Trump received in 2016. Gabbard had notably split wit party over policy on Russia, taking several pro-Putin stances.
    HRC went farther than that with her second (or more?) go at Gabbard. Gabbard had publicly split from the HRC wing of the party on many things that put her at odds with HRC.

    What exactly did HRC say?

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was involved in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.
    The laptop itself is not Russian misinformation; it exists. The rumors o what it contains, though... that is speculation that the Russians tried exploit.
    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in both cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.

    There is a laptop, that is certain. Whether it belonged to Hunter Biden some years ago and contains incriminating information of some vague nature is speculation.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collus came from parties that are not Russian.
    The disinformation itself? It sounds more like you're saying that the accusations of disinformation/collusion came from parties that are not Russian, not the disinformation itself.
    If the accusations are themselves disinformation, and the accusations are of "Russian disinformation," then the "Russian disinformation" came from parties that are not Russian.

    The accusations of "Russian disinformation" are not "Russian disinformation" unless they came from the Russians.

    Maybe I should call it "'Russian disinformation' disinformation," but, either way, it is still disinformation.

    Or is it? Russians have been, and still are, busy spreading disinformation
    via social media.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people rea it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for ma us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to wor about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to i
    The Russians are constantly trying to meddle in our politics, just as we meddle in the politics of other nations. Assuming they aren't is never a idea.
    I would agree, but assuming that every call if it is true is also horrible.

    Facebook had data on Russian disinformation during the leadup to the 2016 election, and said that the posts regarding Hunter Biden's laptop were very similar. I'd think they would know.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 31 20:09:27 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Hillary was investigated and found not to have done anything prosecutabl
    Because the evidence was destroyed.

    The purge was not done to destroy evidence. Evidence of HRC keeping
    government correspondence on a private email server was abundant. Otherwise, how do you know that anything happened?

    Trump is still being investigated. There are a number of important differences in their situations, chief among them whether they sought to obstruct justice by misleading investigators.
    ... and whether or not they destroyed the evidence of their justice obstruction.

    The purge was not done to destroy evidence.

    HRC 1, Trump 0

    Jared and Ivanka also used private email servers for government
    correspondence, until they were told to stop. Which they apparently did, and neither of them suffered any consequences.

    What Trump did, and is doing, is on a whole other level.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 31 20:10:38 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Me like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    He also capitalized "Men."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Aug 31 20:17:28 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Me like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    Also, he seems to assume that liberals are unarmed and helpless in order to make himself feel more Manly-Man. That's not misogynistic, but somewhere between ignorant and stupid.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 1 06:25:06 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they
    c
    to reverse the damage?"

    How is that a reason, or even an excuse, to murdering them in our
    name by execution (regardless of means)? Revenge is not justice.
    Just an excuse, and a sorry one at that, to see someone dead.

    I did not mention the death penalty, with which I also disagree. Death is not the only possible punishment for murder.

    Society has a legitimate right to defend itself from those who would
    do harm. But since we have the means, and the facilities, to keep those
    persons who are dangerous to us locked up indefinitely, there is no
    need for any further action to be taken.

    Today we no longer bother with state of federal executions.
    Whenever there is a mass shooting, whether at a school or a
    shopping mall, the alleged shooter is never taken alive.
    All the victims are dead, aside from perhaps a small handful
    of survivors who never dispute what happened. And the alleged
    shooter being dead as a doornail, either by his/her own hand
    or those sent to carry out the execution.

    Hmm. Recent events would seem to disprove this.

    There are some exceptions to the rule. But most want to go out
    in a blaze of glory. Or for whatever other reason of their own.

    A number of mass shooters have been taken alive.

    Timothy McVeigh almost got away with what he did. If not for one
    bystander who recognized him as he was leaving town, he would have
    been free as a bird.

    But McVeigh's weapon of choice was a U-Haul-it loaded with fertizer
    rather than an AR-15. Much easier to blow things up rather than to take
    out folks one by one.

    There are some rare exceptions to this. But those folks are always
    found to be mental cases and are sent to places where they can be
    given the help for their condition they so desperately need.

    There are quite a few exceptions, with many being sentenced to prison or death.

    Almost all are already dead. And those who survive, other than
    John Hinkley, are executed by the state. Even if they are a total
    nutcase.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 1 06:25:14 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking GD>to Men
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends GD>don't have any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.

    My favorite Martian. Still with us after all these years ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Sep 1 08:05:46 2022
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    And out comes the misogyny.

    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understand.

    "One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason."
    -- Thomas Sowell


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ron L. on Thu Sep 1 16:42:08 2022
    They can vent their emotions, question
    other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason.

    And you and your MAGA crowd, of course, would never condescend to such actions?


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    ..

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 1 16:39:14 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.
    There is a laptop, that is certain. Whether it belonged to Hunter Biden years ago and contains incriminating information of some vague nature is speculation.
    Its existence, i.e. that there was a laptop, was originally portrayed in the media as "misinformation."

    No, it wasn't. That the laptop in question was Hunter Biden's was.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 1 16:49:08 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He also capitalized "Men."
    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where I would not so I don't read much into that.

    I take it as an emphasis. A weird one, but an emphasis.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 1 16:50:31 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Also, he seems to assume that liberals are unarmed and helpless in order make himself feel more Manly-Man. That's not misogynistic, but somewhere between ignorant and stupid.
    I don't know why he assumed it, but it is certainly not a 100% fool-proof assumption.

    Nope. But then again, he did get rather upset about purple mannequins wearing BLM shirts, so...

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 1 16:46:00 2022
    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in both cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.

    There is a laptop, that is certain. Whether it belonged to Hunter Biden some years ago and contains incriminating information of some vague nature is speculation.

    Its existence, i.e. that there was a laptop, was originally portrayed in
    the media as "misinformation."


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 1 17:00:00 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to M
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't
    any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    He also capitalized "Men."

    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where I would
    not so I don't read much into that.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 1 17:03:00 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to M
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't
    any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    Also, he seems to assume that liberals are unarmed and helpless in order to make himself feel more Manly-Man. That's not misogynistic, but somewhere between ignorant and stupid.

    I don't know why he assumed it, but it is certainly not a 100% fool-proof assumption.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 1 20:59:57 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are with the outcome of the Presidential election?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporti election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?

    Enough to know that Fox News' reporting on election night 2020 wasn't deceptive, that's for sure.

    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everything th this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally norm

    Ok, whatever that means. What is "normal?"

    Oh c'mon man, even I know you better then that.
    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has ever
    stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse or that pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not walking into the U.S.
    when there is video evidence to state otherwise. "Here's the deal" there is
    no way defending that. It's absurd and completely out of touch, specially
    when there is video evidence for foreign nationals walking into the U.S. like they own the place.
    Greg

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 1 21:13:26 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looki like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friend any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understan

    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.
    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are just as irrelevant.
    You opinion is the least of my concerns.
    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or find any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern Border between the U.S. and Mexico or any of many accomplishments of the Trump Administration of which I have posted here previously.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Sep 1 22:16:55 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and with the outcome of the Presidential election?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' re election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?
    Enough to know that Fox News' reporting on election night 2020 wasn't deceptive, that's for sure.
    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everythi this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally
    Ok, whatever that means. What is "normal?"
    Oh c'mon man, even I know you better then that.
    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has ever stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse or that pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not walking
    into the U.S. when there is video evidence to state otherwise.

    Refugees seeking asylum are walking into the U.S. Refugees seeking asylum are not "illegals." And this has nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting
    on election night were deceptive or not. You are frantically trying to change the subject.

    It's absurd and completely out
    of touch, specially when there is video evidence for foreign nationals walking into the U.S. like they own the place.

    Is there, then? Would this have also been the case under Trump?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Sep 1 22:22:36 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.
    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are
    just as irrelevant.

    Whatever, man. Your statement was misogynistic.

    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or find any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern Border between the U.S. and Mexico or any of many accomplishments of the Trump Administration of which I have posted here previously.

    America is a melting pot, open to all who are suffering. "Americe First" is a blasphemy.

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 1 19:11:00 2022
    Mike Powell said to Gregory Deyss: <=-

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents
    that he

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ claims, then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up
    for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 1 19:15:00 2022
    Aaron Thomas said to Jeff Thiele: <=-

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a leftist though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why
    would they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they
    can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered loot.

    You really should read your posts before sending them, that might help you realize just how non-sensical the things that you write are.

    Or wait.... Was your post satire?

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 1 19:22:00 2022
    Mike Powell said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties
    and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    Trump's biggest voting bloc in 2016 were people who did not trust Hillary Clinton. When someone says the same thing over and over for 30 years, it eventually becomes part of the public consciousness. Leaders of the
    Republican party had been saying for decades that Hillary could not be
    trusted.

    Voters were already biased to see Hillary as untrustworthy. Once her emails came to light, feeding right into the narrative that Hillary was crooked,
    the election was basically finished.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Ron L. on Thu Sep 1 19:24:00 2022
    Ron L. said to Mike Powell: <=-

    I think that most people (well, the ones who can think, anyway) have already tuned out the Democrat Russia hoaxes. It's only the "vote blue
    no matter who" crowd that still listens to this BS.

    Well, you can think about theoretical non-Democrats who think the same
    thing you do. Just like I can think that it's finally my time and I'm
    winning the lottery this weekend.

    Both are just about as TRUE.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 1 19:35:00 2022
    Aaron Thomas said to Gregory Deyss: <=-

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3
    of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are still
    one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side of
    OAN. The problem is that there are some lies that even Fox won't get
    behind, but you've bought into the lies hook, line and sinker. Rather than accept that the narrative might not be completely true, you'll turn on the people and organizations that challenges those.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Thu Sep 1 19:39:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues being
    off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they
    say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye to

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same
    person.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Fri Sep 2 15:20:00 2022
    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents
    that he

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ claims, then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up
    for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    If that is what comes out, then he was not cooperating, right?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Fri Sep 2 15:37:00 2022
    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties
    and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    Trump's biggest voting bloc in 2016 were people who did not trust Hillary Clinton. When someone says the same thing over and over for 30 years, it eventually becomes part of the public consciousness. Leaders of the Republican party had been saying for decades that Hillary could not be trusted.

    In my case, it has nothing to do with what others said. It would be the
    things that Hillary said, did, and took credit for during those 30 years
    that let me know she cannot be trusted.

    If you paid attention to other Democrats during the 2008 and 2016
    primaries, you would know that it is not only Republican party leaders that called her trustworthiness into question.

    Voters were already biased to see Hillary as untrustworthy. Once her emails came to light, feeding right into the narrative that Hillary was crooked,
    the election was basically finished.

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not trustworthy.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Sep 2 15:38:00 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He also capitalized "Men."
    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where I would not so I don't read much into that.

    I take it as an emphasis. A weird one, but an emphasis.

    So you noticed he emphasized "Men" but not "Sisters." Interesting.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Fri Sep 2 15:47:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues being off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye to

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same
    person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and
    they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as
    "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 2 15:37:50 2022
    On 02 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He also capitalized "Men."
    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where would not so I don't read much into that.
    I take it as an emphasis. A weird one, but an emphasis.
    So you noticed he emphasized "Men" but not "Sisters." Interesting.

    He said she needed "Men" like him to protect her. "Brothers and Sisters" came later. Perhaps the "Sisters" don't need "Men" like him to protect them, in
    his twisted worldview.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Fri Sep 2 23:43:49 2022
    Hello Rebecca,

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents
    that he

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ
    claims,
    then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    Nah, he was just showing them off to his best buds, Vladimir Putin
    and Little Rocket Man.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Fri Sep 2 23:43:55 2022
    Hello Rebecca,

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a
    leftist
    though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why
    would they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they
    can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered
    loot.

    You really should read your posts before sending them, that might help you realize just how non-sensical the things that you write are.

    Or wait.... Was your post satire?

    Trump did say he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in Manhattan
    and get away with it ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Fri Sep 2 23:44:01 2022
    Hello Rebecca,

    [..]

    Voters were already biased to see Hillary as untrustworthy. Once her emails
    came to light, feeding right into the narrative that Hillary was crooked, the election was basically finished.

    The 2016 election was decided by a few thousand votes, in a small
    handful of states, tilting the electoral college in Trump's favor.

    The 2020 election was no contest, with Joe Biden winning hands down
    in both the popular vote and electoral college.

    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Goes to show you how (un)popular Donald Trump is.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Rebecca Marie on Fri Sep 2 17:11:36 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...
    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues bein off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye t
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.

    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.

    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted English and capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal opinion is
    that he's trying to imitate the highfalutin' blather of his hero, Rush Limbaugh, but is failing on the finer points.

    Aaron's posts are more sane-sounding, but just as delusional. He alternates between caring for the fate of "his" country and only being concerned about what he sees in his own neighborhood, depending on how cornered he is. He has
    a low grasp of number theory, probability theory, and statistics, which leads him to inherently distrust anything with a number in it as well as use
    numbers in ways that are unconventional, to put it mildly. He also has difficulty with set theory.

    Jeff.

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  • From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Sep 2 17:30:09 2022
    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    ... How do I set my laser printer to stun?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to MATT MUNSON on Fri Sep 2 17:39:34 2022
    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    The large print giveth.. and the small print taketh away.. ;)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to MATT MUNSON on Fri Sep 2 21:07:54 2022
    On 02 Sep 2022, MATT MUNSON said the following...
    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    And Trump lost them both.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Aug 31 01:55:41 2022
    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundre of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

    The money is not being wasted. Trump broke the law.

    Those are the 2 most important narratives for the leftists. Nevermind anything else.

    Are you certain that you aren't being "programmed" to think about Biden's legislative successes instead of Trump's crimes?

    A president's success would benefit the American people, so Biden don't have any of those yet.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Aug 31 02:13:43 2022
    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nobody would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution of Fo News all this time.

    Because you called them "deceptive" for reporting that Biden won Arizona. Biden did win Arizona, that's obviously not what you wanted to hear, and you decided they must be deceptive. It's not too hard to figure out.

    You have too much confidence in yourself. I hardly care what Fox says about
    the elections, because they've been full of it all along. Their "polls" are fake (or faulty.) They've been trying to control conservatives but they suck
    at it; it's some kind of lousy Fauci experiment and the conservative viewers are the beagle pups.

    Also, you used to defend Fox News, but don't so much anymore.

    I'll always defend Mark Levin & Dan Bongino but the rest of those people are undercover leftists.

    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has it changed?

    Some of Fox News' audience became more radically right-wing during
    Trump's presidency. There were always a far-right, of course, but Trump bringing them into the fold moved the GOP more toward the far-right. Fox News did not make that move.

    Thanks for the BS explanation! (I knew I was asking for BS.)

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 2 23:05:35 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting h of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming th think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"
    The money is not being wasted. Trump broke the law.
    Those are the 2 most important narratives for the leftists. Nevermind anything else.

    Congress has the right to collect and spend taxes to benefit the welfare of
    the people of the United States, and Trump broke the law. The fact that both
    of these benefit Democrats is not a leftist "narrative;" it is the truth.

    Are you certain that you aren't being "programmed" to think about Bid legislative successes instead of Trump's crimes?
    A president's success would benefit the American people, so Biden don't have any of those yet.

    Biden's legislative successes do benefit the American people, if not Aaron Thomas.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 2 23:12:08 2022
    On 31 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nob would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution News all this time.
    Because you called them "deceptive" for reporting that Biden won Ariz Biden did win Arizona, that's obviously not what you wanted to hear, you decided they must be deceptive. It's not too hard to figure out.
    You have too much confidence in yourself. I hardly care what Fox says about the elections, because they've been full of it all along. Their "polls" are fake (or faulty.) They've been trying to control
    conservatives but they suck at it; it's some kind of lousy Fauci experiment and the conservative viewers are the beagle pups.

    True on all counts, except that you used to buy into it until they refused to go far enough to the right for your liking.

    Also, you used to defend Fox News, but don't so much anymore.
    I'll always defend Mark Levin & Dan Bongino but the rest of those people are undercover leftists.

    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox News,
    and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist" from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they are.

    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has i changed?
    Some of Fox News' audience became more radically right-wing during Trump's presidency. There were always a far-right, of course, but Tru bringing them into the fold moved the GOP more toward the far-right. News did not make that move.
    Thanks for the BS explanation! (I knew I was asking for BS.)

    It's not BS; it's the truth. Leftism/rightism is a spectrum.

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Sep 2 22:58:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss said to Rebecca Marie: <=-

    How in the world did you not mention President Obama and the Clintons in your conspiracy theorist rant there? And maybe the military releasing UFO information? And the new world order? You missed so many chances there!

    What I mentioned is not conspiracy theory - at all, it so happens to be
    the truth.

    I don't think that you understand what "the truth" means...

    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men
    like me to protect you,


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    <deep breath>

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Sep 2 23:10:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss said to Jeff Thiele: <=-

    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are
    just as irrelevant.

    You know, my youngest daughter could've won a battle of wits with you 10
    years ago, when she wasn't even in pre-school yet. Nowadays she wouldn't
    agree to have a battle of wits with you, she doesn't believe in fighting an unarmed opponent...


    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or
    find any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern

    Absolutely no value in America First, and we'll be dealing with the
    blowback from it for decades. But there were dozens of people and
    construction companies that made a killing on government contracts which re-directed government funds directly into their bank accounts. Basically,
    the wall provided a master class in robbing the government.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Sat Sep 3 14:26:52 2022
    [..]

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same
    person.

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)

    What we are seeing today, right before our very eyes, is Obama's
    third term. Obama himself admitted it -

    OBAMA: "I’ve said this before, people would ask me, 'Knowing what you
    know now, do you wish you had a third term?' And I used to say, 'You
    know what, if I could make an arrangement where I had a stand-in, a
    front-man or a front-woman and they had an ear piece in and I was just
    in my basement with my sweats looking through the stuff and I could
    sort of deliver the lines, but somebody else was doing all the talking
    and ceremony, I would be fine with that.' Because I found the work
    fascinating. I mean, I write about the — even on my worst days, I found puzzling out, you know, these big, complicated, difficult issues,
    especially if you were working with some great people, to be
    professionally really satisfying. But I do not miss having to wear
    a tie every day."

    There you go. Straight from the horse's mouth. And Michelle is so
    very happy to have her man around the house to do with as she wants. :)

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Sep 3 08:48:25 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has ever stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse or tha pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not walking into the U.S. when there is video evidence to state otherwise.

    Refugees seeking asylum are walking into the U.S. Refugees seeking
    asylum are not "illegals." And this has nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on election night were deceptive or not. You are frantically trying to change the subject.

    A few points to made here.
    The deceptiveness that "WE" on the Right, are talking about had nothing to do with the ever growing immigration problem.
    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.

    What is the difference between refugees seeking asylum from corrupt countries with no opportunity for their families - which is why "they" are coming here
    to the U.S. but the "Land of the Free" does not mean that everything is free, but democrats sure do try their best to make that a reality.
    Why would that be Jeff?
    Are they hoping that these people become new democrats themselves?
    No one does nothing for nobody unless there is something in it for them.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Sep 3 10:10:16 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 01 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.
    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are just as irrelevant.

    Whatever, man. Your statement was misogynistic.

    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or f any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern Border between the U.S. and Mexico or any of many accomplishments of the Tru Administration of which I have posted here previously.

    America is a melting pot, open to all who are suffering. "Americe First" is a blasphemy.
    America First is not racist, unfair and is not wrong.
    here is a bit of corrective education for you and the other libtards. https://tinyurl.com/33pr2tmc

    Yup she sure is a Melting Pot, my family way back in late 1880's came to America from Germany. As did many others.
    There is a clear distinction to be made.
    My family as so many others came here to the U.S. to work hard to support
    their families and their new communities. They did not come here as
    freeloaders to get free housing, free health care, free education or a cash handout.

    Liberals (Democratic communists) are increasingly in favor of open borders to anyone who wants to enter the United States and national sovereignty be
    damned. But not that long ago they all wanted border security.

    Schumer 2009: Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. He was all for spending $25 billion to secure the southern border until January of 2018.

    Hillary 2015: I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.

    Obama 2005: We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked.

    Bill Clinton 1996: His State of the Union address that year showed a striking comparison to what President Trump has said about the subject. We are a
    nation of laws.

    Dianne Feinstein 2006: Democrats are solidly behind controlling the border,
    and we support the border fence with the Secure Fence Act of 2006.

    Nancy Pelosi 2013: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi referred to border "security as a basic principle" and urged congress to support legislation that she claimed would secure the U.S. border.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Rebecca Marie on Sat Sep 3 10:14:25 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

    Gregory Deyss said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues bein off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye t

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.
    If you only knew, but I am so much more than "an account".
    More like 90% wrong.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Sat Sep 3 09:57:00 2022
    On 01 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...
    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues bei
    off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectua
    superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who the
    say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.

    That was in jest, but I forget you don't understand humor.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Sat Sep 3 10:02:00 2022
    Absolutely no value in America First, and we'll be dealing with the

    Hmmmmm....


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sat Sep 3 10:13:00 2022
    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis
    on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.

    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed on
    election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking heads
    on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning and find out
    she had not.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and some of
    the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came up
    with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't win.

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned
    Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his
    President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Sep 3 10:16:04 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has eve stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse o pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not wa into the U.S. when there is video evidence to state otherwise.
    Refugees seeking asylum are walking into the U.S. Refugees seeking asylum are not "illegals." And this has nothing to do with whether Fo News' reporting on election night were deceptive or not. You are frantically trying to change the subject.
    A few points to made here.
    The deceptiveness that "WE" on the Right, are talking about had nothing
    to do with the ever growing immigration problem.

    Ok. You brought it up. I said it was irrelevant. You agree that it was irrelevant. I suppose that's progress.

