• Re: Question for Fox New

    From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jun 12 18:17:19 2022
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Not exactly. Trump claims that he offered to deploy the National Guar and made this offer to Pelosi. The Speaker of the House is not in cha of security, so even if this offer was made, that was not her job. Sh in no way "didn't allow" the National Guard to be deployed, because t is also not her job, and outside of her authority.
    I read that the Sergeant at Arms (who answers to Pelosi) rejected the request which was made by the police chief. That conflicts with what you're saying. Unless both are true, and both requests were denied.

    Whichever is true, it was not Pelosi's decision to make, which makes your previous statement a lie.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sun Jun 12 23:31:20 2022
    Are you sure now is a convenient time for your people to be trying to prevent presidents from abusing their power?

    Presidents should never abuse their powers. Do you have specific allegations of Biden abusing his power, as you seem to be implying?

    Yea, here are a few cases of it:

    1) Biden border crisis, Biden crime crisis, Biden D.A. crisis
    2) Biden threatening to hold aid from Ukraine unless they fire the prosecutor 3) Reducing police power during a crime crisis
    4) Biden lying about his son's foreign business endeavors

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jun 12 19:42:22 2022
    On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Are you sure now is a convenient time for your people to be tryi prevent presidents from abusing their power?
    Presidents should never abuse their powers. Do you have specific allegations of Biden abusing his power, as you seem to be implying?
    Yea, here are a few cases of it:
    1) Biden border crisis, Biden crime crisis, Biden D.A. crisis
    2) Biden threatening to hold aid from Ukraine unless they fire the prosecutor 3) Reducing police power during a crime crisis
    4) Biden lying about his son's foreign business endeavors

    What specific abuses of power are you impyling? Simply stating "this crisis"
    or "that crisis" is not evidence of an abuse of power.

    Not everything that Biden does that you don't like is an abuse of power.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Mon Jun 13 00:12:04 2022
    I read that the Sergeant at Arms (who answers to Pelosi) rejected the request which was made by the police chief. That conflicts with what you're saying. Unless both are true, and both requests were denied.

    Whichever is true, it was not Pelosi's decision to make, which makes your previous statement a lie.

    It wasn't a lie, I guess I was wrong, but I don't lie to win arguments.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Jun 12 21:33:26 2022
    On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I read that the Sergeant at Arms (who answers to Pelosi) rejecte request which was made by the police chief. That conflicts with you're saying. Unless both are true, and both requests were deni
    Whichever is true, it was not Pelosi's decision to make, which makes previous statement a lie.
    It wasn't a lie, I guess I was wrong, but I don't lie to win arguments.

    It was a lie, because had you made the least bit of effort to validate it,
    you would know that it is false.

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Mon Jun 13 00:46:04 2022
    On 06-12-22 10:46, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question for Fox New <=-

    Like I told Aaron, I have no need to watch the circus. I already

    You might learn something if you did. More is coming out than has been previously reported.

    believe that the ones who committed crimes (breaking and entering, assault, theft, vandalism) should be punished. Those who were there,
    were let in, and did not do anything should not.

    All of the above are criminal offenses. The second group are milder,
    and those who have been arrested have often been let off with probation.
    What you left out of the first group is the primary purpose of some,
    namely to interupt or prevent the counting of the electoral votes in the
    hopes of somehow letting Trump get away with a successful coup.

    Other speakers were clearly inciting trouble and should also get in trouble.

    I agree, and that group includes Trump. The more recent charges are
    against two white nationalist groups -- the proud boys and the
    oathkeepers. They have been charged with seditious conspiracy. There
    is evidence that they had previously planned their part in the event and
    led others in a quasi-military type attack on the capital and members of Congress.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jun 13 01:01:06 2022
    On 06-12-22 15:18, Aaron Thomas <=-
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    Did she? That is the first I have heard that she did that. Can you
    give me a reference to read?

    https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready- to-deploy-national- uard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald

    Thanks. I have read that.