    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded
    a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.

    You seem to be confusing cause and effect again. The election-night punditry did not affect the vote count; the vote count affected the election-night punditry.

    What is the difference between refugees seeking asylum from corrupt countries with no opportunity for their families - which is why "they"
    are coming here to the U.S. but the "Land of the Free" does not mean
    that everything is free, but democrats sure do try their best to make
    that a reality. Why would that be Jeff?

    Usually when one starts a sentence with "What is the difference between," two different things follow, usually separated by "and." I cannot figure out what those two things are in this sentence.

    The best I can figure out is that you're asking the difference between
    refugees seeking asylum and Democrat support for the social safety net. I
    don't even know where to start in answering that.

    Are they hoping that these people become new democrats themselves?

    Maybe they're just hoping they'll live happy, productive lives.

    No one does nothing for nobody unless there is something in it for them.

    Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter it, but I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habitat for Humanity and expects nothing in return.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Sep 3 17:22:53 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues
    bein
    off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim
    intellectual
    superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who
    they
    say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see
    eye t
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the
    same
    person.

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither
    confirm nor deny it.

    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.

    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted English and
    capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal opinion is that he's trying to imitate the highfalutin' blather of his hero, Rush Limbaugh, but is failing on the finer points.

    When I see President Biden awarding Gregory the Presidential Medal
    of Freedom then I will know he was right about everything he has said.

    Aaron's posts are more sane-sounding, but just as delusional. He alternates
    between caring for the fate of "his" country and only being concerned about
    what he sees in his own neighborhood, depending on how cornered he is. He has
    a low grasp of number theory, probability theory, and statistics, which leads
    him to inherently distrust anything with a number in it as well as use numbers in ways that are unconventional, to put it mildly. He also has difficulty with set theory.

    Forrest Gump, Jr. In this very forum. Who would'a guessed it?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to MATT MUNSON on Sat Sep 3 17:23:00 2022
    Hello Matt,

    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    Al Gore beat GWB in 2000, but the USSC appointed GWB as prez.
    The closest vote in American history, with only 9 votes counted,
    GWB winning the election by 1 vote.

    The electoral college system is an anachronism, and should have been
    ditched long ago. But that does not mean the US should continue to use
    that seriously flawed system. There is nothing in the US Constitution
    that mandates it to be used, so why use it?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Sep 3 10:28:25 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    America First is not racist, unfair and is not wrong.
    here is a bit of corrective education for you and the other libtards. https://tinyurl.com/33pr2tmc

    According to its own propaganda, "America First" calls for "a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions."

    Yup she sure is a Melting Pot, my family way back in late 1880's came to America from Germany. As did many others.
    There is a clear distinction to be made.
    My family as so many others came here to the U.S. to work hard to support their families and their new communities. They did not come here as freeloaders to get free housing, free health care, free education or a cash handout.

    What is your evidence that refugees get those things for free? What
    government program(s) provide these things to refugees? The one exception I could see is a K-12 education for kids, because n educated populace benefits
    us all.

    Liberals (Democratic communists) are increasingly in favor of open
    borders to anyone who wants to enter the United States and national sovereignty be damned. But not that long ago they all wanted border security.

    What was border security like in the 1880s when your family arrived in the
    US? Were the borders more, or less, open than they are now? How did that
    affect our national sovereignty? What was the driving force behind the change in border policy? Answer those questions correctly and I think you'll have a much more accurate understanding of "America First."

    Schumer 2009: Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. He was all for spending $25 billion to secure the southern border until January of 2018.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Hillary 2015: I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Obama 2005: We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Bill Clinton 1996: His State of the Union address that year showed a striking comparison to what President Trump has said about the subject. We are a nation of laws.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Dianne Feinstein 2006: Democrats are solidly behind controlling the border, and we support the border fence with the Secure Fence Act of
    2006.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Nancy Pelosi 2013: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi referred to border "security as a basic principle" and urged congress to support
    legislation that she claimed would secure the U.S. border.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Illegal immigration is a problem and does neet to be dealt with, but the solution to that problem should not be taken out on legal refugees.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sat Sep 3 10:29:25 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the sam person.
    If you only knew, but I am so much more than "an account".
    More like 90% wrong.

    Gregory and Aaron are only 10% the same person?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Sep 3 10:30:19 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can nei confirm nor deny it.
    That was in jest, but I forget you don't understand humor.

    I bring it up in jest as well.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Sep 3 10:52:11 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis
    on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a bit too supporters of the Democratic party.
    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed on election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking heads on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning and find out she had not.

    And in the morning they accepted that. The talking heads on TV were just following the numbers in real-time.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and some of the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came up with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't
    win.

    I don't know anyone who thought that Trump didn't win. Hillary lost, and of course there are reasons she lost. One of them might even have been the announcement of an FBI investigation right before the election.

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.

    It's different because to the Democrats, at least the ones I know, "not my president" means "Yes, he's president, but I didn't vote for him and wash my hands of anything he does," whereas to people like Gregory, "not my
    president" means "He was fraudulently elected and is an illegitimate president." The difference is subtle, but see if you can spot it.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Sat Sep 3 14:28:56 2022
    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are still one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side of OAN. The problem is that there are some lies that even Fox won't get behind, but you've bought into the lies hook, line and sinker. Rather
    than accept that the narrative might not be completely true, you'll turn on the people and organizations that challenges those.

    For you to say "Fox has not changed at all," you'd have to have been a loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news type of person.

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3 of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that the manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Sep 3 15:42:52 2022
    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox News, and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist"
    from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they
    are.

    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservatives
    under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."

    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about? I'm the only person here who's accusing them of being "leftist." You can't go around saying "Fox news viewers are radicalized and the proof is in a message posted by Aaron on fidonet."

    It's not a radical change; I used to watch CNN & MSNBC. They irritated me with the Trump stuff, so I stopped watching. Now Fox News has irritated me with all their reverse psychology, so I stopped watching that too.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 3 11:37:05 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox Ne and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist" from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they are.
    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservatives under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    BS. They're a conservative news network owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?
    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."
    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about? I'm the only person here who's accusing them of being "leftist." You can't go around saying "Fox news viewers are radicalized and the
    proof is in a message posted by Aaron on fidonet."

    According to you yourself, at least two other people in here agree with you. And now you're the only one?

    It's not a radical change; I used to watch CNN & MSNBC. They irritated
    me with the Trump stuff, so I stopped watching. Now Fox News has
    irritated me with all their reverse psychology, so I stopped watching
    that too.

    There's no reverse psychology. There's a "news" section that tries to at
    least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then there's an "entertainment" section that says whatever they want, and it's typically pro-Trump and anti-Biden, and always conservative. All in one channel.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 3 12:10:39 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are s one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side OAN. The problem is that there are some lies that even Fox won't get behind, but you've bought into the lies hook, line and sinker. Rather than accept that the narrative might not be completely true, you'll t on the people and organizations that challenges those.
    For you to say "Fox has not changed at all," you'd have to have been a loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news type
    of person.

    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person could be
    exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way that someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without actually watching
    it?

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this ma of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' decepti reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so tha manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist ne
    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Are you claiming that Rupert Murdoch is
    a closet leftist? Or is it possible that you see everything to your left on
    the political spectrum, even other conservatives and centrists, as "leftist" because they don't agree with you?

    Also above is where you said that there were at least three of you aware of
    Fox News' "deceptive reporting." And now you're claiming elsewhere that
    you're the only one.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 3 23:06:33 2022
    Hello Aaron,

    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox
    News,
    and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist"
    from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they
    are.

    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservatives under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    Sean Hannity and James Carville have gone on tour debating before
    live audiences. So why not Tucker Carlson doing the same?

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."

    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about?

    Unindicted co-conspirators of the January 6 uprising ...

    I'm the only person here who's accusing them of being "leftist." You can't go around saying "Fox news viewers are radicalized and the proof is in a message posted by Aaron on fidonet."

    Be careful. Liz Cheney and her J6 Select Committee could subpoenae you.

    It's not a radical change; I used to watch CNN & MSNBC. They irritated me with the Trump stuff, so I stopped watching. Now Fox News has irritated me with all their reverse psychology, so I stopped watching that too.

    Thank God for PBS.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Sep 3 23:06:40 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving
    their
    analysis
    on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a
    bit too
    supporters of the Democratic party.
    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed
    on
    election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking
    heads on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning
    and
    find out she had not.

    And in the morning they accepted that. The talking heads on TV were just following the numbers in real-time.

    James Carville conceded that Hillary Clinton lost the presidential
    election as soon as the results from Florida started coming in. That
    was long before any of the networks had called the election.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and
    some of
    the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came
    up
    with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't
    win.

    I don't know anyone who thought that Trump didn't win. Hillary lost, and of
    course there are reasons she lost. One of them might even have been the announcement of an FBI investigation right before the election.

    Hillary Clinton blamed James Comey as the reason as to why she lost
    the election. Barack Obama says she lost because she was not aggressive
    enough, playing things safe, during her campaign. But she accepted the
    fact that she had lost, and conceded the election to Trump.

    Donald Trump is probably the only person on earth who honestly
    believes he did not lose the election to Joe Biden. Even though
    81 million Americans voted to remove him from office.

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned
    Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his
    President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.

    It's different because to the Democrats, at least the ones I know, "not my president" means "Yes, he's president, but I didn't vote for him and wash my
    hands of anything he does," whereas to people like Gregory, "not my president" means "He was fraudulently elected and is an illegitimate president." The difference is subtle, but see if you can spot it.

    On Thursday night, Joe Biden declared himself as being an American
    President. Not a Democratic President or a Republican President, but
    an American President.

    President Biden reminded us all that "Donald Trump and the MAGA
    Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations
    of our republic."

    Joe Biden is doing his part to defend this country, and our democracy.
    It is time for us all to do the same.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Sep 3 20:33:15 2022
    According to you yourself, at least two other people in here agree with you. And now you're the only one?

    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and we're not.

    There's no reverse psychology. There's a "news" section that tries to at least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then there's

    You are not a person who's been paying close attention to Fox News.

    least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then there's

    There's no journalistic integrity. Their news stories are cherry-picked,
    some of them seem fake, and their opinion stories don't match the opinions of real conservatives. Peter Doocy is the only one acting like a real conservative.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sat Sep 3 21:34:48 2022
    loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news ty of person.

    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person could be exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way that someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without
    actually watching it?

    You can get the gist but you won't see the twist.

    Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Are you claiming that Rupert
    Murdoch is a closet leftist? Or is it possible that you see everything
    to your left on the political spectrum, even other conservatives and centrists, as "leftist" because they don't agree with you?

    I assume that Rupert Murdoch is a leftist. Somebody has got to own the conservatives' attention. His son donates to liberal causes. Murdoch doesn't write the scripts for the puppets.

    Also above is where you said that there were at least three of you aware of Fox News' "deceptive reporting." And now you're claiming elsewhere
    that you're the only one.

    Three people from Fidonet doesn't equal "fox news viewers are becoming radicalized." (You've got to come out from under the trailer!)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 3 17:14:55 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    According to you yourself, at least two other people in here agree wi you. And now you're the only one?
    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and we're not.

    Not true. Conservatives can also be radicalized. Hence the events of 1/6/21.

    There's no reverse psychology. There's a "news" section that tries to least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then ther
    You are not a person who's been paying close attention to Fox News.

    In what way am I wrong?

    least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then ther
    There's no journalistic integrity. Their news stories are cherry-picked, some of them seem fake, and their opinion stories don't match the
    opinions of real conservatives. Peter Doocy is the only one acting like
    a real conservative.

    Ah, "real conservatives." Meaning, "Aaron."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 3 17:24:04 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox ne of person.
    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person could b exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way that someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without actually watching it?
    You can get the gist but you won't see the twist.

    There is no twist. Aaron doesn't agree with Fox News' reporting; therefore
    Fox News' reporting must be deceptive is what you're saying.

    In what way is Fox News being anti-conservative? Is it that they abandoned Trump? Is support of Trump necessary to be a "real conservative?"

    Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Are you claiming that Rupert Murdoch is a closet leftist? Or is it possible that you see everythin to your left on the political spectrum, even other conservatives and centrists, as "leftist" because they don't agree with you?
    I assume that Rupert Murdoch is a leftist. Somebody has got to own the conservatives' attention. His son donates to liberal causes. Murdoch doesn't write the scripts for the puppets.

    He sets the tone for Fox News, though. And also the New York Post. He is very much a conservative, but not so much a Trumpist. Maybe that's where you're confused.

    Also above is where you said that there were at least three of you aw of Fox News' "deceptive reporting." And now you're claiming elsewhere that you're the only one.
    Three people from Fidonet doesn't equal "fox news viewers are becoming radicalized." (You've got to come out from under the trailer!)

    1. Because math.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Sep 3 21:42:57 2022
    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservat under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    Sean Hannity and James Carville have gone on tour debating before
    live audiences. So why not Tucker Carlson doing the same?

    Yes, you are backing up what I'm saying (again) and that is cool.

    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about?

    Unindicted co-conspirators of the January 6 uprising ...

    He was referring to me, Ron, & Greg as "radicalized fox news viewers," but I set him straight because it ain't true.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sun Sep 4 10:11:42 2022

    On 03 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed on election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking heads on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning and find out she had not.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and some of the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came up with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't
    win.

    Oh yes, and lets not forget about that the days and months that were prior
    to that election. It was laughter and ridicule that I received.
    They were so sure of themselves that Donald Trump would NOT be President.
    That went on for quite some time, until the smugness faded from their faces.

    Then I heard about grown-ass adults who were within grieving centers or areas known as a "Safe Spaces" with one such activity known as a therapy wall, In addition to this, there were Cry-In's sessions at Cornell and puppies and coloring books at Penn State.
    All True by the way.
    There are other examples of this delusional psychosis within the links below. https://tinyurl.com/y9pfhs7w
    https://tinyurl.com/y7kjb43s
    https://tinyurl.com/32ju8rts

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.

    It is alright, these lefties don't know any better.
    I know that they consider themselves to be highly educated and of course that they know better. How irritating it must be to realize all that is a lie.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 4 10:35:11 2022
    On 03 Sep 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    Usually when one starts a sentence with "What is the difference
    between," two different things follow, usually separated by "and." I cannot figure out what those two things are in this sentence.

    You missed the point that the
    "Land of the Free" does not mean that everything is free.

    Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter
    it, but I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habitat for Humanity and expects nothing in return.

    That is way with Philanthropy, there is nothing mysterious about that.
    The Democratic Party's interest in these poor and downtrodden hordes of illegals violating U.S. sovereignty has nothing to do with philanthropy. Indeed, they are nothing more then pawns and are expected to be tomorrow's Democrats.
    I wonder if the Democratic Party will be continuing their supportive nature
    in the future, now that a large number of Hispanics are turning away from what they see as Democratic lies.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 4 02:25:00 2022
    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and we'r not.

    Not true. Conservatives can also be radicalized. Hence the events of 1/6/21.

    You said we were "radical" because we don't like Fox anymore, but if we were
    to have a radical response, the radical response would be to begin watching something far different from Fox, something like MSNBC.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 4 03:09:48 2022
    loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a F of person.
    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person co exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without actually watching it?
    You can get the gist but you won't see the twist.

    There is no twist. Aaron doesn't agree with Fox News' reporting;
    therefore Fox News' reporting must be deceptive is what you're saying.

    I feel like I said this before, but my dissatisfaction with Fox News has
    little to do with Trump, and it has everything to do with misleading reporting.

    In what way is Fox News being anti-conservative? Is it that they
    abandoned Trump? Is support of Trump necessary to be a "real conservative?"

    It's the subtle tricks. Helping Biden win an election isn't conservative. Fox News reported a lot of misleading information around the week of Election Day. You shouldn't argue that it wasn't misleading, because a couple years back it was you who was telling me that some of that information was misleading or wrong. But now, in your quest to be right about everything, you're acting like those conversations never happened.

    It's ok to be wrong once in a while, but it's not ok to double-down after
    being proven wrong.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 4 14:07:34 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying
    that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    Hence the Elitist Narrative that Fox is "convervative". Have you ever noticed how hard they push a false Narrative when people start to discover that the Narrative is false?


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 4 14:07:34 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Three people from Fidonet doesn't equal "fox news viewers are becoming radicalized." (You've got to come out from under the trailer!)

    I thought he lived in his mom's basement... Wait... Or was that Lee?


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Sep 4 14:07:34 2022
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    It is alright, these lefties don't know any better.
    I know that they consider themselves to be highly educated and of
    course that they know better. How irritating it must be to realize all that is a lie.

    Right our or Orwell's 1984:
    War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength

    The Ignorant Elitists live in a fantasy world that they are terrified of leaving. Because in the real world, they are worthless morons who are ignored by everyone.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sun Sep 4 13:35:06 2022
    On 04 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Usually when one starts a sentence with "What is the difference between," two different things follow, usually separated by "and." I cannot figure out what those two things are in this sentence.
    You missed the point that the
    "Land of the Free" does not mean that everything is free.

    Of course it does not mean that everything is free. And everything is not
    free. Some of us would like certain things available to people who do not
    have the financial means to get those things for themselves, but that's
    hardly "everything."

    With your claim of Democrats wanting "everything" to be free You are trying to take the social safety net to an extreme that does not exist. You are
    having to exaggerate to make your point.

    Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter it, but I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habi for Humanity and expects nothing in return.
    That is way with Philanthropy, there is nothing mysterious about that.

    And yet, it proves that your statement that "No one does nothing for nobody unless there is something in it for them" is not the absolute truism that you presented it as. Perhaps there are other nuances and motivations that you've missed.

    The Democratic Party's interest in these poor and downtrodden hordes of illegals violating U.S. sovereignty has nothing to do with philanthropy.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants, and they are not violating US
    sovereignty. Offering asylum to refugees is the humane thing to do.

    Indeed, they are nothing more then pawns and are expected to be
    tomorrow's Democrats.

    That's the right's narrative, of course.

    I wonder if the Democratic Party will be continuing their supportive nature in the future, now that a large number of Hispanics are turning away from what they see as Democratic lies.

    What are the Democratic lies?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 4 14:31:10 2022
    On 04 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and not.
    Not true. Conservatives can also be radicalized. Hence the events of 1/6/21.
    You said we were "radical" because we don't like Fox anymore, but if we were to have a radical response, the radical response would be to begin watching something far different from Fox, something like MSNBC.

    No, I said that many on the right don't like Fox News anymore *because*
    they've become more radical, not the other way around. You asked what radical things these ex-viewers had done recently, and I cited your action of
    claiming that Fox News was some sort of liberal reverse-psychology operation, which is bizarre and untrue.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 4 14:44:45 2022
    On 04 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    There is no twist. Aaron doesn't agree with Fox News' reporting; therefore Fox News' reporting must be deceptive is what you're saying
    I feel like I said this before, but my dissatisfaction with Fox News has little to do with Trump, and it has everything to do with misleading reporting.

    Misleading reporting about what, then?

    In what way is Fox News being anti-conservative? Is it that they abandoned Trump? Is support of Trump necessary to be a "real conservative?"
    It's the subtle tricks. Helping Biden win an election isn't
    conservative. Fox News reported a lot of misleading information around
    the week of Election Day. You shouldn't argue that it wasn't misleading, because a couple years back it was you who was telling me that some of that information was misleading or wrong. But now, in your quest to be right about everything, you're acting like those conversations never happened.

    Fox News didn't help Biden win (and Trump lose), but it's not about Trump, right?

    Fox News does have misleading reporting, but with a decidedly conservative bent.

    It's ok to be wrong once in a while, but it's not ok to double-down after being proven wrong.

    If you've given up on Fox News because of their deceptive conservative reporting, I could agree with you. But you're accusing them of deceptive liberal reporting, which isn't true.

    Please give an example.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Mon Sep 5 10:24:00 2022
    Then I heard about grown-ass adults who were within grieving centers or areas known as a "Safe Spaces" with one such activity known as a therapy wall, In addition to this, there were Cry-In's sessions at Cornell and puppies and coloring books at Penn State.
    All True by the way.

    But Gregory, that is different because their feeling were hurt. It had
    nothing to do with some delusion that Trump was not really President.

    Yes, I am being sarcastic.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Mon Sep 5 00:37:16 2022
    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    Hence the Elitist Narrative that Fox is "convervative". Have you ever noticed how hard they push a false Narrative when people start to
    discover that the Narrative is false?

    Legislation of the latest money-grab comes to mind. When Joe Manchin
    questioned the urgency for all this money, other confederates threw him under the bus. That's pushing the narrative hard. "Joe Manchin wants to defund FEMA."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Sep 5 01:04:56 2022
    You said we were "radical" because we don't like Fox anymore, but if were to have a radical response, the radical response would be to beg watching something far different from Fox, something like MSNBC.

    No, I said that many on the right don't like Fox News anymore *because* they've become more radical, not the other way around. You asked what

    Sorry, I misunderstood.

    radical things these ex-viewers had done recently, and I cited your
    action of claiming that Fox News was some sort of liberal reverse-psychology operation, which is bizarre and untrue.

    They've been talking about the "Red Wave," but there's not gonna be one. It's
    a distraction. Leftists aren't ditching their party. Fox's angle is for us to hear that and then let our guard down. "A Fox News poll indictates Biden's approval rating to be lower than any other president in the history of
    approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re-elected in a landslide victory.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Sep 5 03:39:50 2022
    If you've given up on Fox News because of their deceptive conservative reporting, I could agree with you. But you're accusing them of deceptive liberal reporting, which isn't true.

    Please give an example.

    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-on-white homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports.

    They tease us with stuff like "Hunter's laptop," but then nothing becomes of it. You don't see that as "leftist propaganda," but it is, because they're tricking conservatives into parroting BS, which will come back to haunt them.

    The owner is a billionaire; billionaires aren't conservatives, and they're not to be trusted. Conservatives make up a significant portion of the USA, but leftists don't want anyone acknowleging that. They would rather cut their losses by investing in a smidge of power over the conservative population, and use it carefully and wisely for strategic success. Maybe for an election, for example, try to make conservatives think that they've got nothing to lose.

    They don't cover the most pressing issues for GOP supporters, which are: We need our party to be fine tuned, we need media infrastructure, we need way more money, and we need labor unions to ditch the DNC in favor of us. If Rupert cared so much about conservatives, he'd get right on that stuff. He's not looking for political change though, he's just running a business covering a niche market.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Mike Powell on Mon Sep 5 18:07:22 2022
    Hello, Mike Powell.
    On 9/3/22 10:13 AM you wrote:

    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving
    their analysis on the vote count on election night and some of
    those, sounded a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.
    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and
    some of the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win.
    Others came up with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons
    why Hillary didn't win.
    We had 8 years of "Not my president" before that. Accusations that Obama wasn't born in this country, etc. etc.

    Most of the "not my president" stuff about Trump was probably a tongue-in-cheek reference to that.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 5 23:07:05 2022
    On 05 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    radical things these ex-viewers had done recently, and I cited your action of claiming that Fox News was some sort of liberal reverse-psychology operation, which is bizarre and untrue.
    They've been talking about the "Red Wave," but there's not gonna be one. It's a distraction. Leftists aren't ditching their party. Fox's angle is for us to hear that and then let our guard down. "A Fox News poll indictates Biden's approval rating to be lower than any other president
    in the history of approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re-elected
    in a landslide victory.

    They're reporting what they think conservatives want to hear.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Sep 5 23:15:07 2022
    On 05 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    If you've given up on Fox News because of their deceptive conservativ reporting, I could agree with you. But you're accusing them of decept liberal reporting, which isn't true.
    Please give an example.
    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-on-white homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports.

    True, but how is that pro-Biden/anti-Trump?

    They tease us with stuff like "Hunter's laptop," but then nothing
    becomes of it. You don't see that as "leftist propaganda," but it is, because they're tricking conservatives into parroting BS, which will
    come back to haunt them.

    What is the status of said laptop? Is it in the hands of the FBI? My understanding is that it has a rather shady chain of custody.

    The owner is a billionaire; billionaires aren't conservatives, and
    they're not to be trusted. Conservatives make up a significant portion
    of the USA, but leftists don't want anyone acknowleging that. They would rather cut their losses by investing in a smidge of power over the conservative population, and use it carefully and wisely for strategic success. Maybe for an election, for example, try to make conservatives think that they've got nothing to lose.

    There are in fact many conservative billionaires.

    They don't cover the most pressing issues for GOP supporters, which are: We need our party to be fine tuned, we need media infrastructure, we
    need way more money, and we need labor unions to ditch the DNC in favor
    of us. If Rupert cared so much about conservatives, he'd get right on
    that stuff. He's not looking for political change though, he's just running a business covering a niche market.

    Why would a neutral news source cover such things?

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 6 08:30:15 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Legislation of the latest money-grab comes to mind. When Joe Manchin questioned the urgency for all this money, other confederates threw him under the bus. That's pushing the narrative hard. "Joe Manchin wants to defund FEMA."

    I've learned that when a salesman pushes harder, it's because he wants the sale - not because it's best for you.

    There's a great deal of similiarity between a Democrat and a sleezy used car salesman.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Tue Sep 6 07:47:08 2022
    On 06 Sep 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    Legislation of the latest money-grab comes to mind. When Joe Manchin questioned the urgency for all this money, other confederates threw h under the bus. That's pushing the narrative hard. "Joe Manchin wants defund FEMA."
    I've learned that when a salesman pushes harder, it's because he wants
    the sale - not because it's best for you.
    There's a great deal of similiarity between a Democrat and a sleezy used car salesman.

    Republicans also throw members of their party who don't cooperate with party goals under the bus. The term "RINO" springs to mind, for example. Both
    parties have an official position, the majority/minority whip, whose job it
    is to "whip" its members into submission.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Tue Sep 6 18:17:00 2022
    I've learned that when a salesman pushes harder, it's because he wants the sal
    - not because it's best for you.

    +1


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Sep 6 06:06:31 2022
    in the history of approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re-elect in a landslide victory.

    They're reporting what they think conservatives want to hear.

    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar to the way that George Soros controls you.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Sep 6 22:15:58 2022
    Please give an example.
    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-on-whi homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports.

    True, but how is that pro-Biden/anti-Trump?

    Exhibit A:
    Fox News' target audience is whites. By cherry-picking these articles, they're fomenting resentment of blacks and non-whites.

    Exhibit B:
    foxnews.com, unlike 99% of other news websites, continues to allow comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every time.

    The openly-leftist media controls liberals, and the shadow-leftist Fox News controls conservatives. Not only controls them, but also creates the perfect place (comments section on their website) to create a "whites are racist" narrative.

    Question: What's at the end of this rainbow? Answer: More desperate situations for the American people that predatory politicians can tantilize them with later. "Re-elect me and your crime problems will be solved."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 7 06:03:41 2022
    On 06 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    in the history of approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re- in a landslide victory.
    They're reporting what they think conservatives want to hear.
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar to
    the way that George Soros controls you.

    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.

    You implied that Fox News has changed in some way prior to the last election, but Fox News has always been about telling conservatives what they want to hear.

    And, just for logic's sake, if Fox News is secretly liberal, then are you saying that George Soros is secretly conservative?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 7 06:17:53 2022
    On 06 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Please give an example.
    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-o homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports
    True, but how is that pro-Biden/anti-Trump?
    Exhibit A:
    Fox News' target audience is whites. By cherry-picking these articles, they're fomenting resentment of blacks and non-whites.

    That's true of conservative propaganda in general.

    Exhibit B:
    foxnews.com, unlike 99% of other news websites, continues to allow comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every time.

    I can see how that could be a problem. Perhaps conservatives need to disavow themselves of their racist comrades, although they will risk losing their
    votes as well, which I suspect is why they have not done so.

    Perhaps Fox News is inadvertently opening your eyes to something you'd really rather not have to acknowledge.

    The openly-leftist media controls liberals, and the shadow-leftist Fox News controls conservatives. Not only controls them, but also creates
    the perfect place (comments section on their website) to create a
    "whites are racist" narrative.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this country.

    Not all media is leftist, either, unless Fox News is considered centrist
    (which it isn't).

    And, of course, you have no real evidence that Fox News is secretly liberal, any more than you have that Soros is secretly conservative.

    Question: What's at the end of this rainbow? Answer: More desperate situations for the American people that predatory politicians can tantilize them with later. "Re-elect me and your crime problems will be solved."

    Where are you getting your news now that you've abandoned Fox News?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Sep 7 16:32:00 2022
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar to the way that George Soros controls you.

    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.

    So when the Israeli government, or Israeli citizens, claim that Soros is also attempting to influence their citizens and interfere with their government, is that considered anti-themselves?

    If it was only a bunch of American right-wing radicals questioning his influence, I could see the anti-semitic argument having merit. Since other countries make similar claims, I question it.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fire
    anywhere.

    You implied that Fox News has changed in some way prior to the last election, but Fox News has always been about telling conservatives what they want to hear.

    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Trump.
    Maybe FOX never fully got over that, either.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 7 16:26:11 2022
    On 07 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar the way that George Soros controls you.
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said consp theory would suggest otherwise.
    So when the Israeli government, or Israeli citizens, claim that Soros is also attempting to influence their citizens and interfere with their government, is that considered anti-themselves?

    Do they complain that George Soros "controls" them?

    If it was only a bunch of American right-wing radicals questioning his influence, I could see the anti-semitic argument having merit. Since other countries make similar claims, I question it.

    It's a claim that's been around for a long, long time. For what it's worth, Soros also donates to conservative causes.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fire anywhere.

    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?

    You implied that Fox News has changed in some way prior to the last elec but Fox News has always been about telling conservatives what they want hear.
    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Trump. Maybe FOX never fully got over that, either.

    I think that would depend on whether the reporters in question were in the
    news department or the entertainment department.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Sep 7 20:49:00 2022
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.

    George pushes propanganda on his news channels, and funds non-prosecuting prosecutor campaigns. He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."

    And, just for logic's sake, if Fox News is secretly liberal, then are you saying that George Soros is secretly conservative?

    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what matters is
    that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so that they can pander to idiots later on.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Sep 7 21:21:51 2022
    comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every time.

    I can see how that could be a problem. Perhaps conservatives need to disavow themselves of their racist comrades, although they will risk losing their votes as well, which I suspect is why they have not done so.

    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove the comments section like every other news site has already done.

    Perhaps Fox News is inadvertently opening your eyes to something you'd really rather not have to acknowledge.

    They're not opening my eyes to anything. They're leftist propagandists.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this country.

    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.

    Not all media is leftist, either, unless Fox News is considered centrist (which it isn't).

    It's all leftist. If the leftists had a problem with stuff that Fox News is doing, then all it would take is a phonecall to solve it.

    Leftists are fine with Fox News. They love the Hunter's Laptop story, because it's a dead-end. They also love all the "election was stolen" stuff, because that helps them look good too.

    Where are you getting your news now that you've abandoned Fox News?

    I still browse foxnews.com but I don't take them seriously. Local news at 12 and 6 are good enough.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 7 19:22:05 2022
    On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy the and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of sa conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.
    George pushes propanganda on his news channels,

    Soros has news channels?

    and funds non-prosecuting
    prosecutor campaigns.

    I take it this means he contributes to the campaings of prosecutors who don't prosecute things that you think should be prosecuted, rather than to the campaigns of prosecutors who don't prosecute at all.

    He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on
    "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."

    Didn't Trump campaign on "law & order," tough-on-crime promises?

    And, just for logic's sake, if Fox News is secretly liberal, then are saying that George Soros is secretly conservative?
    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what matters
    is that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so that they can pander to idiots later on.

    Sure it matters. If Rupert Murdoch has Fox News being 'deceptive' in order to control conservatives because he's a secret leftist, and Soros has "his" news channels publishing "propaganda" in order to control the left, isn't there at least a possibility that he's a secret conservative who is colluding with Republicans?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 7 19:34:59 2022
    On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every
    I can see how that could be a problem. Perhaps conservatives need to disavow themselves of their racist comrades, although they will risk losing their votes as well, which I suspect is why they have not done
    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove the comments section like every other news site has already done.

    To hide the racism of the racist comrades who don't exist. Have you thought that through? Racists share the same preference in news sites that you do.

    Perhaps Fox News is inadvertently opening your eyes to something you' really rather not have to acknowledge.
    They're not opening my eyes to anything. They're leftist propagandists.

    They are definitely not leftist propagandists. They approach just about everything with a conservative bent. But now that that's becoming
    inconvenient and/or embarassing to you, suddenly they're "leftists."

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this count
    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.

    It's not racist to point out actual demographics, and most of the racists in the US are white. It's interesting that you would take exception to that fact.

    Not all media is leftist, either, unless Fox News is considered centr (which it isn't).
    It's all leftist. If the leftists had a problem with stuff that Fox News is doing, then all it would take is a phonecall to solve it.

    "Leftists" have had a problem with what Fox News is doing for decades. Just check out all of the "leftist" fact-checks calling out Fox News for their
    lies.

    Leftists are fine with Fox News. They love the Hunter's Laptop story, because it's a dead-end. They also love all the "election was stolen" stuff, because that helps them look good too.

    The Hunter Biden laptop story is a dead end? Are you sure it's not being covered up by the FBI? Trump is generating most of the "election was stolen" stuff; does that make him a secret "leftist," too?

    Where are you getting your news now that you've abandoned Fox News?
    I still browse foxnews.com but I don't take them seriously. Local news
    at 12 and 6 are good enough.

    You do know that the natural progression of this delusional thinking will result in you believing that everyone except you is a "leftist," right? All
    it takes is for someone to say something you disagree with or shine a bad
    light on your beliefs, and suddenly they're playing for the other team. Eventually there will be no one left but you.

    That's not an accurate perception of reality; that's paranoia. You might want to seek help.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 8 03:14:23 2022
    George pushes propanganda on his news channels,

    Soros has news channels?

    I believe that Soros, or one of his companies, owns some local broadcast tv channels. I could be wrong about that. However, I can't be wrong that he colluded with Biden to import latinos and now he's purchased 18 (formerly) conservative latino radio stations so he could propagate Joe's border buddies.

    I take it this means he contributes to the campaings of prosecutors who don't prosecute things that you think should be prosecuted, rather than
    to the campaigns of prosecutors who don't prosecute at all.

    He contributes to the campaigns of bad prosecutors. It's his way of Defunding the Police.

    He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on
    "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."

    Didn't Trump campaign on "law & order," tough-on-crime promises?

    The Joe Biden Crime Crisis is just that; a Joe Biden inspired crime crisis.

    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what matte is that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so that t can pander to idiots later on.

    Sure it matters. If Rupert Murdoch has Fox News being 'deceptive' in
    order to control conservatives because he's a secret leftist, and Soros has "his" news channels publishing "propaganda" in order to control the left, isn't there at least a possibility that he's a secret conservative who is colluding with Republicans?

    Propaganda appeals to weak minded voters. Republicans can't afford propaganda anyway. They are broke. Propaganda costs a ton. They have no TV outlets, especially not broadcast TV outlets. All Republicans have for propaganda is AM radio, and that's pathetic, because nobody listens to that except for people who are already conservatives, and Sean Hannity just makes us look stupid anyway.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 8 03:46:39 2022
    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove the comments section like every other news site has already done.

    To hide the racism of the racist comrades who don't exist. Have you thought that through? Racists share the same preference in news sites
    that you do.

    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't have a comments section.

    They are definitely not leftist propagandists. They approach just about everything with a conservative bent. But now that that's becoming inconvenient and/or embarassing to you, suddenly they're "leftists."

    Racism isn't conservative. Conservatives don't ask for cherry-picked
    police reports or for a racist comment section.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this
    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.

    It's not racist to point out actual demographics, and most of the
    racists in the US are white. It's interesting that you would take exception to that fact.

    You're full of it. You're the one who's racist. "Most of the racists.." Do you realize how full of it you are? You have no proof; using a big word like "demographics" doesn't vindicate you. There's no study, survey, statistic, or fact to prove you right.

    "Most white people enjoyed the George Floyd video."

    "Most conservatives were at the January 6 riot."

    Phrases with the word "most" hold no water in 9 out of 10 of your leftist sentences.

    "Leftists" have had a problem with what Fox News is doing for decades. Just check out all of the "leftist" fact-checks calling out Fox News for their lies.

    But at least they have people like Peter Doocy asking questions at the White House. That's all they're good for.

    The Hunter Biden laptop story is a dead end? Are you sure it's not being covered up by the FBI? Trump is generating most of the "election was stolen" stuff; does that make him a secret "leftist," too?

    The laptop isn't Hunter's. Republicans have had long enough to do something about it if it was real, and they haven't. It doesn't mean that I trust Joe or anything, but I trust that the laptop story was Democrat disinformation. (Make it look like idiot conservatives tried to frame Hunter when really they did it themselves to make conservatives look bad in the long run.)

    Democrats are super organized. They know what they're doing, unlike Republicans.

    You do know that the natural progression of this delusional thinking will result in you believing that everyone except you is a "leftist," right? All it takes is for someone to say something you disagree with or shine
    a bad light on your beliefs, and suddenly they're playing for the other team. Eventually there will be no one left but you.

    I know that it's fun to diagnose each other's mental issues, but no, that's
    not a true diagnosis of me. Outside the BBS world, I don't care about anyone's political beliefs. I only come here for that.

    That's not an accurate perception of reality; that's paranoia. You might want to seek help.

    Nope, it's just Fox News that I think is the leftists. Dan Bongino seems like he wants to talk about elephants in the room, but he barely scratches the surface. I don't think it's his choice though, he's got to do what King Soros desires if he likes having a job.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 8 16:02:00 2022
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, simila
    the way that George Soros controls you.
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theor
    while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said cons
    theory would suggest otherwise.
    So when the Israeli government, or Israeli citizens, claim that Soros is also attempting to influence their citizens and interfere with their government, is that considered anti-themselves?

    Do they complain that George Soros "controls" them?

    I take complaints of "interference" to mean that the Israeli government believes he is controlling something.

    It's a claim that's been around for a long, long time. For what it's worth, Soros also donates to conservative causes.

    I remember hearing about it sometime before the 2016 election, so it is not
    too new, yes.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fire anywhere.

    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?

    That sounds anti-semetic, i.e. that they blame Soros because they are
    Jewish and believe in scapegoats. Is that how you meant it?

    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Trump. Maybe FOX never fully got over that, either.

    I think that would depend on whether the reporters in question were in the news department or the entertainment department.

    I don't know which department they were in, but FOX did not seem to warm to
    him until sometime after he became the nominee.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 8 17:20:24 2022
    On 08 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I believe that Soros, or one of his companies, owns some local broadcast tv channels.

    Local broadcast TV channels... I see. Not unlike the local channels from
    which you purport to get your news. Was Soros' ownership of these local broadcast TV channels a news item on your local news?

    However, I can't be wrong that
    he colluded with Biden to import latinos

    How so? (Also, sounds kinda racist.)

    and now he's purchased 18
    (formerly) conservative latino radio stations

    As far as I can tell, a company associated with Soros helped finance a third party's acquisition of these stations. That's hardly a Soros "purchase."

    so he could propagate
    Joe's border buddies.

    That doesn't even make sense. How does one "propagate buddies?"

    I take it this means he contributes to the campaings of prosecutors don't prosecute things that you think should be prosecuted, rather th to the campaigns of prosecutors who don't prosecute at all.
    He contributes to the campaigns of bad prosecutors. It's his way of Defunding the Police.

    What sort of prosecutors? Prosecutors aren't in charge of police budgets.

    He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on
    "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."
    Didn't Trump campaign on "law & order," tough-on-crime promises?
    The Joe Biden Crime Crisis is just that; a Joe Biden inspired crime crisis.

    And what exactly has Biden done to increase crime?

    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what is that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so t can pander to idiots later on.
    Sure it matters. If Rupert Murdoch has Fox News being 'deceptive' in order to control conservatives because he's a secret leftist, and Sor has "his" news channels publishing "propaganda" in order to control t left, isn't there at least a possibility that he's a secret conservat who is colluding with Republicans?
    Propaganda appeals to weak minded voters. Republicans can't afford propaganda anyway. They are broke. Propaganda costs a ton.

    I see.

    They have no
    TV outlets, especially not broadcast TV outlets.

    If you say so, but there are many who would disagree.

    All Republicans have
    for propaganda is AM radio, and that's pathetic, because nobody listens
    to that except for people who are already conservatives,

    So Republican propaganda is a thing? And if propaganda appeals to weak-minded voters, as you've said, then people who are already conservatives must be weak-minded voters, no?

    and Sean
    Hannity just makes us look stupid anyway.

    No argument there. And Tucker Carlson does the same. But they're yours.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 8 17:28:20 2022
    On 08 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove t comments section like every other news site has already done.
    To hide the racism of the racist comrades who don't exist. Have you thought that through? Racists share the same preference in news sites that you do.
    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't have a comments section.

    Because racism is a conservative phenomenon. One of the core tenets of conservatives is preserving the traditional power structure, and the traditional power structure is racist.

    They are definitely not leftist propagandists. They approach just abo everything with a conservative bent. But now that that's becoming inconvenient and/or embarassing to you, suddenly they're "leftists."
    Racism isn't conservative. Conservatives don't ask for cherry-picked police reports or for a racist comment section.

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the comment section sure do seem to appreciate it.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in
    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.
    It's not racist to point out actual demographics, and most of the racists in the US are white. It's interesting that you would take exception to that fact.
    You're full of it. You're the one who's racist. "Most of the racists.."
    Do you realize how full of it you are? You have no proof; using a big
    word like "demographics" doesn't vindicate you. There's no study,
    survey, statistic, or fact to prove you right.

    Just a lot of white racists.

    "Most white people enjoyed the George Floyd video."
    "Most conservatives were at the January 6 riot."
    Phrases with the word "most" hold no water in 9 out of 10 of your leftist sentences.

    At the very least, "most" means "more than 50%." And neither of those quotes came from me.

    "Leftists" have had a problem with what Fox News is doing for decades Just check out all of the "leftist" fact-checks calling out Fox News their lies.
    But at least they have people like Peter Doocy asking questions at the White House. That's all they're good for.

    Peter Doocy's questions are idiotic. Also, remember Jim Acosta getting his press credentials revoked for asking tough questions? Peter Doocy's still there. That says everything about the difference between these two administrations.

    The Hunter Biden laptop story is a dead end? Are you sure it's not be covered up by the FBI? Trump is generating most of the "election was stolen" stuff; does that make him a secret "leftist," too?
    The laptop isn't Hunter's. Republicans have had long enough to do something about it if it was real, and they haven't. It doesn't mean
    that I trust Joe or anything, but I trust that the laptop story was Democrat disinformation. (Make it look like idiot conservatives tried to frame Hunter when really they did it themselves to make conservatives
    look bad in the long run.)

    I see, so reverse reverse psychology. That's really stretching it, and plenty of conservatives (including some here) believe that the Hunter biden laptop story has some meat to it.

    Democrats are super organized. They know what they're doing, unlike Republicans.

    Ok, well, there's that.

    You do know that the natural progression of this delusional thinking result in you believing that everyone except you is a "leftist," righ All it takes is for someone to say something you disagree with or shi a bad light on your beliefs, and suddenly they're playing for the oth team. Eventually there will be no one left but you.
    I know that it's fun to diagnose each other's mental issues, but no, that's not a true diagnosis of me. Outside the BBS world, I don't care about anyone's political beliefs. I only come here for that.