    I don't know anything for a fact, except that this news report
    indicates that the former capitol police chief made a request to the
    house and senate Sergeant at Arms (both of which report to
    Pelosi/McConnel respectively) to deploy the national guard for the
    planned January 6 event, but the former police chief said that his
    request was denied.

    Denied because they did not have the authority to do deploy the Guard.
    Not clear that Pelosi/McConnel were consulted. If they were, they
    should have made it clear who had the authority (Trump) and so should
    the reporter who gave that report.

    I like to blame Pelosi for things, but blame can also be put Irving & Stenger (Sergeants at arms.) But Pelosi had no problem with deploying
    the national guard in the days that followed, for narrative purposes.

    Be careful when you blame someone that you have the evidence to back up
    your claim. In this case, you do not have such evidence.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jun 13 01:07:08 2022
    On 06-12-22 15:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
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    Illegal weapons coming into the USA do not travel via the same routes
    that immigrants (legal or illegal) do. Neither do drugs. As to lawful

    Then why are border patrol agents recovering record quantitites of fentanyl?

    I don't know. Where did they recover that fentanyl? Was is from
    immigrants crossing the river (unlikely) or from the sixteen wheelers
    crossing at a highway border crossing (likely) or from tunnels (also
    likely)?

    Biden told you that "white people are the biggest threat to
    homeland security," so armed with that advice, if
    you shoot a bunch o
    white people, you can just say "I did it because Biden misled me.."

    Prove that Biden said that. You seem to be equating his statement of "white nationalists" to be the same as "white people". It definitely is not the same.

    I mistyped that Biden quote. But the point is that it's wrong to blame Trump for the attack just because he got people riled up.

    He and his staff and cohorts did much more than just getting people
    riled up. It was a carefully orchestrated plan with many players.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jun 13 01:41:16 2022
    On 06-12-22 03:12, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Question for Fox News <=-

    My point of that is that there are already laws against heroin
    possession, but people possess it anyway, and they'll do the same with assault weapons if that's what they're into.

    A big difference is that those who get and use heroin hurt themselves
    but those who get and use assault weapons hurt multiple others.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jun 13 02:15:26 2022
    On 06-12-22 17:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Question for Fox News <=-


    The point is that Trump abused his power, acted illegally, and tried to destroy the USA's democracy. We need to find out exactly what happened so that we can prevent it from happening again.

    What is still unknown about what happened?

    Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of the
    Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss plans
    for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jun 13 16:41:28 2022
    Then why are border patrol agents recovering record quantitites of fentanyl?

    I don't know. Where did they recover that fentanyl? Was is from immigrants crossing the river (unlikely) or from the sixteen wheelers crossing at a highway border crossing (likely) or from tunnels (also likely)?

    There have been a few articles here and there about migrants carrying fentanyl, but you're right that most of the reports are about fentanyl being recovered
    at the port of entries.

    But the role that the migrants inadvertantly play in it is that they're a distraction and busywork for border patrol. While asylum seekers are flocking to the Texas border, the people who are unfit for legal entry are running accross the Arizona border.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jun 13 16:49:14 2022
    What is still unknown about what happened?

    Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss plans for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?

    I didn't know that. And I can see how that story sorta backs up Biden's "biggest threat" narrative. But what good does it do? More arrests to come?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Jun 13 13:26:18 2022
    On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    What is still unknown about what happened?
    Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss pl for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?
    I didn't know that. And I can see how that story sorta backs up Biden's "biggest threat" narrative. But what good does it do? More arrests to come?

    One can only hope so. A majority of the second hearing focused on the sheer number of times that Trump was told by members of his administration, members of his campaign, lawyers, and judges that his claims of election fraud were baseless. And yet he continued making the claims anyway, fundraising
    hundrends of millions of dollars off of them in the process.

    They then presented footage of insurrection participants on 1/6, freely
    telling the world why they were there. And the reason they said they were
    there was because they thought that the election had been stolen.

    Because Trump told them that, over and over.

    Even though he had been told that it was a baseless allegation.

    And all that fundraising that he claimed was for his "election defense fund?" None of it was used for that purpose. Trump could have called for a recount
    in the battleground states; he'd certainly received enough money in donations to pay for it. But Trump did not request a single recount.

    Because that would expose the lie.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Jun 13 16:14:00 2022
    The media calls them "Trump supporters," and Jeff calls them "conservatives." I think their angle is to maintain the alienation of conservatives. "You guys did this!" and "If you continue to vote Republican then it means that you wanted those people to get hurt on January 6!"

    That would be a good example of black-and-white thinking on their part, but
    I have seen similar applied here before when it comes to Republicans.

    Trump could do us all a huge favor by running for congress, but he's too full of himself to do that. Everyone just wants to be president.

    Not everyone does, but he does I am sure. After being President, he would probably see congress as a step down.

    For a while, Candace Owens was talking about launching a presidential campaign
    but she too needs to get off her high horse. I wrote to her and told her something like "Candace, our state (NY) is being destroyed by Democrats and no GOP candidate is even running for assembly in like 30 districts. Do us a favor and run for state assembly so you can help fix our state!" She'd totally
    win if she ran, but no, it's president or nothing.

    Then again, for celebrities and people who think they are, you are probably right... it is probably President or nothing. :)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Jun 13 16:17:00 2022
    George Soros is the leader of a large population of leftists, and he sa
    that
    he wants criminals to be out of jail, but it would be a stretch for me declare that Georgie is the cause of the current crime crisis that we'r
    dealing with.

    Do you have some context here? I would guess he did not mean all of them.

    George Soros is trying to overhaul our justice system by financing the campaigns of Democrat progressive DAs who are minimizing prosecutions accross the country.

    Ok, now I see where the jump to "wants all criminals out of jail" comes
    from. If Soros is really financing these campaigns, then it does sound like
    he is not from the "hard on crime" line of thinking. I have read
    somewhere, other than here, that he does put money into progressive DA's campaigns but I don't remember where so I cannot say now how credible I
    believe it to be.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Mon Jun 13 16:21:00 2022
    believe that the ones who committed crimes (breaking and entering, assault, theft, vandalism) should be punished. Those who were there, were let in, and did not do anything should not.

    All of the above are criminal offenses. The second group are milder,
    and those who have been arrested have often been let off with probation.
    What you left out of the first group is the primary purpose of some,
    namely to interupt or prevent the counting of the electoral votes in the hopes of somehow letting Trump get away with a successful coup.

    If they can prove that they were attempting to disrupt the count of
    electoral votes, those that they can prove that of should also be punished.

    The ones that were let in by the guards (not by those who had already
    broken in)... I honestly cannot see that alone as being a reason they
    should be in trouble. If they did anything mentioned above after being let
    in, that is another matter that they should be punished for.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Jun 13 16:28:00 2022
    First of all, the January 6 committee does not have the power to put Trump in jail. Secondly, it's not a distraction; most people can deal with multiple things at the same time. Thirdly, Biden is not on the ballot in November.

    What's the point then? What are they trying to get out of this? Biden's not on
    the ballot, but a lot of idiots who've supported him are, like Chuck Schumer. Voters should be consciencious of whether or not they're voting for a Biden (destroyer of the USA) supporter or not.

    As with every midterm, the sitting President (and the policies of his administration) are indirectly on the ballot. Midterms can change a President's term. Bill Clinton was on his way to being a single-term
    President until the Republicans cleaned up during his first midterm.

    I'm not jumping to disarmament, but the House is.

    No, they're not.

    Ok, let's call it something else then, like "slight disarmament."

    My understanding is that, in New York, some of your 2A rights or, at least,
    how you exercise them, may soon change.

    My point of that is that there are already laws against heroin possession, but
    people possess it anyway, and they'll do the same with assault weapons if that's what they're into.

    Yes.