    So outside of the BBS world, you don't actually believe that Fox News is secretly liberal? Interesting.

    That's not an accurate perception of reality; that's paranoia. You mi want to seek help.
    Nope, it's just Fox News that I think is the leftists. Dan Bongino seems like he wants to talk about elephants in the room, but he barely
    scratches the surface. I don't think it's his choice though, he's got to do what King Soros desires if he likes having a job.

    But only in the BBS world, right?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 8 17:44:10 2022
    On 08 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Do they complain that George Soros "controls" them?
    I take complaints of "interference" to mean that the Israeli government believes he is controlling something.

    That is not necessarily true. Perhaps he is just donating funds to causes
    they don't like.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fir anywhere.
    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?
    That sounds anti-semetic, i.e. that they blame Soros because they are Jewish and believe in scapegoats. Is that how you meant it?

    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent being sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.

    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Tr Maybe FOX never fully got over that, either.
    I think that would depend on whether the reporters in question were in t news department or the entertainment department.
    I don't know which department they were in, but FOX did not seem to warm to him until sometime after he became the nominee.

    Yeah, the same was true for just about all other non-far-right conservatives.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 9 03:06:27 2022
    Local broadcast TV channels... I see. Not unlike the local channels from which you purport to get your news. Was Soros' ownership of these local broadcast TV channels a news item on your local news?

    No, and it might not be George Soros himself doing some of these investments, but it's Soros Fund Management (but George is the one who wants to control the world, so it's hard to not blame a company with his name on it.)

    However, I can't be wrong that
    he colluded with Biden to import latinos

    How so? (Also, sounds kinda racist.)

    Joe imported the hispanics, and now his pal George, the fat ass who donated millions to Joe's campaign, has purchased 18 spanish speaking (formerly conservative) radio stations in collusion with Joe's mass human-importation of hispanics. (Sounds really racist when you look at what George & Joe are doing.)

    As far as I can tell, a company associated with Soros helped finance a third party's acquisition of these stations. That's hardly a Soros "purchase."

    Too much of a coincidence.

    so he could propagate
    Joe's border buddies.

    That doesn't even make sense. How does one "propagate buddies?"

    Importing them was the simple part, propagation involves giving them the
    proper ratios of light, heat, and humidity, and once they develop a few sets of leaves, you tell them that they're being oppressed by racist white people.

    He contributes to the campaigns of bad prosecutors. It's his way of Defunding the Police.

    What sort of prosecutors? Prosecutors aren't in charge of police budgets.

    You already know who the prosecutors are because we've talked about this before. Alvin Bragg is one of them. "Defund the Police" is a metaphor; the
    real meaning is "hurt the police any way you can." Do you think police like having weak prosecutors?

    The Joe Biden Crime Crisis is just that; a Joe Biden inspired crime crisis.

    And what exactly has Biden done to increase crime?

    Caused racial division, allowed his pals to install far-left DAs, caused an illegal migrant crisis, caused a fentanyl crisis, did nothing to combat inflation, prices are outrageous, people are stealing more. All thanks to Biden and his desire for our money.

    So Republican propaganda is a thing? And if propaganda appeals to weak-minded voters, as you've said, then people who are already conservatives must be weak-minded voters, no?

    No, but perhaps people who listen to AM radio are weak-minded voters. (Not any more weak than those who get leftist propaganda on FM radio.)

    Hannity just makes us look stupid anyway.

    No argument there. And Tucker Carlson does the same. But they're yours.

    I think they're actually yours!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 9 03:30:32 2022
    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't have a comments section.

    Because racism is a conservative phenomenon. One of the core tenets of conservatives is preserving the traditional power structure, and the traditional power structure is racist.

    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote together to do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America out of the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.

    The leftists are the ones who are constantly talking about skin color. Nobody brought it up besides you.

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the comment section sure do seem to appreciate it.

    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their political beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.

    Peter Doocy's questions are idiotic. Also, remember Jim Acosta getting
    his press credentials revoked for asking tough questions? Peter Doocy's still there. That says everything about the difference between these two administrations.

    Jim Acosta wasn't "asking tough questions." Jim Acosta was harrassing the president. Peter Doocy's questions don't seem idiotic to me. He's helping us log white house inconsistencies so that later we can reflect on all the dishonesty. That's gonna be a fun day.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Sep 9 17:43:00 2022
    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fi
    anywhere.
    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?
    That sounds anti-semetic, i.e. that they blame Soros because they are Jewish and believe in scapegoats. Is that how you meant it?

    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent being sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.

    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion the Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.

    That sounds more anti-semetic to me.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 9 11:54:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    If that is what comes out, then he was not cooperating, right?

    It's a classic case of distraction - distract the cops so they won't notice that you're destroying the evidence. If you call that co-operating, I would disagree with your definition.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 9 11:59:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    Trump's biggest voting bloc in 2016 were people who did not trust Hillary Clinton. When someone says the same thing over and over for 30 years, it eventually becomes part of the public consciousness. Leaders of the

    In my case, it has nothing to do with what others said. It would be
    the things that Hillary said, did, and took credit for during those 30 years that let me know she cannot be trusted.

    If you weren't within earshot of what Hillary said, or an eyewitness to
    what Hillary "did", then you are definitely listening to what others said.
    My guess is that you heard what Hllary "said, did and took credit for"
    straight from conservative-leaning media. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News?

    If you paid attention to other Democrats during the 2008 and 2016 primaries, you would know that it is not only Republican party leaders

    People get nasty during primaries. I will say one thing about the
    Republican party - at least, the Republican Party when Ronald Reagan was
    the leader - the Eleventh Commandment helped tone down the rhetoric during primaries, something that Democratic candidates simply don't understand.

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not
    trustworthy.

    That is not a fact, that is an opinion. If you can find facts that back up
    your opinion, then you'd have more credibility.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 9 12:03:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)

    It's possible, for certain, but Lee has such a unique writing style that I think the chances are he's an individual. Perhaps Lee is the primary
    account and Bjorn is the alt?


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 9 12:10:00 2022
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.

    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.

    Wow! I think it's pretty amazing that you turned my short post into an opportunity to slag others. Bravo!


    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted English and capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal

    I don't know why, but that made me giggle!


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Fri Sep 9 12:31:00 2022
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.
    If you only knew, but I am so much more than "an account".
    More like 90% wrong.

    I am still not convinced.

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    Nobody is perfect, I reckon. (:

    LOVE IT!!!!



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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 9 12:38:00 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are still one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side of

    For you to say "Fox has not changed at all," you'd have to have been a loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news type
    of person.

    That is 100% true, and I should've picked up on the fact that I was
    repeating hearsay and possible liberal-slanted media opinions. What I
    should've said is "from the clips I've seen of Fox News, it looks like they have not changed at all.


    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3 of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive

    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying
    that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    I will still disagree with this one. Fox News wouldn't do anything that
    would help out us liberals, unless they had no other choice. Like if they
    were reporting on an attempted takeover of our country or something
    similar.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Sat Sep 10 06:06:18 2022
    Hello Rebecca,

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same
    person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and
    they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as
    "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)

    It's possible, for certain, but Lee has such a unique writing style that I think the chances are he's an individual. Perhaps Lee is the primary account and Bjorn is the alt?

    I'll never tell. :)

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Sat Sep 10 10:11:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    If that is what comes out, then he was not cooperating, right?

    It's a classic case of distraction - distract the cops so they won't notice that you're destroying the evidence. If you call that co-operating, I would disagree with your definition.

    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of documents
    and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was running a personal server that housed government correspondence that he then destroyed with
    Bleach Bit.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Sat Sep 10 10:12:00 2022
    If you weren't within earshot of what Hillary said, or an eyewitness to
    what Hillary "did", then you are definitely listening to what others said.
    My guess is that you heard what Hllary "said, did and took credit for" straight from conservative-leaning media. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News?

    The Huffington Post is a good example that I have cited here multiple times. They cite her own memoirs which, as a autobiographical book, was was not written by Rush or anyone from Fox News.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-honduras-coup-memoirs_us_ 56e34161e4b0b25c91820a08

    Oh, wait, don't tell me... the Huff Post is conservative now?

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not trustworthy.

    That is not a fact, that is an opinion. If you can find facts that back up your opinion, then you'd have more credibility.

    Wait, so you believe it is not a fact that she had a private server that she used for government correspondence? At least Jeff is smart enough not to
    argue that one... he only argues what was on it.

    Jeff and I both work/have worked for the government, so we both know that keeping government correspondence on non-government servers/media is a no-no.
    I sign documents saying I won't do such things as doing so is a breach of the citizen's trust that can get me fired or put in jail.

    I am certain that breaching trust is, by definition, untrustworthy.

    The documents I sign are pretty black and white. The definition of untrustworthy is readily available in any dictionary. I don't see an opinion there.

    So now I will wait for your message telling me that, as a former First Lady
    and SoS, she should be held to a lesser standard than Jeff or I when it
    comes to mishandling government information.

    And, yes, I do believe that Trump's mishandling casts a similar shadow on
    any political future he might have.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sat Sep 10 20:17:15 2022
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    Jeff got lost on his way to morals school, and missed the important lesson about: Don't put color to things, especially not skin color

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Sat Sep 10 20:36:39 2022
    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    I will still disagree with this one. Fox News wouldn't do anything that would help out us liberals, unless they had no other choice. Like if they were reporting on an attempted takeover of our country or something similar.

    Fox News is bait for the conservatives. The cable companies carry it.

    What's that tell you? Why would they own all of the media except for Fox?

    It's a communications protocol that the leftists are able to use with psychological conditioning. They have this so that they can brainwash conservative sheep in a subtle way. They aren't telling us "Vote against all Democrats because they're all monsters!" but they're telling us stuff like "There's gonna be a red wave. Democrats are expected to lose really bad."

    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    That's just 1 thing though. Who knows what else they're doing to us? Maybe
    Mike Lindell's pillows are made of asbestos? I'm not trusting them or their sponsors anymore.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Sep 11 10:32:00 2022
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok if I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sun Sep 11 22:41:11 2022
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's o I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.

    Good, and I'm glad, but I believe that this is their intention, and that it will work to some extent.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Mon Sep 12 07:58:54 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok if
    I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.

    But there are many who would.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Mon Sep 12 16:25:00 2022
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok i
    I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.

    But there are many who would.

    That is not good.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 14 08:19:44 2022
    On 09 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't hav comments section.
    Because racism is a conservative phenomenon. One of the core tenets o conservatives is preserving the traditional power structure, and the traditional power structure is racist.
    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote together to
    do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America out of
    the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.

    What brings you together, then?

    The leftists are the ones who are constantly talking about skin color. Nobody brought it up besides you.

    You brought up the racist comments on the Fox News website.

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the comment section sure do seem to appreciate it.
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their political beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.

    Who else watches Fox News?

    Peter Doocy's questions are idiotic. Also, remember Jim Acosta gettin his press credentials revoked for asking tough questions? Peter Doocy still there. That says everything about the difference between these administrations.
    Jim Acosta wasn't "asking tough questions." Jim Acosta was harrassing the president. Peter Doocy's questions don't seem idiotic to me. He's
    helping us log white house inconsistencies so that later we can reflect
    on all the dishonesty. That's gonna be a fun day.

    Or, he's harassing the President. It all depends on one's point of view.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 14 08:32:21 2022
    On 09 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim of an anti-semitic smear campaign?

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion the Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.

    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.

    That sounds more anti-semetic to me.

    I'm not saying the Israelis are inferior or evil in any way, other than in
    the way that we are all imperfect beings.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Rebecca Marie on Wed Sep 14 08:53:10 2022
    On 09 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...
    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.
    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.
    Wow! I think it's pretty amazing that you turned my short post into an opportunity to slag others. Bravo!

    Hang around long enough and you'll see what I mean.

    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted Engli and capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal
    I don't know why, but that made me giggle!

    Gregory is quite the character.

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 13 13:26:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of
    documents and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was

    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge information, documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by
    people that are not cleared to do so.

    running a personal server that housed government correspondence that he then destroyed with Bleach Bit.

    "Person X might've done this, but Person Y did something worse!" is a
    logical fallacy. As I tell my kiddos, "we aren't talking about what your sibling did, we are talking about what you did."


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 13 14:07:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    If you weren't within earshot of what Hillary said, or an eyewitness to
    what Hillary "did", then you are definitely listening to what others said.

    You are trying to answer what I said with something that is completely different. I said that you were listening/reading someone else's account of what happened since you said that you weren't listening to anyone else. You cited a source (Roque Planas), so you are listening to what *he* says is
    the most important parts of those pages in Hillary's memoir. But was planas said were most important *actually* the most important? You'd only know by reading the memoir itself.

    My guess is that you heard what Hllary "said, did and took credit for" straight from conservative-leaning media. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News?

    The Huffington Post is a good example that I have cited here multiple times. They cite her own memoirs which, as a autobiographical book, was

    Perfect, you directly refuted my statement and presented citations that reinforce your rebuttal. That is exactly how logical debates are supposed
    to be handled. Good job!

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not trustworthy.

    That is not a fact, that is an opinion. If you can find facts that back up your opinion, then you'd have more credibility.

    Mike, Mike, Mike. You apparently forgot the sentence that YOU WROTE? Let me re-quote it for you:

    "feeding right into the *fact* that she is not trustworthy."

    THAT is what I said is an opinion and not a fact.


    I am certain that breaching trust is, by definition, untrustworthy.

    The documents I sign are pretty black and white. The definition of untrustworthy is readily available in any dictionary. I don't see an opinion there.

    The definition according to Oxford is:

    trustAùworAùthy
    /Eˆtr™s(t)EŒw™rTIŸHŽ“/
    Learn to pronounce
    adjective
    able to be relied on as honest or truthful.
    "leave a spare key with a trustworthy neighbor"

    The opinion is about how you view something to be relied on. If someone
    tells white lies 10% of the time, but nothing but the truth otherwise, are
    they trustworthy? Isn't lying breaching trust? If a husband tells his wife
    that he is going to use $100 for groceries, but instead gambles it away, is
    he now untrustworthy, or did he just make a stupid mistake? You and I and
    the wife may have different answers to that question.

    So now I will wait for your message telling me that, as a former First Lady and SoS, she should be held to a lesser standard than Jeff or I
    when it comes to mishandling government information.

    You are making an argument against something that I did not say. I never
    said if I thought that Clinton having the email server was a good or bad
    thing, just that saying that she is "untrustworthy" is not a fact but an opinion, and that getting information from a second-hand source means that
    you are listening to others.

    As for my opinion, which has *nothing* to do with Trump taking classified documents when he left the White House, is that it was stupid and Hillary Clinton should have f**ing known better. Even if she never sent
    confidential information using that server, there was a possibility that it could have been used to do so.

    To me, that doesn't necessarily mean that she's untrustworthy, but she
    doesn't understand infosec best practices. Others disagree with my opinion,
    and feel that makes her untrustworthy. You can see that in the polling: Clinton's lead in the polls practically vanished after that story came out.

    But I digress.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 13 14:34:00 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    conservative sheep in a subtle way. They aren't telling us "Vote
    against all Democrats because they're all monsters!" but they're
    telling us stuff like "There's gonna be a red wave. Democrats are
    expected to lose really bad."

    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's
    ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok if I
    don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 14 18:39:11 2022
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent
    sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron say he
    doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim anti-semitic smear campaign?
    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel
    are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor
    in any opinion I have of him.

    Soros' reputation long preceded any accusations made by Israelis.

    You should look into them more closely.

    He could be an ultra-conservative Christian from the Southern US, for all I would know or care. I somehow suspect one of us would care, though.

    But he's not. And you're buying into the accusations against him without researching the source of those accusations.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion t Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.
    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.
    Could be, and could also be that his religion and ethnicity are an easy excuse for those who want to defend him.

    Or it could be that his religion and ethnicity got him the reputation you use to demonize him.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 14 18:46:41 2022
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of documents and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was
    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge informati documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by people that are not cleared to do so.
    Exactly. I have mentioned that as a reason that the government should have been moving much faster to get them back but, for some reason, did not. If he is as irresponsible as is claimed, he certainly cannot be trusted to not show those documents to others during the several months
    he has had them. Especially Russian someones.

    The government was moving to get them back, but they were dealing with an ex-President. Politics required them to do so with kid gloves. Look what happened when they *did* move to take back the documents without Trump's consent.

    running a personal server that housed government correspondence tha then destroyed with Bleach Bit.
    "Person X might've done this, but Person Y did something worse!" is a logical fallacy. As I tell my kiddos, "we aren't talking about what your sibling did, we are talking about what you did."
    Thanks to you, we were discussing the destruction of evidence in the
    form of government documents and information, which makes it on topic.
    Do you not also tell your kiddos, "If you don't want to talk about it don't bring it up?" Pretty sure my parents did.

    Where I work, government records have retention poilicies, based on the type
    of record that it is. My understanding is that the deleted documents should have been deleted the previous year but weren't, and then were deleted independent of the subpoena.

    If you want to go with "but they did it, too," both Ivanka and Jared kept government correspondence on private servers, until they were instructed not to. It seems strange that they wouldn't know about that rule after Trump's whole "Lock her up" campaign, but that's what happened.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but other than that to have done nothing wrong.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 14 18:48:44 2022
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we are expected to take your word for it.

    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in question is either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Sep 14 18:24:00 2022
    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent
    sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he
    doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim of an anti-semitic smear campaign?

    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot
    speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor in any
    opinion I have of him.

    He could be an ultra-conservative Christian from the Southern US, for all
    I would know or care. I somehow suspect one of us would care, though.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion the Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.

    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.

    Could be, and could also be that his religion and ethnicity are an easy
    excuse for those who want to defend him.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Wed Sep 14 18:29:00 2022
    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of documents and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was

    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge information, documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by
    people that are not cleared to do so.

    Exactly. I have mentioned that as a reason that the government should have been moving much faster to get them back but, for some reason, did not. If
    he is as irresponsible as is claimed, he certainly cannot be trusted
    to not show those documents to others during the several months he has had them. Especially Russian someones.

    running a personal server that housed government correspondence that he then destroyed with Bleach Bit.

    "Person X might've done this, but Person Y did something worse!" is a
    logical fallacy. As I tell my kiddos, "we aren't talking about what your sibling did, we are talking about what you did."

    Thanks to you, we were discussing the destruction of evidence in the form of government documents and information, which makes it on topic. Do you not
    also tell your kiddos, "If you don't want to talk about it don't bring it
    up?" Pretty sure my parents did.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Wed Sep 14 18:32:00 2022
    You are trying to answer what I said with something that is completely different. I said that you were listening/reading someone else's account of what happened since you said that you weren't listening to anyone else. You cited a source (Roque Planas), so you are listening to what *he* says is
    the most important parts of those pages in Hillary's memoir. But was planas said were most important *actually* the most important? You'd only know by reading the memoir itself.

    And, if you had read the article, you would know that was pretty difficult
    to do now, unless I can find it used. The part in question was selected
    for "abridgement" for some reason.

    Perfect, you directly refuted my statement and presented citations that reinforce your rebuttal. That is exactly how logical debates are supposed
    to be handled. Good job!

    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we
    are expected to take your word for it.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 15 21:09:31 2022
    Hello Mike,

    [..]

    Perfect, you directly refuted my statement and presented citations that
    reinforce your rebuttal. That is exactly how logical debates are supposed
    to be handled. Good job!

    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we
    are expected to take your word for it.

    Blow me.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 15 15:57:00 2022
    The government was moving to get them back, but they were dealing with an ex-President. Politics required them to do so with kid gloves. Look what happened when they *did* move to take back the documents without Trump's consent.

    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.

    Where I work, government records have retention poilicies, based on the type of record that it is. My understanding is that the deleted documents should have been deleted the previous year but weren't, and then were deleted independent of the subpoena.

    Are you allowed to keep them on a private server, where there is no
    "retention period" because they should not be there to begin with?

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but other than that to have done nothing wrong.

    That there was any evidence remaining of.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 15 15:58:00 2022
    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we are expected to take your word for it.

    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in question is either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.

    In past, you have told us that there is no such thing as "common sense," because of the "common" part of the phrase. If that is the case, I would
    argue that "common knowledge" is also non-existent.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 15 16:29:29 2022
    On 15 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The government was moving to get them back, but they were dealing with a ex-President. Politics required them to do so with kid gloves. Look what happened when they *did* move to take back the documents without Trump's consent.
    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.

    People, yourself included, have intimated that the search was politically motivated. However, they gave Trump multiple chances to come clean before
    they resorted to that. Had they gone straight to the search & seizure, I believe that the outcry would have been much greater and something major may very well have happened.

    Trump is right now threatening that very bad things will happen if he is indicted.

    Where I work, government records have retention poilicies, based on the of record that it is. My understanding is that the deleted documents sho have been deleted the previous year but weren't, and then were deleted independent of the subpoena.
    Are you allowed to keep them on a private server, where there is no "retention period" because they should not be there to begin with?

    No. But with the post-COVID work from home policies, some lines have become a bit more blurred. Am I allowed to keep such records on my work-issued laptop
    in my home? Yes. Are people who deal with paper-based records and work from home allowed to keep those records in their home? Yes, under lock and key.
    Are these records in our homes subject to records retention rules? Absolutely.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but other that to have done nothing wrong.
    That there was any evidence remaining of.

    Correct. And there is no evidence that the "missing" evidence to which you're alluding ever existed.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 15 16:30:48 2022
    On 15 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and ot we are expected to take your word for it.
    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in question either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.
    In past, you have told us that there is no such thing as "common sense," because of the "common" part of the phrase. If that is the case, I would argue that "common knowledge" is also non-existent.