    Thanks for that confirmation! The leftists want to fix the opinions that people have about the 2020 election. They want to broadcast it on the mega screen in Times Square that "Trump was wrong about the 2020 election!" Like anyone really cares?

    The biggest reason Trump lost in 2020 was the same biggest reason that
    Hilary lost in 2016... they both preached too much to their own choir.
    Hilary did not visit a lot of place and mostly preached to the large urban areas (and called people in other areas names). Trump preached to his base
    and did not account much at all for those in "the center" that voted for
    him in 2016.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Mon Jun 13 16:16:35 2022
    On 13 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The media calls them "Trump supporters," and Jeff calls them "conservati I think their angle is to maintain the alienation of conservatives. "You did this!" and "If you continue to vote Republican then it means that yo wanted those people to get hurt on January 6!"
    That would be a good example of black-and-white thinking on their part, but I have seen similar applied here before when it comes to Republicans.

    The Republican Party and those who vote for them are almost exclusively conservatives. Conservatives who do not vote still share common values by virtue of their conservative ideology.

    Republicans, as a group, choose who their political candidates are going to
    be. Yes, sometimes Democrats vote in Republican primaries in order to
    influence the outcome, but the presidential nominee is chosen by delegates rather than voters, which enables them to ensure that they retain control
    over the process.

    Republicans chose Trump.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Tue Jun 14 06:14:10 2022
    [..]

    If they can prove that they were attempting to disrupt the count MP>of
    electoral votes, those that they can prove that of should also MP>be punished.

    When was Donald J. Trump punished for what he attempted to do?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jun 14 00:43:02 2022
    On 06-13-22 16:49, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question for Fox New <=-


    What is still unknown about what happened?

    Only last week, I learned something new. Namely that the leaders of the Proud Boys and the Oathkeepers met in a garage on Jan 5 to discuss plans for the 6th. Did you know that? and when did you know it?

    I didn't know that. And I can see how that story sorta backs up
    Biden's "biggest threat" narrative. But what good does it do? More
    arrests to come?

    Actually, many of both groups have been arrested on serious charges.

    The Jan 6 panel today (Monday) told me nothing I did not really already
    know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the election
    was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but
    making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election
    fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At
    least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not say
    where most of it went.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Jun 14 04:15:32 2022
    Then again, for celebrities and people who think they are, you are probably right... it is probably President or nothing. :)

    For Candace Owens, maybe she just thinks the state is a sinking ship that she doesn't want to waste time trying to save.

    But for Trump, had he not ruined his once impeccable reputation as president, he could have moved on and ran for congress in Florida, and that way he'd
    still be able to help all of America, just in a slightly smaller way.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Jun 14 04:22:22 2022
    Ok, now I see where the jump to "wants all criminals out of jail" comes from. If Soros is really financing these campaigns, then it does sound like he is not from the "hard on crime" line of thinking. I have read somewhere, other than here, that he does put money into progressive DA's campaigns but I don't remember where so I cannot say now how credible I believe it to be.

    I heard it too, from news sources. Maybe their messing with us; maybe George
    is actually a great guy, and maybe he's not aware that the gentlemen he's financing are letting everyone off the hook for crimes. After all, he helped finance Joe Biden and Barack Obama, and they're stand up guys, so we know that George has financed good people before too, right? ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Jun 14 04:27:42 2022
    As with every midterm, the sitting President (and the policies of his administration) are indirectly on the ballot. Midterms can change a President's term. Bill Clinton was on his way to being a single-term President until the Republicans cleaned up during his first midterm.

    I'm trying to comprehend this, because I was not paying attention back in
    those days. But Clinton was doing bad? And some midterm results led him to shape-up ahead of re-election?

    Or do I got that all wrong?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tue Jun 14 04:44:00 2022
    The biggest reason Trump lost in 2020 was the same biggest reason that Hilary lost in 2016... they both preached too much to their own choir. Hilary did not visit a lot of place and mostly preached to the large
    urban areas (and called people in other areas names). Trump preached to his base and did not account much at all for those in "the center" that voted for him in 2016.

    Yea, he missed a lot of opportunities to connect with Americans. Bush & Obama talked to us a lot through special broadcasts from the oval office. Can a president just do those whenever he wants? Or does he need to have friends in the media? Trump did not do many of them (if any?)

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jun 14 12:51:00 2022
    But for Trump, had he not ruined his once impeccable reputation as president,
    he could have moved on and ran for congress in Florida, and that way he'd still be able to help all of America, just in a slightly smaller way.

    It's really hard for someone, not affected by the extreme brainwashing in the USA, to understand that a single USAian cannot know how stupid and incompetent Trump was and still is.

    Person, woman, man, camera, TV. Just saying...



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jun 14 07:24:02 2022
    know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the election
    was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At
    least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not say where most of it went.

    Are any of those things illegal? What if the money went to attorney fees?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Jun 14 09:20:44 2022
    On 14 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the electio was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not where most of it went.
    Are any of those things illegal? What if the money went to attorney fees?

    Considering that the stated purpose of the funds raised, according to the emails and letters requesting them, was the "Official Election Defense Fund" and no "Official Election Defense Fund" ever existed, it was likely wire
    fraud, at the very least.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Jun 14 18:41:00 2022
    As with every midterm, the sitting President (and the policies of his administration) are indirectly on the ballot. Midterms can change a President's term. Bill Clinton was on his way to being a single-term President until the Republicans cleaned up during his first midterm.

    I'm trying to comprehend this, because I was not paying attention back in those days. But Clinton was doing bad? And some midterm results led him to shape-up ahead of re-election?

    Or do I got that all wrong?

    His ratings were not great. Every time he would say something middle-of-the-road in the press, before you knew it Hillary would be giving
    her own soundbyte and often contradicting him with a more left-leaning
    opinion. For example, she contradicted him often when it came to universal health care and what type and size of employers might be forced to provide
    it.

    After his first two years, the Republicans really did well in the midterms, taking both houses. After that, it seemed like Hillary didn't talk to the press as much any more, and the government seemed to get more done.

    Had that not happened, no, I don't think he'd have been re-elected for a
    second term.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Jun 14 18:27:00 2022
    The biggest reason Trump lost in 2020 was the same biggest reason that Hilary lost in 2016... they both preached too much to their own choir. Hilary did not visit a lot of place and mostly preached to the large urban areas (and called people in other areas names). Trump preached to his base and did not account much at all for those in "the center" that voted for him in 2016.

    Yea, he missed a lot of opportunities to connect with Americans. Bush & Obama talked to us a lot through special broadcasts from the oval office. Can a president just do those whenever he wants? Or does he need to have friends in the media? Trump did not do many of them (if any?)

    I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House
    announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date and
    time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Wed Jun 15 01:21:25 2022
    Hello Bj”rn,

    But for Trump, had he not ruined his once impeccable reputation as
    president, he could have moved on and ran for congress in Florida, AT>and
    that way he'd still be able to help all of America, just in a AT>slightly smaller way.

    It's really hard for someone, not affected by the extreme brainwashing in the USA, to understand that a single USAian cannot know how stupid and incompetent Trump was and still is.

    You don't understand. After all, you're a Swede. So I'll explain
    it to you. Or at least try to.

    Donald J. Trump, as POTUS, announced to the world that he is a
    "stable genius". You do realize what that means. Unlike other madmen,
    he is stable and will never fall off his rocker.

    And since he was elected President in a fair and square election,
    he is always and forevermore to be addressed as Mr. President.

    There is a reason why President Trump is not running for Congress.
    He is the President, and will always be known as the President. So
    why would he want to run for any lesser office? Certainly that would
    make no sense. And do remember, he is a stable genius. Not you.

    So here's the plan -

    After the mid-term elections, Republicans will control both houses
    of Congress. The first thing that will be done is the House will elect
    Donald J. Trump as Speaker. Then the House will get to the real order
    of business by impeaching Joe Biden. And Kamala Harris. Trial will
    then be held by the Senate, and both Biden and Harris will be removed
    from office. President Trump will then be sworn into office, and name
    Sarah Palin as his new Vice President, thus removing traitor Mike
    Pence.