    Common knowledge would encompass things like "Trump was the 45th President of the United States," etc. Things that no sane person would dispute.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 16 09:10:21 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff
    and ot
    we are expected to take your word for it.
    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in
    question
    either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.
    In past, you have told us that there is no such thing as "common
    sense,"
    because of the "common" part of the phrase. If that is the case, I
    would
    argue that "common knowledge" is also non-existent.

    Common knowledge would encompass things like "Trump was the 45th President of
    the United States," etc. Things that no sane person would dispute.

    And if Barack Obama runs and wins the next election we can then
    say Obama was the 44th President and is now the 47th President.

    God forbid Trump45 ever becomes Trump47.
    But what a contest it would be!

    Trump47 vs Obama47

    Of course, that will not happen.
    Kamala Harris will take care of that.
    Meaning we will all have to wait for

    Trump48 vs Obama48

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Sep 16 16:03:00 2022
    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.

    People, yourself included, have intimated that the search was politically motivated. However, they gave Trump multiple chances to come clean before they resorted to that. Had they gone straight to the search & seizure, I believe that the outcry would have been much greater and something major may very well have happened.

    Yes, "some people (including me) complained."

    Trump is right now threatening that very bad things will happen if he is indicted.

    You said that things had already happened.

    No. But with the post-COVID work from home policies, some lines have become a bit more blurred. Am I allowed to keep such records on my work-issued laptop in my home? Yes. Are people who deal with paper-based records and work from home allowed to keep those records in their home? Yes, under lock and key. Are these records in our homes subject to records retention rules? Absolutely.

    We are not allowed to keep Federal records in places such as work-issued laptops or in our homes. They have to stay on government owned servers and
    in goverment-owned (and marked!) file cabinets, and only certain servers
    and certain file cabinets. There have to be X number of levels of security
    one must pass through in order to physically access these servers and file-cabinets. Even when everyone was work-from-home full time, that was still the case.

    As the office of the SoS is a Federal office, I doubt the security on those articles was as loose as it apparently is in Texas with state data.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but othe
    that to have done nothing wrong.
    That there was any evidence remaining of.

    Correct. And there is no evidence that the "missing" evidence to which you're alluding ever existed.

    Secure deleting things from a server, using a product such as Bleach Bit,
    will not leave any such evidence.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 16 15:40:23 2022
    On 16 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.
    People, yourself included, have intimated that the search was politicall motivated. However, they gave Trump multiple chances to come clean befor they resorted to that. Had they gone straight to the search & seizure, I believe that the outcry would have been much greater and something major very well have happened.
    Yes, "some people (including me) complained."

    Yep.

    Trump is right now threatening that very bad things will happen if he is indicted.
    You said that things had already happened.

    No, I didn't. I said that the outcry would have been much greater had the DOJ gone straight to the search & seizure.

    No. But with the post-COVID work from home policies, some lines have bec bit more blurred. Am I allowed to keep such records on my work-issued la in my home? Yes. Are people who deal with paper-based records and work f home allowed to keep those records in their home? Yes, under lock and ke Are these records in our homes subject to records retention rules? Absolutely.
    We are not allowed to keep Federal records in places such as work-issued laptops or in our homes. They have to stay on government owned servers and in goverment-owned (and marked!) file cabinets, and only certain servers and certain file cabinets. There have to be X number of levels
    of security one must pass through in order to physically access these servers and file-cabinets. Even when everyone was work-from-home full time, that was still the case.

    Interesting.

    As the office of the SoS is a Federal office, I doubt the security on those articles was as loose as it apparently is in Texas with state data.

    Could be. Most of the "secrets" we deal with (although not myself personally) are related to personally identifiable information.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, bu othe
    that to have done nothing wrong.
    That there was any evidence remaining of.
    Correct. And there is no evidence that the "missing" evidence to which y alluding ever existed.
    Secure deleting things from a server, using a product such as Bleach Bit, will not leave any such evidence.

    There is no evidence that any of the deleted emails were confidential.
    Perhaps if the server had been infiltrated prior to the deletion, there might be copies of those emails. But none have turned up, despite Trump's very
    public request for Russia to assist in locating them.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sat Sep 17 00:14:08 2022
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim anti-semitic smear campaign?
    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel
    are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor
    in any opinion I have of him.

    The demonization of soros began with anti-semitists. Whether you consciously
    or unconsciously continue that demonization is irrelevant.

    He could be an ultra-conservative Christian from the Southern US, for all I would know or care. I somehow suspect one of us would care, though.

    The demonization of Soros has a history that you might want to make yourself aware of.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion t Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.
    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.
    Could be, and could also be that his religion and ethnicity are an easy excuse for those who want to defend him.

    Again, you might want to look into the history of the demonization of Soros.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 15 13:47:42 2022
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim anti-semitic smear campaign?

    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel
    are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor
    in any opinion I have of him.

    Yea, I had no idea, nor did I care that he's Jewish. I think Jeff was bullied by Christians when he was a kid, and now he wants revenge.

    My main problem with George Soros is that he's funding campaigns for district attorneys who refuse to prosecute. That bothers me. I also don't like how he's invested in 18 hispanic radio stations in an attempt to subjugate some of the 1.8 million+ illegal immigrants who have entered the country since Joe took office.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 15 12:24:52 2022
    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote together do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America out of the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.

    What brings you together, then?

    For the American people we want peace, safety, equality, and sovereignty. But
    I can only assume that other conservatives would agree with that statement.

    When you say "Preserve the traditional power structure," that sounds good to me. What is meant by that? Why does it seem racist to you? To me it sounds
    like "we're gonna remain a Democratic nation with a free market." But to you
    it means something different. What does it mean to you?


    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the com section sure do seem to appreciate it.
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their political beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.

    Who else watches Fox News?

    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mastered that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're the one committing
    the crime! ;) Good job!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 15 12:30:48 2022
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim
    of an anti-semitic smear campaign?

    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse them of. Some black people are guilty of the stuff that white supremacists accuse them of. Some white people are guilty of the stuff that Mexicans accuse them of.

    But just because George is "trying to use his wealth to rule the world"
    doesn't mean that Ben Stein is guilty of it too. Some people need to
    go straight to hell, and it doesn't matter what color or religion they are. Those are just crutches for (insane) people to cry about.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Thu Sep 15 12:53:37 2022
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It' ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok if I don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"

    Republicans are not organized enough to pull stunts like that. They know nothing about psychology, or about getting up off their butts.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 17 23:44:15 2022
    On 15 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote toge do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America o the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.
    What brings you together, then?
    For the American people we want peace, safety, equality, and
    sovereignty. But I can only assume that other conservatives would agree with that statement.

    So you do vote together, then.

    When you say "Preserve the traditional power structure," that sounds
    good to me. What is meant by that? Why does it seem racist to you? To me it sounds like "we're gonna remain a Democratic nation with a free market." But to you it means something different. What does it mean to you?

    It means, "keep whites in power."

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in th section sure do seem to appreciate it.
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their politi beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.
    Who else watches Fox News?
    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mastered
    that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're the one committing the crime! ;) Good job!

    Who is commenting on Fox News articles? It's not me. Nice try, but no.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Sep 17 23:51:35 2022
    On 15 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the vict of an anti-semitic smear campaign?
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Some black people are guilty of the stuff that white supremacists accuse them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Some white people are guilty of the stuff that Mexicans
    accuse
    them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    But just because George is "trying to use his wealth to rule the world" doesn't mean that Ben Stein is guilty of it too.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Some people need to
    go straight to hell, and it doesn't matter what color or religion they are. Those are just crutches for (insane) people to cry about.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 18 02:13:31 2022
    On 15 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."
    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok i don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"
    Republicans are not organized enough to pull stunts like that. They know nothing about psychology, or about getting up off their butts.

    So... we're down to the "Republicans are stupid" argument?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 18 13:31:23 2022
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their p beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.
    Who else watches Fox News?
    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mastered that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're the one committing the crime! ;) Good job!

    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narrative like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actions that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are very obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people are intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 18 13:43:51 2022
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 18 13:59:24 2022
    So... we're down to the "Republicans are stupid" argument?

    The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag.

    Republicans don't have any defense for propaganda; all they do is stand around with their thumbs up their asses. Leftists obviously have some sort of propaganda processing center; a place where they organize all of their
    efforts.

    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old times, where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democrats know better.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 20 07:15:53 2022
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know th beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuf
    Who else watches Fox News?
    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mas that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're th committing the crime! ;) Good job!
    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narrative like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actions
    that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are very obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people are intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.

    You yourself said that the comments sections of the Fox News website were filled with racist comments and that, in your opinion, the ability to comment should be removed.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 20 07:16:59 2022
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse the
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

    Do you not have any examples?

    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 20 07:26:46 2022
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So... we're down to the "Republicans are stupid" argument?
    The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag.

    As have the rightists in the past.

    Republicans don't have any defense for propaganda; all they do is stand around with their thumbs up their asses. Leftists obviously have some
    sort of propaganda processing center; a place where they organize all of their efforts.

    Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy into it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you are
    correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it has been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives
    caught between that and the center are not buying it.

    I don't know of any leftist propaganda clearing centers; as far as I can
    tell that's your paranoia speaking. There is reality, though, which you may have confused for a leftist propaganda machine.

    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old times, where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democrats know better.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 20 16:53:13 2022
    On 20 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narr like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actio that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are v obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.
    You yourself said that the comments sections of the Fox News website wer filled with racist comments and that, in your opinion, the ability to co should be removed.
    Considering that it is a comment section, and those are often filled with at least a few trolls, it is not a safe assumption that they are white or conservative or anything else.

    They have their own language. You can tell by the vocabulary, buzzwords, grammar, and vile threats who they are. They're right-wing extremists.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 20 17:07:51 2022
    On 20 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis acc th
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.
    Do you not have any examples?
    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?
    One of the things that Hitler claimed they were involved with is Communism. That is a very general belief to have about all members of
    the Jewish community. That said, back before WWI, there was indeed involvement by Jewish Germans in Communist activities. Some of them
    were also Zionists, who moved to Israel and settled there, setting up their communes in places which, in their mind, were "unclaimed lands."

    And that affects Germany how?

    So, some German Jews did indeed have Communist beliefs, which the Nazis incorrectly accused them all of having. So, the Nazis took a small truth and made a large falsehood out of it.

    True. In order to demonize Jews in general. But when someone says, yeah, some few of the Jews were communists, so the Nazis were right about some things, that's not a very good look.

    Back to the Zionists who left for Israel before WWI...
    These settlements caused a lot of friction with the native Jews, Muslims, and Christians. Back several years ago, there was a show on PBS about this period in history. The German (and other European) Jews took over lands that those natives had been using as their nomadic hearding lands and, of course, the Zionists also wanted the most fertile lands for themselves, leaving less desirable land for the natives. The Zionists
    also brought in muscle, sometimes in the form of Russian criminals, to keep the natives off of "their" land. This lead to some violent
    incidents between said muscle and the natives.

    That was also the time period of the spread of "The Protocols of the Elders
    of Zion," a Russian invention intended to turn people against the Jews. Interestingly, the Wikipedia article on "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" says this:

    "Pipes notes that the Protocols emphasizes recurring themes of conspiratorial antisemitism: 'Jews always scheme', 'Jews are everywhere', 'Jews are behind every institution', 'Jews obey a central authority, the shadowy 'Elders'', and 'Jews are close to success." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion)

    Which, if one were to replace "Jews" with "Leftists" and "Elders" with "the Elite" sounds quite surprisingly like Ron.

    At the time, that area was a part of the Ottoman Empire. As their power was waning, they had some difficulty keeping law and order in that area. There was eventually a movement to come to some peaceful resolution between the Zionists, the natives, and the government. WWI broke out
    and, with the Ottomans losing control of that area, this never happened.

    One things I took away from that special was that, despite being of different religions, the natives apparently got along pretty well up
    until the Zionist Europeans starting showing up in numbers.

    They wanted the return of what they saw as their homeland and, after WWII,
    got it. Courtesy of the U.S. of A.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 20 17:10:01 2022
    On 20 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old tim where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democr know better.
    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. The desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.
    And I called it...
    The other day, you were claiming that politicians on the whole were
    honest people who were not in it for the power, the money, or
    themselves. I pointed out that your views were naive and also would be different if we were qualifying "politician" with "Republican."

    I don't believe I would have said that about the likes of Trump, Gaetz, DeSantis, Abbott, Taylor-Greene, Boebert, Gohmert, etc.

    Perhaps I was referring to lower-level politicians, I don't remember.

    So here we are.

    Yep.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Sep 20 16:16:00 2022
    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narrative like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actions that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are very obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people are intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.

    You yourself said that the comments sections of the Fox News website were filled with racist comments and that, in your opinion, the ability to comment should be removed.

    Considering that it is a comment section, and those are often filled with
    at least a few trolls, it is not a safe assumption that they are white or conservative or anything else.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Sep 20 16:37:00 2022
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse th
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

    Do you not have any examples?

    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?

    One of the things that Hitler claimed they were involved with is Communism. That is a very general belief to have about all members of the Jewish community. That said, back before WWI, there was indeed involvement by
    Jewish Germans in Communist activities. Some of them were also Zionists,
    who moved to Israel and settled there, setting up their communes in places which, in their mind, were "unclaimed lands."

    So, some German Jews did indeed have Communist beliefs, which the Nazis incorrectly accused them all of having. So, the Nazis took a small truth
    and made a large falsehood out of it.

    Back to the Zionists who left for Israel before WWI...

    These settlements caused a lot of friction with the native Jews, Muslims,
    and Christians. Back several years ago, there was a show on PBS about this period in history. The German (and other European) Jews took over lands
    that those natives had been using as their nomadic hearding lands and, of course, the Zionists also wanted the most fertile lands for themselves,
    leaving less desirable land for the natives. The Zionists also brought in muscle, sometimes in the form of Russian criminals, to keep the natives off of "their" land. This lead to some violent incidents between said muscle and the natives.

    At the time, that area was a part of the Ottoman Empire. As their power
    was waning, they had some difficulty keeping law and order in that area.
    There was eventually a movement to come to some peaceful resolution between
    the Zionists, the natives, and the government. WWI broke out and, with the Ottomans losing control of that area, this never happened.

    One things I took away from that special was that, despite being of
    different religions, the natives apparently got along pretty well up until
    the Zionist Europeans starting showing up in numbers.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Sep 20 16:35:00 2022
    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old times, where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democrats know better.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.

    And I called it...

    The other day, you were claiming that politicians on the whole were honest people who were not in it for the power, the money, or themselves. I pointed out that your views were naive and also would be different if we were qualifying "politician" with "Republican."

    So here we are.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Sep 21 00:38:43 2022
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accus
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

    Do you not have any examples?

    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?

    Trying to rule the world. George Soros is trying it, and he's jewish.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Sep 21 00:58:03 2022
    Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy into
    it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you are correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it has been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it. Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy into
    it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you are correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it has been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it.

    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    I don't know of any leftist propaganda clearing centers; as far as I can tell that's your paranoia speaking. There is reality, though, which you may have confused for a leftist propaganda machine.

    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like George and Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.

    How do you know that? I feel like conservatives are unified. Nobody cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 21 12:59:50 2022
    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    It must be, Trump has no real successes.

    Unless you call impeachment (two of them), pleading the fifth, the insurrection and indictments success.

    I feel like conservatives are unified. Nobody cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

    Conservatives are unified alright.

    No more democracy.

    No more rights for women to make their own choice.

    No more law & order.

    The list goes on.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 21 22:05:45 2022
    No more rights for women to make their own choice.

    Al, that's ridiculous. We don't have that issue here. We have a federal gov
    and a state gov (don't you have a national gov plus a provincial gov?) Our national (federal we call it) gov has decided to back off the issue of
    abortion and let the states handle it as they please.

    No more democracy.

    It's much more democratic this way. Americans are diverse. People from California & Virginia are extreme *leftists* so they prefer to presereve a woman's right to murder her baby up until the day of birth. However, we've got our *rightest* (love that word) Americans in other areas who (democratically so) wish to restrict abortions. If you don't like it, then move to Virginia, and they'll let you murder it even after it's been born for a day.

    The list goes on.

    The propagation continues.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Sep 21 16:41:44 2022
    No more rights for women to make their own choice.

    Al, that's ridiculous.

    No, that's a fact.

    We don't have that issue here. We have a federal gov and a state gov (don't you have a national gov plus a provincial gov?) Our national (federal we
    call it) gov has decided to back off the issue of abortion and let the
    states handle it as they please.

    Sure, it's much the same here but we haven't tried to push the views of a minority on the majority. Such a thing is doomed to failure.

    No more democracy.

    It's much more democratic this way. Americans are diverse.

    It's much more democratic what way? But yes, Americans and Canadians and people of the world are very diverse.

    People from California & Virginia are extreme *leftists* so they prefer to presereve a woman's right to murder her baby up until the day of birth.

    Now that, is propaganda.

    However, we've got our *rightest* (love that word) Americans in other areas who (democratically so) wish to restrict abortions. If you don't like it, then move to Virginia, and they'll let you murder it even after it's been born for a day.

    It's not about murder, it never was. It's about a woman's right to choose for herself what to do in such a situation.

    The propagation continues.

    A woman in the US had this right up until an extremist SCOTUS over turned Roe V Wade a few short months ago. Today they do not (many of them). That's not propaganda. That is a fact.

    Roe V Wade was spoken of as settled law, a precedent. This issue alone could sink any party since it is wanted by a majority of the people.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 22 08:09:50 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    "It's amazing that so many people on the left are able to just ignore that which goes against their theories." -- Thomas Sowell

    How do you know that? I feel like conservatives are unified. Nobody
    cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

    A common enemy is great at unifying people.

    So I guess Sleepy Joe was right (even a stopped clock is right twice a day) about being a unifier.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 22 09:08:25 2022
    On 21 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk
    Do you not have any examples?
    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?
    Trying to rule the world. George Soros is trying it, and he's jewish.

    I see. And what evidence do you have that Soros is "trying to rule the
    world?" Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions. iHeartMedia (formerly Clear Channel Media) owns over 850 radio stations and was the primary carrier for the shows of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 22 09:16:09 2022
    On 21 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy in it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it. Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy in it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it.

    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    Good propaganda is a mixture of truth and lies.

    I don't know of any leftist propaganda clearing centers; as far as I tell that's your paranoia speaking. There is reality, though, which y may have confused for a leftist propaganda machine.
    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like George and Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.

    I see. And what evidence do you have that such a facility exists? There is none.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA ba with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing s
    How do you know that?

    It's playing out right in front of you. MTG is actively encouraging the
    ouster of McConnell, for one thing.

    I feel like conservatives are unified.

    That's not an opinion supported by the facts at hand.

    Nobody
    cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

    Just wait until it comes down to Trump or Romney (if that happens, which I doubt).

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thu Sep 22 16:42:00 2022
    We don't have that issue here. We have a federal gov and a state gov (don't you have a national gov plus a provincial gov?) Our national (federal we call it) gov has decided to back off the issue of abortion and let the states handle it as they please.

    Sure, it's much the same here but we haven't tried to push the views of a mino
    ty on the majority. Such a thing is doomed to failure.

    As Aaron pointed out, it is still readily available in places where the majority wants it to be so, and not in places where the majority does not.

    There were several years between the Roe v Wade decision and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to
    codify it into national law.

    No more democracy.
    It's much more democratic this way. Americans are diverse.
    It's much more democratic what way? But yes, Americans and Canadians and peopl
    of the world are very diverse.

    Last I checked, we still have a greater freedom of speech, expression, and especially to assemble than you do in Canada. When we assemble, our Prime Minister does not freeze our assets, for example.

    However, we've got our *rightest* (love that word) Americans in other areas who (democratically so) wish to restrict abortions. If you don't like it, then move to Virginia, and they'll let you murder it even after it's been born for a day.

    It's not about murder, it never was. It's about a woman's right to choose for rself what to do in such a situation.

    It is murder if they can do it after birth. I have not confirmed Aaron's suggestion that they can in Virginia, but California was considering
    allowing babies carried to term to be terminiated after birth. I did not
    keep track of how far that got.

    The propagation continues.

    A woman in the US had this right up until an extremist SCOTUS over turned Roe Wade a few short months ago. Today they do not (many of them). That's not prop
    anda. That is a fact.

    Roe V Wade was spoken of as settled law, a precedent. This issue alone could s
    k any party since it is wanted by a majority of the people.

    Being spoken of something does not make it so. Aaron speaks of Trump being good, but that does not make it so. You speak of all sorts of things that
    are not so, and sometimes you later claim not to have spoken them when you realize as much.

    There were several years between Roe v Wade and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law. That would have been a much better solution, if they wanted
    one, vs. a "spoken of" SCOTUS ruling.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Sep 22 21:21:50 2022
    I see. And what evidence do you have that Soros is "trying to rule the world?" Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions. iHeartMedia (formerly Clear Channel Media) owns over 850 radio stations and was the primary carrier for the shows of
    Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

    I agree that "Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions," but George played a huge role in Joe's campaign, joe began the importation service for 2 million hispanic illegals, millions more hispanic refugees from vacation countries, an entire prisonload of
    hispanic Honduran releasees.

    Ruling the free world, is what George is doing.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 23 12:31:43 2022
    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like George a Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.

    I see. And what evidence do you have that such a facility exists? There
    is none.

    The facility doesn't have to exist, there are other ways to communicate
    besides in-person meetings.

    They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MA with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty do
    How do you know that?

    It's playing out right in front of you. MTG is actively encouraging the ouster of McConnell, for one thing.