    Both will be sworn into office, and Vice President Palin will announce
    she can see Russia from her new house.

    Person, woman, man, camera, TV. Just saying...

    Remember who the stable genius is ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wed Jun 15 00:40:19 2022
    His ratings were not great. Every time he would say something middle-of-the-road in the press, before you knew it Hillary would be giving her own soundbyte and often contradicting him with a more left-leaning opinion. For example, she contradicted him often when it came to universal health care and what type and size of employers might
    be forced to provide it.

    Wow, so it sounds like there was a time when Hillary inadvertantly helped America. She should put that on her resume.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wed Jun 15 00:43:26 2022
    I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date and time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.

    That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Jun 15 01:48:02 2022
    On 06-14-22 07:24, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Question for Fox New <=-


    know. They focused on the Trump group making claims that the election
    was stolen, that Trump knew that his fraud statements were false but making them anyway, and as a side comment how Trump used the election fraud story to dupe $250,000,000 out of those who believed him. At
    least some of that money went to various cronies -- but they did not say where most of it went.

    Are any of those things illegal? What if the money went to attorney
    fees?

    I can see payments to attorneys being legit, no matter how frivolous
    their court filings were found to be (e.g. Giovanni). But using that
    money as a slush fund for other things would not be.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wed Jun 15 01:13:48 2022
    On 15 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date an time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.
    That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of
    a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

    They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and apparently
    the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two terms, and Trump requested 26 of them in one term:

    * Sep. 9, 2020 On Judicial Appointments
    * June 1, 2020 On the protests and riots following the death of George Floyd
    * March 11, 2020 On the coronavirus pandemic
    * Feb. 6, 2020 On the acquittal of the impeachment vote
    * Jan. 8, 2020 On the assassination of Qassam Soleimani and subsequent Iranian attack on US bases in Iraq
    * Oct. 27, 2019 On the Killing of Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
    * Oct. 23, 2019 On the Turkish Invasion of Syria
    * August 5, 2019 On the mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton
    * Jan. 25, 2019 Announcing an end to the government shutdown
    * Jan. 19, 2019 Announcing a new immigration proposal to end the
    government shutdown
    * Jan. 8, 2019 On the Government Shutdown and the Proposed United States-Mexico Border wall
    * July 9, 2018 Nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the United States Supreme Court
    * May 8, 2018 Termination of the Iran Nuclear Deal
    * April 13, 2018 Allied Airstrikes on Damascus and Homs
    * Feb. 15, 2018 On the Stoneman Douglas High School Shooting
    * Dec. 18, 2017 On National Security
    * Dec. 6, 2017 Recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital and moving of US embassy
    * Nov. 15, 2017 On returning from a trip to Asia
    * Oct. 13, 2017 On United States Policy towards Iran
    * Oct. 2, 2017 On the Mandalay Bay Shooting
    * August 21, 2017 On the situation in Afghanistan
    * August 14, 2017 On the Charlottesville Race Riots
    * June 14, 2017 On the Congressional baseball shooting
    * June 1, 2017 Withdrawal of the United States from the Paris Climate Agreement
    * April 6, 2017 US Strike on Shayrat airfield
    * Jan. 31, 2017 Nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the United States Supreme Court

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Jun 15 17:41:00 2022
    His ratings were not great. Every time he would say something middle-of-the-road in the press, before you knew it Hillary would be giving her own soundbyte and often contradicting him with a more left-leaning opinion. For example, she contradicted him often when it came to universal health care and what type and size of employers might be forced to provide it.

    Wow, so it sounds like there was a time when Hillary inadvertantly helped America. She should put that on her resume.

    <GRIN>


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Jun 15 17:42:00 2022
    I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White House announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date and time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.