    Real conservatives know that MTG is a real problem and that Mitch Mcconnell being a problem is a leftist narrative. But that doesn't mean that we're not unified. Why is it important to leftists for conservatives to be divided? So that Fox News can brainwash us into voting against Trump in the primary?

    I feel like conservatives are unified.

    That's not an opinion supported by the facts at hand.

    What facts? You don't have "facts" about "division of conservatives."

    Just wait until it comes down to Trump or Romney (if that happens, which
    I doubt).

    That's all that matters to the leftists; "anything but Trump." Although I can ask any leftist "Why anybody but Trump?" and the best answer they can give is "because he was impeached!" or "because he said dead soldiers are losers!" or "because he beats his wife!"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 23 08:59:08 2022
    On 22 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I see. And what evidence do you have that Soros is "trying to rule th world?" Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions. iHeartMedia (formerly Clear Channel Media) own over 850 radio stations and was the primary carrier for the shows of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
    I agree that "Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions,"

    And yet, that's what you've been complaining about with regard to Soros.

    but George played a huge role in Joe's campaign,

    How big of a role, beyond funding?

    joe began the importation service for 2 million hispanic illegals, millions more hispanic refugees from vacation countries, an entire prisonload of hispanic Honduran releasees.

    What is your evidence for this breakdown?

    Ruling the free world, is what George is doing.

    I'm not seeing it. He helped a guy get elected, and that guy did some things you didn't like. That's not ruling the world.

    Here are the top contributors to Trump's 2016 campaign: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00023864

    Are they trying to rule the world? How is what they're doing any different
    from what Soros is doing?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Sep 23 09:29:23 2022
    On 23 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like Geo Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.
    I see. And what evidence do you have that such a facility exists? The is none.
    The facility doesn't have to exist, there are other ways to communicate besides in-person meetings.

    Sure, Democrats have strategy meetings, but so do Republicans. And just about every other group that relies on a strategy or set of strategies to get their job done.

    They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trump with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficul
    How do you know that?
    It's playing out right in front of you. MTG is actively encouraging t ouster of McConnell, for one thing.
    Real conservatives know that MTG is a real problem

    That does not refute my statement, but only lends it credence.

    Mitch
    Mcconnell being a problem is a leftist narrative.

    Somehow I don't think MTG, the prime purveyor of this narrative, is a leftist.

    But that doesn't mean
    that we're not unified. Why is it important to leftists for
    conservatives to be divided?

    A divided conservative base is good for liberals, just as a divided liberal base is good for conservatives. However, the current divided state of the conservative party is also just an observation.

    So that Fox News can brainwash us into
    voting against Trump in the primary?

    Keeping Trump out of the presidency would be good, yes, but Fox News' programming (which, if you'll recall, doesn't count because only cable subscribers watch it) is beyond the control of liberals.

    I feel like conservatives are unified.
    That's not an opinion supported by the facts at hand.
    What facts? You don't have "facts" about "division of conservatives."

    Sure I do. Here's just a taste: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-sees-internal-divides-broader-trump-note/st ory?id=83212895

    Just wait until it comes down to Trump or Romney (if that happens, wh I doubt).
    That's all that matters to the leftists; "anything but Trump."

    To a degree, yes. Trump cannot be allowed into office again.

    Although
    I can ask any leftist "Why anybody but Trump?" and the best answer they can give is "because he was impeached!" or "because he said dead
    soldiers are losers!" or "because he beats his wife!"

    Which "leftists" have you been asking? Trump is a liar, a cheat, and a thief;
    a criminal, corrupt AF anti-American who tried to stage a coup.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 23 12:57:24 2022
    There were several years between Roe v Wade and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law. That would have been a much better solution, if they wanted one, vs. a "spoken of" SCOTUS ruling.

    Yea, but that's not what the media says.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 22 16:01:00 2022
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge information, documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by people that are not cleared to do so.

    Exactly. I have mentioned that as a reason that the government should have been moving much faster to get them back but, for some reason, did

    It wasn't for "some reason", it was for a multitude of reasons. Some of
    which you pointed out yourself as a reason that Trump didn't do anything
    wrong (like saying that they were in the process of returning the
    documents). The Trump team stretched out the timeline as long as they
    could, until it got to the point where there was no choice but to go and
    take them.

    not. If he is as irresponsible as is claimed, he certainly cannot be trusted to not show those documents to others during the several months
    he has had them. Especially Russian someones.

    That is exactly right. Hooray, Mike, you finally got there!!!

    Thanks to you, we were discussing the destruction of evidence in the
    form of government documents and information, which makes it on topic.

    No, it doesn't. We are talking about a former President removing/destroying Presidential documents.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Sep 22 16:09:00 2022
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok if I don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"

    Republicans are not organized enough to pull stunts like that. They
    know nothing about psychology, or about getting up off their butts.

    Hmmm... It's possible you have a point there.... (:


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 23 11:18:34 2022
    As Aaron pointed out, it is still readily available in places where the majority wants it to be so, and not in places where the majority does not.

    That is not true, and it is not what we are talking about.

    There were several years between the Roe v Wade decision and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law.

    Yes, roe v wade is settled law and precedent for 40 or 50 years.

    https://youtu.be/Bjs-qO0N2ZI

    The issue is not about democrats codifying law. It was the law until a radical supreme court stepped all over it a few months ago.

    Last I checked, we still have a greater freedom of speech, expression, and especially to assemble than you do in Canada. When we assemble, our Prime Minister does not freeze our assets, for example.

    We are not talking about freedom but I have plenty of freedom in Canada and my assets have not been frozen.

    It is murder if they can do it after birth. I have not confirmed Aaron's suggestion that they can in Virginia, but California was considering
    allowing babies carried to term to be terminiated after birth. I did not keep track of how far that got.

    This is not what the pro-choice side is doing, it is another right wing talking point.

    Being spoken of something does not make it so.

    Are you suggesting that Roe V Wade was not considered to be precedent, or settled law?

    https://youtu.be/ks1skEKwlrk

    Aaron speaks of Trump being good, but that does not make it so.

    No, it doesn't.

    You speak of all sorts of things that are not so, and sometimes you later
    claim > not to have spoken them when you realize as much.

    Can you give me an example?

    There were several years between Roe v Wade and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law. That would have been a much better solution, if they wanted one, vs. a "spoken of" SCOTUS ruling.

    It would have been better but why would they do that?

    It seems today the republican party wants to (and is working on) a national abortion ban of some sort.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 23 16:26:25 2022
    And yet, that's what you've been complaining about with regard to Soros.

    That's because Soros' purchases are inline with Joe's border policies.

    but George played a huge role in Joe's campaign,

    How big of a role, beyond funding?

    Coordinated funding; using gold to elect multiple bad actors to work in collusion with one another.

    prisonload of hispanic Honduran releasees.

    What is your evidence for this breakdown?

    That's the latest I got from Fox News.

    Ruling the free world, is what George is doing.

    I'm not seeing it. He helped a guy get elected, and that guy did some things you didn't like. That's not ruling the world.

    George had lots of business plans that depended on Joe's success, and Joe has kept his end of the bargain. That probably gives George a rager, because now
    he will control and exploit a gigantic group of hispanic refugees (Not the world, but he's getting there!)

    Here are the top contributors to Trump's 2016 campaign: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00023864

    They all sound like American companies. What do you think they asked Trump to do in return?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 23 17:11:50 2022
    Sure, Democrats have strategy meetings, but so do Republicans. And just about every other group that relies on a strategy or set of strategies
    to get their job done.

    No, GOP officials do not strategize. They let tons of elections go unchallenged. They don't acknowledge that they are facing long-term defeat. They aren't doing jack to get our candidates elected other than squander few bucks from Home Depot. They don't have terror attacks or a virus to unleash
    in case of a dangerous leftie president. They don't have a backup plan for re-election. The GOP is basically not in service unless it's election day.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Sep 23 15:44:00 2022
    (If Al ever visits the USA, we'd better steer him away from any used car dealerships along the way!)

    Indeed. We would not want those used car dealers taking any of the money
    that is earmarked for the many internet princes he is probably supporting.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Fri Sep 23 16:51:00 2022
    Yes, roe v wade is settled law and precedent for 40 or 50 years. https://youtu.be/Bjs-qO0N2ZI
    The issue is not about democrats codifying law. It was the law until a radical
    upreme court stepped all over it a few months ago.

    We learned all about that in US History classes. I don't think you have a
    firm grasp on how things become law in the United States, or how court
    rulings work.

    The problem with such "laws" that you don't seem to understand was that it
    was decided by a court ruling. It was not EVER written into official law. "Laws" that are actually interpretation of law by court ruling can very
    much be overturned by later court rulings. This is not an unusual thing to happen.

    It does not matter how long ago the original ruling was decided, it is
    never, ever on solid ground until it is passed into LAW by Congress, and
    then until it passes the test of being Constitutional (something that would happen in the courts).

    The Democrats knew this could happen... they bring up how abortion could be overturned if they are not elected during EVERY election cycle. They never
    do anything when they can because then they could not keep using that
    threat to abortion rights during their campaigns.

    Last I checked, we still have a greater freedom of speech, expression, and especially to assemble than you do in Canada. When we assemble, our Prime Minister does not freeze our assets, for example.

    We are not talking about freedom but I have plenty of freedom in Canada and my
    ssets have not been frozen.

    BS, Al. You brought up the errosion of US democracy and freedom
    (specifically, to have an abortion). You then cut up the quotes above to make it look like we were "not talking about" it.

    It is murder if they can do it after birth. I have not confirmed Aaron's suggestion that they can in Virginia, but California was considering allowing babies carried to term to be terminiated after birth. I did not keep track of how far that got.

    This is not what the pro-choice side is doing, it is another right wing talkin
    point.

    No, it actually isn't. I looked it up. The problem comes from how the bill was originally written. It was written to remove all penalties for the
    outcome of a pregnacy, i.e. one that was terminated or where a baby is stillborn. However, as originally written, the language also removed all civil and criminal penalty and liability for "perinatal" death. "Perinatal" is defined as the period around childbirth -- 5 months before and 1 month after.

    That last bit is the important part. They meant to absolve anyone whose
    child dies of natural causes within the preinatal period. Because the
    language was vague, and did not specifically state what they meant by "perinatal" period, it left the door open for a court to interpret the law
    as including children that died from other non-natural causes during the
    first month after birth.

    Once the "California wants to make post-birth abortion legal" news started spreading, the legal team for the legislator who introduced the bill
    introduced amendments to close those potential loopholes/legal misinterpretations.

    Being spoken of something does not make it so.

    Are you suggesting that Roe V Wade was not considered to be precedent, or sett
    d law?

    https://youtu.be/ks1skEKwlrk

    Not at all, but being court precedent does not mean that the court cannot overturn it later. Making it LAW would have solved that issue, so long as
    the LAW was written in a manner that would allow it to stand up to the test
    of being Constitutional.

    "Settled laws" that are the result of court interpretations are only settled until they get overturned, which is not unusual.

    You speak of all sorts of things that are not so, and sometimes you later
    claim > not to have spoken them when you realize as much.

    Can you give me an example?

    I just did above, where you said "we are not talking about freedom..."

    There were several years between Roe v Wade and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law. That would have been a much better solution, if they wanted one, vs. a "spoken of" SCOTUS ruling.

    It would have been better but why would they do that?

    To make it official so that a later court ruling could not overturn it... which, guess what, happened! Plus, they always promise to, if elected, during EVERY election cycle.

    It seems today the republican party wants to (and is working on) a national ab
    tion ban of some sort.

    Could be, but it will have to stand the test of being Constitutional. If
    the Democrats had not wasted several opportunites to make it LAW, the Republican task of creating a ban would be much more difficult.


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Sat Sep 24 01:00:18 2022
    The issue is not about democrats codifying law. It was the law until a
    radical upreme court stepped all over it a few months ago.

    We learned all about that in US History classes. I don't think you have a firm grasp on how things become law in the United States, or how court rulings work.

    Yes, I understand.

    The problem with such "laws" that you don't seem to understand was that it was decided by a court ruling. It was not EVER written into official law. "Laws" that are actually interpretation of law by court ruling can very
    much be overturned by later court rulings. This is not an unusual thing to happen.

    Yes, the rights of people (including privacy rights) (including women) are constitutionaly guaranteed.

    It does not matter how long ago the original ruling was decided, it is
    never, ever on solid ground until it is passed into LAW by Congress, and
    then until it passes the test of being Constitutional (something that would happen in the courts).

    Laws were not written because they were not needed.

    The Democrats knew this could happen... they bring up how abortion could be overturned if they are not elected during EVERY election cycle. They never do anything when they can because then they could not keep using that
    threat to abortion rights during their campaigns.

    I suppose it wouldn't hurt to codify these laws if some believe women don't have privacy/abortion/human/health care rights.

    Last I checked, we still have a greater freedom of speech, expression, and >> > especially to assemble than you do in Canada. When we assemble, our Prime >> > Minister does not freeze our assets, for example.

    We are not talking about freedom but I have plenty of freedom in Canada and >> my assets have not been frozen.

    BS, Al.

    No BS. I am talking straight with you.

    You brought up the errosion of US democracy and freedom (specifically, to have an abortion). You then cut up the quotes above to make it look like we were "not talking about" it.

    Nope, I was not talking about the errosion of democracy or freedom. That was a spin you put into my words.

    I think the right in the US is a danger to democracy to be clear, but that is not what I am talking about here.

    This is not what the pro-choice side is doing, it is another right wing
    talkin point.

    No, it actually isn't. I looked it up. The problem comes from how the bill was originally written. It was written to remove all penalties for the outcome of a pregnacy, i.e. one that was terminated or where a baby is
    stillborn. However, as originally written, the language also removed all civi
    and criminal penalty and liability for "perinatal" death. "Perinatal" is defined as the period around childbirth -- 5 months before and 1 month after.

    No, that is not what the pro-choice side wants or is doing.

    That last bit is the important part. They meant to absolve anyone whose child dies of natural causes within the preinatal period. Because the language was vague, and did not specifically state what they meant by "perinatal" period, it left the door open for a court to interpret the law
    as including children that died from other non-natural causes during the first month after birth.

    Pregnacy and the natural death of a fetus are natural things. There is no need to write laws about it.

    Once the "California wants to make post-birth abortion legal" news started spreading, the legal team for the legislator who introduced the bill introduced amendments to close those potential loopholes/legal misinterpretations.

    I don't think Californians, democrats or anyone else wants "post-birth abortion" to be legal.

    I don't actually know where that comes from or what it actually means.

    Being spoken of something does not make it so.

    Are you suggesting that Roe V Wade was not considered to be precedent, or
    settled law?

    https://youtu.be/ks1skEKwlrk

    Not at all, but being court precedent does not mean that the court cannot overturn it later. Making it LAW would have solved that issue, so long as the LAW was written in a manner that would allow it to stand up to the test of being Constitutional.

    I guess so, since that is what has now happened.

    "Settled laws" that are the result of court interpretations are only settled until they get overturned, which is not unusual.

    You speak of all sorts of things that are not so, and sometimes you later
    claim not to have spoken them when you realize as much.

    Can you give me an example?

    I just did above, where you said "we are not talking about freedom..."

    I have clarified that for you now, I hope.

    It would have been better but why would they do that?

    To make it official so that a later court ruling could not overturn it... which, guess what, happened! Plus, they always promise to, if elected, during EVERY election cycle.

    What I am saying is that if Roe v Wade is settled law (precedent) as many have said then there isn't really a reason for law makers to codify any law.

    It seems today the republican party wants to (and is working on) a national >> abortion ban of some sort.

    Could be, but it will have to stand the test of being Constitutional. If
    the Democrats had not wasted several opportunites to make it LAW, the Republican task of creating a ban would be much more difficult.

    The democrats have not wasted anything. What is happening now is a waste.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 25 09:43:49 2022
    On 23 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    And yet, that's what you've been complaining about with regard to Sor
    That's because Soros' purchases are inline with Joe's border policies.

    Are they? What is being broadcast on these stations?

    but George played a huge role in Joe's campaign,
    How big of a role, beyond funding?
    Coordinated funding; using gold to elect multiple bad actors to work in collusion with one another.

    Bad actors in whose opinion? Have crimes been committed?

    prisonload of hispanic Honduran releasees.
    What is your evidence for this breakdown?
    That's the latest I got from Fox News.

    Ah. The same Fox News that "doesn't count" because it's only available to
    cable subscribers? The same Fox News that is secretly trying to brainwash conservatives? Do you have a link or anything?

    Ruling the free world, is what George is doing.
    I'm not seeing it. He helped a guy get elected, and that guy did some things you didn't like. That's not ruling the world.
    George had lots of business plans that depended on Joe's success, and because now he will control and exploit a gigantic group of hispanic refugees (Not the world, but he's getting there!)

    How does he plan to exploit these refugees rather than just, say, helping
    them?

    Here are the top contributors to Trump's 2016 campaign: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00023864
    They all sound like American companies. What do you think they asked
    Trump to do in return?

    Perhaps they had business plans that depended on Trump's success?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 25 10:00:08 2022
    On 23 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Sure, Democrats have strategy meetings, but so do Republicans. And ju about every other group that relies on a strategy or set of strategie to get their job done.
    No, GOP officials do not strategize.

    That's probably news to them.

    No, GOP officials do not strategize. They let tons of elections go unchallenged.

    So do Democrats. In some districts they are such underdogs that it's not
    worth running anyone. So they focus their efforts elsewhere. That's a
    strategy.

    They aren't doing jack to get our candidates elected other than
    squander few bucks from Home Depot.

    They have some crappy, indefensible candidates thanks to Trump's influence.
    The fact that they're not openly helping these candidates is more evidence of disunity in the GOP.

    They don't have terror attacks or a
    virus to unleash in case of a dangerous leftie president.

    Nice try at implying that the left caused COVID, but no. That's a lie.

    As far as terror attacks in case of a "dangerous leftie president," I think
    we only need to look back as far as January 6, 2021.

    They don't
    have a backup plan for re-election.

    What sorts of backup plans for re-election do you think they should have?

    The GOP is basically not in service
    unless it's election day.

    That's an interesting conclusion.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 25 20:24:49 2022
    And yet, that's what you've been complaining about with regard t
    That's because Soros' purchases are inline with Joe's border policies

    Are they? What is being broadcast on these stations?

    I don't listen to those stations, but how dumb can we be?

    If George had bought 18 hispanic restaurants, then I wouldn't be complaining.

    How big of a role, beyond funding?
    Coordinated funding; using gold to elect multiple bad actors to work collusion with one another.

    Bad actors in whose opinion? Have crimes been committed?

    I'm not taking anyone to court. The bad actors are Joe Biden & the liberal DAs like George Gascon. George Soros has yet to fund the campaign of a candidate who will help the American people. George ain't no philanthropist!

    prisonload of hispanic Honduran releasees.
    What is your evidence for this breakdown?
    That's the latest I got from Fox News.

    Ah. The same Fox News that "doesn't count" because it's only available to cable subscribers? The same Fox News that is secretly trying to brainwash conservatives? Do you have a link or anything?

    I was wrong about the nationality; it's a prison in Venezuela.

    George had lots of business plans that depended on Joe's success, and because now he will control and exploit a gigantic group of hispanic refugees (Not the world, but he's getting there!)

    How does he plan to exploit these refugees rather than just, say, helping them?

    It's not just "refugees," it's also millions of illegals and millions of legal hispanic speaking Americans. Unlike you, I don't know everything. So I speculate that he's going to use them like puppets in the race war that he's already started here. I predict that he'll encourage them to hate whites and blacks (that won't take much effort) and that the violence that ensues will help him elect more Democrats. "Re-elect Biden so he can fix the crime problem he created."

    They all sound like American companies. What do you think they asked Trump to do in return?

    Perhaps they had business plans that depended on Trump's success?

    Yea, "perhaps" is the key word. There's nothing obvious like there is with the Joe/George radio/migrant manipulation deal.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Sep 25 21:01:17 2022
    No, GOP officials do not strategize. They let tons of elections go unchallenged.

    So do Democrats. In some districts they are such underdogs that it's not worth running anyone. So they focus their efforts elsewhere. That's a strategy.

    While the NY GOP pats itself on the back, we've got 25+ upstate/conservative districts with Democrat state assembly & senate members running unopposed. The election chairs say dumb stuff like "We recruit in quality, not in quantity."

    The GOP strategy is: Help the Democrats retain power.

    They have some crappy, indefensible candidates thanks to Trump's influence. The fact that they're not openly helping these candidates is more evidence of disunity in the GOP.

    The party may be split on nominees, but whichever pos Republican they put on our ballot, we're gonna vote for it.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 25 22:54:44 2022
    On 25 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    And yet, that's what you've been complaining about with reg
    That's because Soros' purchases are inline with Joe's border pol
    Are they? What is being broadcast on these stations?
    I don't listen to those stations, but how dumb can we be?

    Dumb enough to assume what they're broadcasting without actually listening to it?

    If George had bought 18 hispanic restaurants, then I wouldn't be complaining.

    You are assuming that all Spanish-speakers are illegal immigrants.

    How big of a role, beyond funding?
    Coordinated funding; using gold to elect multiple bad actors to collusion with one another.
    Bad actors in whose opinion? Have crimes been committed?
    I'm not taking anyone to court. The bad actors are Joe Biden & the
    liberal DAs like George Gascon. George Soros has yet to fund the
    campaign of a candidate who will help the American people. George ain't
    no philanthropist!

    That's a matter of opinion. Democrat electees do help the American people,
    just not in the way that conservatives approve of.

    prisonload of hispanic Honduran releasees.
    What is your evidence for this breakdown?
    That's the latest I got from Fox News.
    Ah. The same Fox News that "doesn't count" because it's only availabl cable subscribers? The same Fox News that is secretly trying to brain conservatives? Do you have a link or anything?
    I was wrong about the nationality; it's a prison in Venezuela.

    Evidence?

    George had lots of business plans that depended on Joe's success because now he will control and exploit a gigantic group of hisp refugees (Not the world, but he's getting there!)
    How does he plan to exploit these refugees rather than just, say, hel them?
    It's not just "refugees," it's also millions of illegals and millions of legal hispanic speaking Americans.

    "Hispanic speaking Americans." I see.

    Unlike you, I don't know everything.

    I don't claim to know everything. But I do attempt to verify things.

    So I speculate that he's going to use them like puppets in the race war that he's already started here. I predict that he'll encourage them to hate whites and blacks (that won't take much effort) and that the
    violence that ensues will help him elect more Democrats. "Re-elect Biden so he can fix the crime problem he created."

    Well, there's your problem. You're speculating based on... nothing.

    They all sound like American companies. What do you think they a Trump to do in return?
    Perhaps they had business plans that depended on Trump's success?
    Yea, "perhaps" is the key word. There's nothing obvious like there is
    with the Joe/George radio/migrant manipulation deal.

    No?

    You are aware that when struggling radio stations are taken over by another company, they frequently change formats to address that, right?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Sep 25 23:02:02 2022
    On 25 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    No, GOP officials do not strategize. They let tons of elections unchallenged.
    So do Democrats. In some districts they are such underdogs that it's worth running anyone. So they focus their efforts elsewhere. That's a strategy.
    While the NY GOP pats itself on the back, we've got 25+ upstate/conservative districts with Democrat state assembly & senate members running unopposed. The election chairs say dumb stuff like "We recruit in quality, not in quantity."

    That's a strategy.

    The GOP strategy is: Help the Democrats retain power.

    The GOP strategy is: Win where we can and don't waste resources elsewhere.

    They have some crappy, indefensible candidates thanks to Trump's influence. The fact that they're not openly helping these candidates more evidence of disunity in the GOP.
    The party may be split on nominees, but whichever pos Republican they
    put on our ballot, we're gonna vote for it.

    I don't doubt that for a second.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Sep 26 12:24:25 2022
    I don't listen to those stations, but how dumb can we be?

    Dumb enough to assume what they're broadcasting without actually
    listening to it?

    George has an agenda. At the top of that agenda is: Destroy the USA.

    So maybe he'll use his radio stations to encourage racial harmony? (Nope!)

    If George had bought 18 hispanic restaurants, then I wouldn't be complaining.

    You are assuming that all Spanish-speakers are illegal immigrants.

    I don't know what you mean, but what I'm saying here is that purchasing restaurants doesn't help a person rule the world, but purchasing radio
    stations *does* help with that.

    That's a matter of opinion. Democrat electees do help the American
    people, just not in the way that conservatives approve of.

    What are the Democrats helping us with lately?

    I was wrong about the nationality; it's a prison in Venezuela.

    Evidence?

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-sound-alarm-report-venezuela sending-violent-criminals-us-border

    Since 2 of the (former) prisoners are American citizens, the openly leftist news outlets describe this as "2 American citizens were freed from a
    Venezuelan prison."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Sep 26 12:38:55 2022
    While the NY GOP pats itself on the back, we've got 25+ upstate/conservative districts with Democrat state assembly & senate members running unopposed. The election chairs say dumb stuff like "W recruit in quality, not in quantity."

    That's a strategy.

    It's a lie. Ask any conservative if they're concerned about the "quality" of their Republican state officials. (So concerned that they're willing to elect
    a Democrat instead, because the quality of the Republican was just so low.)

    The GOP strategy is: Help the Democrats retain power.

    The GOP strategy is: Win where we can and don't waste resources
    elsewhere.

    That's exactly what the RINO committee chairs say. But they say that to us because they think we're stupid. We're not. We know that upstate NY is a conservative region. We know this because we have Republican mayors, county executives, and US house members. You won't find many Democrat yard signs throughout upstate.

    The committee chairs are abusing their power to keep the state government Democrat. I complained to the NY GOP (at least twice) and they never
    responded. (They hope that I'll just quiet down and go away.)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Mon Sep 26 17:11:00 2022
    but George played a huge role in Joe's campaign,
    How big of a role, beyond funding?
    Coordinated funding; using gold to elect multiple bad actors to work in collusion with one another.

    Bad actors in whose opinion? Have crimes been committed?

    Since we are talking about Soros, he is a convicted insider trader (France, 2006, in a ruling later upheld by the EU). I would be skeptical of anyone convicted of securities violations, or that has been known to manipulate currency markets, donating large sums to any US political campaigns,
    Democrat or Republican, for fear that they would be hoping the politician in question would look the other way while they did the same here.

    Soros was one of the largest donors to the Biden 2020 election campaign
    (New York Times, July, 2020).


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Mon Sep 26 23:30:35 2022
    Bad actors in whose opinion? Have crimes been committed?

    Since we are talking about Soros, he is a convicted insider trader (France, 2006, in a ruling later upheld by the EU). I would be

    That sounds like a kind of guy who lefties would love to pal around with.

    The other Biden campaign donors are probably total sleazebags with horrible agendas also.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 27 07:26:41 2022
    On 26 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Bad actors in whose opinion? Have crimes been committed?
    Since we are talking about Soros, he is a convicted insider trader (France, 2006, in a ruling later upheld by the EU). I would be
    skeptical of anyone convicted of securities violations, or that has been known to manipulate currency markets, donating large sums to any US political campaigns, Democrat or Republican, for fear that they would be hoping the politician in question would look the other way while they
    did the same here.

    The Texas Attorney General, Ken Paxton, has been under indictment for securities fraud for seven years. He's up for re-election in the midterms and
    I hope he loses, but doubt he will.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 27 07:33:08 2022
    On 26 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I don't listen to those stations, but how dumb can we be?
    Dumb enough to assume what they're broadcasting without actually listening to it?
    George has an agenda. At the top of that agenda is: Destroy the USA.

    That is your unfounded speculation.

    So maybe he'll use his radio stations to encourage racial harmony?
    (Nope!)

    Or maybe his companies have made investments to increase profits?

    If George had bought 18 hispanic restaurants, then I wouldn't be complaining.
    You are assuming that all Spanish-speakers are illegal immigrants.
    I don't know what you mean, but what I'm saying here is that purchasing restaurants doesn't help a person rule the world, but purchasing radio stations *does* help with that.

    You don't even know what's being broadcast on these radio stations. You're
    just running around screaming like Chicken Little.

    That's a matter of opinion. Democrat electees do help the American people, just not in the way that conservatives approve of.
    What are the Democrats helping us with lately?

    Infrastructure improvements and, to be honest, general stability.

    I was wrong about the nationality; it's a prison in Venezuela.
    Evidence?
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-sound-alarm-report-vene sending-violent-criminals-us-border

    Ah. Fox News again. Only available to cable subscribers and also secret liberals, right? At any rate, if they're being tracked, they can be
    identified.

    Since 2 of the (former) prisoners are American citizens, the openly leftist news outlets describe this as "2 American citizens were freed
    from a Venezuelan prison."

    What were their crimes? Certainly that should play a role. It's certainly not unheard of for political prisoners to end up in, well, prison.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 27 07:44:13 2022
    On 26 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    While the NY GOP pats itself on the back, we've got 25+ upstate/conservative districts with Democrat state assembly & se members running unopposed. The election chairs say dumb stuff li recruit in quality, not in quantity."
    That's a strategy.
    It's a lie. Ask any conservative if they're concerned about the
    "quality" of their Republican state officials. (So concerned that
    they're willing to elect a Democrat instead, because the quality of the Republican was just so low.)

    I don't think they see "quality" in the same way that you do. I think they equate "quality" with "electability." That you are disenchanted with the quality is more of a function of Trump pushing the GOP to the far-right than anything else, because that's what's driving these low-quality candidates.
    The GOP is trying to do what they can with what they have to work with,
    though. I mean, face it: Reagan would almose certainly be considered a "RINO" in today's GOP, with the Bushes not far behind him.

    The GOP strategy is: Help the Democrats retain power.
    The GOP strategy is: Win where we can and don't waste resources elsewhere.
    That's exactly what the RINO committee chairs say. But they say that to
    us because they think we're stupid. We're not. We know that upstate NY
    is a conservative region. We know this because we have Republican
    mayors, county executives, and US house members. You won't find many Democrat yard signs throughout upstate.

    Perhaps it's not as conservative as you think it is.

    The committee chairs are abusing their power to keep the state government Democrat. I complained to the NY GOP (at least twice) and they never responded. (They hope that I'll just quiet down and go away.)

    Any intention of the GOP to retaim Democrat control in areas they could otherwise dominate is ludicrous. Those are Congressional seats, after all,
    and they need as many as they can get. I think it much more likely that there is a flaw somewhere in your theory.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Sep 27 16:38:21 2022
    George has an agenda. At the top of that agenda is: Destroy the USA.

    That is your unfounded speculation.

    This assumption was founded when all these crimes started going un-prosecuted.

    So maybe he'll use his radio stations to encourage racial harmony? (Nope!)

    Or maybe his companies have made investments to increase profits?

    Investing in someone else's misery is a despicable thing to do. George is a depicable man.

    You don't even know what's being broadcast on these radio stations.
    You're just running around screaming like Chicken Little.

    Conservative (hispanic) journalist Lourdes Ubieta resigned from her job following the takeover, and she didn't do that out of insane paranoia, she did it because she knows that it would be idiotic to expect George to sign her paychecks while all she does all day is trash leftists. Do you think George would like to pay for that rhetoric to air on his stations?

    If George Soros purchased Fox News, there would be no re-branding of Tucker Carlson; he'd have to hit the road.

    What are the Democrats helping us with lately?

    Infrastructure improvements and, to be honest, general stability.

    That's sad. Doesn't even sound appealing. Investments aren't being made into the things that humans in this country need. Even after 2 huge spending bills, there's still no virus, migrant, or flood preparedness investments. And the student loan forgiveness is nowhere to be found for student still making payments.

    Since 2 of the (former) prisoners are American citizens, the openly leftist news outlets describe this as "2 American citizens were freed from a Venezuelan prison."

    What were their crimes? Certainly that should play a role. It's
    certainly not unheard of for political prisoners to end up in, well, prison.

    You're zooming-in on the wrong aspect: The openly leftist media refuses to
    tell the American people that a whole prisonful of relasees are en route to the Texas border; instead of telling their dummies about that story, they instead tell them "2 Americans were released from a Venezuelan prison!" That's the leftist's shortened version of the truth.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tue Sep 27 17:00:59 2022
    Any intention of the GOP to retaim Democrat control in areas they could otherwise dominate is ludicrous. Those are Congressional seats, after
    all, and they need as many as they can get. I think it much more likely that there is a flaw somewhere in your theory.

    I live in Binghamton NY. Trump won both elections here. We have a Republican mayor who recently succeeded another Republican mayor who left because of the term limit. We have Republican mayors in neighboring cities. We have a Republican state senator. We are represented by a Republican US house member. And we have a Democrat state assemblywoman who's ran unopposed for the past several elections. That doesn't add up.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 27 18:05:33 2022
    On 27 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    George has an agenda. At the top of that agenda is: Destroy the
    That is your unfounded speculation.
    This assumption was founded when all these crimes started going un-prosecuted.

    What crimes?

    So maybe he'll use his radio stations to encourage racial harmon (Nope!)
    Or maybe his companies have made investments to increase profits?
    Investing in someone else's misery is a despicable thing to do. George
    is a depicable man.

    Actually, I've looked into this. Soros didn't buy the stations. Lakestar Finance, an investment group associated with Soros, funded the acquisitions
    by the Latino Media Network, along with a number of Latino investors.

    TelevisaUnivision put the stations up for sale, and anyone could have bought them. The most contentious stations to be part of the sale are WQBA and WAQI, both in Miami and both popular with conservative Cuban American exiles. However, said conservative Cuban American exiles appear to have made no
    effort to buy the stations themselves. They just sort of insist that any new buyer(s) shouldn't change "their" stations.

    The sale also has to be approved by the FCC, which could take some time. The stations are a mixture of AM and FM stations.

    The Latino Media Network's website says:
    "Latino Media Network is a media company serving the Latino community by helping us make sense of the world and their place in it. We will inspire, inform and celebrate Latinos through an audio focused multimedia network,
    owned and operated by members of our community. We will focus on content creation across a variety of culturally relevant subjects and help our community navigate the ocean of information that exists in our society. The network will create cultural pride by telling our stories, addressing our concerns and talking about opportunities for a better future."

    Lakestar Funding is primarily a European-based group who self-profess a "mission to find and fund visionary tech entrepreneurs, enabling the ideas
    and the companies capable of shaping global modern life."

    I mentioned earlier a network of radio stations know as the Sun Network.
    Aside from being solar-powered, they focus on the music and culture of Texas.
    I don't see that as being much different from focusing on the music and cultures of American Latinos.

    You don't even know what's being broadcast on these radio stations. You're just running around screaming like Chicken Little.
    Conservative (hispanic) journalist Lourdes Ubieta resigned from her job following the takeover,

    The takeover is not complete, and still requires approval by the FCC. That process could last well into 2023.

    and she didn't do that out of insane paranoia,

    Or did she?

    she did it because she knows that it would be idiotic to expect George
    to sign her paychecks while all she does all day is trash leftists.

    Soros won't own the stations. The Latino Media Network has been funded by Lakestar Finance and many other investors so that they can buy the stations. Far from paying the paychecks of radio station employees, these venture capitalists expect to be paid back for their investment.

    Do
    you think George would like to pay for that rhetoric to air on his stations?

    They aren't Soros' stations.

    If George Soros purchased Fox News, there would be no re-branding of Tucker Carlson; he'd have to hit the road.

    True, but Soros didn't purchase any radio stations. He, along with many
    others, are investors in the stations.

    What are the Democrats helping us with lately?
    Infrastructure improvements and, to be honest, general stability.
    That's sad. Doesn't even sound appealing. Investments aren't being made into the things that humans in this country need. Even after 2 huge spending bills, there's still no virus, migrant, or flood preparedness investments. And the student loan forgiveness is nowhere to be found for student still making payments.

    It's still early. Some investments are being made, and more are scheduled for the future.

    Since 2 of the (former) prisoners are American citizens, the ope leftist news outlets describe this as "2 American citizens were from a Venezuelan prison."
    What were their crimes? Certainly that should play a role. It's certainly not unheard of for political prisoners to end up in, well, prison.
    You're zooming-in on the wrong aspect: The openly leftist media refuses
    to tell the American people that a whole prisonful of relasees are en route to the Texas border; instead of telling their dummies about that story, they instead tell them "2 Americans were released from a
    Venezuelan prison!" That's the leftist's shortened version of the truth.

    I've read about the releasees. Apparently they are being tracked as they head for the US. If they're being tracked, they can be identified.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 27 18:08:18 2022
    On 27 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Any intention of the GOP to retaim Democrat control in areas they cou otherwise dominate is ludicrous. Those are Congressional seats, after all, and they need as many as they can get. I think it much more like that there is a flaw somewhere in your theory.
    I live in Binghamton NY. Trump won both elections here. We have a Republican mayor who recently succeeded another Republican mayor who
    left because of the term limit. We have Republican mayors in neighboring cities. We have a Republican state senator. We are represented by a Republican US house member. And we have a Democrat state assemblywoman who's ran unopposed for the past several elections. That doesn't add up.

    Districts for state officials are not the same as districts for federal officials. Perhaps there's some demographic difference between the two.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 27 18:19:32 2022
    On 27 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The Texas Attorney General, Ken Paxton, has been under indictment for securities fraud for seven years. He's up for re-election in the midterm I hope he loses, but doubt he will.
    That is not a good look for the state's top lawyer.

    Nope, and the latest news is that he fled his home to avoid being served with
    a subpoena: https://www.kvue.com/video/news/state/texas-news/ken-paxton-fled-his-home-avoid -a-subpoena/269-15c949df-d7c6-4325-b009-c396eb497832 (https://tinyurl.com/43mzvcbk)

    But, that's who the GOP wants in office, so...

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 27 18:30:20 2022
    On 27 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    A lot of what he is known to have done, and has even admitted to, was apparently not criminal even though it sounds like it should be.
    He was found guilty, in a French court, of being an insider trader. He appealed to the EU which upheld the verdict but also lowered the fine.
    He still maintains that what he did was not wrong. That part might
    should bother people because it makes it more likely that he'd do it again.

    Has he done it again? Soros does not maintain that what he did was not wrong; he maintains that the French law is vague enough to be confusing. The appeals court agreed that it was confusing, lowering the fine, but said that Soros' experience should have made him aware that it was wrong.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tue Sep 27 18:31:19 2022
    On 27 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    What are the Democrats helping us with lately?
    Infrastructure improvements and, to be honest, general stability.
    Stability? A world where Russia is threatening the US and NATO with
    nukes is stable? I don't remember them doing that in quite a while.
    This is probably the first time in a while that they've seen the US (or more specifically, their leader) as weak.

    Yeah, but at least we don't have an unpredictable madman at the helm.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Sep 27 16:57:00 2022
    On 26 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Bad actors in whose opinion? Have crimes been committed?
    Since we are talking about Soros, he is a convicted insider trader (France, 2006, in a ruling later upheld by the EU). I would be skeptical of anyone convicted of securities violations, or that has been known to manipulate currency markets, donating large sums to any US political campaigns, Democrat or Republican, for fear that they would be hoping the politician in question would look the other way while they did the same here.

    The Texas Attorney General, Ken Paxton, has been under indictment for securities fraud for seven years. He's up for re-election in the midterms and I hope he loses, but doubt he will.

    That is not a good look for the state's top lawyer.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Sep 27 17:06:00 2022
    Dumb enough to assume what they're broadcasting without actually listening to it?

    George has an agenda. At the top of that agenda is: Destroy the USA.

    Or remake it into what he wants. If he wanted to destroy it, he could just quietly manipulate a currency market like he did for Britian a few years
    back.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Sep 27 17:16:00 2022
    George has an agenda. At the top of that agenda is: Destroy the USA.

    That is your unfounded speculation.

    This assumption was founded when all these crimes started going un-prosecuted.

    A lot of what he is known to have done, and has even admitted to, was apparently not criminal even though it sounds like it should be.

    He was found guilty, in a French court, of being an insider trader. He appealed to the EU which upheld the verdict but also lowered the fine. He still maintains that what he did was not wrong. That part might should
    bother people because it makes it more likely that he'd do it again.

    Or maybe his companies have made investments to increase profits?

    Investing in someone else's misery is a despicable thing to do. George is a depicable man.

    He has invested in the misery of others for sure. When he broke the Bank
    of England, he gave reasons that he thought it was justified -- that the
    BoE needed to be taught a lesson. Never mind any of the citizens of the UK
    and elsewhere whose wellbeing depended on the value of the Pound not
    dropping like a rock.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tue Sep 27 19:13:00 2022
    What are the Democrats helping us with lately?

    Infrastructure improvements and, to be honest, general stability.

    Stability? A world where Russia is threatening the US and NATO with nukes
    is stable? I don't remember them doing that in quite a while. This is probably the first time in a while that they've seen the US (or more specifically, their leader) as weak.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wed Sep 28 02:44:33 2022
    George has an agenda. At the top of that agenda is: Destroy
    That is your unfounded speculation.
    This assumption was founded when all these crimes started going un-prosecuted.

    What crimes?

    "Among the crimes Bragg said his office would not prosecute: marijuana misdemeanors, including selling more than three ounces; not paying public transportation fare; trespassing except a fourth degree stalking charge, resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration in certain cases,
    and prostitution." (CNN)

    Actually, I've looked into this. Soros didn't buy the stations. Lakestar Finance, an investment group associated with Soros, funded the acquisitions by the Latino Media Network, along with a number of Latino investors.

    You're good at finding alternative facts. So these stories are all fake then:

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/07/21/george-soros-and-the-leftist-takeover-of 18-spanish-language-radio-stations/

    https://calleochonews.com/george-soros-tied-to-latino-media-network/

    https://amac.us/why-is-a-soros-backed-conglomerate-snatching-up-latino-media-st tions/

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/group-high-profile-latinos-makes-60m-cash-d al-buy-18-radio-stations-rcna31895

    Whatever name the business is operating under, it's affiliated with George Soros. It would be like having Lara Trump purchase MSNBC and then saying "It's not Donald Trump, it's Lara Trump, so it's all good."

    "Latino Media Network is a media company serving the Latino community by helping us make sense of the world and their place in it. We will inspire, inform and celebrate Latinos through an audio focused
    multimedia network, owned and operated by members of our community. We will focus on content creation across a variety of culturally relevant subjects and help our community navigate the ocean of information that exists in our society. The network will create cultural pride by
    telling our stories, addressing our concerns and talking about opportunities for a better future."

    Yep, that sounds like a George Soros inspired narrative. Let the propagation begin!

    Soros won't own the stations. The Latino Media Network has been funded by Lakestar Finance and many other investors so that they can buy the stations. Far from paying the paychecks of radio station employees,
    these venture capitalists expect to be paid back for their investment.

    It's Soros affiliated. Don't expect much conservative talk on a Soros-affiliated talk show.

    It's still early. Some investments are being made, and more are
    scheduled for the future.

    "The check is in the mail."

    I've read about the releasees. Apparently they are being tracked as they head for the US. If they're being tracked, they can be identified.

    Tracked & identified for what? It's not illegal to be a prison releasee. And since when do we care if our migrants have criminal records? Global warming is what caused them to commit their crimes in the first place. The real crime is that of the white male Americans releasing all those CFCs into the atmosphere.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 28 02:55:43 2022
    He has invested in the misery of others for sure. When he broke the Bank of England, he gave reasons that he thought it was justified -- that the BoE needed to be taught a lesson. Never mind any of the citizens of the UK and elsewhere whose wellbeing depended on the value of the Pound not dropping like a rock.