    That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

    He did do some, but probably not as many as Obama, Clinton, or anyone that
    came before them. Maybe I have missed most of them, but Biden has not done
    too many, either.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wed Jun 15 18:31:20 2022
    On 15 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White Hous announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a date time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.
    That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much of dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.
    He did do some,
    Trump did 26 in 4 years.

    but probably not as many as Obama,
    Obama did 20 in 8 years. <-- less than Trump's 26

    Clinton,
    Clinton did 19 in 8 years. <-- less than Trump's 26

    or anyone
    that came before them.
    It only takes one to make your statement false but for completeness, here we go:
    George W. Bush did 29, albeit in 8 years. <-- more than Trump's, less per term George H.W. Bush did 25 in 4 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
    Reagan did 40, albeit in 8 years. <-- more than Trump's, less per term
    Carter did 12 in 4 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
    Ford did 7 in ~3 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
    Nixon did 44 in ~5 years. <-- more than Trump's 26
    Johnson did 23 in ~5 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
    Kennedy did 17 in ~3 years. <-- less than Trump's 26
    Eisenhower did 32 in 8 years. <-- more than Trump's, less per term

    Maybe I have missed most of them, but Biden has
    not done too many, either.
    Biden has done 30 in ~2 years. <-- more than Trump's 26 in half the time

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_to_the_Nation

    Yeah, it's Wikipedia, but that page contains links to most of the speeches. Feel free to dispute it if you can prove that it's incorrect.

    Human memory is notoriously unreliable, especially as the time between since the remembered event increases.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Thu Jun 16 18:01:52 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    I am not 100% on how that works. I would guess that the White
    House
    announces that the President plans to address the Nation on a
    date an
    time, and then the networks decide if they are covering it.
    That's what I always thought too, until now. Trump can't be that much
    of
    a dummy that he just forgot to conduct those broadcasts.

    They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and apparently the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two terms, and Trump requested 26 of them in one term:

    The State of the Union is also an "Address to the Nation" - although
    it can be a written statement handed to the Congress by a president.
    As it is required by the US Constitution, every president has made
    at least one. Except maybe for Zachary Taylor, who did not last long
    enough in office to have done so.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    Not my president!

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jun 16 11:25:05 2022
    On 16 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and appar the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two terms Trump requested 26 of them in one term:
    The State of the Union is also an "Address to the Nation" - although
    it can be a written statement handed to the Congress by a president.
    As it is required by the US Constitution, every president has made
    at least one. Except maybe for Zachary Taylor, who did not last long enough in office to have done so.

    The SOTU is technically an address to Congress, as mandated by the Constitution, while Addresses to the Nation are addresses to the people of
    the United States. As such, they are not synonymous, and one is not a subset
    of the other. Addresses to the Nation are typically delivered from behind the Resolute Desk, although Obama used other locations in the White House as well.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Fri Jun 17 17:34:46 2022
    Hello Jeff,

    They are referred to officially as "Address to the Nation," and
    appar
    the President requests them. Obama requested 20 of the over two
    terms
    Trump requested 26 of them in one term:
    The State of the Union is also an "Address to the Nation" - although
    it can be a written statement handed to the Congress by a president.
    As it is required by the US Constitution, every president has made
    at least one. Except maybe for Zachary Taylor, who did not last long
    enough in office to have done so.

    The SOTU is technically an address to Congress, as mandated by the Constitution, while Addresses to the Nation are addresses to the people of the United States. As such, they are not synonymous, and one is not a subset
    of the other. Addresses to the Nation are typically delivered from behind the
    Resolute Desk, although Obama used other locations in the White House as well.

    Since the president did not always deliver the address, it does not
    count as an in-person address. It was known as The Address for most of
    our history, until Harry Truman changed it to the State of the Union.

    Since it is a message delivered to a joint session of Congress, it
    can be viewed as an address to the nation, as all members of Congress
    are elected public officials. But that might be playing semantics ...

    https://history.house.gov/Institution/SOTU/List/


    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    Lovin' beats hatin'.

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