    Sure, but "technically" he's a great guy ;)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Sep 27 23:33:24 2022
    On 28 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    What crimes?
    "Among the crimes Bragg said his office would not prosecute: marijuana misdemeanors, including selling more than three ounces; not paying public transportation fare; trespassing except a fourth degree stalking charge, resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration in certain cases, and prostitution." (CNN)

    That sounds like prosecutorial discretion, which has been around forever.

    Actually, I've looked into this. Soros didn't buy the stations. Lakes Finance, an investment group associated with Soros, funded the acquisitions by the Latino Media Network, along with a number of Lati investors.
    You're good at finding alternative facts. So these stories are all fake then: https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/07/21/george-soros-and-the-leftist-takeov 18-spanish-language-radio-stations/

    Page Not Found.

    https://calleochonews.com/george-soros-tied-to-latino-media-network/

    That doesn't say anything different from what I have. "The Latino Media
    Network company is funded with George Soros money through an investment firm known as the Lakestar Finance LLC. It has also gained the support of several prominent business leaders, media personalities, and public figures as
    advisors and directors. Actress Eva Longoria, journalist Mara Elena Salinas, and Christy Haubegger, creator of Latina magazine and present WarnerMedia executive, are among the Latinas on their list."

    https://amac.us/why-is-a-soros-backed-conglomerate-snatching-up-latino-med tions/

    Page not found...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/group-high-profile-latinos-makes-60m-c al-buy-18-radio-stations-rcna31895

    "A long string of Latinos are investors in the purchase, which still requires Federal Communications Commission approval. Not all are Democrats."

    "The money includes a loan from Lakestar Finance LLC, an investment firm associated with liberal billionaire George Soros."

    Not different from what I said.

    Whatever name the business is operating under, it's affiliated with
    George Soros. It would be like having Lara Trump purchase MSNBC and then saying "It's not Donald Trump, it's Lara Trump, so it's all good."

    Uh, no. Soros is but one of a number of investors.

    "Latino Media Network is a media company serving the Latino community helping us make sense of the world and their place in it. We will inspire, inform and celebrate Latinos through an audio focused multimedia network, owned and operated by members of our community. will focus on content creation across a variety of culturally relevan subjects and help our community navigate the ocean of information tha exists in our society. The network will create cultural pride by telling our stories, addressing our concerns and talking about opportunities for a better future."
    Yep, that sounds like a George Soros inspired narrative. Let the propagation begin!

    So pro-Latino is Soros-inspired. Noted.

    Soros won't own the stations. The Latino Media Network has been funde Lakestar Finance and many other investors so that they can buy the stations. Far from paying the paychecks of radio station employees, these venture capitalists expect to be paid back for their investment
    It's Soros affiliated. Don't expect much conservative talk on a Soros-affiliated talk show.

    The stations in question are primarily music-, sports-, and entertainment-oriented. That pro-Latino means anti-conservation is purely an Aaron Thomas interpretation.

    It's still early. Some investments are being made, and more are scheduled for the future.
    "The check is in the mail."

    Nothing is certain yet, although I can think of no reason why the FCC would oppose the purchase.

    I've read about the releasees. Apparently they are being tracked as t head for the US. If they're being tracked, they can be identified.
    Tracked & identified for what? It's not illegal to be a prison releasee.

    A prison record can be a deterrent to asylum.

    Global
    warming is what caused them to commit their crimes in the first place.

    Perhaps, perhaps not.

    The real crime is that of the white male Americans releasing all those CFCs into the atmosphere.

    True.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Sep 28 16:37:00 2022
    Has he done it again? Soros does not maintain that what he did was not wrong; he maintains that the French law is vague enough to be confusing. The appeals court agreed that it was confusing, lowering the fine, but said that Soros' experience should have made him aware that it was wrong.

    But he has said what he did was not wrong, claiming that the takeover was public knowledge. He has claimed it was not insider trading. You are
    correct, the EU indeed said that he should have known it was wrong and that
    he did break insider trading laws. They may have lowered the fine due to alleged confusion, but they upheld the conviction.

    So, since he claims it was not wrong and that he didn't "do it," why would
    you trust that he wouldn't again just because he has not yet?

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong when
    taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mistake again given
    the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Sep 28 16:38:00 2022
    On 27 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    What are the Democrats helping us with lately?
    Infrastructure improvements and, to be honest, general stability.
    Stability? A world where Russia is threatening the US and NATO with nukes is stable? I don't remember them doing that in quite a while. This is probably the first time in a while that they've seen the US (or more specifically, their leader) as weak.

    Yeah, but at least we don't have an unpredictable madman at the helm.

    He was such an unpredicable madman that we got caught up in all sorts of
    wars and bombings and... oh, wait... no, all he did was send out mean
    tweets.

    This morning on the news they said that the US government is telling all Americans to leave Russia so they won't be conscripted, especially ones
    with dual citizenship.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Sep 28 16:15:00 2022
    He has invested in the misery of others for sure. When he broke the Bank >MP> of England, he gave reasons that he thought it was justified -- that the >MP> BoE needed to be taught a lesson. Never mind any of the citizens of the >MP> UK and elsewhere whose wellbeing depended on the value of the Pound not >MP> dropping like a rock.

    Sure, but "technically" he's a great guy ;)

    Yes, because he gives his profits to the right causes, i.e. campaigns to
    defeat Republicans.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wed Sep 28 16:20:00 2022
    However, said conservative Cuban American exiles appear to have made no effort to buy the stations themselves. They just sort of insist that any new buyer(s) shouldn't change "their" stations.

    Did they know it was for sale? Your average citizen likely does not know
    their local TV or radio station is for sale until after it happens.

    I've read about the releasees. Apparently they are being tracked as they head for the US. If they're being tracked, they can be identified.

    Did your source say how they are being tracked?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Sep 28 16:26:00 2022
    "Among the crimes Bragg said his office would not prosecute: marijuana misdemeanors, including selling more than three ounces; not paying public transportation fare; trespassing except a fourth degree stalking charge, resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration in certain cases, and prostitution." (CNN)

    Some of those are more troubling than others, especially:

    resisting arrest, obstructing governmental administration in certain cases,

    I wonder which certain cases those would be?

    https://amac.us/why-is-a-soros-backed-conglomerate-snatching-up-latino-media-st
    tions/

    What was the reason they came up with?

    Whatever name the business is operating under, it's affiliated with George Soros. It would be like having Lara Trump purchase MSNBC and then saying "It's
    not Donald Trump, it's Lara Trump, so it's all good."

    I would not expect a radio network that Soros invested in to be one that
    would maintain any conservative news programs or personalities, even if
    they are local and Latino, that is for sure.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 28 19:58:57 2022
    On 28 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Has he done it again? Soros does not maintain that what he did was not w he maintains that the French law is vague enough to be confusing. The ap court agreed that it was confusing, lowering the fine, but said that Sor experience should have made him aware that it was wrong.
    But he has said what he did was not wrong, claiming that the takeover was public knowledge. He has claimed it was not insider trading. You are correct, the EU indeed said that he should have known it was wrong and that he did break insider trading laws. They may have lowered the fine due to alleged confusion, but they upheld the conviction.

    True. And, according to the law, he paid his fine and went on with his life. Rather like a speeding ticket.

    So, since he claims it was not wrong and that he didn't "do it," why
    would you trust that he wouldn't again just because he has not yet?

    Why would you assume that he would do it again when he hasn't?

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong when taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mistake again
    given the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.

    Trump's a whole different story. I wouldn't trust him on any number of things.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 28 20:08:32 2022
    On 28 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Yeah, but at least we don't have an unpredictable madman at the helm.
    He was such an unpredicable madman that we got caught up in all sorts of wars and bombings and... oh, wait... no, all he did was send out mean tweets.

    We are in less wars now than we were in under Trump.

    Trump wanted the US to leave NATO, which Putin felt was certainly worthwhile reason to delay an invasion of Ukraine. And do you remember Trump's "perfect" phone call, in which he tried to get Ukraine to find dirt on Biden in return for actually receiving the *military aid* they'd been promised? Why would Ukraine have needed military aid under Trump?

    This morning on the news they said that the US government is telling all Americans to leave Russia so they won't be conscripted, especially ones with dual citizenship.

    Wise advice. I wonder how Aaron would feel about refugees showing up at our border begging for asylum because their government is trying to make them
    fight in a war they don't want any part of? And how would that contrast with our own Vietnam-era "draft dodgers?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Sep 28 20:12:31 2022
    On 28 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    However, said conservative Cuban American exiles appear to have made no effort to buy the stations themselves. They just sort of insist that any buyer(s) shouldn't change "their" stations.

    Somehow the Latino Media Network found out that they were for sale.

    I've read about the releasees. Apparently they are being tracked as they for the US. If they're being tracked, they can be identified.
    Did your source say how they are being tracked?

    No, but I assume it's by satellite, since they're monitoring them moving between countries.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 29 16:22:55 2022
    On 29 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    So, since he claims it was not wrong and that he didn't "do it," wh would you trust that he wouldn't again just because he has not yet?
    Why would you assume that he would do it again when he hasn't?
    People who maintain that they did nothing wrong, when they clearly did, have not learned their lesson. Only a naive person would trust that they'd never do it again, especially if they can profit from it.

    If I got a ticket for speeding, but maintained that the traffic signs were confusing, and the court acknowledged that the signs were confusing but said that I was still speeding, and so reduced my fine, I might still claim that I was not speeding but after that experience might be more cautious about my speed in the future.

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mistake agai given the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.
    Trump's a whole different story. I wouldn't trust him on any number of things.
    What this boils down to is that you trust people because you like their politics and don't trust others because you don't.

    No, it boils down to intent.

    Why would YOU assume that Trump would do it again when he hasn't? I
    know why I would assume it... because he won't admit he did something wrong when he did it the first time.

    Because he *did* do it again. It took multiple judicial actions to get all of the documents from him, if that was indeed all.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thu Sep 29 16:26:26 2022
    On 29 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Somehow the Latino Media Network found out that they were for sale.
    People in radio would have ways to find out. Unless you are in the business, you probably don't know they are for sale unless that fact somehow makes the local news.

    The Latino Media Network was not in radio prior to the proposed sale. They wanted to be, found some radio stations for sale, and are well on their way
    to being in radio.

    I've read about the releasees. Apparently they are being tracked the
    for the US. If they're being tracked, they can be identified.
    Did your source say how they are being tracked?
    No, but I assume it's by satellite, since they're monitoring them moving between countries.
    How do you know who you are monitoring if they are not tagged somehow?

    Apparently they've been tracking them since they left Venezuela. My guess is that they're traveling as a group.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 29 16:09:00 2022
    So, since he claims it was not wrong and that he didn't "do it," why would you trust that he wouldn't again just because he has not yet?

    Why would you assume that he would do it again when he hasn't?

    People who maintain that they did nothing wrong, when they clearly did,
    have not learned their lesson. Only a naive person would trust that they'd never do it again, especially if they can profit from it.

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong when taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mistake again given the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.

    Trump's a whole different story. I wouldn't trust him on any number of things.

    What this boils down to is that you trust people because you like their politics and don't trust others because you don't.

    Why would YOU assume that Trump would do it again when he hasn't? I know why
    I would assume it... because he won't admit he did something wrong when he
    did it the first time.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thu Sep 29 16:10:00 2022
    However, said conservative Cuban American exiles appear to have made no
    effort to buy the stations themselves. They just sort of insist that an
    buyer(s) shouldn't change "their" stations.

    Somehow the Latino Media Network found out that they were for sale.

    People in radio would have ways to find out. Unless you are in the
    business, you probably don't know they are for sale unless that fact
    somehow makes the local news.

    I've read about the releasees. Apparently they are being tracked as the
    for the US. If they're being tracked, they can be identified.
    Did your source say how they are being tracked?

    No, but I assume it's by satellite, since they're monitoring them moving between countries.

    How do you know who you are monitoring if they are not tagged somehow?


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 30 05:17:49 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    [..]

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong when
    taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mistake again
    given the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.

    Trump's a whole different story. I wouldn't trust him on any number of things.

    Trump buried his ex-wife. On hole number one at his golf course in
    New Jersey. It got him a tax break, allowing him to claim the property
    as agricultural land.

    So yes. Trump can be trusted. As long as it benefits Trump.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Sep 30 05:17:55 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    [..]

    This morning on the news they said that the US government is MP>telling
    all Americans to leave Russia so they won't be conscripted, MP>especially ones with dual citizenship.

    Wise advice.

    I do not believe Edward Snowden will heed that advice.

    I wonder how Aaron would feel about refugees showing up at our border begging for asylum because their government is trying to make them
    fight in a war they don't want any part of?

    Several countries in Europe have closed their borders to Russian
    tourists. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Poland have all banned
    Russian tourists, and Finland is also bound to do the same. And
    so will Italy, with its newly elected fascist government.

    Too many of them have already made it there, with millions more
    wanting to get in. Now it appears the only way out is Georgia. For
    now.

    The prime minister of Lithuania explained it was "not the duty of
    other countries to save Russians fleeing mobilisation." This is the
    same view as most other countries around the world, not just those
    in Europe.

    If Russians have nowhere else to go, they become cannon fodder
    for Putin's war. Although conscripts are supposed to be limited
    to men aged 18 to 30 years old, the reality is everybody with
    a pulse (except women) are to be the New Russian Army.

    And how would that contrast with our own Vietnam-era "draft dodgers?"

    President Jimmy Carter forgave them, allowing them to come back home.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Fri Sep 30 06:43:43 2022
    So, since he claims it was not wrong and that he didn't "do it," why
    would you trust that he wouldn't again just because he has not yet?

    Why would you assume that he would do it again when he hasn't?

    People who maintain that they did nothing wrong, when they clearly did, have not learned their lesson. Only a naive person would trust that they'd
    never do it again, especially if they can profit from it.

    Is that so? Does that mean Donald Trump is a murderer, even if he
    claims he never committed such a criminal act?

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong
    when taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mistake
    again given the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.

    Nobody has been charged in regards to the documents issue.

    Trump's a whole different story. I wouldn't trust him on any number JT>of
    things.

    What this boils down to is that you trust people because you like their politics and don't trust others because you don't.

    That is an assumption not supported or substantiated.
    But it might be true of Mike Powell.

    Why would YOU assume that Trump would do it again when he hasn't?

    Trump publicly stated he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and
    get away with it. Many people believe he would.

    I know why I would assume it...

    Yes, you do.

    because he won't admit he did something wrong when he did it the first time.

    So, in Mike Powell's little world, Donald Trump actually did shoot
    someone on Fifth Avenue and got away with it.

    Very interesting ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Sep 30 16:16:00 2022
    On 29 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    So, since he claims it was not wrong and that he didn't "do it," w
    would you trust that he wouldn't again just because he has not yet
    Why would you assume that he would do it again when he hasn't?
    People who maintain that they did nothing wrong, when they clearly did, have not learned their lesson. Only a naive person would trust that they'd never do it again, especially if they can profit from it.

    If I got a ticket for speeding, but maintained that the traffic signs were confusing, and the court acknowledged that the signs were confusing but said that I was still speeding, and so reduced my fine, I might still claim that I was not speeding but after that experience might be more cautious about my speed in the future.

    But you were speeding, and ignorance of the law is no defense. That is one
    of the first things they teach you before you get your license.

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong
    taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mistake aga
    given the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.
    Trump's a whole different story. I wouldn't trust him on any number of things.
    What this boils down to is that you trust people because you like their politics and don't trust others because you don't.

    No, it boils down to intent.

    Soros intended to make money and apparently didn't care if he was breaking
    the law in order to do so. He still believes he didn't break the law.

    He has also stated his intent about the time he became known as the guy
    who "broke the Bank of England." Do you think that intent is OK even
    though it had consequences for people that were not involved in overstating
    the worth of the British Pound? You know, like the everyday British
    citizen?

    Why would YOU assume that Trump would do it again when he hasn't? I know why I would assume it... because he won't admit he did something wrong when he did it the first time.

    Because he *did* do it again. It took multiple judicial actions to get all of the documents from him, if that was indeed all.

    He has taken additional documents since this became public? That is news
    to me. I bet it would be news to Archives and the FBI, too... you'd best report it.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Fri Sep 30 16:17:00 2022
    Did your source say how they are being tracked?
    No, but I assume it's by satellite, since they're monitoring them movin
    between countries.
    How do you know who you are monitoring if they are not tagged somehow?

    Apparently they've been tracking them since they left Venezuela. My guess is that they're traveling as a group.

    My point being that they are going to be difficult to keep track of, and differentiate from other migrants, if they don't have tracking devices (or implanted agents) among them. There is probably nothing to force them to
    stay together.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 30 16:50:11 2022
    On 30 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Why would you assume that he would do it again when he hasn't?
    People who maintain that they did nothing wrong, when they clearly have not learned their lesson. Only a naive person would trust tha they'd never do it again, especially if they can profit from it.
    If I got a ticket for speeding, but maintained that the traffic signs we confusing, and the court acknowledged that the signs were confusing but that I was still speeding, and so reduced my fine, I might still claim t was not speeding but after that experience might be more cautious about speed in the future.
    But you were speeding, and ignorance of the law is no defense. That is one of the first things they teach you before you get your license.

    That is true. I could acknowledge the citation while still maintaining my innocence, just as the court could acknowledge the confusion caused by the signs while still maintaining my guilt. Technically I'm guilty, yeah, but I
    can still say it wasn't right.

    I would not trust that Trump, who says he didn't do anything wrong
    taking documents, would not eventually repeat the same mista aga
    given the chance.... and he has not even been convicted yet.
    Trump's a whole different story. I wouldn't trust him on any numb things.
    What this boils down to is that you trust people because you like t politics and don't trust others because you don't.
    No, it boils down to intent.
    Soros intended to make money and apparently didn't care if he was
    breaking the law in order to do so. He still believes he didn't break
    the law.

    He still believes the vagueness of the law made it difficult to tell if he
    was breaking the law or not. He paid his fine. He can acknowledge the
    citation while still maintaining his innocence, just as the court can acknowledge the vagueness of the law while still maintaining his guilt. Technically he's guilty, yeah, but he can still say it wasn't right.

    He has also stated his intent about the time he became known as the guy who "broke the Bank of England." Do you think that intent is OK even though it had consequences for people that were not involved in overstating the worth of the British Pound? You know, like the everyday British citizen?

    The guilty party there seems to be the ones who were involved in overstating the worth of the British pound. Trading is trading.

    Why would YOU assume that Trump would do it again when he hasn't? know why I would assume it... because he won't admit he did somethi wrong when he did it the first time.
    Because he *did* do it again. It took multiple judicial actions to get a the documents from him, if that was indeed all.
    He has taken additional documents since this became public? That is news to me. I bet it would be news to Archives and the FBI, too... you'd best report it.

    No, but he has said that he returned all of the documents when he didn't.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 30 16:51:25 2022
    On 30 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    How do you know who you are monitoring if they are not tagged someh
    Apparently they've been tracking them since they left Venezuela. My gues that they're traveling as a group.
    My point being that they are going to be difficult to keep track of, and differentiate from other migrants, if they don't have tracking devices
    (or implanted agents) among them. There is probably nothing to force
    them to stay together.

    Perhaps, perhaps not. That's not my job. I just read a news article that said they were being tracked. If they weren't being tracked, how would we even
    know that they're heading our way?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Fri Sep 30 21:41:46 2022
    Apparently they've been tracking them since they left Venezuela. My gues that they're traveling as a group.

    My point being that they are going to be difficult to keep track of, and differentiate from other migrants, if they don't have tracking devices
    (or implanted agents) among them. There is probably nothing to force
    them to stay together.

    If our government is tracking them, just because they have criminal records
    and they're on their way here, wouldn't that be discriminatory?

    If we make a phonecall to Venezuela and ask them "are they wanted by police in Venezuela?" and their answer is "No" then wouldn't that be a major plus for their asylum request? I don't expect them to enter the illegal route, because they don't seem like the kind of guys who have money for that. Asylum would be right up their alley.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Rebecca Marie on Sun Oct 2 08:38:16 2022
    On 09 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    Trump's biggest voting bloc in 2016 were people who did not trust Hilla Clinton. When someone says the same thing over and over for 30 years, i eventually becomes part of the public consciousness. Leaders of the

    In my case, it has nothing to do with what others said. It would be the things that Hillary said, did, and took credit for during those 3 years that let me know she cannot be trusted.

    If you weren't within earshot of what Hillary said, or an eyewitness to what Hillary "did", then you are definitely listening to what others
    said. My guess is that you heard what Hllary "said, did and took credit for" straight from conservative-leaning media. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News?

    If you paid attention to other Democrats during the 2008 and 2016 primaries, you would know that it is not only Republican party leader

    People get nasty during primaries. I will say one thing about the Republican party - at least, the Republican Party when Ronald Reagan was the leader - the Eleventh Commandment helped tone down the rhetoric
    during primaries, something that Democratic candidates simply don't understand.

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not trustworthy.

    That is not a fact, that is an opinion. If you can find facts that back
    up your opinion, then you'd have more credibility.
    Who are YOU to say who has credibility? Specially when your a squatter with the Democratic party?
    Which has brought record inflation - food prices are ridiculous and are continuing to rise.
    Joe Biden is a cognitive mess. Kamala's word salad is just embarrassing.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Rebecca Marie on Sun Oct 2 08:42:18 2022
    On 09 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

    Jeff Thiele wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.

    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.

    Wow! I think it's pretty amazing that you turned my short post into an opportunity to slag others. Bravo!


    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted Engli and capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal

    I don't know why, but that made me giggle!

    Something tells me that neither of you will be giggling soon.

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